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(Talking Points Memo)   Senator defends the Koch brothers: "They're not breaking the law." Did I mention he's also a Democrat?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 29
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2014-04-11 12:23:16 PM
4 votes:
A spokesman for Koch Industries, Steve Lombardo, told Politico that it was "about time" someone stood up for Charles and David Koch.


The poor, poor, oppressed Koch brothers.
2014-04-11 01:36:55 PM
2 votes:

grumpfuff: A spokesman for Koch Industries, Steve Lombardo, told Politico that it was "about time" someone stood up for Charles and David Koch.


The poor, poor, oppressed Koch brothers.


They are so oppressed that one of them even had to write a Wall Street Journal editorial about how oppressed they are.

It is truly a sad day for America when a billionaire can't use his vast influence to destroy the middle class without someone pointing it out to them.
2014-04-11 01:26:42 PM
2 votes:
Wait, he's a DEMOCRAT?  Well, that changes EVERYTHING!  The Koch should definitely be allowed to do whatever they want and alter the face of how elections are run.  You know why?  Because a DEMOCRAT said something.

Done.  Ship it.  Pack it in.
2014-04-11 12:55:21 PM
2 votes:

colon_pow: Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.

those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.


Half the country supports the Tea Party?


No wonder we're farked.
2014-04-11 12:33:08 PM
2 votes:
You know WHO ELSE didn't break any laws?
2014-04-11 12:16:48 PM
2 votes:

Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.


Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.
2014-04-11 12:12:32 PM
2 votes:
It's not illegal to like Nickelback. It doesn't make it right.
2014-04-11 10:02:55 AM
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!


That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

Anyone else want to suck billionaire genitals?
2014-04-11 01:33:34 PM
1 votes:

plewis: What they are doing isn't illegal. THAT'S THE PROBLEM!


I agreee.  We do need to make it illegal for them to only give donations to the repubs.
2014-04-11 01:29:46 PM
1 votes:
The Koch Brothers influence is largely overblown by the left. OpenSecrets.org ranks Koch 59th in donations to candidates, parties & leadership PACs over the past 25 years. They gave $18 million, while the liberal groups ranked above them gave $1,089 million - 60x as much as Koch, and 2x as much as all conservatives combined. It's laughable to see various media outlets like the NY Times and the New Yorker put on their conspiracy helmets and claim these guys are the men behind the curtain running it all. They may have lots of money, but hardly the biggest controlling factor.

So yeah, criticizing the Koch Brothers would be a large waste of time and could backfire for the Dems.  Ultimately, politics should be a battle of ideas, not spending an excessive amount of time muckraking the fundraisers.
2014-04-11 01:21:43 PM
1 votes:
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/oblig
2014-04-11 01:10:48 PM
1 votes:

UncomfortableSilence: So you don't believe that no one should be poor or go hungry when we have the wealth in this country to make that a possibility or at least reduce the numbers significantly?




And I believe that both parties want to do that. We all have the same goal, we just have different theories on how to get there. Do you actually believe that there are people out there that want to make more poor people go hungry? Where is the personal benefit to that?!
2014-04-11 01:09:43 PM
1 votes:
Of course not, they buy the people that make the laws.

Also, rich white men do not go to jail.  Unless they commit the ultimate crime:  Stealing money from other rich white men.
2014-04-11 01:05:50 PM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: Only 8 TPM articles linked to the echo chamber today?

/it's like one marathon circle jerk


No one's holding a second amendment solution to your head, Sunshine. Door's up there /, top-right of your window (top-right if you're an Apple).
2014-04-11 01:03:17 PM
1 votes:
Over time "doing the right thing" was replaced by "not technically doing anything illegal."
2014-04-11 12:58:53 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.


Well I see stopping the single payer as a plus. They also fund universities that have said that there is man made global warming so that's off set. And stopping ACA or Unions isn't "heinous". And giving money to the Tea Party isn't wicked! Just as giving money to any political action group is wicked. Are they trying to crash the markets? Are they running sweat shops in 3rd world countries?


They don't even make the top 50 in the political donations game!

Those are not heinous acts. They give money to people who have a different political view than you do. Get over it.
2014-04-11 12:54:09 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.


those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.
2014-04-11 12:32:28 PM
1 votes:
Wait, what?

What's he supposed to do - ignore objective reality and claim that they are breaking the law?
2014-04-11 12:27:59 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.

Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.


Never disappointed, never proven wrong about someone. Yeah, it works
2014-04-11 12:26:55 PM
1 votes:
If you're trying to rally the base, the bases have already been rallied. The right and left bases have been rallied," Manchin said. "It's us in the middle that have to start making something happen here in Washington to move this country forward."

You dont assume that the base is rilled up and is guaranteed to stay riled up.  Expect Kochs, abortion, war on women, gay marriage to ebb and flow upwards until Nov and then maybe some peace an quite for 6 months until the next election cycle starts.
2014-04-11 12:20:52 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.

Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.


No, see, he's expressing extreme cynicism.  You can't be hopelessly naive when you're being cynical, it's a rule or something.

No, but really, everyone who thinks that hating politics makes them immune from having wrong opinions about politics should be silenced forever.
2014-04-11 12:14:44 PM
1 votes:
Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.
2014-04-11 10:47:26 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: wow, so joe manchin - a rightwing democrat from a red state - gave a timid defense of the kochs by saying, "they're not breaking the law?"

wow, that's some heavy-duty vindication you have there, submitter!



I think submitter proved the most important thing... Both sides are bad.

So now we must all vote Republican. Got it?
2014-04-11 10:36:44 AM
1 votes:
They're criticized for using their massive (inherited) wealth to unfairly and unethically influence elections.  Many people are upset BECAUSE it's perfectly legal to do so.

But hey, you gave that strawman what for.
2014-04-11 10:21:39 AM
1 votes:
wow, so joe manchin - a rightwing democrat from a red state - gave a timid defense of the kochs by saying, "they're not breaking the law?"

wow, that's some heavy-duty vindication you have there, submitter!
2014-04-11 10:14:08 AM
1 votes:
It isn't his fault.  The Kochs gave an order to their employees to publicly come to their defense recently.  He is just doing what his bosses told him to do.
2014-04-11 10:06:54 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!

That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

Anyone else want to suck billionaire genitals?


Looks like there's already a line
2014-04-11 10:01:50 AM
1 votes:
In America, you are free to bribe both political parties equally.  And sucking a billionaire's genitals is just par for the course.
2014-04-11 09:56:36 AM
1 votes:
So he's extending the democrat double standard across the aisle?
 
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