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2014-04-10 08:19:02 PM  
Soda with alcohol? They still sell Smirnoff Ice?
 
2014-04-10 08:20:44 PM  
Once marijuana is legal across the country, they should put that in it. And cocaine. Just a little bit to keep us going on those long constitutionals.
 
2014-04-10 08:42:09 PM  

cyberspacedout: Soda with alcohol? They still sell Smirnoff Ice?


Yes, but you're thinking of Zima.
 
2014-04-10 08:45:06 PM  
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2014-04-10 08:46:23 PM  

"Back in the day, soda pop tonic was sold in pharmacies and packed with alcohol and narcotics. Now all we get is sugar, if we're lucky"


You godless heathens. say it right.

 
2014-04-10 09:32:39 PM  
Sometimes you can get Mexican Coke which is still made with real
cocaine.
 
2014-04-10 09:35:09 PM  
Fun fact.

Before 1980. High Fructose Corn Syrup did not exist as a commercial additive and was not used in products. How did we manage? Well we managed much thinner.

The Soda industry adopted HFCS as it's sweetener..helped by subsidies from congress.

Yes, not too long ago in the early 80's and 70's most products---even things like soup, ketchup, bread, tomato sauce etc did not contain HFCS--or even added sugars. Look at any label day and HFCS is probably the second or third item on the list.

In the 70's and early 80's being overweight was far more rare than it is today.

/I will say a welcome trend is some products are now labeling their items as 'contains no HFCS'...and why did it ever contain it?
 
2014-04-10 09:38:45 PM  

optikeye: Fun fact.

Before 1980. High Fructose Corn Syrup did not exist as a commercial additive and was not used in products. How did we manage? Well we managed much thinner.

The Soda industry adopted HFCS as it's sweetener..helped by subsidies from congress.

Yes, not too long ago in the early 80's and 70's most products---even things like soup, ketchup, bread, tomato sauce etc did not contain HFCS--or even added sugars. Look at any label day and HFCS is probably the second or third item on the list.

In the 70's and early 80's being overweight was far more rare than it is today.

/I will say a welcome trend is some products are now labeling their items as 'contains no HFCS'...and why did it ever contain it?


HFCS and sugar are the same thing.  It's the added sugar in everything that is a problem no matter where it comes from.  Sugar, HFCS, honey, concentrated grape juice, pure cane juice, it's all the same chemically and all bad for you.  Soda may have actually been healthier when it had cocaine in it if there was less sugar.
 
2014-04-10 09:54:52 PM  

Farnn: HFCS and sugar are the same thing.


Not exactly--if they where the same one wouldn't been invented by the corn industry as a process to use surplus corn in the 80's. I think 'sugar' has been around a bit longer than 1980--and studied far better. Now, of course the taste might be so similar as there's no diffrence; but a product that just appeared in the 80's (paradoxically when people started blooming in weight)...might be in question.

It's like saying Potassium Chloride and Sodium Chloride are the same because they're 'salts'.
Sugar is a broad term---like 'salt'.

In any case;  look at pictures of your parents HS books from the 70's or 80's...try to spot a fat person.  Now, remember HFCS wasn't introduced into most products until 1980. Something changed. What was it?
 
2014-04-10 10:00:45 PM  
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2014-04-10 10:15:49 PM  

optikeye: Farnn: HFCS and sugar are the same thing.

Not exactly--if they where the same one wouldn't been invented by the corn industry as a process to use surplus corn in the 80's. I think 'sugar' has been around a bit longer than 1980--and studied far better. Now, of course the taste might be so similar as there's no diffrence; but a product that just appeared in the 80's (paradoxically when people started blooming in weight)...might be in question.

It's like saying Potassium Chloride and Sodium Chloride are the same because they're 'salts'.
Sugar is a broad term---like 'salt'.

In any case;  look at pictures of your parents HS books from the 70's or 80's...try to spot a fat person.  Now, remember HFCS wasn't introduced into most products until 1980. Something changed. What was it?


I know sugar is a broad term, but when you look at the chemistry, cane sugar and HFCS are the same.  Corn syrup is essentially a glucose syrup made from corn starch.  With HFCS, about half of the glucose is turned into fructose which tastes sweeter, leaving you with a syrup that is 50% glucose and 50% fructose.  Cane sugar is just sucrose which is a disaccharide made of 1 fructose molecule and 1 glucose molecule.  When the body digests it, it breaks it down into glucose and fructose before breaking it down further.  So chemically there is virtually no difference outside of trace other compounds in each from their source materials.

While HFCS was added to a lot of foods in the 80s and on, there were a lot of other changes that happened too.  Hormones and antibiotics to animal feed, new fertilizers and pesticides, emphasis on high carb and low fat diets.  Just because you can find a correlation between HFCS and obesity doesn't mean there's a causal link, especially when the science doesn't back it up.
 
2014-04-10 10:17:22 PM  

optikeye: Fun fact.

Before 1980. High Fructose Corn Syrup did not exist as a commercial additive and was not used in products. How did we manage? Well we managed much thinner.

The Soda industry adopted HFCS as it's sweetener..helped by subsidies from congress.

Yes, not too long ago in the early 80's and 70's most products---even things like soup, ketchup, bread, tomato sauce etc did not contain HFCS--or even added sugars. Look at any label day and HFCS is probably the second or third item on the list.

In the 70's and early 80's being overweight was far more rare than it is today.

/I will say a welcome trend is some products are now labeling their items as 'contains no HFCS'...and why did it ever contain it?


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2014-04-10 10:18:34 PM  

Farnn: optikeye: Fun fact.

Before 1980. High Fructose Corn Syrup did not exist as a commercial additive and was not used in products. How did we manage? Well we managed much thinner.

The Soda industry adopted HFCS as it's sweetener..helped by subsidies from congress.

Yes, not too long ago in the early 80's and 70's most products---even things like soup, ketchup, bread, tomato sauce etc did not contain HFCS--or even added sugars. Look at any label day and HFCS is probably the second or third item on the list.

In the 70's and early 80's being overweight was far more rare than it is today.

/I will say a welcome trend is some products are now labeling their items as 'contains no HFCS'...and why did it ever contain it?

HFCS and sugar are the same thing.  It's the added sugar in everything that is a problem no matter where it comes from.  Sugar, HFCS, honey, concentrated grape juice, pure cane juice, it's all the same chemically and all bad for you.  Soda may have actually been healthier when it had cocaine in it if there was less sugar.


Cane sugar still tastes better and has superior mouth feel.
 
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2014-04-10 10:21:37 PM  

optikeye: Something changed. What was it?


I think it is certainly an important item of note, but I would not want to grant too much gravity to higher amounts of added sugars in the role of obesity.  That isn't to say it isn't important, of course.  I think that an increase in consumption of processed foods high in fat is equally important, if not greater.  Microwaves, convenience, a departure from planned meals, increases in restaurant patronage... There are so many factors involved in the rise of childhood obesity and obesity beyond childhood that I, as someone who is most certainly not an expert, probably shouldn't be adding too much, if any, commentary.  Something definitely changed, and while many things can be identified, I wouldn't pin it heavily on one issue.
 
2014-04-10 10:44:45 PM  

optikeye: Look at any label day and HFCS is probably the second or third item on the list.


"Any label day"?

Okay

No ingredients listed on my beer.   There are no HFCS listed on my container of peanuts, although the fact that peanuts actually contain 5 different ingredients is disturbing enough and one of them is "corn syrup solids", whatever the fark that is (but it is last).  I also have some "Deluxe Mixed Nuts".  No HFCS there either.  No "corn syrup solids" either.  I also checked 2 different kinds of foods pretending to be potato chips.  Nope, no HFCS listed on either of them.

How many labels do I need to check to find this HFCS?  Maybe you just eat crap.  Not that beer and peanuts and Pringles aren't crap, but they don't have this HFCS thing you're so upset about.
 
2014-04-10 10:46:15 PM  
Because Passover is next week, in some areas of the country the Coke bottlers make kosher-for-Passover soda that contains sugar since products made from corn are not OK for the holIday.
 
2014-04-10 10:56:59 PM  

Pentaxian: Because Passover is next week, in some areas of the country the Coke bottlers make kosher-for-Passover soda that contains sugar since products made from corn are not OK for the holIday.


The Hasidic Jews in Williamsburg got pissed last year because the hipsters bought out all the Coke made with cane sugar.
 
2014-04-11 12:02:19 AM  

Farnn: While HFCS was added to a lot of foods in the 80s and on, there were a lot of other changes that happened too.


And I hate to be "that guy"... but just eating more.  God, now I am gonna be "that guy" but I'll let it rip.  When I was a kid in the 80's it was a treat to get an oreo or a whole $0.50 to get a candy bar.  Now I see my sister's kid and his friends (he's 5)... and they're allowed to eat *anything* they want, all day long.  Seriously stuffing their faces with whatever they want.  Its kinda gross.
 
2014-04-11 12:22:26 AM  

optikeye: Farnn: HFCS and sugar are the same thing.

Not exactly--if they where the same one wouldn't been invented by the corn industry as a process to use surplus corn in the 80's. I think 'sugar' has been around a bit longer than 1980--and studied far better. Now, of course the taste might be so similar as there's no diffrence; but a product that just appeared in the 80's (paradoxically when people started blooming in weight)...might be in question.

It's like saying Potassium Chloride and Sodium Chloride are the same because they're 'salts'.
Sugar is a broad term---like 'salt'.

In any case;  look at pictures of your parents HS books from the 70's or 80's...try to spot a fat person.  Now, remember HFCS wasn't introduced into most products until 1980. Something changed. What was it?


Look at rock groups from the 60's and 70's.  They're tiny and their clothes looks like they're made for puppets.  When you look at bands today and they're thick, corpulent, doughy people.
 
2014-04-11 03:00:03 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Sometimes you can get Mexican Coke which is still made with real
cocaine.


Actually, all Coke still uses coca leaf extract. It's just processed beforehand to remove the drug, at a plant somewhere in New Jersey.

The Mexican version is only different in that it uses sucrose rather than HFCS.
 
2014-04-11 03:59:53 AM  

Farnn: I know sugar is a broad term, but when you look at the chemistry, cane sugar and HFCS are the same.  Corn syrup is essentially a glucose syrup made from corn starch.  With HFCS, about half of the glucose is turned into fructose which tastes sweeter, leaving you with a syrup that is 50% glucose and 50% fructose.  Cane sugar is just sucrose which is a disaccharide made of 1 fructose molecule and 1 glucose molecule.  When the body digests it, it breaks it down into glucose and fructose before breaking it down further.  So chemically there is virtually no difference outside of trace other compounds in each from their source materials.



Not exactly. Corn syrup is 50/50 glucose/fructose. High fructose corn syrup is 45/55 glucose/fructose, not that that makes a huge difference. Also HFCS is not sweeter than sucrose. The important part is that the metabolic pathways taken by monosaccharides are slightly different from disaccharides and elicit a different insulin response. That little bond in sucrose makes a bit of difference compared to free fructose and glucose.
 
2014-04-11 06:58:24 AM  
Cocaine is an appetite suppressant. It would even out the calories of soft drinks because you wouldn't eat as much. I say let's put it on all foods!
 
2014-04-11 09:36:14 AM  

downstairs: Farnn: While HFCS was added to a lot of foods in the 80s and on, there were a lot of other changes that happened too.

And I hate to be "that guy"... but just eating more.  God, now I am gonna be "that guy" but I'll let it rip.  When I was a kid in the 80's it was a treat to get an oreo or a whole $0.50 to get a candy bar.  Now I see my sister's kid and his friends (he's 5)... and they're allowed to eat *anything* they want, all day long.  Seriously stuffing their faces with whatever they want.  Its kinda gross.


Don't worry about being "that guy," because what you're saying is absolutely true. And I say this as a guy who dropped 40 pounds simply by putting less food in my mouth on a daily basis. Portions matter, and portion control is a big deal. Our kids eat everything, but not every day, and in small amounts. There are no "forbidden foods". And it's working really, really well.
 
2014-04-11 10:20:46 AM  

kbronsito: Cocaine is an appetite suppressant. It would even out the calories of soft drinks because you wouldn't eat as much. I say let's put it on all foods!


Speaking of appetite suppressants, i bet the rise in obesity correlates pretty well with the drop in smoking.
 
2014-04-11 12:36:37 PM  
Article doesn't note that root beer used to contain sassafras (safrole oil) until 1960.
 
2014-04-11 01:56:05 PM  
Probably worse for you now.
 
2014-04-11 02:14:13 PM  

433: I think it is certainly an important item of note, but I would not want to grant too much gravity to higher amounts of added sugars in the role of obesity. That isn't to say it isn't important, of course. I think that an increase in consumption of processed foods high in fat is equally important, if not greater. Microwaves, convenience, a departure from planned meals, increases in restaurant patronage... There are so many factors involved in the rise of childhood obesity and obesity beyond childhood that I, as someone who is most certainly not an expert, probably shouldn't be adding too much, if any, commentary. Something definitely changed, and while many things can be identified, I wouldn't pin it heavily on one issue.


You have this backwards completely.  The body can be counter-intuitive at times.  We are finding that dietary fat itself really isn't that significant a factor in obesity.  Dietary fat doesn't automatically become body fat the way we assumed it did for generations.  High fat diets will give you more energy though so if you happen to work out too - you can loose weight by ingesting more fat rather than calories from carbs.  Carbohydrates (especially simple carbs like sugars) however do become body fat more readily.  This has been shown in studies, and is the basic premise behind diets like Atkins, South Beach, Paleo, etc.  Cutting carbs(especially sugars) works.  The Paleo diet actually recommends more fats.

Wrap your brain around this.  I quit soda entirely.  All the while I didn't work out, and ate Hardees(in some places called Carl's Jr) everyday at work and all that processed microwave/deep frier junk at night.  I LOST weight.  To be exact I lost 6 inches off my waist in less than 2 months.  I have kept it off for over 2 years as I have not had a soda since.  Turns out it wasn't the high fat holding me back.  It was the sugary water.
 
2014-04-11 02:32:34 PM  

kbronsito: Cocaine is an appetite suppressant. It would even out the calories of soft drinks because you wouldn't eat as much. I say let's put it on all foods!


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I know, right?

Farnn: I know sugar is a broad term, but when you look at the chemistry, cane sugar and HFCS are the same.


I would concede they have the same calorie count but they are not completely the same.  There are differences where the body is concerned.  HFCS does not transport quite as easily across the small intestine.  It takes additional ATP for the task and can in some cases lead to intestinal damage as a result.  Not a problem really until you overdo it.  I know a girl who had much of her intestines removed because her Mt Dew diet ate holes in her intestines.

The other difference is a bigger concern for most people.  HFCS is many times sweeter than cane sugar.  Being otherwise chemically identical this is a problem.  Your intestines and pancreas rely on sensors not much dissimilar from your tongue's own sweetness sensors.  So your body judges how much insulin to dump into your blood stream as a result of detecting this sweetness.  This is an even bigger concern with artificial sweeteners but still of concern with HFCS.

The net result is this.  Your body dumps too much insulin, lowering blood sugar.  That has 2 effects.  It will promote undue hunger.  Also over time this can contribute to higher insulin resistance - aka type 2 diabetes.

Yes HFCS is worse than sugar and should be avoided.
 
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