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(Talking Points Memo)   Obama to meet with Wendy Davis. "I just wanna tell you: good luck, we're all counting on you"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 91
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2014-04-11 12:11:17 PM  
Is her white zone for unloading only?
 
2014-04-11 12:17:45 PM  
Lord Dimwit:
Right, but that plays into my whole "if she thinks her kids are better off without her, that makes me like her less as a person." I'm not sa ...

They were only without her while she finished her education.  She brought both her daughters with her initially when she attended Harvard but it was too difficult to juggle both so they went back to Texas with Davis making regular visits.  It's not like she just up and walked out and never saw them until graduation.
 
2014-04-11 12:20:12 PM  

exparrot: Is her white zone for unloading only?


Go ahead and say it. You want Wendy to have an abortion.
 
2014-04-11 12:21:15 PM  

Flappyhead: Lord Dimwit:
Right, but that plays into my whole "if she thinks her kids are better off without her, that makes me like her less as a person." I'm not sa ...

They were only without her while she finished her education.  She brought both her daughters with her initially when she attended Harvard but it was too difficult to juggle both so they went back to Texas with Davis making regular visits.  It's not like she just up and walked out and never saw them until graduation.


I know. I'm just saying I couldn't leave my 2 year old for months at a time (her youngest was 2 at the time), unless I absolutely *had* to. I would've delayed college.

Once again, I'm not saying she's an objectively bad person. I'm saying I disagree with her choice and it makes me like her less. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife and I liked him less for it, but I still would've voted for him. I'm still going to vote for her.
 
2014-04-11 12:24:22 PM  
She's in the White zone.
 
2014-04-11 12:30:14 PM  
You're 20 years early Wendy.
 
2014-04-11 12:33:32 PM  

Lord Dimwit: dslknowitall: Lord Dimwit:

And before anyone accuses me of sexism - I, a man, turned down a major career advancement because I didn't want my kids to have to move and because I certainly wasn't going to go anywhere without them. I've turned down jobs that would pay me more because I'd have to travel more and not be around my kids.

I'm not saying she's an objectively bad person, I'm saying she and I aren't on the same page about parenting.


Personally I agree as a father of three kids. I am lucky enough to work locally and only have to travel rarely. Being home every night to spend time with them and put them to bed makes me more fortunate than many people.

That being said, a person taking an opportunity to better themselves or provide for their family can't really be judged with such a wide stroke. Are military people who are deployed for months if not years bad parents? What about sailors who are at sea for long times? I just think there is a much longer list of reasons why somebody could be a bad parent than going to college (even if I wouldn't have personally).

The reason it comes across as misogynistic is because if she didn't have breasts and a vagina we wouldn't even be discussing this.

/fedora

There's a difference between being deployed militarily - you literally have no choice in that case. If you don't go, you go to jail, so the end result with regard to your kids is the same.

As for "providing for your family" - they were financially secure at the time.

And the kids were *young*. It's different when they're older. But 8 and 2 is just too young to go away from them for months-long periods for years unless you absolutely *have* to.


Ok, so what about my buddy that went from the Army Reserves to active duty, knowing that he was requesting to be sent overseas to fight, two months before his child was born? He literally made the choice to be deployed. And, before you say "That's farked up!", I'd like to point out that as a reservist he'd get a stipend to help raise his child, but by going active the goverment will practically pay to raise their child (child care, pre-school, housing, nutritional assistance). And then after the child was born he put in for another tour of duty, he choose to go back overseas, because he would get a bonus and a bigger pay check. He decided to leave his family, in order to provide a better life for his family. Would you say he's not a good parent? And remember, he didn't have to go. He wasn't ordered to go, he volunteered to go.
 
2014-04-11 12:45:23 PM  

snowshovel: Remember, Republican hopefuls meeting with Sheldon Adelson is bad. But Democratic hippos meeting with Obama is awesome.


Remember, you're farking horrible.
 
2014-04-11 12:53:18 PM  

Serious Black: In a just world, Greg Abbott wouldn't be qualified to clean up the toilet after Wendy Davis emptied her bowels in it. Sadly, we do not live in a just world, and he will probably be the next Governor of Texas.


That butthurt.
 
2014-04-11 12:56:41 PM  
You know, she really is a different kind of candidate altogether.
 
2014-04-11 01:00:01 PM  

Serious Black: Lord Dimwit: Cymbal: Lord Dimwit: Cymbal: Lord Dimwit: As a liberal Texan, I would be over the moon if Wendy Davis were our next governor.

As an intelligent person, I realize that it's not going to happen.

As a parent, I don't actually like her as a person, but I agree with her politics.

Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

I dislike how she left her kids when she went to college.

And before anyone accuses me of sexism - I, a man, turned down a major career advancement because I didn't want my kids to have to move and because I certainly wasn't going to go anywhere without them. I've turned down jobs that would pay me more because I'd have to travel more and not be around my kids.

I'm not saying she's an objectively bad person, I'm saying she and I aren't on the same page about parenting.

From what I've read, she was away from her kids only while going to Harvard. And her mom and husband were able to take care of them. I'm sure it had an effect on the children, but I doubt it caused any serious or long-term damage.

The kids were 8 and 2. I couldn't voluntarily leave a two year old, even if I was going to see them "regularly". If my job required me to do something like that, I'd do it only until I could find a new job. I'd never take a job like that when my kids were that young.

I also don't like how after her divorce she didn't even attempt for joint custody of her kids.

Once again, I've never been in her shoes, but I as a father could never do those things. It just rubs me the wrong way.

I still agree with her politics, of course.

If I believed that my kids would have a better life without me present, it would be ridiculously selfish and detrimental to their development to demand I be a part of their life. That's the whole damn point behind adoption after all.


And I would never, ever vote for you. If you think your children were better off without you I can assume I would be as well.
 
2014-04-11 01:00:53 PM  
Give me your impression of Greg Abbott.
I'm sorry, I don't do impressions. My training is in politics.
Of course.
 
2014-04-11 01:07:11 PM  

SurfaceTension: You know, she really is a different kind of candidate altogether.


You know, she really is a different kind of candidate.
 
2014-04-11 01:07:53 PM  

Lord_Baull: Give me your impression of Greg Abbott.
I'm sorry, I don't do impressions. My training is in politics.
Of course.


"I'm Greg Abbott. I think women are stoopid and there are no great women thinkers. I think they need to be barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen making me a sandwich, vote for meeeee!!! Duuurrrr hurrrr."
 
2014-04-11 01:12:02 PM  

Skarekrough: dekko: snowshovel: Remember, Republican hopefuls meeting with Sheldon Adelson is bad. But Democratic hippos meeting with Obama is awesome.

I wasn't aware Adelson was an elected politician.  Did I miss something?  Please let me know.

When you live in an Ayn Rand-ian tinted world the rich are entitled to the same and equal powers as elected officials.


Unless they support the wrong guy.
 
2014-04-11 01:17:36 PM  

glmorrs1: Lord Dimwit: dslknowitall: Lord Dimwit:

And before anyone accuses me of sexism - I, a man, turned down a major career advancement because I didn't want my kids to have to move and because I certainly wasn't going to go anywhere without them. I've turned down jobs that would pay me more because I'd have to travel more and not be around my kids.

I'm not saying she's an objectively bad person, I'm saying she and I aren't on the same page about parenting.


Personally I agree as a father of three kids. I am lucky enough to work locally and only have to travel rarely. Being home every night to spend time with them and put them to bed makes me more fortunate than many people.

That being said, a person taking an opportunity to better themselves or provide for their family can't really be judged with such a wide stroke. Are military people who are deployed for months if not years bad parents? What about sailors who are at sea for long times? I just think there is a much longer list of reasons why somebody could be a bad parent than going to college (even if I wouldn't have personally).

The reason it comes across as misogynistic is because if she didn't have breasts and a vagina we wouldn't even be discussing this.

/fedora

There's a difference between being deployed militarily - you literally have no choice in that case. If you don't go, you go to jail, so the end result with regard to your kids is the same.

As for "providing for your family" - they were financially secure at the time.

And the kids were *young*. It's different when they're older. But 8 and 2 is just too young to go away from them for months-long periods for years unless you absolutely *have* to.

Ok, so what about my buddy that went from the Army Reserves to active duty, knowing that he was requesting to be sent overseas to fight, two months before his child was born? He literally made the choice to be deployed. And, before you say "That's farked up!", I'd like to point out that as a reservist he'd ...


If he needed the money, it was the right choice. If his family was financially stable and doing well at that point and they didn't need the money, then it was the wrong choice. Davis's family was financially stable and they didn't need the money. She was going to school to advance only her own career, at the expense of missing a large amount of her children's younger years. It makes me like her less. Still voting for her.
 
2014-04-11 01:26:28 PM  

Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine


Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.
 
2014-04-11 01:31:11 PM  

Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine


For the record, I'm as left as left can be. I don't feel the need to never admit that she did nothing wrong in her life, ever. I think she farked up by missing a large amount of her young children's childhoods solely to advance her own education. I didn't go to grad school because I want to see my kids grow up. She and I disagree on that point. I don't like the choice she made. I'm still going to vote for her, and I think Texas would be better off with her as governor.

Don't fall into the right-wing habit of never admitting that a Democrat might have done something bad.
 
2014-04-11 01:38:43 PM  
Wendy Davis: "It's okay, I speak jive"
 
2014-04-11 01:40:19 PM  

Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.


She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.
 
2014-04-11 01:43:00 PM  

mrshowrules: Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.

She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.


And this is a lie perpetuated by the "right wing"?
 
2014-04-11 01:46:58 PM  

Ontos: mrshowrules: Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.

She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.

And this is a lie perpetuated by the "right wing"?


A vast, vast right wing conspiracy.
 
2014-04-11 01:48:24 PM  

thatboyoverthere: snowshovel: Remember, Republican hopefuls meeting with Sheldon Adelson is bad. But Democratic hippos meeting with Obama is awesome.

See one is only the Elected President of the United States, and the other made his billions off poor people and is willing to fark them over even more. But other than that they are completely the same.


Sure, sure.  Conservatives are all horrible assholes, and democrats are noble people!

/what
//what are you looking at me like that?
///I wasn't being sarcastic
 
2014-04-11 01:51:25 PM  

Brostorm: Ontos: mrshowrules: Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.

She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.

And this is a lie perpetuated by the "right wing"?

A vast, vast right wing conspiracy.


Apparently so.
 
2014-04-11 01:55:22 PM  
The last time Texas elected a Democrat for Governor it was also a woman.  She was trailing badly in the polls until just before the election when the Republican man told a rape joke to the reporters covering his campaign.
 
2014-04-11 01:56:14 PM  
At least she can say she was married.
 
2014-04-11 02:01:46 PM  

sendtodave: thatboyoverthere: snowshovel: Remember, Republican hopefuls meeting with Sheldon Adelson is bad. But Democratic hippos meeting with Obama is awesome.

See one is only the Elected President of the United States, and the other made his billions off poor people and is willing to fark them over even more. But other than that they are completely the same.

Sure, sure.  Conservatives are all horrible assholes, and democrats are noble people!

/what
//what are you looking at me like that?
///I wasn't being sarcastic


I dunno; based on my (admittedly anecdotal) personal experience, most people who self-identify as "conservative" or "Republican" are folks who, well, weren't on the honor roll at school. I think there are some truly horrible, evil plutocrats who actually run the party, which makes sense because the party makes no attempt to disguise the fact that it's entirely set up to serve a tiny sliver of population. It's these folks, who set out so much bait in the form of "social issues" for the aforementioned non-genius types who are truly the horrible people. They knowwhat they're doing and how it'll destroy the country for the betterment of a handful. The rubes who vote for them don't know that; they actually think they're "righteous" or something in voting for their own destruction. It's a partnership of evil and stupid, to summarize.
 
2014-04-11 02:18:40 PM  

Ontos: mrshowrules: Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.

She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.

And this is a lie perpetuated by the "right wing"?


Perhaps.  Characterizing it as intentional lie may in itself be a lie.  Also, just saying a bunch of other dirt about her and characterizing that as a lie is also very dishonest.

In the end, the GOP looks much worse then her based on their attempt to attack her character.
 
2014-04-11 02:35:55 PM  

Zerochance: Texas is a place where stupidity isn't bred as much as it is stewed to perfection.  It's the land of Rick Perry, Louie Gohmert and Ted Cruz.  There is no way in hell Wendy Davis wins that election.  She might put up a fight, but that's the best she can hope for.

And I say this as a Wendy Davis supporter.


IIRC, everyone had just about written off Anne Richards around this time in the election cycle as well.
 
2014-04-11 02:36:09 PM  

Brostorm: Serious Black: In a just world, Greg Abbott wouldn't be qualified to clean up the toilet after Wendy Davis emptied her bowels in it. Sadly, we do not live in a just world, and he will probably be the next Governor of Texas.

That butthurt.


Oh yeah, I'm totally butthurt and have absolutely no rational reason to oppose the guy. You know, except for gruesome things like defending a hospital that let a grossly incompetent neurosurgeon who killed and maimed half a dozen patients keep his operating privileges even though his colleagues literally had to take over his OR to save a patient's life and later compared him to a serial killer.
 
2014-04-11 02:41:49 PM  

Cymbal: Lord Dimwit: As a liberal Texan, I would be over the moon if Wendy Davis were our next governor.

As an intelligent person, I realize that it's not going to happen.

As a parent, I don't actually like her as a person, but I agree with her politics.

Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?


Yeah, b/c the only thing that comes up in google is your comment on this page.
 
2014-04-11 02:42:27 PM  
media.vogue.com
I'll just leave this here.
 
2014-04-11 02:44:31 PM  

Brostorm: Serious Black: In a just world, Greg Abbott wouldn't be qualified to clean up the toilet after Wendy Davis emptied her bowels in it. Sadly, we do not live in a just world, and he will probably be the next Governor of Texas.

That butthurt.

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Well he'll be crying himself to sleep tonight over that one.....
 
2014-04-11 03:20:05 PM  

snowshovel: Remember, Republican hopefuls meeting with Sheldon Adelson is bad. But Democratic hippos meeting with Obama is awesome.


Boy, are you retarded or something?
 
2014-04-11 03:38:10 PM  

mrshowrules: Ontos: mrshowrules: Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.

She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.

And this is a lie perpetuated by the "right wing"?

Perhaps.  Characterizing it as intentional lie may in itself be a lie.  Also, just saying a bunch of other dirt about her and characterizing that as a lie is also very dishonest.

In the end, the GOP looks much worse then her based on their attempt to attack her character.


OK... So because Republicans call attention to the fact that some of her statements are incorrect, is a lie because they're lying about her reasons for lying.  .

Ummm... OK.

Anything else?  Because that's a fark'in stretch if I've ever heard one.
 
2014-04-11 04:16:11 PM  

Ontos: mrshowrules: Ontos: mrshowrules: Ontos: Jackson Herring: Cymbal: Is she anti-vaccination? As a parent,what makes you not like her personally?

buying into the right-wing lies about her divorce i'd imagine

Interesting.  Please explain these lies in detail.  Provide examples.  Thanks.

She said something happened when she was 18 but she was really 20.  It is truly the greatest misstatement in history.  Humankind as a whole was diminished by it.

And this is a lie perpetuated by the "right wing"?

Perhaps.  Characterizing it as intentional lie may in itself be a lie.  Also, just saying a bunch of other dirt about her and characterizing that as a lie is also very dishonest.

In the end, the GOP looks much worse then her based on their attempt to attack her character.

OK... So because Republicans call attention to the fact that some of her statements are incorrect, is a lie because they're lying about her reasons for lying.  .

Ummm... OK.

Anything else?  Because that's a fark'in stretch if I've ever heard one

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2014-04-11 04:18:12 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: IIRC, everyone had just about written off Anne Richards around this time in the election cycle as well.


TheWhoppah: She was trailing badly in the polls until just before the election when the Republican man told a rape joke to the reporters covering his campaign.


So, yeah, unless there's an unforced error of that magnitude, I don't see Wendy Davis winning.
 
2014-04-11 05:13:21 PM  
Are we? I mean, all I know about her is the one abortion thing. She may otherwise be a dolt.
 
2014-04-11 05:15:23 PM  

havocmike: Are we? I mean, all I know about her is the one abortion thing. She may otherwise be a dolt.


That's all I know about her, but knowing who her competition is, I don't need to know a thing about her.
 
2014-04-11 05:27:27 PM  

Zerochance: RoyFokker'sGhost: IIRC, everyone had just about written off Anne Richards around this time in the election cycle as well.

TheWhoppah: She was trailing badly in the polls until just before the election when the Republican man told a rape joke to the reporters covering his campaign.

So, yeah, unless there's an unforced error of that magnitude, I don't see Wendy Davis winning.


Palling around with that pants-shiatting pedophile, Ted Nugent, did Greg Abbott no favors. And him tweeting that Wendy Davis is too stupid to be governor did work out as well for him as he had hoped.

But, no, nothing that rises up to the level of telling a rape joke to reporters. Not yet.
 
2014-04-12 07:28:20 AM  

Zerochance: RoyFokker'sGhost: IIRC, everyone had just about written off Anne Richards around this time in the election cycle as well.

TheWhoppah: She was trailing badly in the polls until just before the election when the Republican man told a rape joke to the reporters covering his campaign.

So, yeah, unless there's an unforced error of that magnitude, I don't see Wendy Davis winning.


Don't Republicans make 'errors' like that about every other day nowadays?
 
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