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(Talking Points Memo)   Senator defends the Koch brothers: "They're not breaking the law." Did I mention he's also a Democrat?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 66
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2014-04-11 09:32:56 AM
6 votes:
I love how "providing jobs" is now just carte blanche for doing damn near anything. "They run a successful business! So it's OK that they're doing everything within their power to corrupt the American political system and make sure their opinion matters more in the national discussion than the average citizens!"
2014-04-11 12:11:25 PM
4 votes:
We know that.  It's the fact that bribing politicians is legal is what's got us pissed off.
2014-04-11 12:00:40 PM
4 votes:
of course they're not breaking the law. they have them custom made for them.
2014-04-11 10:36:44 AM
4 votes:
They're criticized for using their massive (inherited) wealth to unfairly and unethically influence elections.  Many people are upset BECAUSE it's perfectly legal to do so.

But hey, you gave that strawman what for.
2014-04-11 11:55:48 AM
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?


Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.
2014-04-11 01:32:22 PM
2 votes:

Deftoons: The Koch Brothers influence is largely overblown by the left. OpenSecrets.org ranks Koch 59th in donations to candidates, parties & leadership PACs over the past 25 years. They gave $18 million, while the liberal groups ranked above them gave $1,089 million - 60x as much as Koch, and 2x as much as all conservatives combined. It's laughable to see various media outlets like the NY Times and the New Yorker put on their conspiracy helmets and claim these guys are the men behind the curtain running it all. They may have lots of money, but hardly the biggest controlling factor.

So yeah, criticizing the Koch Brothers would be a large waste of time and could backfire for the Dems.  Ultimately, politics should be a battle of ideas, not spending an excessive amount of time muckraking the fundraisers.


OpenSecrets.org only tracks money donated directly to candidates. Dark money, on the other hand, is untracked and tells a wildly different story re: relative spending. I find it interesting that your comment only focuses on the former, and completely ignores the latter.
2014-04-11 01:32:01 PM
2 votes:
This is one of my favorite illogical arguments. X is not illegal. Therefore, whoever does X should not be criticized.

Legal doesn't always mean moral or ethical.
2014-04-11 01:16:17 PM
2 votes:
They are the definition of 'scumbag'.
2014-04-11 01:16:02 PM
2 votes:
The Stealth Hippopotamus: hey also fund universities that have said that there is man made global warming so that's off set.

Not really. they do it because it's mostly a write-off and it buys them influence. Like when they give to PBS and can get a program that they don't like shut down.
now they have leverage in the universities and can get those economic and civics professors that don't buy into "hyper-capitalism as the best thing in the world" fired.
2014-04-11 12:42:35 PM
2 votes:
The problem is not that they're doing anything illegal, it's that court decisions and laws are being written to allow ever more influence from billionaires like Koch's and their companies.
2014-04-11 12:30:34 PM
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Employer of union labor?


Uh. That's a virtue on the level with "doesn't crap in swimming pools.".  Employees have a right to form a union.

And they don't just "have a political opinion". They also have the money necessary to get it put in place.
2014-04-11 12:23:16 PM
2 votes:
A spokesman for Koch Industries, Steve Lombardo, told Politico that it was "about time" someone stood up for Charles and David Koch.


The poor, poor, oppressed Koch brothers.
2014-04-11 12:09:44 PM
2 votes:

Hobodeluxe: of course they're not breaking the law. they have them custom made for them.


That right thar is the issue. It's easy to follow the rules when you're the one writing them.
2014-04-11 10:21:39 AM
2 votes:
wow, so joe manchin - a rightwing democrat from a red state - gave a timid defense of the kochs by saying, "they're not breaking the law?"

wow, that's some heavy-duty vindication you have there, submitter!
2014-04-11 10:01:50 AM
2 votes:
In America, you are free to bribe both political parties equally.  And sucking a billionaire's genitals is just par for the course.
2014-04-11 10:00:46 AM
2 votes:
I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!
2014-04-11 09:40:14 AM
2 votes:
That was a pretty tepid "defense."
2014-04-11 09:38:59 AM
2 votes:
New rule: No "oh wait, did I say Republican?"-style headlines if the Senator in question is named Manchin, Landreau, McCaskill, Warner, or Pryor.
2014-04-11 04:54:10 PM
1 votes:
Where do people get the idea that billionaires need people to "stand up" for them?
2014-04-11 03:58:51 PM
1 votes:
Ya'all miss the point badly, defenders and criticizers alike.

The political money they spend is only part of the evil of the Koch brothers.

You really do need to take into account the huge (relatively speaking) number of think tanks, media outlets and Policy advocacy groups they fund that are intended to publish biased policy position papers, then their media then touts these positions without any critical analysis of them and from there the advocacy groups convince the easily duped public that these policy positions will be good for the country and lobbyists in Washington and in State houses will do the same with our politicians.

It ain't just the political donations, of which, as was pointed out above, the Kochs coordinated over 400 million in direct political giving, but it's the massive labyrinth of misinformation outlets they also control that convinces morons that tax breaks will increase revenue and deregulation of environmental and finance laws will be good for the nation.

It's so much more than just the network of donors the Koch brothers control, it's also the huge network of media and policy outlets that spreads their bile.

There isn't a more evil set of brothers in the known universe as far as I'm concerned.
2014-04-11 03:53:23 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: The Stealth Hippopotamus: whidbey: Did I mention he's also a Democrat?

Why do you think that matters, subby?

not subby!

But this is what I do. When the team criticizes one of their own I take notice or visa versa when they praise or defend someone that isn't on their team I take notice.

I don't know if I find it amusing or disturbing that people consider political parties "teams."

What do you think, Drew?


I consider political parties to be insane asylums
2014-04-11 02:34:53 PM
1 votes:

Deftoons: The Koch Brothers influence is largely overblown by the left. OpenSecrets.org ranks Koch 59th in donations to candidates, parties & leadership PACs over the past 25 years. They gave $18 million, while the liberal groups ranked above them gave $1,089 million - 60x as much as Koch, and 2x as much as all conservatives combined. It's laughable to see various media outlets like the NY Times and the New Yorker put on their conspiracy helmets and claim these guys are the men behind the curtain running it all. They may have lots of money, but hardly the biggest controlling factor.

So yeah, criticizing the Koch Brothers would be a large waste of time and could backfire for the Dems.  Ultimately, politics should be a battle of ideas, not spending an excessive amount of time muckraking the fundraisers.


Call me when (R)'s have ideas other than repealing Obamacare, cutting social programs, raising taxes on the middle/poor classes and cutting taxes for the rich.
2014-04-11 02:23:11 PM
1 votes:
Did I mention he's also a Democrat?

Why do you think that matters, subby?
2014-04-11 01:38:17 PM
1 votes:

Deftoons: qorkfiend: Deftoons: The Koch Brothers influence is largely overblown by the left. OpenSecrets.org ranks Koch 59th in donations to candidates, parties & leadership PACs over the past 25 years. They gave $18 million, while the liberal groups ranked above them gave $1,089 million - 60x as much as Koch, and 2x as much as all conservatives combined. It's laughable to see various media outlets like the NY Times and the New Yorker put on their conspiracy helmets and claim these guys are the men behind the curtain running it all. They may have lots of money, but hardly the biggest controlling factor.

So yeah, criticizing the Koch Brothers would be a large waste of time and could backfire for the Dems.  Ultimately, politics should be a battle of ideas, not spending an excessive amount of time muckraking the fundraisers.

OpenSecrets.org only tracks money donated directly to candidates. Dark money, on the other hand, is untracked and tells a wildly different story re: relative spending. I find it interesting that your comment only focuses on the former, and completely ignores the latter.

Is it not what the directive is of the left - that donating money to candidates is creating a plutocracy?

And is the left somehow devoid of said dark money too?  I don't see how anything you said lessens my point at all.


You know, you could just say you don't quite comprehend what the objection here is. No one would think any less of you.
2014-04-11 01:30:21 PM
1 votes:

plewis: What they are doing isn't illegal.  THAT'S THE PROBLEM!  I don't believe in suppressing rights.  Those guys have the right to talk just as much as anyone else.  But what is horrible is because they are so shifty, they can speak without it being connected to them, AND they lie, AND they buy influence by supporting people and elevating them far beyond the merit of their ideas, AND the volume with which they sling their shiat makes it impossible to get a legitimate message through so only the bases participate.  Everyone is sick of this shiat.  Corporations are not people, these guys don't pay ENOUGH taxes and truly we will only be free once they die.


they won't die. they just pass it on to their crotchfruit or someone just like them. they will always be in abundance. what has to happen is enough people getting tired of their shiat to do something about it.
2014-04-11 01:29:26 PM
1 votes:
Nobody is saying (well, I'm not) that any laws are broken by wealthy donors, only that election financing is an area that needs more laws.

Agree or disagree as you please, but stop defending against attacks that aren't being made.
2014-04-11 01:26:59 PM
1 votes:
What they are doing isn't illegal.  THAT'S THE PROBLEM!  I don't believe in suppressing rights.  Those guys have the right to talk just as much as anyone else.  But what is horrible is because they are so shifty, they can speak without it being connected to them, AND they lie, AND they buy influence by supporting people and elevating them far beyond the merit of their ideas, AND the volume with which they sling their shiat makes it impossible to get a legitimate message through so only the bases participate.  Everyone is sick of this shiat.  Corporations are not people, these guys don't pay ENOUGH taxes and truly we will only be free once they die.
2014-04-11 01:26:55 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion


Way to entirely miss the point, Bubba
2014-04-11 01:26:42 PM
1 votes:
Wait, he's a DEMOCRAT?  Well, that changes EVERYTHING!  The Koch should definitely be allowed to do whatever they want and alter the face of how elections are run.  You know why?  Because a DEMOCRAT said something.

Done.  Ship it.  Pack it in.
2014-04-11 01:21:51 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: UncomfortableSilence: colon_pow: Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.

those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.

So you don't believe that no one should be poor or go hungry when we have the wealth in this country to make that a possibility or at least reduce the numbers significantly?

there will always be poor people.  some stay that way due to their choices.  others, through no fault of their own.  society should provide help for them, mostly widows and orphans.


and sick and handicapped and those who can't find a job simply because there's not enough of them to go round. of course if we were to spend money on jobs programs and had those people actually doing something for their assistance that would help. I'd much rather pay them for services rendered instead of doing nothing. at least we get some value out of it right?
2014-04-11 01:21:43 PM
1 votes:
thedailyshow.mtvnimages.com

/oblig
2014-04-11 01:19:28 PM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: Ahhh, don't like our echo chamber site then leave.


Yeah, pretty much. Try any one of these:
-foxnews.com
-freerepublic.com
-reddit.com/r/Republican
-nro.com

// there are plenty of conservatives and Republicans around here, and many of them are great to engage in discussion
// whiners, on the other hand, need to adopt some Warrior Code and get the fark over it
2014-04-11 01:19:21 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: there will always be poor people.  some stay that way due to their choices.  others, through no fault of their own.  society should provide help for them, mostly widows and orphans.


What is this, 1873?

Women get remarried or have careers of their own, and i haven't seen an "orphan" since i watched Annie when i was a kid.
2014-04-11 01:17:45 PM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: grumpfuff: A spokesman for Koch Industries, Steve Lombardo, told Politico that it was "about time" someone stood up for Charles and David Koch.


The poor, poor, oppressed Koch brothers.

yeah no one speaks for them.

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I was gonna link to that Republican Senator(or was it Representative?) who was just defending them the other day, but then I got lazy.
2014-04-11 01:16:44 PM
1 votes:

Best Princess Celestia: grumpfuff: Best Princess Celestia: LordJiro: Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.

Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.

Never disappointed, never proven wrong about someone. Yeah, it works

Please provide citations proving corruption for Representative Rush Holt(D-NJ).

I'll wait.

You'll have to wait until he dies so we can have a complete history.


So..you can't prove it then. That means at least one politician is not corrupt and your "All politicians are corrupt" bit is shown to be the stupid drivel that it is.
2014-04-11 01:14:26 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UncomfortableSilence: So you don't believe that no one should be poor or go hungry when we have the wealth in this country to make that a possibility or at least reduce the numbers significantly?

And I believe that both parties want to do that. We all have the same goal, we just have different theories on how to get there. Do you actually believe that there are people out there that want to make more poor people go hungry?


Yes, they draft bills to that end all the time.

Where is the personal benefit to that?!

Their political base thinks it's a good thing, so they benefit by getting votes.
2014-04-11 01:14:05 PM
1 votes:
Actually, they're breaking a lot of campaign finance, election coordination, and IRS laws.  It's just that due to the laws we can't really investigate or prove it.

But besides that, most people aren't attacking them over alleged law breaking.  We're attacking them because they're immoral unAmerican cocks hellbent at destroying our country.   Given their parents, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a long term KGB op.

That or they're Hydra.
2014-04-11 01:12:31 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.

those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.


What you're actually presenting is a caricature of the "liberal point of view". Too many have swallowed so much conservative media bloviations that this is what's now present in their colon..."POW"!

Some day the tea baggers might grow up and realize how thoroughly they've been lied to.

But I won't hold my breath hoping for that day.
2014-04-11 01:11:52 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well I see stopping the single payer as a plus.


Go on....

The Stealth Hippopotamus: hey also fund universities that have said that there is man made global warming so that's off set.


Yeah.  Making billions of raping the environment is easily offset by token donations to universities that say it's bad.  Six / Half Dozen right?

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And stopping ACA or Unions isn't "heinous".


Yeah.  Fark the people who make them billions.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And giving money to the Tea Party isn't wicked!


Giving money to crazies who deny science at every farking turn is the definition of wicked.  They saw that when the teabaggers shut down the government last year.  I was hoping they would have learned from their mistakes, but they clearly have not.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Those are not heinous acts. They give money to people who have a different political view than you do. Get over it.


Tell that to the millions living below the poverty line that are being screwed by the politicians that the Koch Bro's have bought.  Go read the Ryan budget FFS.
2014-04-11 01:09:15 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!


Al Capone built orphanages and kept many people employed.
2014-04-11 01:05:50 PM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: Only 8 TPM articles linked to the echo chamber today?

/it's like one marathon circle jerk


No one's holding a second amendment solution to your head, Sunshine. Door's up there /, top-right of your window (top-right if you're an Apple).
2014-04-11 01:03:54 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.

those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.


So you don't believe that no one should be poor or go hungry when we have the wealth in this country to make that a possibility or at least reduce the numbers significantly?
2014-04-11 01:03:17 PM
1 votes:
Over time "doing the right thing" was replaced by "not technically doing anything illegal."
2014-04-11 12:58:53 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.


Well I see stopping the single payer as a plus. They also fund universities that have said that there is man made global warming so that's off set. And stopping ACA or Unions isn't "heinous". And giving money to the Tea Party isn't wicked! Just as giving money to any political action group is wicked. Are they trying to crash the markets? Are they running sweat shops in 3rd world countries?


They don't even make the top 50 in the political donations game!

Those are not heinous acts. They give money to people who have a different political view than you do. Get over it.
2014-04-11 12:56:02 PM
1 votes:
That is not a defense Senator, it is an indictment of you and your colleagues.
2014-04-11 12:55:21 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.

those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.


Half the country supports the Tea Party?


No wonder we're farked.
2014-04-11 12:54:58 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Anyone else want to suck billionaire genitals?


Maybe.
2014-04-11 12:54:09 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Marcus Aurelius: That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

What heinous actions?

Let's see, there's their efforts to prevent us from having single payer health care, their funding of climate change denialists, opposing the Affordable Care Act, giving money to the Tea Party, and opposing American workers right to organize.

That's the short list.


those are positions that are held by half the country.  are you unable to comprehend different points of view even if you don't agree with them?
i can comprehend the liberal point of view...

the country is blessed with abundant natural resources, we should all share the wealth, no one should be poor.

i don't agree with that as I believe that personal responsibility and ambition play a role in society, but still, i can see the point of view.
2014-04-11 12:45:21 PM
1 votes:
Someone nobody gives a f*ck about said essentially nothing. Did I mention he's a Democrat?

/ wtf does that even mean
2014-04-11 12:42:09 PM
1 votes:

Best Princess Celestia: LordJiro: Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.

Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.

Never disappointed, never proven wrong about someone. Yeah, it works


Please provide citations proving corruption for Representative Rush Holt(D-NJ).

I'll wait.
2014-04-11 12:39:17 PM
1 votes:

techgeek07: They're not breaking the law.  They're buying the law.


they are writing the law.
2014-04-11 12:37:58 PM
1 votes:

Kornchex: They aren't breaking the law.  They're buying the right to write it.

/I'm sure they're breaking it too.


at a minimum they are exploiting the holes they lobby for/write into the laws
2014-04-11 12:33:22 PM
1 votes:
They're not breaking the law.  They're buying the law.
2014-04-11 12:33:17 PM
1 votes:
Of course they're not breaking the law, they wrote it! (See: ALEC)
2014-04-11 12:33:10 PM
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: They're criticized for using their massive (inherited) wealth to unfairly and unethically influence elections.  Many people are upset BECAUSE it's perfectly legal to do so.

But hey, you gave that strawman what for.


I wish there was a way to create the perfect Randian world to send them to but they'd go with nothing.  I wonder if they really think they'd be where they are without that inheritance.  I'd love to test it.
2014-04-11 12:33:08 PM
1 votes:
You know WHO ELSE didn't break any laws?
2014-04-11 12:20:52 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.

Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.


No, see, he's expressing extreme cynicism.  You can't be hopelessly naive when you're being cynical, it's a rule or something.

No, but really, everyone who thinks that hating politics makes them immune from having wrong opinions about politics should be silenced forever.
2014-04-11 12:18:53 PM
1 votes:
They aren't breaking the law.  They're buying the right to write it.

/I'm sure they're breaking it too.
2014-04-11 12:16:48 PM
1 votes:

Best Princess Celestia: Doesn't matter what side theyre on.
All politicians are equally corrupt.


Must be nice to have such a simple worldview.
2014-04-11 12:10:04 PM
1 votes:
Well of course, this guy doesn't want to disrupt his own gravy train. What's so shocking?
2014-04-11 12:06:01 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!


You really don't get it, do you?
2014-04-11 12:05:49 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!


they're trying hard to get that "employer of union labor" title changed though.
2014-04-11 10:14:08 AM
1 votes:
It isn't his fault.  The Kochs gave an order to their employees to publicly come to their defense recently.  He is just doing what his bosses told him to do.
2014-04-11 10:06:54 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!

That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

Anyone else want to suck billionaire genitals?


Looks like there's already a line
2014-04-11 10:02:55 AM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I love it when honest and successful business man needs to be "defended" because he dares have a political opinion. 'mercia!

Award winning safety? Employer of union labor?! Tried to end a government subsidy they benefited from?! (can't link to WSJ you'll have to look it up)

And lets not talk about all the universities they support!! Those vile bastards!!


That makes their heinous actions acceptable for me.

Anyone else want to suck billionaire genitals?
2014-04-11 09:56:36 AM
1 votes:
So he's extending the democrat double standard across the aisle?
 
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