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2014-04-11 09:49:38 AM  
At least two of the malls in my area have kiosks for repairing cracked windshields. So whenever I walk by one, the guy asks me if I have a cracked windshield. Yes, my windshield has been cracked for some time now and and I've been wandering the malls hoping someone would help.

/not exactly on topic but I had to share that
 
2014-04-11 10:06:28 AM  
Lots of Ohio hate in here.  I live in central Ohio and if you can get past the tOSU overload it is a great place to live.

On topic my previous job was actually housed in an old mall.  It was weird doing professional work in a mall, but it was also kind of neat.  We owned the building, which had a movie theater that still had lots of stuff in there, but was used mostly for storage.  It would be prohibitively expensive, but I'd love to buy an abandoned mall and use it as a house.
 
2014-04-11 10:17:40 AM  

mjbok: Lots of Ohio hate in here.  I live in central Ohio and if you can get past the tOSU overload it is a great place to live.

On topic my previous job was actually housed in an old mall.  It was weird doing professional work in a mall, but it was also kind of neat.  We owned the building, which had a movie theater that still had lots of stuff in there, but was used mostly for storage.  It would be prohibitively expensive, but I'd love to buy an abandoned mall and use it as a house.


Interesting thought.... would take a lot of upgrade work most likely, and debatable whether it would be worth it to keep the escalators running (don't know if there is an easy way to rig one up to have a switch to run for 5 minutes when someone is there to use it), but, some rich people might think it was "unique" to live in an old mall, souped up to be large "luxury" apartment/condos..... "I live in the former Banana Republic!".   Mall with 75 storefronts could be 75 very large condos, with ample inside causeways to walk around in.
 
2014-04-11 10:29:10 AM  
That mall will be fine.  They just need to hire Dobis P.R. to run it.
 
2014-04-11 11:09:21 AM  
If I were homeless, I'd live there. A hell of a lot better than a steam grate in winter.
 
2014-04-11 11:32:43 AM  
The only closed-in mall near us is the Northridge shopping center in Salinas,CA. It is extremely busy. 98.2% of the shoppers there are Hispanics, most of which don't know wtf Amazon is.
The general rule of thumb as is as follows:
1) round up as many children as you can
2) wear your finest cowboy/ranchero outfit
3) let the nine or more children you brought with you run amok, scream and be as disruptive as possible,
4) mean-mug the shiat out of every other person you see
5) don't buy anything
6) participate in the occasional gang related shooting

Maybe it's better that a lot of these enclosed malls are closing down.
 
2014-04-11 11:37:33 AM  

boyvoyeur: If I were homeless, I'd live there. A hell of a lot better than a steam grate in winter.


Well, until the wrecking balls come, but, yeah.
 
2014-04-11 12:56:22 PM  

Fissile: ph0rk: The mausoleums of capitalism, watch how they crumble.

Some malls seem to chug along forever.  The Garden State Plaza Mall located just outside New York City in Paramus, New Jersey was built in 1957 as an open air mall.  The mall was enclosed in the 1980s.  Since then it has undergone several expansions, the most recent expansion was completed last month.

The GSP mall as it looked in the early 1970s

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Same view today

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I used to go there in the 70s and the drive-in theater next to it.
 
2014-04-11 01:35:47 PM  

gfid: Klaumbaz: 2chris2: I think it's a combination of things that have led to the decline of malls.

1. People shopping at Walmart instead of the big stores like Sears that were always half the square footage of malls.

2. Video arcades, and hanging out in general, no longer bringing in teenagers, who now play video games at home.

3. Everyone doing a lot of their shopping online now instead of at the mall.

Actually, it's 3, 1, then 2 for leading causes.

internet shopping destroying brick and mortar stores, Walmart has ALOT in it, and arcades never drew big shipping crowds, just us nerds who wanted to play the latest quarter eating game.

I'm not sure 3 has overtaken 1 if you count other shopping trips to big stores besides Walmart.  There is still a large contingent of people who want stuff and they want it now even if Amazon Prime can get it to us the next day.

I'll buy things online, but I prefer to burn gas to get my hands on things as quickly as possible instead.

2 is really just silly if you think about it.  Sure, I went to the mall plenty of times just to play video games when I was a young teen, but I was spending a quarter at a time.  At best, I was supporting just ONE business in the whole mall and my contribution might have been as much as $3-4 each time I visited.

How the hell did those places make money?  It would be interesting to see their books.

Back in the '70s I used to go to a pinball arcade place before video games became a thing.  It closed abruptly after being raided as a front for a drug operation.  Ah, now I see the potential in that business model.


Yes, they were, at their most legal, money laundering fronts. The interiors of our arcades were always semi dark (Aladdin's castle, Gold Mine, and Twilight Zone.) Perfect places for illicit deals with all the loud arcade noises making it hard to figure out what the shady guys were talking about.
 
2014-04-11 01:47:25 PM  

armor helix: The only closed-in mall near us is the Northridge shopping center in Salinas,CA. It is extremely busy. 98.2% of the shoppers there are Hispanics, most of which don't know wtf Amazon is.
The general rule of thumb as is as follows:
1) round up as many children as you can
2) wear your finest cowboy/ranchero outfit
3) let the nine or more children you brought with you run amok, scream and be as disruptive as possible,
4) mean-mug the shiat out of every other person you see
5) don't buy anything
6) participate in the occasional gang related shooting

Maybe it's better that a lot of these enclosed malls are closing down.


Keeps 'em off the streets
 
2014-04-11 02:41:50 PM  
>Dead leaves, dirty ground and gaping holes in the ceiling show how far the mall has fallen into disrepair

Someone is supposed to maintain an abandoned mall?
 
2014-04-11 02:57:36 PM  

bentley57: Someone is supposed to maintain an abandoned mall?


Usually, the owner. At least, if they don't want their property declared blighted and seized.

(Fencing and plywood sheeting over all entrances, as well as keeping the property structurally sound and ensuring it isn't a fire risk, counts as "maintaining" it.)
 
2014-04-11 03:28:20 PM  
my 30th year in business in a mall in NE ohio...
My mall has decined, but is hangin in there...

lucky me ...for sure    I'm serious.jpg
shameless plug;
http://www.glassescontacts.com

Thanks to all for supporting a local family owned biz :)
 
2014-04-11 03:43:12 PM  

Animatronik: gfid: Disciple_of_Trogdor: You know how I know you've NEVER been to Cleveland?

Because you think it snows too much.

I actually have been to Cleveland.  I left sunny Arizona to go there for a weekend of work.  I was at this job site for 24 hours - seriously, I worked 7 AM on a Saturday until about 7 AM on Sunday.  It snowed to whole time.  I even picked up a snow shovel, because living in Arizona I wondered what it was like to shovel snow.   It wasn't that fun, but fortunately a co-worker had a snow plow attached to the front of his pickup and he seemed to enjoy plowing the whole parking lot.

Yeah - it snowed way too much.  Maybe I just caught it on a bad weekend.

Seriously, who the fark outfits their pickup with a snow plow unless you live somewhere that gets too much snow?

I live in Colorado now.  I don't know anyone who has plow blades attached to the front of their cars and we get a fair amount of snow here.

So, I can sum up my trip to Cleveland like this.

/It snows so much that ordinary people attacjh snow plow blades to the front of their pickup trucks.
//It's so boring that people actually enjoy shoveling/plowing snow
///The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame sucks ass.
////you can't clean up some city grime - some shiat just doesn't wash off.  I saw that in Cleveland  (I've seen it other places too - they try to make the old part of the city new.....it doesn't work.  It's still a shiathioe)
//Don't take it personally if you're from Cleveland.  I'm not judging you personally.

I used to visit Phoenix a lot. I remember abandoned strip malls and a day where it was 115 degrees in the shade. I guess some people don't mind that.

Don't take it personally...


A lot of people dont realize this, but, the Lord GOD is actually pretty lazy. sure, he, the Lord GOD created the stars and the firmement, the dark and the light and all that crazy shiat in six days, but, then, he rested... basicaly, flaked off. well.. the earth wasn't done yet really, kinda like the terrain editor in Sim city... kinda only half baked really.

so.. here He, the Lord GOD had a bit of a mess on his hands.. here had places like Arizona, where it was hot, it was dry, and the ground was hard, then he had places like Ohio, were it was muddy, depressing, and the rivers caught on fire. Now, He, the Lord GOD couldn't really fix those problems so he was in a bit of a bind.
He, the Lord GOD pondered the situation and came up with the most practical, and perfect solution. He took the lands with all of the problems and he simply created People who like it like that.
 
2014-04-11 03:56:38 PM  
By no means a sociologist or an economist (or a philanthropist, or a bicyclist), but yes, the mall seems to be an idea whose time has come and gone.

Malls boomed in the 60's through the 80's, particularly with kids in the 70's and 80's, when flight to the suburbs happened and kids lived too far apart to gather at a park or whatever, but had to rely on Mom and Dad to drop them off somewhere to gather and have fun. When you didn't have a car, or when gas was astronomical like it was in the late 70's, a place like a mall was awesome: You could shop, get food and hit the arcade or movie theater with your friends, all without having to leave the building, plus, Mom & Dad could even stay, too, just shopping at more Mom (JCPenney) and Dad (Sears Brand Central) kind of places.

The change that happened in the 80's/90's: Most suburban kids, 16+, started to get cars. With a car, kid can go do things without a parent, and you can hit better spots that have all of those specific things that you used to need to have in one place at the mall. Parents, without having to be attached to the kids, skip the mall. Then in the last decade, the PS3/Xbox takes care of the arcade/movie part, and the Internet suffices for shopping, so if you leave the house, you're probably just going to someone else's house.

Also, helicopter parents have gotten afraid of having their kids in any common area, out of their sight, where some predator could assault them, while kids also lead such scheduled, programmed lives between sports & music practices that do-nothing, hang-out time seems to be a rarity, usually spent with the nose in the cell phone or laptop chatting online. The occasional story of a mall riot, usually with racial overtones, probably hasn't helped this.

My girlfriend claims to have spent a ton of time in the mall growing up. She loves to shop. But now, she does it online, where she can find more unique niché things, get better deals and not have to deal with the riffraff. The mall is more of a nostalgia trip for her now than anything.

Given how easy it is to now work from home, the only places it seems like we might gather together en masse in the future might be schools & sports arenas, with schools potentially going the way of the Internet-killed Dodo at some point as well.
 
2014-04-11 04:20:34 PM  
I remember when all the stories were about businesses abandoning downtown for these malls.
 
2014-04-11 04:28:01 PM  

armor helix: The only closed-in mall near us is the Northridge shopping center in Salinas,CA. It is extremely busy. 98.2% of the shoppers there are Hispanics, most of which don't know wtf Amazon is.
The general rule of thumb as is as follows:
1) round up as many children as you can
2) wear your finest cowboy/ranchero outfit
3) let the nine or more children you brought with you run amok, scream and be as disruptive as possible,
4) mean-mug the shiat out of every other person you see
5) don't buy anything
6) participate in the occasional gang related shooting

Maybe it's better that a lot of these enclosed malls are closing down.


So you've been to Metrocenter in Phx? Or AZ Mills in Tempe?
 
2014-04-11 04:52:01 PM  

gfid: Walt_Jizzney: From TFA:

'There's nothing more profound and sobering then being inside an abandoned mall. It's a powerful symbol of America's economic decline,'


This has little to do with any "economic decline" and more to do with the changing landscape of suburbia and of real estate trends in the retail sector, not to mention the impact of the Internet to "window shop" as it were.

Malls have a shelf life. New malls replace them. Times change. It's life, nothing more.

FFS the mall they were showing had a JcPenny's.

Can you tell me what mall has been replaced with a new one in the last 10 years?

Hint:  There has not been a new mall built in the US since 2005.

You're right that it's more to do with "changing landscape of suburbia" than "economic decline", but nobody goes to the mall anymore and nobody wants to go to the mall.    People want to go to specific stores and they go to shopping centers with parking lots that allow them to park right in front of those stores rather than making them wander through a huge building full of stores.

If I were to take a short trip to the mall probably less than 5 miles away from me, I would pass numerous stores on the way selling the exact same shiat as I could get in the mall.....actually, I would have a much bigger selection from the stores on the way to the mall than I would in the actual mall.


False. City Creek in Salt Lake City is absolutely enormous and making money hand over fist.
But to be fair, it was the ONLY one opened in 2012 in the US.
It's a nice, modern, partially open mall very well suited to the climate, the clientele, and the design of the city. If you want to do anything in the middle of town, you'll probably park under it. It was very well designed, has a bit of everything and LOTS of some things, and will probably be permanently profitable.
 
2014-04-11 06:21:57 PM  

Fissile: August11: I visit a local mall about every two or three years. I am always amazed that the bookstore, can't remember the chain, is still in business. I can understand a used or rare bookstore, but paperbacks? Best sellers? What is the set of people who go to a mall but don't have the internet? And buy books.

I don't know. Maybe next time I go they will be closed.

I regularly shop at this book store that sells used/new books.  http://www.montclairbookcenter.com/

This store does biz on the net, but I like going to the store.  The building is old.....it's got a tin ceiling.    The combination of 100+ year old building and old books gives the place a wonderfully musty smell.  I get a contact high just walking in the door.  The other great thing about actually shopping in this place is that it's like a treasure hunt.  I walk over to a bin or shelf of used books/magazines/CDs and start digging.  More times than not I find some little nugget of awesome.   Try and get this same experience off Amazon.


When I was in grad school there was a local used book shop run by this one guy, always there, always reading.

I'd find those gems: a crisp, never read Tropic of Cancer. A first editon Raise High the Roof Beam. Voltaire in 22 volumes.

The shop had a small front and a cavern behind it. I'd bring to the counter a stack of books that I figured would cost about fifty bucks.

He'd look up from an arcane volume and say in a coarse bark, "Twenty."

The store vanished around 2002.
 
2014-04-11 06:25:55 PM  
Forward-going, malls should be made of businesses that offer services. You can't mail a haircut, massage, nor daycare. One-stop-shopping would remain appealing.
 
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2014-04-11 06:34:21 PM  

Intrepid00: The Dogs of War: Ah yes, Rolling Acres and Randall Mall. Two shining examples of why I want out of Ohio

So what is it about Ohio that makes people want out so bad they become astronauts?


When I moved out around 2000, the idea of getting a job paying $10/hour seemed like winning the lottery.
 
2014-04-11 06:36:11 PM  

evilmousse: Forward-going, malls should be made of businesses that offer services. You can't mail a haircut, massage, nor daycare. One-stop-shopping would remain appealing.


This. I can get everything at PAC SUN, Brookstone, Pier One, etc., for cheaper in a day through Amazon Prime. Likewise all the clothes stores, accessory stores, etc. But that's because I'm a guy. When I wanted a French-cuff shirt the other day I walked into Macy's and the novices behind the counter were "pretty sure" they didn't have any. So they spent 12 minutes trying to figure out on their computer whether they had any. Then 8 minutes looking around on the shelves. Then they ordered me one online. I ordered by my measurements--17" neck, 33" sleeve--because that WORKS for me as a man in present-day American clothing culture. But for my wife? No way is she ever going to buy any fitted clothing online.  Maybe a bath robe or a '40s-style sized hat. But for a petite woman with birthing hips, the mall is still the Temple of Consumerism and probably always will be. Gotta try that action on your real self.
 
2014-04-11 10:06:22 PM  

nekom: Earguy: I see those pictures and think I should become a scrap metal thief.  I could make a fortune off those escalators.

They aren't exactly made out of platinum you know.  After 4 years being closed, anything valuable enough to warrant the work involved in getting is has been gotten.


I just took in:

1 refrigerator
1 hand dolly
3 old computer chassis
3 metal bi-fold closet doors

weight in:  6400 lbs
weight out: 5940 lbs

Total payout= $50.50 for (mixed tin)

I'm thinking you can still make a good buck if you wanted to separate out the various metals and take in discrete loads of each.
 
2014-04-11 10:10:13 PM  

Wangiss: False. City Creek in Salt Lake City is absolutely enormous and making money hand over fist.


How close is that to downtown? The tearing down of the two downtown malls probably created an opening for a new mall to jump into the market. But I haven't been to SLC since before the big redevelopment downtown so I don't know how much of the former mall business stayed downtown in the redeveloped centers and how much had to find a new home.
 
2014-04-12 05:54:52 AM  
As for malls vs downtown, Chicago has malls downtown.
 
2014-04-12 09:38:45 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: nekom: Earguy: I see those pictures and think I should become a scrap metal thief.  I could make a fortune off those escalators.

They aren't exactly made out of platinum you know.  After 4 years being closed, anything valuable enough to warrant the work involved in getting is has been gotten.

I just took in:

1 refrigerator
1 hand dolly
3 old computer chassis
3 metal bi-fold closet doors

weight in:  6400 lbs
weight out: 5940 lbs

Total payout= $50.50 for (mixed tin)

I'm thinking you can still make a good buck if you wanted to separate out the various metals and take in discrete loads of each.


Am I missing something?   The last 7 items on that list should be, what, maybe a few hundred pounds, and I am probably being high there.

So, you had a 3 ton fridge??
 
2014-04-12 10:18:57 AM  

dletter: Benjimin_Dover: nekom: Earguy: I see those pictures and think I should become a scrap metal thief.  I could make a fortune off those escalators.

They aren't exactly made out of platinum you know.  After 4 years being closed, anything valuable enough to warrant the work involved in getting is has been gotten.

I just took in:

1 refrigerator
1 hand dolly
3 old computer chassis
3 metal bi-fold closet doors

weight in:  6400 lbs
weight out: 5940 lbs

Total payout= $50.50 for (mixed tin)

I'm thinking you can still make a good buck if you wanted to separate out the various metals and take in discrete loads of each.

Am I missing something?   The last 7 items on that list should be, what, maybe a few hundred pounds, and I am probably being high there.

So, you had a 3 ton fridge??


6400-5940= 460 lbs.

I'd say the fridge was prolly 350 of that or so.
 
2014-04-12 11:11:59 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: dletter: Benjimin_Dover: nekom: Earguy: I see those pictures and think I should become a scrap metal thief.  I could make a fortune off those escalators.

They aren't exactly made out of platinum you know.  After 4 years being closed, anything valuable enough to warrant the work involved in getting is has been gotten.

I just took in:

1 refrigerator
1 hand dolly
3 old computer chassis
3 metal bi-fold closet doors

weight in:  6400 lbs
weight out: 5940 lbs

Total payout= $50.50 for (mixed tin)

I'm thinking you can still make a good buck if you wanted to separate out the various metals and take in discrete loads of each.

Am I missing something?   The last 7 items on that list should be, what, maybe a few hundred pounds, and I am probably being high there.

So, you had a 3 ton fridge??

6400-5940= 460 lbs.

I'd say the fridge was prolly 350 of that or so.


So, where did the 6,400 come from.   You keep a running total of everything you have?

/sorry I'm familiar with any of that stuff at all.
 
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