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(Ecorazzi)   Anthony Bourdain finally admits to appreciating vegetarian cuisine, at least as made in Punjab. "If this is what vegetarianism meant in most of the places that practice it in the West, I'd be at least half as much less of a dick about the subject"   (ecorazzi.com) divider line 141
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2014-04-11 02:21:28 PM  

Fallout Boy: South and east Asian cuisines know how to cook their vegetables. Too bad that's not the case in the west.


Ghee, Ghee, and some more Ghee for India.   Add lots of spices like mustard, cardamom, Peppers, fenugreek, and the so on.      Southern cooking is full of great vegetable dishes too.    Of course, down here, we hardly ever do vegan.   Always some pork added for flavor.   Leah Chase even adds it to her Gumbo Z'Herbes.   Personally, I have no issue with the killing of animals for food.   Some evidence exists that the best and most ecologically sound agricultural process is free roaming grazing animals used for dairy and meat.   Self fertilizing process that requires minimal or no irrigation or cultivation of the soil with carbon emitting equipment.

/No one in their right mind ever expects to wake up and smell the kale
//Tony would take issue with a meat and potatoes diet every bit as much as Vegan.
 
2014-04-11 02:21:43 PM  

thamike: Far Cough: NO, there's no distinction between vegetarian and lacto-ovo vegetarian.

That would be a distinction.  The distinction is right there. You typed the distinction.


[showbizgeek.com image 487x378]

"You don't like jam, you've never liked jam, you HATE jam."


Did you just throw a googly?
 
2014-04-11 02:34:13 PM  

thamike: Shopping at Safeway can get langoleirish.


So you've turned one of the worst movies in the world into one of the worst adjectives in the world?

And it sickens me that I know exactly what it means.

/At least the blind chick was hot.
 
2014-04-11 02:53:32 PM  
Dear Vegetarians,

Nobody give a rip about your food obsession. Please get over yourselves so we can still be friends.

Thanks,
Everyone you know.
 
2014-04-11 03:11:26 PM  

thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."


Then why are they called "hen fruit", smart guy?
 
2014-04-11 03:15:04 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Dear Vegetarians,

Nobody give a rip about your food obsession. Please get over yourselves so we can still be friends.

Thanks,
Everyone you know.


Vegetarians I can usually handle.  What really annoys me are people that are incapable of ordering off the menu.  I used to work with a woman who, no matter where you went, would describe to the waitress what she wanted custom built for her meal.  God that was annoying.
 
2014-04-11 03:28:12 PM  

thamike: Far Cough: He's confusing vegan with vegetarian, I guess, or claiming that any animal protein violates vegetarianism.  (Though he actually called eggs "meat" above!)

I'm not confusing anything with anything, as I've exhaustively pointed out.  You're the one who said "words mean things" in regards to people whose protein choice is fish.   You can call yourself a vegetarian and eat eggs all you want, i don't give a sh*t.

You just can't call an egg "100% vegetarian" and be correct.  That's usually why vegetarians who do eat eggs say things like, "I'm a vegetarian, but I do eat eggs."  Qualifiers mean things.


They usually say "I'm a vegetarian but I eat eggs" because most folks wouldn't know the term "lacto-ovo vegetarian".
 
2014-04-11 04:03:35 PM  
Bourdain is a dick about vegetarians, not vegetarian food. Also, when you go to a region where religion dictates a vegetarian diet you will most likely find that the vegetarian food is better than elsewhere.
This is not a new story, or any new revelation by Bourdain. His dickishness toward vegetarians is a response to the dickishness of vegetarians toward non-vegetarians.
 
2014-04-11 04:37:07 PM  

thamike: I tried that un-chicken stuff at Trader Joe's the other day, and I gotta admit, I was strangely impressed.


Until recently I didn't realize that the general tsos chicken at Whole Foods was actually vegan. That's some tasty shiat. I don't care if it's meat or not so long as it's tasty.
 
2014-04-11 05:14:04 PM  
This is a pretty dumb thing to have such a long argument about.
 
2014-04-11 05:19:13 PM  
Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....
 
2014-04-11 05:48:44 PM  

New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....


I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.
 
2014-04-11 05:50:22 PM  

moothemagiccow: Can we agree there's nothing wrong with being a vegetarian until you invite them to a restaurant? Individually customized diets make for shiatty lunch options.



CSB:

My worst double date was at a vegetarian restaurant.  My date's friend was a vegetarian, but the rest of us were not....so we HAD to go to a vegetarian restaurant.  The food was decent, but they didn't have any alcohol....just over-priced tea.

Oh, and her friend was a total chubette.
 
2014-04-11 05:54:26 PM  

theflatline: New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....

I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.


He forgets that all the good Canadian cooks came to Louisiana mid 18th century.
 
2014-04-11 05:55:33 PM  

The_Sponge: moothemagiccow: Can we agree there's nothing wrong with being a vegetarian until you invite them to a restaurant? Individually customized diets make for shiatty lunch options.


CSB:

My worst double date was at a vegetarian restaurant.  My date's friend was a vegetarian, but the rest of us were not....so we HAD to go to a vegetarian restaurant.  The food was decent, but they didn't have any alcohol....just over-priced tea.

Oh, and her friend was a total chubette.


Was the waiter's name Shiloh?

veggiefitness.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-11 05:56:14 PM  
Jeez, I was a vegetarian for around 5 years because I developed an oversensitivity to the smell of meat (too much like cadaver lab and rotting carcass). I was very healthy and I know how to cook. Lots of whole grains, dairy, eggs, lentils, eggs, good oils, etc. Hell, I only bake with actual butter. Had a healthy pregnancy during that time, with a healthy baby. Large baby. One of my favourite things was to just make a roux with whole milk and whole wheat flour with some fried onions and a lot of chickpeas over couscous.

The smell and taste sensitivity wore off quite a bit but I still won't eat hamburger meat that smells like an old dead body lying in the hot sun to me, no matter how much someone else swears they can't smell it's off.

The number of people I had assume I had quit eating meat because of I was a flakey sensitive bleeding heart was rather annoying at the time, considering the amount of gore and dead things I had to deal with growing up on a farm. Pulling rotten stillborn lambs out of ewes and drowning rats crippled by the traps and such was out of their sphere of experience. "Ooh, you feel bad for the widdle aminals?" "No, it smells like a dissection and shut up, you're fat."
 
2014-04-11 06:03:09 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: theflatline: New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....

I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.

He forgets that all the good Canadian cooks came to Louisiana mid 18th century.


But most forget that much of the cuisine in south Louisiana is italian and spanish,  much more than the French influence.
 
2014-04-11 06:18:25 PM  

mongbiohazard: thamike: I tried that un-chicken stuff at Trader Joe's the other day, and I gotta admit, I was strangely impressed.

Until recently I didn't realize that the general tsos chicken at Whole Foods was actually vegan. That's some tasty shiat. I don't care if it's meat or not so long as it's tasty.


Seriously, that stuff might just save the planet.  And Charlton Heston's out of the way, so we can go wild with it.
 
2014-04-11 07:39:53 PM  

theflatline: Uncontrolled_Jibe: theflatline: New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....

I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.

He forgets that all the good Canadian cooks came to Louisiana mid 18th century.

But most forget that much of the cuisine in south Louisiana is italian and spanish,  much more than the French influence.


Spanish, yes, Italian, not so much
 
2014-04-11 07:48:46 PM  
I won't touch Indian food with a 10 foot pole.

Worked one wedding where we stupidly allowed them to cook in our commercial kitchen.

I watched as two numbnuts not only dropped every single cooler of food, but they dumped out every single cooler of food.  Scraped it off the dirty concrete and laughingly threw it right back into the cooler.  Everything reeked of too much cinnamon and cardamom.  When the bride's mother offered to fix me a plate, I wisely declined.  Half-rotten chicken and everything else was drowned in putrid marinades.  That was 10+ years ago, and we have never allowed people to bring in their own food again.  It was a miracle that we didn't get caught with a random violation.  Never again.  I've never eaten Indian food since.  My stomach still turns.

Thai curry?  Sure, hell yeah.  Indian?  I'll go throw up over there, no thanks.
 
2014-04-11 07:49:24 PM  
Indian food is great. Best pure vege stuff on the planet. But there are lots of meatless dishes in every culture - is just that most other places don't refer to them as vegetarian.
 
2014-04-11 07:49:36 PM  

chitownmike: theflatline: Uncontrolled_Jibe: theflatline: New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....

I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.

He forgets that all the good Canadian cooks came to Louisiana mid 18th century.

But most forget that much of the cuisine in south Louisiana is italian and spanish,  much more than the French influence.

Spanish, yes, Italian, not so much


Sorry you do not know your Louisiana history...  Or American history for that matter.

You might want to read this.

http://ccet.louisiana.edu/tourism/cultural/The_People/italian-americ an .html

Or this.

http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/multicultural/multicultur al history/italian.html

My Sicilian family was there forever, and still is.

Plus one of the earliest recording Mafia families was in New Orleans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_crime_family

Sorry, but New York, Rhode Island, and Chicago does not have the lock on Italians... Which is why the Saia truck line, a Chicago family, moved the business to new orleans.
 
2014-04-11 07:56:35 PM  

theflatline: chitownmike: theflatline: Uncontrolled_Jibe: theflatline: New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....

I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.

He forgets that all the good Canadian cooks came to Louisiana mid 18th century.

But most forget that much of the cuisine in south Louisiana is italian and spanish,  much more than the French influence.

Spanish, yes, Italian, not so much

Sorry you do not know your Louisiana history...  Or American history for that matter.

You might want to read this.

http://ccet.louisiana.edu/tourism/cultural/The_People/italian-americ an .html

Or this.

http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/multicultural/multicultur al history/italian.html

My Sicilian family was there forever, and still is.

Plus one of the earliest recording Mafia families was in New Orleans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_crime_family

Sorry, but New York, Rhode Island, and Chicago does not have the lock on Italians... Which is why the Saia truck line, a Chicago family, moved the business to new orleans.


We were talking about food, the French and Spanish influences, along with Portuguese are much more apparent than the italian
 
2014-04-11 08:15:12 PM  

chitownmike: theflatline: chitownmike: theflatline: Uncontrolled_Jibe: theflatline: New Age Redneck: Hey Mr. Bourdian you should know this: North Americans in general don't have a f*cking clue how to cook, make nutritious meals or feed themselves properly.

   You need to get protein, complex carbohydrates, simple sugars, vitamins and minerals, and stay hydrated in relation to your level of physical activity. You can accomplish this with a vegan, L-O vegetarian or meat based diet.

  Off to have a veggie burger with bacon.....

I grew up in South Louisiana and I can outcook any Canadian.  There is good food in North America sorry you never had it.

He forgets that all the good Canadian cooks came to Louisiana mid 18th century.

But most forget that much of the cuisine in south Louisiana is italian and spanish,  much more than the French influence.

Spanish, yes, Italian, not so much

Sorry you do not know your Louisiana history...  Or American history for that matter.

You might want to read this.

http://ccet.louisiana.edu/tourism/cultural/The_People/italian-americ an .html

Or this.

http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/multicultural/multicultur al history/italian.html

My Sicilian family was there forever, and still is.

Plus one of the earliest recording Mafia families was in New Orleans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_crime_family

Sorry, but New York, Rhode Island, and Chicago does not have the lock on Italians... Which is why the Saia truck line, a Chicago family, moved the business to new orleans.

We were talking about food, the French and Spanish influences, along with Portuguese are much more apparent than the italian


You realize that Louisiana had one of the largest influx of Sicilians in the US.  The warehouse district in new orleans was a sicilian artichoke farm.

You really have no idea about the italian influence in louisiana do you. Especially in the food.

There was a tiny portion of Portuguese people in Louisiana, but not enough to make a drop in the bucket.

You might want to read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian-American_neighborhoods# Lo uisiana

New Orleans.   was the first site of immigration of Italians and into America in the 19th century, before was a unified nation-state. This was before and Baltimore became the preferred destinations for Italian immigrants.

As someone of Sicilian and Spanish ancestry, the itlalian influence is much more apparent than the spanish...
 
2014-04-11 08:22:46 PM  

MylesHeartVodak: Worked one wedding where we stupidly allowed them to cook in our commercial kitchen.


i once saw a cook drop a hamburger patty, make a joke about floor spice, and try to serve it

i never ate food again
 
2014-04-11 08:31:37 PM  

ChubbyTiger: Indian food is great. Best pure vege stuff on the planet. But there are lots of meatless dishes in every culture - is just that most other places don't refer to them as vegetarian.


like grits?
 
2014-04-11 09:01:11 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: My brother in law married a vegetarian.  Not a pure vegan, but she won't eat anything that involves a dead animal.  No meat, no fish, and I doubt she'd eat anything with red dye that comes from those beetles they crush up.  A few months ago I saw the first picture I'd seen of them in a few years and their health was clearly in the dumper.  Pale, astounding weight gains, it was sad to see.  Then I found out that neither of them really know how to cook.  They are basically living on starch (pasta, bread, etc), along with some vegetables and a bit of cheese.  That's not remotely a healthy diet.  If I thought it would do any good I'd buy them an Indian cookbook in a heartbeat. India has had a huge vegetarian population for generations and they have learned how to make non-meat dishes that not only keep you alive, but are also very healthy, AND they taste farking good.  As has been mentioned upthread by now I'm sure, Bourdain doesn't have an issue with veg per se,it's the people who do it for stupid reasons and who don't know how to do it right.


FFS, they don't even need a cookbook. Just go to a Indian grocery and buy them boxes of packets of awesome and a 10 pound bag of brown rice. Yeah home cooked is waaay better, but 2/$3 palak paneer with every single ingredient recognizable? Hell yes.
 
2014-04-11 09:08:32 PM  

stonelotus: ChubbyTiger: Indian food is great. Best pure vege stuff on the planet. But there are lots of meatless dishes in every culture - is just that most other places don't refer to them as vegetarian.

like grits?


Like Greek. My boss is veggie and studied Greek in college. Went over there and everyone told her she'd starve... Then they'd serve spinach pie and grape leaves or whatever.
 
2014-04-12 12:30:20 AM  

thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."


Eggs are more of an abortion debate.

I've been vegetarian for twenty years, but I eat eggs.
 
2014-04-12 12:39:34 AM  

thamike: mongbiohazard: thamike: I tried that un-chicken stuff at Trader Joe's the other day, and I gotta admit, I was strangely impressed.

Until recently I didn't realize that the general tsos chicken at Whole Foods was actually vegan. That's some tasty shiat. I don't care if it's meat or not so long as it's tasty.

Seriously, that stuff might just save the planet.  And Charlton Heston's out of the way, so we can go wild with it.


yep
 
2014-04-12 02:22:52 AM  

Transpogue: I gotta say, you need to hang around some vegetarians and vegans who have access to decent farmer's markets and know how to cook.

I agree that some people just like food more than others and are more inclined to cook good food, but I've found that trait equally shared between omnis and veggie folk.


The knowing how to cook and giving a shiat about what stuff tastes like it monumental.  In October of 2013, my FIL was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer (thank goodness he is still here) but my BIL decided to go mostly vegan, which is fine.  But his food tastes like shiat.  He decided to forego salt, oil, and mostly anything that has flavor.

My wife and I recently decided that smoothies as a breakfast food aren't a bad idea.  I do a cup of greek yogurt (not vegan, I know), a cup of orange juice, a banana, strawberries, blueberries, kale (curly and flat), spinach, and beet greens.  It tastes like the smoothies I used to make, only I put greens in them now.  My wife is allergic to whey, so I do water, banana, mixed berries, strawberries, soy protein, and greens for her.  Both of our smoothies taste good.  When my wife was talking to them about her brother, his Weeners was "I don't care about how they taste anymore".  I just can't imagine living a life where I don't care how something tastes.  If I am going to drink something every morning, I better at least enjoy it.

An even better example is brown rice.  I'll admit the first time that my wife (then my girlfriend) made it, it was awful.  We almost gave up on it, then I saw a Good Eats where Alton made it with broth and a pat of butter (or if you are a veggie, margarine) and said "45 minutes to cook it".  We made it like that, and I love brown rice now.  My brother in law does it with water and nothing else and probably undercooks it (like most folks do).  Again, can't imagine eating something that doesn't taste good.

My wife is also Catholic, so we go veggie on Fridays during lent and have made some good things.  Grilled veggie tacos (actually got that idea from Disneyland of all places) and I make a delicious marinara (adapted from "Essentials of Italian Cooking") that is flavorful without any meat.

There are wonderful veggie dishes out there.  The problem is that there are a whole bunch of veggies that think that food has to taste like crap for it to be healthy.
 
2014-04-12 07:34:32 AM  

theflatline: I get fresh eggs for free from a coworker because I gave her a 15 seedlings from my garden.


OH FARK YOU!


/buys them from the family down the road, they have a farm.
//only 15 seedlings? your coworker has a jones for you.
 
2014-04-12 07:39:06 AM  

theflatline: You realize that Louisiana had one of the largest influx of Sicilians in the US. The warehouse district in new orleans was a sicilian artichoke farm.

You really have no idea about the italian influence in louisiana do you. Especially in the food.


First you say Sicilian, then you say Italian.  WHICH ONE, man?!
 

/neighbor is from louisiana and is working the ropes to get his italian citizenship
//makes pasta sauce with a CUP of sugar (eech)
 
2014-04-12 09:36:25 AM  

mekkab: theflatline: You realize that Louisiana had one of the largest influx of Sicilians in the US. The warehouse district in new orleans was a sicilian artichoke farm.

You really have no idea about the italian influence in louisiana do you. Especially in the food.

First you say Sicilian, then you say Italian.  WHICH ONE, man?!


/neighbor is from louisiana and is working the ropes to get his italian citizenship
//makes pasta sauce with a CUP of sugar (eech)


Anyone who makes pasta sauce with ANY sugar is committing a crime against good cooking.  Get your pan, put it on medium heat, add enough oil to cover the bottom of the whole pan, let the oil heat until it's shimmery.  Put minced garlic or garlic powder in the middle of the pan and let it toast for a moment, then add tomato paste.  You're now going to let the paste heat in that pan for 30 minutes or more, stirring fairly often because you do not want it to burn.  Basically, you're carmelizing the tomato paste.  Once it's carmelized (it will be *very* dark red and won't 'follow' the spoon when you stir) add as much water as you did tomato paste, sprinkle in some dried basil flakes (or finely chopped fresh basil if you want) and salt to taste.  If you do it right, it will be the best damn rich tomato sauce you've ever had in your life, won't be too acidic thanks to the carmelization, and you didn't have to add any sugars that weren't already in the tomato paste.  Plus it even counts as vegan.
 
2014-04-12 11:28:49 AM  

Teufelaffe: mekkab: theflatline: You realize that Louisiana had one of the largest influx of Sicilians in the US. The warehouse district in new orleans was a sicilian artichoke farm.

You really have no idea about the italian influence in louisiana do you. Especially in the food.

First you say Sicilian, then you say Italian.  WHICH ONE, man?!


/neighbor is from louisiana and is working the ropes to get his italian citizenship
//makes pasta sauce with a CUP of sugar (eech)

Anyone who makes pasta sauce with ANY sugar is committing a crime against good cooking.  Get your pan, put it on medium heat, add enough oil to cover the bottom of the whole pan, let the oil heat until it's shimmery.  Put minced garlic or garlic powder in the middle of the pan and let it toast for a moment, then add tomato paste.  You're now going to let the paste heat in that pan for 30 minutes or more, stirring fairly often because you do not want it to burn.  Basically, you're carmelizing the tomato paste.  Once it's carmelized (it will be *very* dark red and won't 'follow' the spoon when you stir) add as much water as you did tomato paste, sprinkle in some dried basil flakes (or finely chopped fresh basil if you want) and salt to taste.  If you do it right, it will be the best damn rich tomato sauce you've ever had in your life, won't be too acidic thanks to the carmelization, and you didn't have to add any sugars that weren't already in the tomato paste.  Plus it even counts as vegan.


No tomatoes, just paste? And browned to death? And DRIED herb? And then you just water it down?

Sorry that sounds awful. Maybe if you added some good canned tomatoes to simmer on that base.
 
2014-04-12 12:11:58 PM  

Far Cough: Teufelaffe: mekkab: theflatline: You realize that Louisiana had one of the largest influx of Sicilians in the US. The warehouse district in new orleans was a sicilian artichoke farm.

You really have no idea about the italian influence in louisiana do you. Especially in the food.

First you say Sicilian, then you say Italian.  WHICH ONE, man?!


/neighbor is from louisiana and is working the ropes to get his italian citizenship
//makes pasta sauce with a CUP of sugar (eech)

Anyone who makes pasta sauce with ANY sugar is committing a crime against good cooking.  Get your pan, put it on medium heat, add enough oil to cover the bottom of the whole pan, let the oil heat until it's shimmery.  Put minced garlic or garlic powder in the middle of the pan and let it toast for a moment, then add tomato paste.  You're now going to let the paste heat in that pan for 30 minutes or more, stirring fairly often because you do not want it to burn.  Basically, you're carmelizing the tomato paste.  Once it's carmelized (it will be *very* dark red and won't 'follow' the spoon when you stir) add as much water as you did tomato paste, sprinkle in some dried basil flakes (or finely chopped fresh basil if you want) and salt to taste.  If you do it right, it will be the best damn rich tomato sauce you've ever had in your life, won't be too acidic thanks to the carmelization, and you didn't have to add any sugars that weren't already in the tomato paste.  Plus it even counts as vegan.

No tomatoes, just paste? And browned to death? And DRIED herb? And then you just water it down?

Sorry that sounds awful. Maybe if you added some good canned tomatoes to simmer on that base.


Try it.  Seriously, it's a really tasty sauce.  And you're "browning it to death" the same way caramelizing anything is "browning it to death."  Starting with tomatoes rather than paste doesn't end up tasting as good; you're not making a light marinara here.  The end result will be rich and almost taste like it's got meat in it.  As for dried vs. fresh herbs, I did mention using fresh if you want.

Go on, give it a shot.  Paste is like $0.69 a can and you probably already have the other ingredients.  It's a bit time consuming because you can't let it sit and simmer, but it really is good.
 
2014-04-12 12:19:40 PM  
Okay, thanks for the encouragement. I'll try but it's gonna be hard staying away from these Nina tomatoes; they make everything better. :)
 
2014-04-12 12:37:02 PM  

Far Cough: Okay, thanks for the encouragement. I'll try but it's gonna be hard staying away from these Nina tomatoes; they make everything better. :)


If you don't like it, you can blame it on me only being half Sicilian.  ;)
 
2014-04-12 12:40:05 PM  
D'oh, just realized I had the temp wrong.  Should be medium-high.  Medium is usually too low to caramelize.
 
2014-04-12 01:13:34 PM  

Teufelaffe: Anyone who makes pasta sauce with ANY sugar is committing a crime against good cooking.


THANK you.

Teufelaffe: Get your pan, put it on medium heat, add enough oil to cover the bottom of the whole pan, let the oil heat until it's shimmery.  Put minced garlic or garlic powder in the middle of the pan and let it toast for a moment, then add tomato paste.  You're now going to let the paste heat in that pan for....(the rest)

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2014-04-12 02:21:20 PM  
See how poetic?

After all that, thamike and I finally on the same page. :)
 
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