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2014-04-10 08:24:34 PM  
pretty interesting though not surprising
 
2014-04-10 09:44:44 PM  
Give them money?

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Huh.  Fancy that.
 
2014-04-10 09:57:53 PM  
Also the idea of a grown man paying $10's of thousands a year, being all lurky like that with burner phones, and hiding in the shadows to bribe teenagers to play football for a school because he is a HUGE FAN is pretty god damn sad.  I mean I am a college sports fan but holy christ, get some life balance and grow up dude.

If your secret phone ever rings and you have to go slip someone thousands of bucks to get their sister in rehab so they will play for a school you are a fan of just shoot yourself.
 
2014-04-10 09:59:07 PM  
The things I miss out on following pro leagues.
 
2014-04-10 10:03:40 PM  

NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising


Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.
 
2014-04-10 10:46:10 PM  
A long article, beset with graphics between paragraphs. However, everything I've read or heard about college football in the past ten years supports this account.

Yes, I know it's easy to say that someone has an axe to grind. However, I've lived in SEC country my whole life, been friends with a few D-1 football players, and in my limited experience attest that this is all true. Boosters on the fringes of the university usually  have a lot of collateral to burn with limited exposure, but with lots of rewards. It's a convoluted clusterf*rk of a system, for sure, but let's not ignore reality.
 
2014-04-10 10:46:58 PM  

steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.


Step 1: live in Texas for any amount of time
Step 2: get a new perspective on why this isn't surprising at all.
 
2014-04-10 10:50:50 PM  

steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.


It's not anonymous. It's written by a well-known and long-time college football writer.
 
2014-04-10 11:03:58 PM  

Gerrok: steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.

Step 1: live in Texas for any amount of time
Step 2: get a new perspective on why this isn't surprising at all.


In Texas they figure out ways to pay high school kids, let alone college. Aledo and Southlake have been dominant for years for a very good reason
 
2014-04-10 11:13:51 PM  

NickelP: Also the idea of a grown man paying $10's of thousands a year, being all lurky like that with burner phones, and hiding in the shadows to bribe teenagers to play football for a school because he is a HUGE FAN is pretty god damn sad.  I mean I am a college sports fan but holy christ, get some life balance and grow up dude.

If your secret phone ever rings and you have to go slip someone thousands of bucks to get their sister in rehab so they will play for a school you are a fan of just shoot yourself.


Wife:  Are you cheating on me?
Husband:  What?  No!  Why would you say that!
Wife:  You're always sneaking off at odd hours and you won't tell me where you're going.  You have a drawer full of burner phones and you'll never tell me who you're talking to.  What am I supposed to think?
Husband:  Ok, fine, I'll tell you the truth.  I'm a bagman.
Wife:  What?
Husband:  I distribute money and rewards to teenagers to try and convince them to play for The Team.
Wife:  Seriously?  Do you use our money?
Husband:  Just a few tens of thousands a year.
Wife:  ...
Husband:  But I'm doing it for the team!
Wife:  Just get a farking mistress.
 
2014-04-10 11:17:52 PM  

NickelP: Also the idea of a grown man paying $10's of thousands a year, being all lurky like that with burner phones, and hiding in the shadows to bribe teenagers to play football for a school because he is a HUGE FAN is pretty god damn sad.  I mean I am a college sports fan but holy christ, get some life balance and grow up dude.

If your secret phone ever rings and you have to go slip someone thousands of bucks to get their sister in rehab so they will play for a school you are a fan of just shoot yourself.


The million dollar question is, how do you punish the Rams Club, or the Mustang Club, or whatever the booster club is called at insert-Top-25-school-of-your-choice without nuking the program?
 
2014-04-10 11:33:55 PM  

bubbaprog: steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.

It's not anonymous. It's written by a well-known and long-time college football writer.


Fine sources are anonymous, without that the article means jack shiat, I don't give a shiat who wrote it, fark without some proof Woodward and Bernstein couldn't have even written their expose yet this is all supposed to be taken as fact with less than zero evidence?

Sorry its just talking out his ass.

And I'm not saying this doesn't happen, just saying anyone can say this is going on but I find it hard to believe no disgruntled athlete hasn't come forward to make a shiat ton of cash by blowing the lid off all this.
 
2014-04-10 11:37:46 PM  

Gerrok: steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.

Step 1: live in Texas for any amount of time
Step 2: get a new perspective on why this isn't surprising at all.


I've lived in the south and saw it from even a baseball perspective but this is talking in 40k being given which is absurd. That amount is hard to hide and these kids aren't exactly good at that.

Athlete have been given breaks for years but this just sounds like horseshiat of someone who wants attention.
 
2014-04-11 12:26:38 AM  
Wait, so I can post in this TF thread?
 
2014-04-11 12:28:29 AM  
Almost impossible to get rid of that weird booster who gives out $500 handshakes to 17-year-olds. What the NCAA should be focusing on is the actual education that these players are getting while they are in school (that is if the NCAA actually cares about education). There are way more UNC situations out there that should be aggressively dealt with.
 
2014-04-11 01:09:50 AM  

justinguarini4ever: Almost impossible to get rid of that weird booster who gives out $500 handshakes to 17-year-olds. What the NCAA should be focusing on is the actual education that these players are getting while they are in school (that is if the NCAA actually cares about education). There are way more UNC situations out there that should be aggressively dealt with.


That's what always gets me.  We can't pay the players because they already get a free education, but what the hell is a UNC education worth?
 
2014-04-11 01:43:53 AM  
Not surprised at all by this.
 
2014-04-11 02:41:42 AM  

Mentat: justinguarini4ever: Almost impossible to get rid of that weird booster who gives out $500 handshakes to 17-year-olds. What the NCAA should be focusing on is the actual education that these players are getting while they are in school (that is if the NCAA actually cares about education). There are way more UNC situations out there that should be aggressively dealt with.

That's what always gets me.  We can't pay the players because they already get a free education, but what the hell is a UNC education worth?


A hell of a lot. That diploma says The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and that name carries a lot of weight. Or, at least it does for non-athletes. If anything, that's another benefit they receive: a diploma from a Top 50 institution for doing fifth grade work. It cheapens the diplomas of the kids who bust their asses to actually get into UNC, and cheapens the work of the people who make it an excellent school. So yes, pursue UNC. They deserve sanctions.
 
2014-04-11 02:54:40 AM  
This is why I roll my eyes when people claim these guys are "slaves."  Are they underpaid, given the sizes of the TV contracts? Yes. But let's not go overboard. I've been told by multiple NBA writers that the reason big time prospects go to college for a year instead of the D-League is that college pays better.

Also, what Shabazz said about going to bed hungry at night is clearly bullshiat, but it's an effective hyperbole for a cause I support, so meh.
 
2014-04-11 03:55:55 AM  
Accordingly, all the other conversations I had with different bag men representing different SEC programs over a two-month span surrounding National Signing Day didn't happen either.

I believe the SEC is going cable next season with their own cable channel.

I hope players unionize and they fark the SEC and ESPN and all the cable carriers out the ass. It's disgusting that players are basically owned by an entertainment network without any pay.

from the wiki:

The SEC Network (also known as the SEC ESPN Network) is an upcoming cable college sports network dedicated to coverage of the Southeastern Conference (SEC), scheduled to launch on August 14, 2014. The network will be operated by ESPN as part of a 20-year partnership, and feature coverage of SEC sports, along with news/analysis programs and other content focusing on the SEC's member schools. The network's coverage will also succeed an identically-named syndication package which was produced by ESPN's regional arm, ESPN Plus.

That is just sick. ESPN has a generation of thousands of college athletes all locked in for exploitation. And the SEC universities are going to make billions. But not the players.

Next up. The ESPNFL.
 
2014-04-11 07:57:51 AM  

steamingpile: I've lived in the south and saw it from even a baseball perspective but this is talking in 40k being given which is absurd. That amount is hard to hide and these kids aren't exactly good at that.


Wait, they're giving the players Games Workshop minis under the table?!?  The cars are way cheaper.

fastbow: Mentat: justinguarini4ever: Almost impossible to get rid of that weird booster who gives out $500 handshakes to 17-year-olds. What the NCAA should be focusing on is the actual education that these players are getting while they are in school (that is if the NCAA actually cares about education). There are way more UNC situations out there that should be aggressively dealt with.

That's what always gets me.  We can't pay the players because they already get a free education, but what the hell is a UNC education worth?

As the guy in the article said:

College majors like Exercise Science and General Education have long been assailed by critics as crip-course degrees, but shadow boosters see them as a vital way to perpetuate the cycle. If a player finishes out his eligibility and has no feasible future in the pros, he might return home and become a nearby high school coach. It doesn't matter if it's junior high or seven-on-seven camps; each means a new brand ambassador for the program.

The program is built to feed itself.  A sort of sporting-industrial complex. 

A hell of a lot. That diploma says The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and that name carries a lot of weight. Or, at least it does for non-athletes. If anything, that's another benefit they receive: a diploma from a Top 50 institution for doing fifth grade work. It cheapens the diplomas of the kids who bust their asses to actually get into UNC, and cheapens the work of the people who make it an excellent school. So yes, pursue UNC. They deserve sanctions.

They do deserve sanctions.  I just don't know how you go after the people responsible.  Baddour and Thorp are both gone, and you can't exactly seize their pensions.  People like that have enough money to walk away from the mess they create - they can "retire" without needing to actually work for a living.  I hope Nyang'Oro starts naming names on the witness stand.  I want to see at least one member of the Board of Trustees lose their job over this mess.  I'd also like to see the student-athlete advising center be put directly under the control of the Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, or at least someone who isn't being paid by the athletic department.
 
2014-04-11 08:46:07 AM  

NickelP: Also the idea of a grown man paying $10's of thousands a year, being all lurky like that with burner phones, and hiding in the shadows to bribe teenagers to play football for a school because he is a HUGE FAN is pretty god damn sad.  I mean I am a college sports fan but holy christ, get some life balance and grow up dude.

If your secret phone ever rings and you have to go slip someone thousands of bucks to get their sister in rehab so they will play for a school you are a fan of just shoot yourself.


I assume these people stand to profit on the team in some manner, so they just write it off as a business expense.
 
2014-04-11 09:13:38 AM  

UNC_Samurai: College majors like Exercise Science and General Education have long been assailed by critics as crip-course degrees, but shadow boosters see them as a vital way to perpetuate the cycle. If a player finishes out his eligibility and has no feasible future in the pros, he might return home and become a nearby high school coach. It doesn't matter if it's junior high or seven-on-seven camps; each means a new brand ambassador for the program.

The program is built to feed itself.  A sort of sporting-industrial complex.



I agree with what you said.  I found an interesting parallel:

College majors like Exercise Science Womyn's History and General Education Cultural Studies have long been assailed by critics as crip-course degrees, but shadow administrators see them as a vital way to perpetuate the cycle. When a student graduates and realizes their degree has no worth he might return to the university and become a grad student. It doesn't matter if it's as a teaching assistant or enrollment counselor; each means a new brand ambassador for the program.

The program is built to feed itself.  A sort of academic-industrial complex.


Of course, football players bring in a hell of a lot more money.
 
2014-04-11 09:27:06 AM  
Pretty sad that this writer is attempting to demonize the missionary work of these "bag men."

If these kids weren't slipped a couple of thousand dollars under the table every week or so they'd be going to bed hungry at night.

And that's what's important, taking care of the kids.  Which is absolutely 100% the goal of each and everyone of these bag men, which is why they don't funnel money only to certain schools.  It just looks that way because the group has divvied up the "donation areas" in order to expedite child saving.

/a okay with paying kids in college
//realize this goes on in most conferences
///these bag men are insecure scum but still better than agents trying to hook a college kid in order to land a pay out later
 
2014-04-11 09:57:21 AM  

steamingpile: Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.

...

I've lived in the south and saw it from even a baseball perspective but this is talking in 40k being given which is absurd. That amount is hard to hide and these kids aren't exactly good at that.

Athlete have been given breaks for years but this just sounds like horseshiat of someone who wants attention.


Anybody who doubts this stuff goes on at every program that aspires to play big-time CFB is naive.  I don't care who your team is or how you think they "do things the right way".  I've no doubt FSU does it.  You should have no doubt UGA does it.  The only difference between our teams and the ones who get bsted is that our teams aren't run by imbeciles..

And $40k is indeed absurd for a baseball player, because nobody cares about baseball.  It's actually somewhat low for a big football recruit.
 
2014-04-11 10:11:20 AM  
Why is everyone TF (self included) all of a sudden?
 
2014-04-11 10:39:55 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Why is everyone TF (self included) all of a sudden?


Drew got drunk and gave everybody 24 hours of free TF. There's a huge thread on it somewhere.
 
2014-04-11 10:43:37 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: HaywoodJablonski: Why is everyone TF (self included) all of a sudden?

Drew got drunk and gave everybody 24 hours of free TF. There's a huge thread on it somewhere.


Jeez. That explains why all the main page threads are empty. Unintended consequences.
 
2014-04-11 11:28:39 AM  

bubbaprog: steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.

It's not anonymous. It's written by a well-known and long-time college football writer.


You see, steamingpile needs cold hard facts and strong evidence.  Innocent until proven guilty.  Well, for the SEC at least.  If an NFL player is photographed with a dubious individual or yells into a microphone then they are automatically gangbangors, thugs and cheating idiot douchebags.
 
2014-04-11 11:30:37 AM  
Tf you say? I have no extra boobiez in any of my threads, no beer was delivered and I dont feel like I am in on the ground floor of exciting new topics. Huh.
 
2014-04-11 12:07:31 PM  

nowaymanblue: If these kids weren't slipped a couple of thousand dollars under the table every week or so they'd be going to bed hungry at night.


notsureifserious
 
2014-04-11 12:37:15 PM  

stappawho: nowaymanblue: If these kids weren't slipped a couple of thousand dollars under the table every week or so they'd be going to bed hungry at night.

notsureifserious


? Thousands of collegiate athletes die of hunger every year.
 
2014-04-11 01:37:21 PM  

NickelP: Also the idea of a grown man paying $10's of thousands a year, being all lurky like that with burner phones, and hiding in the shadows to bribe teenagers to play football for a school because he is a HUGE FAN is pretty god damn sad.  I mean I am a college sports fan but holy christ, get some life balance and grow up dude.

If your secret phone ever rings and you have to go slip someone thousands of bucks to get their sister in rehab so they will play for a school you are a fan of just shoot yourself.


Tell that to Alabama fans who want that one awesome five-star recruit that'll be the difference bet. them talking shiat to Auburn fans or vice versa.
 
2014-04-11 01:38:30 PM  

steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.


Except a) See Pony Exce$$ as proof it happens and b) are you really that naive that crap like that doesn't happen in the $EC?
 
2014-04-11 01:39:40 PM  

steamingpile: bubbaprog: steamingpile: NickelP: pretty interesting though not surprising

Anonymous and unsubstantiated article implicating all schools who have been exceptionally good conference?

Could be 100% made up and without any even remote source its hard to take it seriously.

It's not anonymous. It's written by a well-known and long-time college football writer.

Fine sources are anonymous, without that the article means jack shiat, I don't give a shiat who wrote it, fark without some proof Woodward and Bernstein couldn't have even written their expose yet this is all supposed to be taken as fact with less than zero evidence?

Sorry its just talking out his ass.

And I'm not saying this doesn't happen, just saying anyone can say this is going on but I find it hard to believe no disgruntled athlete hasn't come forward to make a shiat ton of cash by blowing the lid off all this.


2/10 and I'll gladly call BS on your BS.
 
2014-04-11 02:33:05 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Accordingly, all the other conversations I had with different bag men representing different SEC programs over a two-month span surrounding National Signing Day didn't happen either.

I believe the SEC is going cable next season with their own cable channel.

I hope players unionize and they fark the SEC and ESPN and all the cable carriers out the ass. It's disgusting that players are basically owned by an entertainment network without any pay.

from the wiki:

The SEC Network (also known as the SEC ESPN Network) is an upcoming cable college sports network dedicated to coverage of the Southeastern Conference (SEC), scheduled to launch on August 14, 2014. The network will be operated by ESPN as part of a 20-year partnership, and feature coverage of SEC sports, along with news/analysis programs and other content focusing on the SEC's member schools. The network's coverage will also succeed an identically-named syndication package which was produced by ESPN's regional arm, ESPN Plus.

That is just sick. ESPN has a generation of thousands of college athletes all locked in for exploitation. And the SEC universities are going to make billions. But not the players.

Next up. The ESPNFL.


10/10.  I could actually picture the fake spittle.
 
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