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(Talking Points Memo)   Democrats' hope for 2014: governor races since state lines can't be gerrymandered   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 48
    More: Interesting, Democrats, GOP, governors, Mike Michaud, Paul LePage, split decisions, midterm elections, Center for Politics  
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2014-04-11 09:43:43 AM  
Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.
 
2014-04-11 09:44:04 AM  
State lines can't be gerrymandered so wouldn't that hurt the Democrats ?
 
2014-04-11 09:48:12 AM  
I tell you that if the news cycle in Georgia doesn't upswing for Nathan Deal his numbers are going to continue to fall. IF he survives the primary he'll be up against  babyfaced grandson of Jimmy Carter, and only the dumbest of hicks who wouldn't vote (D) regardless bring that up as a negative.
 
2014-04-11 10:09:47 AM  

Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.


We are?

/I hadn't noticed it being quite that dire
//and the Republicans running against Brown are clownshoes
 
2014-04-11 10:22:25 AM  

RottenEggs: State lines can't be gerrymandered so wouldn't that hurt the Democrats ?


gerrymandering is the reason the GOP won the house in 2012 despite getting fewer votes than democrats.
 
2014-04-11 10:26:44 AM  

Cheeseface: I tell you that if the news cycle in Georgia doesn't upswing for Nathan Deal his numbers are going to continue to fall. IF he survives the primary he'll be up against  babyfaced grandson of Jimmy Carter, and only the dumbest of hicks who wouldn't vote (D) regardless bring that up as a negative.


I don't know.  Deal resigned from  Congress before ethics charges could be brought up, and despite that was elected as gov.  He's now involed in the same type of charges again, for stacking the ethics committee with supporters who found nothing wrong.  My hope is with Nunn for Senator, who is really got the gop worried. I wish we could replace the entire gop legislature with members who would do something for the middle class and poor of Ga., rather than just try to destroy ACA and pass laws to allow guns in churches.
 
2014-04-11 11:15:38 AM  
State lines can't be gerrymandered....

"Challenge accepted!"
 
2014-04-11 11:57:51 AM  

RottenEggs: State lines can't be gerrymandered so wouldn't that hurt the Democrats ?


Huh. It's almost like you're not very smart.
 
2014-04-11 11:59:53 AM  

Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.


lol wut
 
2014-04-11 12:01:12 PM  

oldernell: I don't know.

..

I mean, you're right, it's certainly an uphill battle to displace idiots in charge around here - but it is certainly not impossible for the hits to keep coming against Deal and for Jason Carter to swoop in a victory. We're not that far removed from the Dems being in charge of the state.
 
2014-04-11 12:06:39 PM  
TIL California and Massachusetts have collapsing infrastructures. Of course, I learned it with no proof.
 
2014-04-11 12:16:58 PM  

Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.


Aren't you precious? Here, have a participation ribbon.
 
2014-04-11 12:18:34 PM  

Triple Oak: TIL California and Massachusetts have collapsing infrastructures. Of course, I learned it with no proof.


He's a few talking points behind. California's running a surplus, and the republican party here is effectively dead, because it does not matter if they show up to work or not at the state level, dem supermajority.
 
2014-04-11 12:29:03 PM  
state lines can't be gerrymandered, but its halfway plausible for states to split (not that its likely mind you).
I keep hearing rumblings that portions of Maryland west of Baltimore would want to split from the rest of the state.
Or maybe that's my dumbass cousin who was pissed because the state had the temerity to say that gay marriage was ok despite Jesus, or some shiat like that.
I've given up trying to understand.
 
2014-04-11 12:29:24 PM  

enry: Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.

Aren't you precious? Here, have a participation ribbon.


I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
 
2014-04-11 12:45:11 PM  
Having a Democratic governor seems to be all that's kept Missouri from the Madness of Kansas, Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio, the Carolinas, etc.  Whenever the Missouri legislature makes the news about anything, it's never something good, or sane.
 
2014-04-11 12:53:29 PM  
So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?
 
2014-04-11 12:58:08 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?


Gerrymandering + voter suppression
 
2014-04-11 12:58:34 PM  

RowdyRough: Triple Oak: TIL California and Massachusetts have collapsing infrastructures. Of course, I learned it with no proof.

He's a few talking points behind. California's running a surplus, and the republican party here is effectively dead, because it does not matter if they show up to work or not at the state level, dem supermajority.


Sure. You can run a surplus if you underfund the pensions, the public employee healthcare obligations, rack up debt and shift payment of interest to future years.
 
2014-04-11 01:01:50 PM  

enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression


Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?
 
2014-04-11 01:24:06 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?


Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.
 
2014-04-11 01:27:26 PM  
In Maine, Democrats feel they have a strong candidate in openly gay Rep. Mike Michaud to defeat Gov. Paul LePage (R)

I'm I the only one mildly annoyed that this in TFA? Why was it necessary to mention this? It adds nothing to point of the story.
 
2014-04-11 01:28:38 PM  

Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.


So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?
 
2014-04-11 01:30:42 PM  

theknuckler_33: In Maine, Democrats feel they have a strong candidate in openly gay Rep. Mike Michaud to defeat Gov. Paul LePage (R)

I'm I the only one mildly annoyed that this in TFA? Why was it necessary to mention this? It adds nothing to point of the story.


No. I expect other homophobes are annoyed by that too.

Don't be so butt hurt that people are gay. Get over it.
 
2014-04-11 01:30:58 PM  
Poor turnout will nail the Democrats. They are dependent on progressives, the young, and minority voters, who only get motivated during Presidential years. The GOP mainstay, angry old white guys, tend to turn out for all elections.
 
2014-04-11 01:32:44 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: theknuckler_33: In Maine, Democrats feel they have a strong candidate in openly gay Rep. Mike Michaud to defeat Gov. Paul LePage (R)

I'm I the only one mildly annoyed that this in TFA? Why was it necessary to mention this? It adds nothing to point of the story.

No. I expect other homophobes are annoyed by that too.

Don't be so butt hurt that people are gay. Get over it.


Jump to conclusions much?
 
2014-04-11 01:33:03 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?


How many fraudulent votes were cast before the laws were in place?
 
2014-04-11 01:41:01 PM  

Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.


Michigan has a collapsing infrastructure.  We're governed by a republican.   Hmmmm....
 
2014-04-11 01:43:18 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?


1 billion!
 
2014-04-11 01:46:13 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: theknuckler_33: In Maine, Democrats feel they have a strong candidate in openly gay Rep. Mike Michaud to defeat Gov. Paul LePage (R)

I'm I the only one mildly annoyed that this in TFA? Why was it necessary to mention this? It adds nothing to point of the story.

No. I expect other homophobes are annoyed by that too.

Don't be so butt hurt that people are gay. Get over it.


I don't think it was homophones who were annoyed by the inclusion of that tidbit.  Why include Michaud's sexual preferences without mentioning sexual preferences of all the other candidates?  The article would have been far more interesting.
 
2014-04-11 01:49:11 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?


Anywhere up to 21 million people in the past two elections.
 
2014-04-11 02:01:33 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?


It's okay if you don't want to pay attention or if you only want a hard number, because you received an answer. New voter suppression laws were  just passed in Wisconsin. So the number of suppressed votes from the new laws, which can be counted as accurately as your pretend fraudulent votes, is soon to follow. You have the hard information, you can do your own research. Seeing as you're not, we can see not to take you seriously.
 
2014-04-11 02:07:40 PM  

Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?

It's okay if you don't want to pay attention or if you only want a hard number, because you received an answer. New voter suppression laws were  just passed in Wisconsin. So the number of suppressed votes from the new laws, which can be counted as accurately as your pretend fraudulent votes, is soon to follow. You have the hard information, you can do your own research. Seeing as you're not, we can see not to take you seriously.


So you still have nothing except Ohhhh noes the bogeyman is coming.

There are no laws that suppress voting and you know it.
 
2014-04-11 02:10:12 PM  

qorkfiend: Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?

How many fraudulent votes were cast before the laws were in place?


Answering a question with a question is a sure sign you have no argument or anything useful to contribute.

"Oh no. I don't have a valid reply. Let me move the goalposts"
 
2014-04-11 02:10:44 PM  
Fluffy Dolphin:

So you still have nothing except Ohhhh noes the bogeyman is coming.

There are no laws that suppress voting and you know it.


Gee golly goshums, you figured me out. Boy, do I have egg on my face. Absolutely nothing is wrong here.

Account created:2014-04-03 14:21:05  (7 days ago)

Man, I really got put in my place. Oh no, whatever shall I do. Sniff sniff, tears and stuff.
 
2014-04-11 02:15:20 PM  

Muta: Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.

Michigan has a collapsing infrastructure.  We're governed by a republican.   Hmmmm....



it's been farked for quite a while, but damn...our roads are a whole nutha level right now.
 
2014-04-11 02:15:40 PM  
Hey I have never seen this super assertive Fluffy Dolphin person post before. That seems odd, for this is a person who seems to know his/her way around.

Account created: 2014-04-03 14:21:05 (7 days ago)

Ahh...... Yay troll alts.
 
2014-04-11 02:17:37 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: qorkfiend: Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?

How many fraudulent votes were cast before the laws were in place?

Answering a question with a question is a sure sign you have no argument or anything useful to contribute.

"Oh no. I don't have a valid reply. Let me move the goalposts"


You're asking for a hard count of something that is inherently uncountable, then using the inability to come up with a figure as a refutation of the point. You know full well that those laws were intended to limit voting. Some parts of the GOP have even admitted it in moments of unbridled honesty. Don't be an idiot.
 
2014-04-11 02:30:20 PM  

Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?

It's okay if you don't want to pay attention or if you only want a hard number, because you received an answer. New voter suppression laws were  just passed in Wisconsin. So the number of suppressed votes from the new laws, which can be counted as accurately as your pretend fraudulent votes, is soon to follow. You have the hard information, you can do your own research. Seeing as you're not, we can see not to take you seriously.

So you still have nothing except Ohhhh noes the bogeyman is coming.

There are no laws that suppress voting and you know it.


New liar right here.
 
2014-04-11 02:31:04 PM  

Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.


Bless your heart.
 
2014-04-11 02:41:24 PM  
As much as I loathe Hickenlooper, he will retain the Governorship of Colorado for the Bloomberg Democrats. He lacks credible competition from the farking Republicans. Maybe someday the Colorado Repubs will grow up and we can have a legit alternative. Not optimistic.
 
2014-04-11 03:34:10 PM  
In a sense, state lines can be gerrymandered; Maine's entry to the union in the Missouri compromise, arguably an example.

On the other hand, the constitutional restrictions for that sort of stunt mean you need the assent of legislature of all the states involved, plus both houses of the federal legislature; and in the current political climate, those make for hurdles that you'd have trouble getting agreement over the name of a bridge. So, it's incredibly unlikely to be a hazard until after the 2014 elections, and even then would be alarmingly weird for it to even be attempted.
 
2014-04-11 03:47:04 PM  

BSABSVR: Hey I have never seen this super assertive Fluffy Dolphin person post before. That seems odd, for this is a person who seems to know his/her way around.

Account created: 2014-04-03 14:21:05 (7 days ago)

Ahh...... Yay troll alts.


Huh? What?

Oh yeah. No votes got suppresed. The laws successfully stopped a concerted communazi muslim plot to vote democrats and turn cities into united nations communities and make all the whites slaves to brown people or something.

/wanted to go for an ad hominem attack.
//'you stoopid!' seemed like a good one until it felt rude.
 
2014-04-11 05:19:08 PM  

winterbraid: Dwindle: Nah, the Democrats have been getting creamed almost as bad in those races as well.
Especially when you see governors like Rich Perry and Jack Dalrymple  report high wages, low taxes and tumbling unemployment while places like California and Massachusetts are watching their entire infrastructure collapse.

lol wut


Well, I mean, that's the perception.

I live in a super red state. I visited some super blue states last month. They looked pretty shiatty by comparison. I can't lie.
 
2014-04-11 07:14:46 PM  
Muta:

I don't think it was homophones who were annoyed by the inclusion of that tidbit.

I hate homophones.  There are so many of them and they can be so confusing.
 
2014-04-11 10:49:14 PM  

RowdyRough: Triple Oak: TIL California and Massachusetts have collapsing infrastructures. Of course, I learned it with no proof.

He's a few talking points behind. California's running a surplus, and the republican party here is effectively dead, because it does not matter if they show up to work or not at the state level, dem supermajority.


Then please for the love of God get rid of DickFace Issa.

Fluffy Dolphin: Triple Oak: Fluffy Dolphin: enry: Fluffy Dolphin: So that is the new excuse?
Do they thing gerrymandering was invented recently?

Gerrymandering + voter suppression

Ok. I'll bite

How many votes were suppressed?

In which elections?

Wisconsin. Since the 2010 redistricting fiasco from Fraud Walker. Just passed voter suppression laws.

So you got nothing. Figures

You didn't answer the question

How many votes were suppressed?


In Ohio, eliminating all early voting on weekends, weeknights and threatened to cut money from the largest county in the state if they sent out absentee ballots (which is the norm) instead of moron Husted. (there is more as well in the works)

There won't be figures in this election until after the election.

Also figures from 2010 "Democratic House candidates combined to win about 1.4 million more votes than Republicans, but Republicans gained more than 700 seats due to Gerrymandering. - From Bloomberg News
 
2014-04-12 09:25:37 AM  
Because democrats don't gerrymander

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-12 09:36:35 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: RottenEggs: State lines can't be gerrymandered so wouldn't that hurt the Democrats ?

Huh. It's almost like you're not very smart.


SevenizGud: Because democrats don't gerrymander

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x414]


Apparently not according to someone . I thought it was their trademark .
 
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