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(Ecorazzi)   Anthony Bourdain finally admits to appreciating vegetarian cuisine, at least as made in Punjab. "If this is what vegetarianism meant in most of the places that practice it in the West, I'd be at least half as much less of a dick about the subject"   (ecorazzi.com) divider line 141
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2014-04-11 09:58:33 AM
There's a Punjabi restaurant near me and I'm in no way a vegetarian but we go there all the time, at least 3 times a month, because the food is so farking delicious.
 
2014-04-11 10:08:47 AM
I don't know Punjabi cuisine in particular, but I've been to Indian ceremonies without meat and I surprisingly didn't miss it. Delicious, flavorful food and sauces. Of course, when my wife says "no meat on Friday during lent" she means pizza and pasta. Good things, but they are lacking without meat.
 
2014-04-11 10:19:40 AM
I only know a handful of vegetarians well enough to have eaten their food regularly. My limited exposure has taught me that I, an omnivore, like vegetables a lot more than they do. The vegetarians I know don't seem to actually like vegetables all that much. They pretty much just eat rice, pasta, and bread all the time, and their actual veggie intake is limited to a few basic ones. Lettuce, tomatoes, some beans, that's about it.

My theory is that some people are genetically inclined to enjoy food more than others. And the latter group is more represented among vegetarians, because it's easier to take a moral stand when it's less of a personal sacrifice to do it.
 
2014-04-11 10:21:29 AM
That's probably because Punjab cuisine doesn't rely on crap like soy bratwurst and meat-flavored veggie burgers. Here in the states, we make these veggie knockoffs of meat dishes, and they're rarely worth the trouble
 
2014-04-11 10:57:23 AM
Pretty sure he'd still find a way to be a dick.
 
2014-04-11 11:01:06 AM
isn't his complaint more cultural than fundamental? i.e., meat is a luxury in the vast majority of the world, and tastes really damn good on top of that, so forgoing it for new age pseudo bullshiat reasons is stupid and doubly so when you make fake meats as a loophole.

he's always seemed to enjoy good vegetarian food when it is good food. doubly so when it's from a culture whose cuisine didn't grow up around meats
 
2014-04-11 11:05:27 AM

someonelse: I only know a handful of vegetarians well enough to have eaten their food regularly. My limited exposure has taught me that I, an omnivore, like vegetables a lot more than they do. The vegetarians I know don't seem to actually like vegetables all that much. They pretty much just eat rice, pasta, and bread all the time, and their actual veggie intake is limited to a few basic ones. Lettuce, tomatoes, some beans, that's about it.

My theory is that some people are genetically inclined to enjoy food more than others. And the latter group is more represented among vegetarians, because it's easier to take a moral stand when it's less of a personal sacrifice to do it.


I gotta say, you need to hang around some vegetarians and vegans who have access to decent farmer's markets and know how to cook.

I agree that some people just like food more than others and are more inclined to cook good food, but I've found that trait equally shared between omnis and veggie folk.

I've been vegan for about twelve years and my fridge usually has no less than seven varieties of veggies (not counting basic greens) at any given time.  My sauces, condiments, and seasonings are overflowing.  Grains take up the least amount of room in my kitchen.

In short, make some veggie friends who actually LIKE to cook.
 
2014-04-11 11:05:45 AM

Vodka Zombie: That's probably because Punjab cuisine doesn't rely on crap like soy bratwurst and meat-flavored veggie burgers. Here in the states, we make these veggie knockoffs of meat dishes, and they're rarely worth the trouble


That. If you have the notion that every meal needs meat, and that meat needs to be replaced by something meat-like*, vegetarian food is gonna suck.

* - that's being excessively generous with some 'meatless-meat' products

Gig103: pizza and pasta. Good things, but they are lacking without meat.


If you just omit meat from what you'd normally make, yeah, I can see it. But there's a ton of stuff you can do with pizza and pasta where you won't even notice the lack of meat.
 
2014-04-11 11:06:04 AM

Vodka Zombie: That's probably because Punjab cuisine doesn't rely on crap like soy bratwurst and meat-flavored veggie burgers. Here in the states, we make these veggie knockoffs of meat dishes, and they're rarely worth the trouble


Boca spicy "chicken" patties and Morningstar Farms sausage patties/black bean burgers are the only substitutes worth a damn. Everything else is unenjoyable.

The Crepes of Wrath: Pretty sure he'd still find a way to be a dick.


He knows what makes him money.
 
2014-04-11 11:09:31 AM

emocomputerjock: Boca spicy "chicken" patties and Morningstar Farms sausage patties/black bean burgers are the only substitutes worth a damn. Everything else is unenjoyable.


I've always found my enjoyment of meat substitutes to be inversely proportional to how much they're trying to be meat-like. Garden burgers, for instance, are damn tasty. Not even a little bit like meat though.
 
2014-04-11 11:11:18 AM

someonelse: I only know a handful of vegetarians well enough to have eaten their food regularly. My limited exposure has taught me that I, an omnivore, like vegetables a lot more than they do. The vegetarians I know don't seem to actually like vegetables all that much. They pretty much just eat rice, pasta, and bread all the time, and their actual veggie intake is limited to a few basic ones. Lettuce, tomatoes, some beans, that's about it.


I called a lot of these, (and a lot of vegans at university) "french fry vegans". Despite having a vegan station in the dining hall, that even meat lover ole me went to often because they tried the most interesting concepts out of the entire offering there, and often pretty damn good ones (their homemade felafel was amazing) they would eat loads of french fries and rice because they were "vegan", and ignore the whole "veg" part.

These were usually the guys who went vegan or vegetarian to impress the chicks with their sensitivity. I knew a guy who gained about 20lbs in a couple of months because after he became vegetarian he ate nothing but starches.

Hell I knew a girl who gained 40lbs on a raw vegan diet. Not sure how she managed that.
 
2014-04-11 11:17:42 AM
South East Asia is great for vegetarian food in general. I'll rarely touch tofu unless it was made by someone good at Szechuan cuisine.
 
2014-04-11 11:20:06 AM

costermonger: Garden burgers, for instance, are damn tasty. Not even a little bit like meat though.


portabello cap as burger patty is also p baller
 
2014-04-11 11:20:31 AM

someonelse: I only know a handful of vegetarians well enough to have eaten their food regularly. My limited exposure has taught me that I, an omnivore, like vegetables a lot more than they do. The vegetarians I know don't seem to actually like vegetables all that much. They pretty much just eat rice, pasta, and bread all the time, and their actual veggie intake is limited to a few basic ones. Lettuce, tomatoes, some beans, that's about it.

My theory is that some people are genetically inclined to enjoy food more than others. And the latter group is more represented among vegetarians, because it's easier to take a moral stand when it's less of a personal sacrifice to do it.


That's an amazing theory considering the huge, vast number of omnivores/carnivores who subsist on burgers and fries to the exclusion of everything else.  Limited diet, lack of variety, and avoidance of vegetables can HARDLY be attributed to vegetarians more than carnivores.  Everybody has an equal shot at being lazy and eating poorly.  It's just a little easier to do that by scarfing burgers, at least in this culture.

Vegetarians just don't enjoy food?  You're sticking with that one?  'Cause it's nonsense.
 
2014-04-11 11:24:13 AM

sprawl15: portabello cap as burger patty is also p baller


This thread is making me hungry.
 
2014-04-11 11:26:26 AM
Indian food is great. I love it. At least I know I could become a vegetarian if I developed a health condition that required I drop meat from my diet.
 
2014-04-11 11:35:34 AM
I tried that un-chicken stuff at Trader Joe's the other day, and I gotta admit, I was strangely impressed.
 
2014-04-11 11:35:59 AM
For some reason many vegetarians seem to have forgotten that spices are vegetarian.
 
2014-04-11 11:38:23 AM
Teknowaffle: Hell I knew a girl who gained 40lbs on a raw vegan diet. Not sure how she managed that.

In college? Probably was the Patriarchy... (KIDDING!!!)

Have to say that I've had my share of great vegetarian dishes, but I could admit that there was a great deal of cheating in them, since they had either butter, eggs or cheese.

I still have to try a vegan meal that makes me question my love for meat, but once I had a quinoa tabule that was just so amazing, that I replaced rice with quinoa since then.
 
2014-04-11 11:39:40 AM
Anyone else watch "The Taste"?  I 'bout died when they selected a vegan chef.
 
2014-04-11 11:40:38 AM
He's made this point several times.  There's video of him at a Google event where he responds to a question by an Indian developer and says that he doesn't look down at vegetarian traditions around the world (In fact, he holds Indian cuisine in high esteem) or even at those who are vegetarian for moral reasons.  What annoys him are people who are trendy vegetarians.
 
2014-04-11 11:43:09 AM
I'm pretty sure I could eat my own pillow if it were cooked and prepared with Punjabi spices/methods/whatever. Their stuff is just ridiculously tasty.
 
2014-04-11 11:49:46 AM

DarkPascual: Have to say that I've had my share of great vegetarian dishes, but I could admit that there was a great deal of cheating in them, since they had either butter, eggs or cheese.


Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.
 
2014-04-11 11:50:44 AM

Stile4aly: He's made this point several times.  There's video of him at a Google event where he responds to a question by an Indian developer and says that he doesn't look down at vegetarian traditions around the world (In fact, he holds Indian cuisine in high esteem) or even at those who are vegetarian for moral reasons.  What annoys him are people who are trendy vegetarians.


Well that's an utterly stupid position for him to take, then.  He owes his livelihood to the trendiness of food.  Where the fark does he think his money's come from?  The man interviewed the Cronut guy on TV!!
 
2014-04-11 11:53:59 AM

Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.


So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."
 
2014-04-11 11:56:20 AM

Superjew: DarkPascual: Have to say that I've had my share of great vegetarian dishes, but I could admit that there was a great deal of cheating in them, since they had either butter, eggs or cheese.

Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.


The vegan thing has really screwed things up for ordinary bog-standard vegetarians.  "Yes, lacto-ovo, it means milk and eggs.  NO!  People who eat fish are still eating animals and they're called pescetarians.  No your 'vegetarian' friend scarfing down the shrimp at the buffet is just a lying idiot.  No I don't give a crap what you eat; I'm having the fettucini."
 
2014-04-11 11:56:36 AM
There are many things to love and hate about travelling in India.  Food is one of those things to love.  It's very easy to realize you've gone days or even a week without eating meat, having never really thought about it one way or the other when ordering.

From the north, I really like ragda patties.  That said, I prefer Hyderabadi cooking, which doesn't avoid meat.
 
2014-04-11 11:58:54 AM

thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."


You'd have to be literally illiterate to think that vegetarians don't eat eggs.  VEGETARIAN DOES NOT EQUAL VEGAN.
 
2014-04-11 11:59:52 AM
My brother in law married a vegetarian.  Not a pure vegan, but she won't eat anything that involves a dead animal.  No meat, no fish, and I doubt she'd eat anything with red dye that comes from those beetles they crush up.  A few months ago I saw the first picture I'd seen of them in a few years and their health was clearly in the dumper.  Pale, astounding weight gains, it was sad to see.  Then I found out that neither of them really know how to cook.  They are basically living on starch (pasta, bread, etc), along with some vegetables and a bit of cheese.  That's not remotely a healthy diet.  If I thought it would do any good I'd buy them an Indian cookbook in a heartbeat. India has had a huge vegetarian population for generations and they have learned how to make non-meat dishes that not only keep you alive, but are also very healthy, AND they taste farking good.  As has been mentioned upthread by now I'm sure, Bourdain doesn't have an issue with veg per se,it's the people who do it for stupid reasons and who don't know how to do it right.
 
2014-04-11 12:00:30 PM

Far Cough: thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."

You'd have to be literally illiterate to think that vegetarians don't eat eggs.  VEGETARIAN DOES NOT EQUAL VEGAN.


Meh, vegetarians all make up their own rules.  "Fish isn't meat",  "Chicken isn't meat", etc.  If chicken is meat, why aren't eggs?

/They're all meat.
 
2014-04-11 12:01:57 PM
Came for the posts about the smug vegans.  Leaving disappointed.
 
2014-04-11 12:03:38 PM

Beeblebrox: Far Cough: thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."

You'd have to be literally illiterate to think that vegetarians don't eat eggs.  VEGETARIAN DOES NOT EQUAL VEGAN.

Meh, vegetarians all make up their own rules.  "Fish isn't meat",  "Chicken isn't meat", etc.  If chicken is meat, why aren't eggs?

/They're all meat.


No, PEOPLE make up their own rules.  There's actually a meaning to the word "vegetarian".  Fish was never a part of it.

Eggs aren't meat for the same reason fellatio doesn't make your wife a cannibal, and the same reason abortionists aren't murderers.

If nothing else, the damn things aren't even fertilized!
 
2014-04-11 12:04:26 PM

Superjew: DarkPascual: Have to say that I've had my share of great vegetarian dishes, but I could admit that there was a great deal of cheating in them, since they had either butter, eggs or cheese.

Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.


I understand that, but I've been told a few times that there seem to be a "percentage" of dairy and eggs that is "cheating". Sorta like those people that say that are vegetarian except for fish...

Not that I really care, I'm not really into making my dietary behavior into a socioplitical statement, I just eat and enjoy what is delicious, be meat or vegetables... but I had just to many debates about what really is vegetarian or vegan that is not even funny anymore.

/I guess I could go for some Indian vegetarian lunch today...
 
2014-04-11 12:04:46 PM

Far Cough: You'd have to be literally illiterate to think that vegetarians don't eat eggs.  VEGETARIAN DOES NOT EQUAL VEGAN.


Think I was pretty clear on the fact that some vegetarians eat eggs.  You just can't call an egg 100% vegetarian without looking retarded.  It's meat.  And stop yelling, psycho.
 
2014-04-11 12:05:13 PM
 
2014-04-11 12:06:05 PM

Far Cough: Eggs aren't meat for the same reason fellatio doesn't make your wife a cannibal, and the same reason abortionists aren't murderers.


Holy balls. Clean up my keyboard please.
 
2014-04-11 12:06:22 PM

mistrmind: Came for the posts about the smug vegans.  Leaving disappointed.


Vegan: Someone who thinks they're superior to others because they don't eat the animals that die for their food.

/Does that help?
 
2014-04-11 12:07:39 PM

DarkPascual: I understand that, but I've been told a few times that there seem to be a "percentage" of dairy and eggs that is "cheating".


That makes no sense.  At all.  People make up their own diets and rules (I sure do) but that makes no sense.  If you eat meat once a week you eat meat, you're not a vegan.  If you never eat meat you're a vegetarian.  Milk and eggs are part of classic vegetarianism.  People who eat fish are pescetarians.  I don't give a flying fark what you eat but all these words have meanings.
 
2014-04-11 12:08:34 PM

Teufelaffe: mistrmind: Came for the posts about the smug vegans.  Leaving disappointed.

Vegan: Someone who thinks they're superior to others because they don't eat the animals that die for their food.

/Does that help?


No, but thanks for trying.
 
2014-04-11 12:11:18 PM
 The best veggie dishes are generally in ethic restaurants, because there are many cherished veggies dishes that have been passed on for generations.   The ingredients are treated with respect.  I try to only eat meat on rare occasions.  That means I eat at a lot of vegetarian places, and most of them are horrible.  It's strange to me how many vegetarian places seemingly don't even like vegetables.   They don't buy the veggies that are in season which are at peak flavor.  They over cook them down to a bland, tasteless mush.   They try to  morph veggies into something that resembles another dish so that you can't tell what vegetable you're eating.   It makes one wonder how many vegetarians just aren't that into food in general, and it makes it that much easier to give up meat for health/ethical/cost reasons.
 
2014-04-11 12:13:54 PM
Damn now I got a hankering for thali.
 
2014-04-11 12:16:09 PM

Far Cough: DarkPascual: I understand that, but I've been told a few times that there seem to be a "percentage" of dairy and eggs that is "cheating".

That makes no sense.  At all.  People make up their own diets and rules (I sure do) but that makes no sense.  If you eat meat once a week you eat meat, you're not a vegan.  If you never eat meat you're a vegetarian.  Milk and eggs are part of classic vegetarianism.  People who eat fish are pescetarians.  I don't give a flying fark what you eat but all these words have meanings.


I didn't say it makes sense, because I don't think it does...

I've seen people throwing fits because of cheese fries, spinnach omellettes and veggie pizzas, none of them with a gram of meat, arguing that if it the amount of vegetables is not superior to the amount of... other things, is not really vegetarian. Yes, it has to do more with people being whinny idiots than anything else... but still, I find it confusing.
 
2014-04-11 12:21:05 PM
can vegetarians eat fruit?

it is a mystery
 
2014-04-11 12:21:32 PM
Meat has fat and muscle tissue, right?

Does egg have muscle tissue in it?  /rhetorical.

Eggs are not meat.

Feathers come from chickens too, but they're not meat...

Not going to weigh in on the dietary rules of vegetarians.  Eat what you want.  Call it what you want.

Just don't annoy me by being smug about your diet, whatever you call it, or I will be forced to mock you and be snarky.
 
2014-04-11 12:23:20 PM
Can we agree there's nothing wrong with being a vegetarian until you invite them to a restaurant? Individually customized diets make for shiatty lunch options.
 
2014-04-11 12:31:58 PM

Far Cough: Beeblebrox: Far Cough: thamike: Superjew: Eggs and dairy are 100% vegetarian.  No "cheating" at all.

Vegetarian and vegan are two different things.

So are eggs and vegetables.  I wouldn't call it cheating if there's no sociopolitical statement being made by self-identifying as a vegetarian, but you'd have to be f*cking high to think eggs are "100% vegetarian."

You'd have to be literally illiterate to think that vegetarians don't eat eggs.  VEGETARIAN DOES NOT EQUAL VEGAN.

Meh, vegetarians all make up their own rules.  "Fish isn't meat",  "Chicken isn't meat", etc.  If chicken is meat, why aren't eggs?

/They're all meat.

No, PEOPLE make up their own rules.  There's actually a meaning to the word "vegetarian".  Fish was never a part of it.

Eggs aren't meat for the same reason fellatio doesn't make your wife a cannibal, and the same reason abortionists aren't murderers.

If nothing else, the damn things aren't even fertilized!


Eggs aren't meat. They are animal-based food, though, and I suppose that makes a difference to some people.
 
2014-04-11 12:33:41 PM
He'd still be a dick
 
2014-04-11 12:34:19 PM
There's a Punjab joint just across the bay from me.  Guess I'll have to stop by.
 
2014-04-11 12:37:38 PM

Far Cough: someonelse: I only know a handful of vegetarians well enough to have eaten their food regularly. My limited exposure has taught me that I, an omnivore, like vegetables a lot more than they do. The vegetarians I know don't seem to actually like vegetables all that much. They pretty much just eat rice, pasta, and bread all the time, and their actual veggie intake is limited to a few basic ones. Lettuce, tomatoes, some beans, that's about it.

My theory is that some people are genetically inclined to enjoy food more than others. And the latter group is more represented among vegetarians, because it's easier to take a moral stand when it's less of a personal sacrifice to do it.

That's an amazing theory considering the huge, vast number of omnivores/carnivores who subsist on burgers and fries to the exclusion of everything else.  Limited diet, lack of variety, and avoidance of vegetables can HARDLY be attributed to vegetarians more than carnivores. Everybody has an equal shot at being lazy and eating poorly.  It's just a little easier to do that by scarfing burgers, at least in this culture.

Vegetarians just don't enjoy food?  You're sticking with that one?  'Cause it's nonsense.


Agreed. But I didn't make that claim. Similarly, I didn't say vegetarians don't enjoy food. I theorized that there's a higher representation among vegetarians of people who are less food-oriented. And I gave what I consider to be a pretty logical reason for that. So, yeah, I'm sticking with it.
 
2014-04-11 12:40:31 PM

Stile4aly: He's made this point several times.  There's video of him at a Google event where he responds to a question by an Indian developer and says that he doesn't look down at vegetarian traditions around the world (In fact, he holds Indian cuisine in high esteem) or even at those who are vegetarian for moral reasons.  What annoys him are people who are trendy vegetarians.


i can go with that. My wife is south Indian and cooks lots of great vegetarian. The only meat she will use is egg or chicken, if I cut the chicken. She doesn't do it for moral or religious reasons, just for taste. Western vegetarian food seems ashamed of itself, with meat substitutes or else steamed asparagus on a plate. With Indian veggie dishes you don't even miss the meat because of the flavors and textures.
 
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