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(Daily Kos)   In 1980, David Koch ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket. Bernie Sanders would like to let everyone know that his stated platform then isn't a whole lot different than his and his brother's stated platform now   (dailykos.com) divider line 30
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2014-04-11 09:20:44 AM
No campaign finance laws.
If you're poor and you get sick, die quickly
Repeal Obamacare (fairly prescient for 1980)
Deregulation
Repeal Social Security
Privatize the post office
Repeal all taxes
Even if we don't repeal all taxes, make not paying them legal
Repeal minimum wage laws
End public education and sell off public schools
Don't tax private schools
More deregulation - fark clean air!  If you want to breath something you can see through, there's alternatives!
i2.minus.com
Yet more deregulation.  I can only assume these people don't realize the Department of Energy also handles a lot of the nuclear stuff for the military.
Roads!  Who the fark needs them!
If you want to drive, expect to pay tolls to someone new every mile or so.
But you probably don't want to drive anyway because the cars won't be safe.
Ditto for planes.
This is a farking manual:
www.capitalcentury.com
End welfare for welfare queens and their crotchfruit.
End welfare for the poor.  The slack will be taken up by private donations the way they did before government started interfering.
We kindly request to buy up every drop of water in the country.
Our employees don't need safe jobs.
Our customers don't need safe products either.
Legalize loan-sharking.

You know, I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between the 1980's libertarian platform and any conservative then, now, or in between.
I guess they were just really ahead of the curve on trying to dump the 'Republican" brand name and just hadn't yet come up with "Tea Party".
 
2014-04-11 09:25:19 AM
"We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission."
"We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission."


What's the big deal? They just want a return to the freedom and prosperity we enjoyed in 1971.

"We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act."

Er... 1970.

"We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency."

Er... 1969.

"We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs."

Er... 1964.

"We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration."

Er... 1959.

"We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws."

Er... 1937.

"We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary."

Er... 1934.

"We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration."

Er... 1905.

"We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes."

Er... 1893.

"We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended."

Er... 1861

"We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service."

Er... 1774.

"We support the repeal of all state usury laws."

Er... 325.

"We support the eventual repeal of all taxation."

Er... 2687 BC.
 
2014-04-11 09:40:14 AM
LOLibertarians

Waiting for the No True Scotsman brigade to show up.
 
2014-04-11 09:44:03 AM
I honestly believe that Libertarians are just people who were permanently scarred by overcontrolling parents and never grew up.
 
2014-04-11 09:49:14 AM

Karac: No campaign finance laws.
If you're poor and you get sick, die quickly
Repeal Obamacare (fairly prescient for 1980)
Deregulation
Repeal Social Security
Privatize the post office
Repeal all taxes
Even if we don't repeal all taxes, make not paying them legal
Repeal minimum wage laws
End public education and sell off public schools
Don't tax private schools
More deregulation - fark clean air!  If you want to breath something you can see through, there's alternatives!

Yet more deregulation.  I can only assume these people don't realize the Department of Energy also handles a lot of the nuclear stuff for the military.
Roads!  Who the fark needs them!
If you want to drive, expect to pay tolls to someone new every mile or so.
But you probably don't want to drive anyway because the cars won't be safe.
Ditto for planes.
This is a farking manual:

End welfare for welfare queens and their crotchfruit.
End welfare for the poor.  The slack will be taken up by private donations the way they did before government started interfering.
We kindly request to buy up every drop of water in the country.
Our employees don't need safe jobs.
Our customers don't need safe products either.
Legalize loan-sharking.

You know, I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between the 1980's libertarian platform and any conservative then, now, or in between.
I guess they were just really ahead of the curve on trying to dump the 'Republican" brand name and just hadn't yet come up with "Tea Party".


The DOE handles the production and maintenance of all US nuclear weapons.
 
2014-04-11 09:58:03 AM
I used to think the Koch Brothers' machinations were strictly about business and making it easier for them to make even more money.  This look into their id shows me they are aso batshiat crazy.
 
2014-04-11 10:07:44 AM
Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.
 
2014-04-11 10:08:26 AM

Any Pie Left: I used to think the Koch Brothers' machinations were strictly about business and making it easier for them to make even more money.  This look into their id shows me they are aso batshiat crazy.


And to think, they'd be absolute nobodies if their daddy hadn't done business with Stalin.
 
2014-04-11 10:30:13 AM
Of all the millions of innocent people murdered in pogoms in the early days of the Soviet Union, and they let ONE nasty little girl named Ayn Rand escape.

And the world has been paying dearly for that oversight ever since.
 
2014-04-11 10:38:42 AM
Even in my most libertarian days I can't fathom how people think like this. They truly want to abolish government. I just can't figure out how you grow up as a child and decide that life would be better if water services, highways, food inspections, and air traffic control would be better if they were completely controlled by private corporations seeking profit. How do you grow up thinking that employees would be more free if there were no minimum wage, child labor, or workplace safety laws. Oh, and healthcare and insurance would be so much better without government regulation of any sort so the insurance companies can be more free.

Unbelievable.
 
2014-04-11 10:56:46 AM

GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.


So, you don't know what a police state is, do you?
 
2014-04-11 10:58:26 AM
 Wow, it's like a wish list for every dystopic future movie from the 80's
 
2014-04-11 11:36:34 AM

GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.


The guy you're white knighting bankrolled the architects of the domestic security, military adventurism, and trade policies you rail against. Your hero doesn't care about the size or scope of government, he just wants all the money. If a war comes with a tax cut, then he's for the war. If body scanners on every corner comes with a repeal of business regulations, then let's hope the radiation settings are properly calibrated, because he's going to go to the mat to make sure we get them.
 
2014-04-11 11:38:20 AM
Guys guys, be isn't a real libertarian.

They like all the big government us liberals do.

As I was told the other day 'if you think the government could be smaller and still do what it does now, you are a libertarian'.

That is the new definition or some shiat.
 
2014-04-11 12:05:48 PM

GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.


Wow...from 0 to favorited! in record time, over one missed word.

/Subby
//Realized it the second I clicked "Submit"
///And I even previewed the damned thing, too...
 
2014-04-11 12:07:19 PM

TV's Vinnie: Of all the millions of innocent people murdered in pogoms in the early days of the Soviet Union, and they let ONE nasty little girl named Ayn Rand escape.

And the world has been paying dearly for that oversight ever since.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love how the All-American down-home Praise Jaysus party embraces the economic policy of a Russian atheist. With little to no economic experience, I might add.
 
2014-04-11 12:08:58 PM
Koch was the VP nom, not the Presidential nom, and he basically bought his way on to the ticket (his riches allowed the campaign to basically self-finance).  Ed Clark was the Libertarian Presidential nom that year.  That ticket got the highest percentage of the popular vote for a Libertarian Presidential ticket ever, 1.06%, which they still haven't beaten (Gary Johnson was close in 2012, with 0.99%).
 
2014-04-11 12:11:24 PM

IlGreven: TV's Vinnie: Of all the millions of innocent people murdered in pogoms in the early days of the Soviet Union, and they let ONE nasty little girl named Ayn Rand escape.

And the world has been paying dearly for that oversight ever since.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love how the All-American down-home Praise Jaysus party embraces the economic policy of a Russian atheist. With little to no economic experience, I might add.


Not simply an atheist, an anti-theist.

The difference between atheists and anti-theists is similar to the difference between vegetarians and vegans.
 
2014-04-11 12:37:46 PM

dukeblue219: Even in my most libertarian days I can't fathom how people think like this. They truly want to abolish government. I just can't figure out how you grow up as a child and decide that life would be better if water services, highways, food inspections, and air traffic control would be better if they were completely controlled by private corporations seeking profit. How do you grow up thinking that employees would be more free if there were no minimum wage, child labor, or workplace safety laws. Oh, and healthcare and insurance would be so much better without government regulation of any sort so the insurance companies can be more free.

Unbelievable.


Hell, one would think they would at least support public education.

Kind of hard to run a business when everyone is too stupid to work for you.
 
2014-04-11 01:06:42 PM

Geotpf: Koch was the VP nom, not the Presidential nom, and he basically bought his way on to the ticket (his riches allowed the campaign to basically self-finance).  Ed Clark was the Libertarian Presidential nom that year.  That ticket got the highest percentage of the popular vote for a Libertarian Presidential ticket ever, 1.06%, which they still haven't beaten (Gary Johnson was close in 2012, with 0.99%).


And within 2 years, David Koch was booted from the Libertarian party by a coalition led by Murray Rothbard.

Because David Koch really is a misogynistic, racist, narcissistic asshole.
 
2014-04-11 01:16:47 PM

X-boxershorts: Because David Koch really is a misogynistic, racist, narcissistic asshole.


Sounds like Ron Paul.

It seems like every few years a nutbag is in charge of the L-party, and then when they leave to go find real power in the Republican party we pretend the Libertarians should be viewed as squeaky clean.
 
2014-04-11 02:37:33 PM

impaler: dukeblue219: Even in my most libertarian days I can't fathom how people think like this. They truly want to abolish government. I just can't figure out how you grow up as a child and decide that life would be better if water services, highways, food inspections, and air traffic control would be better if they were completely controlled by private corporations seeking profit. How do you grow up thinking that employees would be more free if there were no minimum wage, child labor, or workplace safety laws. Oh, and healthcare and insurance would be so much better without government regulation of any sort so the insurance companies can be more free.

Unbelievable.

Hell, one would think they would at least support public education.

Kind of hard to run a business when everyone is too stupid to work for you.


they like the idea of indentured servitude, or slavery. Like college loans, except for life.
 
2014-04-11 02:54:23 PM

IlGreven: TV's Vinnie: Of all the millions of innocent people murdered in pogoms in the early days of the Soviet Union, and they let ONE nasty little girl named Ayn Rand escape.

And the world has been paying dearly for that oversight ever since.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love how the All-American down-home Praise Jaysus party embraces the economic policy of a Russian atheist. With little to no economic experience, I might add.


They don't. She just gives their sociopathic greed a veneer of intellectual respectability.

Or so they think.
 
2014-04-11 04:52:46 PM

Wendy's Chili: GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.

The guy you're white knighting bankrolled the architects of the domestic security, military adventurism, and trade policies you rail against. Your hero doesn't care about the size or scope of government, he just wants all the money. If a war comes with a tax cut, then he's for the war. If body scanners on every corner comes with a repeal of business regulations, then let's hope the radiation settings are properly calibrated, because he's going to go to the mat to make sure we get them.


Wow! Ed Clark did all that? Who knew?
 
2014-04-11 05:02:19 PM

grumpfuff: GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.

So, you don't know what a police state is, do you?


Oh, I'm sorry. How thoughtless of me. I meant a surveillance state, One in which the NSA has power to look at your banking, text messages, phone records, and anything else it wants, along with everyone else's in the United States.  Where warrantless wiretaps have become so common that they are taken for granted, and the Fourth Amendment has lain gutted for decades. Yes, not a police state at all. What could I have been thinking of?
But, please, keep up your tirade against David Koch. He's far more important.
 
2014-04-11 05:11:00 PM

GentlemanJ: But, please, keep up your tirade against David Koch. He's far more important.


Not really...he just thinks he is....and he has more then enough money to make lots of politicians and millions of easily duped Americans also think that he is.
 
2014-04-11 05:12:45 PM

GentlemanJ: grumpfuff: GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.

So, you don't know what a police state is, do you?

Oh, I'm sorry. How thoughtless of me. I meant a surveillance state, One in which the NSA has power to look at your banking, text messages, phone records, and anything else it wants, along with everyone else's in the United States.  Where warrantless wiretaps have become so common that they are taken for granted, and the Fourth Amendment has lain gutted for decades. Yes, not a police state at all. What could I have been thinking of?
But, please, keep up your tirade against David Koch. He's far more important.


Please point out my tirade against David Koch, because my only contribution in this thread was the one post where I pointed out you don't know what a police state is.

And if you were living in a police state, you wouldn't be allowed to go on the internet and call it a police state.
 
2014-04-11 05:18:32 PM

grumpfuff: GentlemanJ: grumpfuff: GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.

So, you don't know what a police state is, do you?

Oh, I'm sorry. How thoughtless of me. I meant a surveillance state, One in which the NSA has power to look at your banking, text messages, phone records, and anything else it wants, along with everyone else's in the United States.  Where warrantless wiretaps have become so common that they are taken for granted, and the Fourth Amendment has lain gutted for decades. Yes, not a police state at all. What could I have been thinking of?
But, please, keep up your tirade against David Koch. He's far more important.

Please point out my tirade against David Koch, because my only contribution in this thread was the one post where I pointed out you don't know what a police state is.

And if you were living in a police state, you wouldn't be allowed to go on the internet and call it a police state.


Of course you could. They'd just make a special note in your dossier. For later.
 
2014-04-11 05:20:37 PM

GentlemanJ: grumpfuff: GentlemanJ: grumpfuff: GentlemanJ: Actually, it was Ed Clark who ran for president, subby, but don't let that get get in your way. I understand that it is easier to rail against hopeless idealists who want too much freedom than to notice that you are now living in a quasi-polce state in hopeless economic chattel-slavery to China. Just keep f*cking that chicken, pal.
/Enjoy supporting our wars and bloated bureaucracy with your Income Tax check this week. Don't forget to put your SSI number on it for easy identification.

So, you don't know what a police state is, do you?

Oh, I'm sorry. How thoughtless of me. I meant a surveillance state, One in which the NSA has power to look at your banking, text messages, phone records, and anything else it wants, along with everyone else's in the United States.  Where warrantless wiretaps have become so common that they are taken for granted, and the Fourth Amendment has lain gutted for decades. Yes, not a police state at all. What could I have been thinking of?
But, please, keep up your tirade against David Koch. He's far more important.

Please point out my tirade against David Koch, because my only contribution in this thread was the one post where I pointed out you don't know what a police state is.

And if you were living in a police state, you wouldn't be allowed to go on the internet and call it a police state.

Of course you could. They'd just make a special note in your dossier. For later.


Better watch out, Agenda 21 is gonna come for people like you first.
 
2014-04-11 07:46:22 PM

Poopspasm: IlGreven: TV's Vinnie: Of all the millions of innocent people murdered in pogoms in the early days of the Soviet Union, and they let ONE nasty little girl named Ayn Rand escape.

And the world has been paying dearly for that oversight ever since.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I love how the All-American down-home Praise Jaysus party embraces the economic policy of a Russian atheist. With little to no economic experience, I might add.

They don't. She just gives their sociopathic greed a veneer of intellectual respectability.

Or so they think.


Well...they'd have to be following her. They couldn't come up with their own ideas otherwise...
 
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