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(Ecorazzi)   Anthony Bourdain finally admits to appreciating vegetarian cuisine, at least as made in Punjab. "If this is what vegetarianism meant in most of the places that practice it in the West, I'd be at least half as much less of a dick about the subject"   (ecorazzi.com) divider line 15
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2014-04-11 10:21:29 AM
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That's probably because Punjab cuisine doesn't rely on crap like soy bratwurst and meat-flavored veggie burgers. Here in the states, we make these veggie knockoffs of meat dishes, and they're rarely worth the trouble
2014-04-11 04:03:35 PM
1 votes:
Bourdain is a dick about vegetarians, not vegetarian food. Also, when you go to a region where religion dictates a vegetarian diet you will most likely find that the vegetarian food is better than elsewhere.
This is not a new story, or any new revelation by Bourdain. His dickishness toward vegetarians is a response to the dickishness of vegetarians toward non-vegetarians.
2014-04-11 02:21:28 PM
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Fallout Boy: South and east Asian cuisines know how to cook their vegetables. Too bad that's not the case in the west.


Ghee, Ghee, and some more Ghee for India.   Add lots of spices like mustard, cardamom, Peppers, fenugreek, and the so on.      Southern cooking is full of great vegetable dishes too.    Of course, down here, we hardly ever do vegan.   Always some pork added for flavor.   Leah Chase even adds it to her Gumbo Z'Herbes.   Personally, I have no issue with the killing of animals for food.   Some evidence exists that the best and most ecologically sound agricultural process is free roaming grazing animals used for dairy and meat.   Self fertilizing process that requires minimal or no irrigation or cultivation of the soil with carbon emitting equipment.

/No one in their right mind ever expects to wake up and smell the kale
//Tony would take issue with a meat and potatoes diet every bit as much as Vegan.
2014-04-11 12:40:31 PM
1 votes:

Stile4aly: He's made this point several times.  There's video of him at a Google event where he responds to a question by an Indian developer and says that he doesn't look down at vegetarian traditions around the world (In fact, he holds Indian cuisine in high esteem) or even at those who are vegetarian for moral reasons.  What annoys him are people who are trendy vegetarians.


i can go with that. My wife is south Indian and cooks lots of great vegetarian. The only meat she will use is egg or chicken, if I cut the chicken. She doesn't do it for moral or religious reasons, just for taste. Western vegetarian food seems ashamed of itself, with meat substitutes or else steamed asparagus on a plate. With Indian veggie dishes you don't even miss the meat because of the flavors and textures.
2014-04-11 12:21:32 PM
1 votes:
Meat has fat and muscle tissue, right?

Does egg have muscle tissue in it?  /rhetorical.

Eggs are not meat.

Feathers come from chickens too, but they're not meat...

Not going to weigh in on the dietary rules of vegetarians.  Eat what you want.  Call it what you want.

Just don't annoy me by being smug about your diet, whatever you call it, or I will be forced to mock you and be snarky.
2014-04-11 11:58:54 AM
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thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."


You'd have to be literally illiterate to think that vegetarians don't eat eggs.  VEGETARIAN DOES NOT EQUAL VEGAN.
2014-04-11 11:56:20 AM
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Superjew: DarkPascual: Have to say that I've had my share of great vegetarian dishes, but I could admit that there was a great deal of cheating in them, since they had either butter, eggs or cheese.

Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.


The vegan thing has really screwed things up for ordinary bog-standard vegetarians.  "Yes, lacto-ovo, it means milk and eggs.  NO!  People who eat fish are still eating animals and they're called pescetarians.  No your 'vegetarian' friend scarfing down the shrimp at the buffet is just a lying idiot.  No I don't give a crap what you eat; I'm having the fettucini."
2014-04-11 11:40:38 AM
1 votes:
He's made this point several times.  There's video of him at a Google event where he responds to a question by an Indian developer and says that he doesn't look down at vegetarian traditions around the world (In fact, he holds Indian cuisine in high esteem) or even at those who are vegetarian for moral reasons.  What annoys him are people who are trendy vegetarians.
2014-04-11 11:35:59 AM
1 votes:
For some reason many vegetarians seem to have forgotten that spices are vegetarian.
2014-04-11 11:17:42 AM
1 votes:
South East Asia is great for vegetarian food in general. I'll rarely touch tofu unless it was made by someone good at Szechuan cuisine.
2014-04-11 11:09:31 AM
1 votes:

emocomputerjock: Boca spicy "chicken" patties and Morningstar Farms sausage patties/black bean burgers are the only substitutes worth a damn. Everything else is unenjoyable.


I've always found my enjoyment of meat substitutes to be inversely proportional to how much they're trying to be meat-like. Garden burgers, for instance, are damn tasty. Not even a little bit like meat though.
2014-04-11 11:05:45 AM
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Vodka Zombie: That's probably because Punjab cuisine doesn't rely on crap like soy bratwurst and meat-flavored veggie burgers. Here in the states, we make these veggie knockoffs of meat dishes, and they're rarely worth the trouble


That. If you have the notion that every meal needs meat, and that meat needs to be replaced by something meat-like*, vegetarian food is gonna suck.

* - that's being excessively generous with some 'meatless-meat' products

Gig103: pizza and pasta. Good things, but they are lacking without meat.


If you just omit meat from what you'd normally make, yeah, I can see it. But there's a ton of stuff you can do with pizza and pasta where you won't even notice the lack of meat.
2014-04-11 11:01:06 AM
1 votes:
isn't his complaint more cultural than fundamental? i.e., meat is a luxury in the vast majority of the world, and tastes really damn good on top of that, so forgoing it for new age pseudo bullshiat reasons is stupid and doubly so when you make fake meats as a loophole.

he's always seemed to enjoy good vegetarian food when it is good food. doubly so when it's from a culture whose cuisine didn't grow up around meats
2014-04-11 10:57:23 AM
1 votes:
Pretty sure he'd still find a way to be a dick.
2014-04-11 10:19:40 AM
1 votes:
I only know a handful of vegetarians well enough to have eaten their food regularly. My limited exposure has taught me that I, an omnivore, like vegetables a lot more than they do. The vegetarians I know don't seem to actually like vegetables all that much. They pretty much just eat rice, pasta, and bread all the time, and their actual veggie intake is limited to a few basic ones. Lettuce, tomatoes, some beans, that's about it.

My theory is that some people are genetically inclined to enjoy food more than others. And the latter group is more represented among vegetarians, because it's easier to take a moral stand when it's less of a personal sacrifice to do it.
 
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