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(Huffington Post)   Million Pit Bull March is organized for Washington DC. Guess what isn't allowed at the March? Pit Bulls   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 102
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2014-04-10 06:08:51 PM  
Are pits allowed? How about bulls? Can you throw the bulls in the pits?
 
2014-04-10 06:09:20 PM  
That's ok. Bring your chihuahua and anyone reporting on the event won't know the difference.
 
2014-04-10 06:22:13 PM  
There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it
 
2014-04-10 06:40:34 PM  
I think I would rather deal with a million pit bulls than a million pit bull owners.
 
2014-04-10 06:52:50 PM  
www.becomesingers.com
A million of these?

I hope the INS shows up.
 
2014-04-10 07:20:53 PM  
Mixed messages much?
 
2014-04-10 07:58:28 PM  
Oh please bring them. Please please bring them.
 
2014-04-10 08:02:17 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


Wild dogs can be very bad.
 
2014-04-10 08:03:37 PM  
It kinda makes sense...even if 99℅ was perfectly behaved, the 1% could quickly cause a bloodbath that would go viral and destroy any chance they have of getting there message across.
 
2014-04-10 08:04:24 PM  
Just stop calling them Pitt bulls and start calling them American Bull terriers and be done with it.

Or, "Nanny dog"
 
2014-04-10 08:04:39 PM  
1 million pibble march? It be funnier if the b's were d's and it was 1 million piddle march.
 
2014-04-10 08:05:08 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.
 
2014-04-10 08:09:25 PM  
"... and neither can can the featured speakers, whose ranks include the human parents of famous pit bulls..."

Um, does anyone know how THIS works? I only took a semester of college biology, but this sounds a little fishy...
 
2014-04-10 08:11:23 PM  

VladTheEmailer: It kinda makes sense...even if 99℅ was perfectly behaved, the 1% could quickly cause a bloodbath that would go viral and destroy any chance they have of getting there message across.


It's ironic, but I see the point as well.. Even well behaved dogs won't like hanging out with other well behaved dogs if they're confined... All it would take is one dog fight before the anti's were all over it.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-04-10 08:22:43 PM  
What a colossal waste of time.
 
2014-04-10 08:23:27 PM  

Mikey1969: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.


I've met some very friendly put bulls too, but I've also met some sketchy ones and the sketchy ones have been a lot more sketchy and unpredictable than other oddball dogs. Raised right, pit bulls can be fine dogs, but it seems to take a bit more effort to raise one right.

I would never, under any circumstances take someone's pet from them or destroy an animal based on breed. I do wish people wouldn't breed so many pit bulls and related dogs.

Really I think people shouldn't breed any dogs at all as long as we have such high numbers of homeless dogs. Purebreds tend to be heavily inbred anyway.
 
2014-04-10 08:23:30 PM  
But the march is still on for the million neanderthug pit bulls owners, right?

Everyone's pit bull is well behaved...until they have that psychotic break and maul to death the neighbor's niece. They should all be destroyed. They are a nuisance with no redeeming quality whatsoever.
 
2014-04-10 08:23:40 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


I am willing to accept that. However, when one of these bad owners creates a vicious killer by keeping them tied up all the time and smacking them around, then you have to accept that the dog must be put down. It is true that it is not the dogs fault and it is not about punishing the dog. It is about the welfare of the others (humans and dogs) around it.
 
2014-04-10 08:24:38 PM  
Excluded by the organizer who thinks people can't control their dogs:

"Most controversial is Corry's decision to exclude dogs from the event -- a choice she has repeatedly, exasperatedly addressed on Facebook, on the phone, in emails, in interviews and in this blog post, which focused on the dangers inherent in bringing lots of dogs of any breed together into what could be a stressful situation."

That about sums it up.

/Likes pets
//Doesn't always trust the owners
 
2014-04-10 08:28:29 PM  
Will there be a million Fighting Chicken march as well?
 
2014-04-10 08:30:28 PM  
the problem is how much stronger those breeds of dogs are..if the average person cannot easily fend off an attack from one then concerned people have a point

/i've pet a very nice domesticated bobcat, but i wouldn't have one as a pet myself
 
2014-04-10 08:30:55 PM  

FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?


You want to have a march while navigating around a million dog turds?
 
2014-04-10 08:32:37 PM  

SwiftFox: Will there be a million Fighting Chicken march as well?


There are no bad cocks, just bad owners.
 
2014-04-10 08:40:08 PM  
Are parolees or midgets allowed?
 
2014-04-10 08:41:22 PM  
SevenizGud:Everyone's pit bull is well behaved...until they have that psychotic break and maul to death the neighbor's niece. They should all be destroyed. They are a nuisance with no redeeming quality whatsoever.
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 08:42:01 PM  
Everyone at a medium-sized rally bringing their dogs would be a stupid idea even if everyone had a golden retriever.  A thousand excited dogs in an unfamiliar place surrounded by strange dogs isn't likely to end well.
 
2014-04-10 08:48:21 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Everyone at a medium-sized rally bringing their dogs would be a stupid idea even if everyone had a golden retriever.  A thousand excited dogs in an unfamiliar place surrounded by strange dogs isn't likely to end well.


I know! Could you imagine 100 golden retrievers descending all at once on the reflecting pool to grab some unsuspecting geese? The slobber would be horrendous! And all those mangled frisbees! The horror!
 
2014-04-10 08:51:06 PM  

Son of Thunder: FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?

You want to have a march while navigating around a million dog turds?


So you're saying the owners wouldn't be responsible enough to pick up their dog's poop?
 
2014-04-10 08:52:34 PM  
Just make people register and insure the damn things.  Let the actuaries decide if the breed is more dangerous than any other, or not.  Same way my car insurance is more expensive if I choose one with a turbo charger in it.
 
2014-04-10 08:52:35 PM  
Outraged and hateful over this snub:
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-10 08:53:42 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Jim_Callahan: Everyone at a medium-sized rally bringing their dogs would be a stupid idea even if everyone had a golden retriever.  A thousand excited dogs in an unfamiliar place surrounded by strange dogs isn't likely to end well.

I know! Could you imagine 100 golden retrievers descending all at once on the reflecting pool to grab some unsuspecting geese? The slobber would be horrendous! And all those mangled frisbees! The horror!


Actually, the retriever I knew was a cat killer, possum killer, any kind of small critter she could get in her jaws killer.
I'd rather have idiot owners put down than dogs... would stop the issue from reoccurring.
 
2014-04-10 08:54:57 PM  

Mikey1969: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.


Wow, you know one whole pit bull that isn't a vicious attack dog? I worked in a large cat sanctuary one summer and I was able to pet a tiger that didn't tear my head off. That must mean tigers aren't vicious and I can keep one as a pet.
/certain animals have reputations for a reason
 
2014-04-10 08:56:23 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


I would say that is true about pit bulls. They seem to have a naturally friendly and sociable temperament from all I have been around. You have to train them to be mean.

Some dog breeds don't have that naturally good temperament though, such as shelties, collies, dobermans and german shepherds.
 
2014-04-10 08:57:50 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Son of Thunder: FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?

You want to have a march while navigating around a million dog turds?

So you're saying the owners wouldn't be responsible enough to pick up their dog's poop?


Who could tell which is theirs in all the hubbub?

Beside, if we assume a million dogs and a 95% poop-scooping success rate, that's still 50,000 turds. Still not liking those odds.
 
2014-04-10 08:58:25 PM  
www.mikechurch.com

\"lipstick"
 
2014-04-10 08:58:58 PM  
Sigh...missed a rare opportunity to consolidate these thug dogs and their dirtbag owners in one place. Prime time for a house cleaning.
 
2014-04-10 09:02:05 PM  

wesmon: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I would say that is true about pit bulls. They seem to have a naturally friendly and sociable temperament from all I have been around. You have to train them to be mean.

Some dog breeds don't have that naturally good temperament though, such as shelties, collies, dobermans and german shepherds.


Perhaps. I'd have to say all cats can be mean though, and they hardly get trained at all. It's just different when you can pick up the little 12 pound napoleon, turn him upside down, and squish him, while making fun in a baby voice. Can't do that with a 40+ lb dog or cat... not easily.
 
2014-04-10 09:04:27 PM  

DubyaHater: Mikey1969: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.

Wow, you know one whole pit bull that isn't a vicious attack dog? I worked in a large cat sanctuary one summer and I was able to pet a tiger that didn't tear my head off. That must mean tigers aren't vicious and I can keep one as a pet.
/certain animals have reputations for a reason


You're right, cats DO suck.
 
2014-04-10 09:04:31 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


In *almost* every case, yes. It does the animals no good to grant them sainthood. Just like people, there will always be a percentage who aren't wired quite right. But far and away the majority of "bad dogs" are animals that weren't raised and treated right.

Of course, that's also true of humans.
 
2014-04-10 09:07:13 PM  

Son of Thunder: Wake Up Sheeple: Son of Thunder: FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?

You want to have a march while navigating around a million dog turds?

So you're saying the owners wouldn't be responsible enough to pick up their dog's poop?

Who could tell which is theirs in all the hubbub?


How could you not notice your dog pinching a loaf on the end of the leash?

Beside, if we assume a million dogs and a 95% poop-scooping success rate, that's still 50,000 turds. Still not liking those odds.

Once again... so there are irresponsible dog owners out there. It's always the "few" that ruin it for the rest. Which is why the organizer didn't invite dogs to the march.
 
2014-04-10 09:10:17 PM  
 wesmon: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I would say that is true about pit bulls. They seem to have a naturally friendly and sociable temperament from all I have been around. You have to train them to be mean.

Some dog breeds don't have that naturally good temperament though, such as shelties, collies, dobermans and german shepherds.

Perhaps. I'd have to say all cats can be mean though, and they hardly get trained at all. It's just different when you can pick up the little 12 pound napoleon, turn him upside down, and squish him, while making fun in a baby voice. Can't do that with a 40+ lb dog or cat... not easily.

Wake Up Sheeple:
wesmon: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I would say that is true about pit bulls. They seem to have a naturally friendly and sociable temperament from all I have been around. You have to train them to be mean.

Some dog breeds don't have that naturally good temperament though, such as shelties, collies, dobermans and german shepherds.

Perhaps. I'd have to say all cats can be mean though, and they hardly get trained at all. It's just different when you can pick up the little 12 pound napoleon, turn him upside down, and squish him, while making fun in a baby voice. Can't do that with a 40+ lb dog or cat... not easily.


Cats do get trained though, depending on how they are treated and the environment they grow up in. And cats do have different personality tendencies based on breed just like dogs.

I'd rather deal with an angry small dog than an angry cat though. When my 18 pound Maine Coon got pissed off he could be a real challenge even for a person.
 
2014-04-10 09:11:02 PM  
Wow, not sure how that post got so messed up.
 
2014-04-10 09:11:41 PM  

FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?


Not at all. Remember the gleeful Fark post a few years back about the helmet-less motorcyclist who died in an accident at a motorcycle rally against helmet laws?

Regardless of breed, you can't bring together a ton of dogs that don't know each other, especially at an event with lots of standing in one place for hours with lots of sudden loud noises. Hell, even dog parks are a risk; at the one I go to, a pit bull (ironically) sustained $1400 in injuries just a few weeks ago after a dog attacked it without provocation.
 
2014-04-10 09:13:53 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.


Agreed.

While I expect breed specific regulations to be relaxed eventually, I suspect that they may be replaced by stricter rules overall for all breeds.

I see a lot of neglect towards dogs, and the dogs misbehave as a result.  I also see a lot of small breed owners who fail to socialize their dogs properly, resulting in hyper-aggression.  The latter issue is compounded by the fur child mentality that some of the owners have adopted, which makes them difficult to work with.

Based off of my own anecdotal experience, I'd say that about a third of all current dog owners should be banned from ever owning a pet ever again.  They give responsible owners a bad name.
 
2014-04-10 09:14:49 PM  

433: What a colossal waste of time.


Really? Go on: tell us your special interest so we can make fun of it. Oh right I forgot: last Tuesday it was announced that the world is all about *you*.

Jackass.
 
2014-04-10 09:15:32 PM  

brimed03: FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?

Not at all. Remember the gleeful Fark post a few years back about the helmet-less motorcyclist who died in an accident at a motorcycle rally against helmet laws?

Regardless of breed, you can't bring together a ton of dogs that don't know each other, especially at an event with lots of standing in one place for hours with lots of sudden loud noises. Hell, even dog parks are a risk; at the one I go to, a pit bull (ironically) sustained $1400 in injuries just a few weeks ago after a dog attacked it without provocation.


$1400? What did they pay for it originally? $50? Free? Why didn't the insurance company just total it out? If no insurance, it could've been brought to the ER and treated for free.

I'm sorry, I can't type that with a straight face. I tried.
 
2014-04-10 09:18:00 PM  

James10952001: Mikey1969: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.

I've met some very friendly put bulls too, but I've also met some sketchy ones and the sketchy ones have been a lot more sketchy and unpredictable than other oddball dogs. Raised right, pit bulls can be fine dogs, but it seems to take a bit more effort to raise one right.

I would never, under any circumstances take someone's pet from them or destroy an animal based on breed. I do wish people wouldn't breed so many pit bulls and related dogs.

Really I think people shouldn't breed any dogs at all as long as we have such high numbers of homeless dogs. Purebreds tend to be heavily inbred anyway.


Didja know that pit bulls used to be called "nanny dogs" because they were one of the most popular breeds for watching infants and toddlers?

Pit bulls do not take extra special effort to raise. But people do need to raise them right. Like ANY dog.
 
2014-04-10 09:20:37 PM  

Dinjiin: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

Agreed.

While I expect breed specific regulations to be relaxed eventually, I suspect that they may be replaced by stricter rules overall for all breeds.

I see a lot of neglect towards dogs, and the dogs misbehave as a result.  I also see a lot of small breed owners who fail to socialize their dogs properly, resulting in hyper-aggression.  The latter issue is compounded by the fur child mentality that some of the owners have adopted, which makes them difficult to work with.

Based off of my own anecdotal experience, I'd say that about a third of all current dog owners should be banned from ever owning a pet ever again.  They give responsible owners a bad name.


Yeah, it's even worse with pit bulls. The shelters are overrun with pits because the idiots who buy pit bulls because of the status symbol and the want for a mean dog are the same people who quickly grow bored with the responsibility and drop the dog off at the pound.
 
2014-04-10 09:21:03 PM  

SevenizGud: But the march is still on for the million neanderthug pit bulls owners, right?

Everyone's pit bull is well behaved...until they have that psychotic break and maul to death the neighbor's niece. They should all be destroyed. They are a nuisance with no redeeming quality whatsoever.


-1/10. So horribly obvious you should be bitten on the ass by a German shep-- doberma-- rottweil-- wait, which media-demonized breed are we on this decade? Still pit bulls?
 
2014-04-10 09:21:23 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


Statistically this isn't true.
 
2014-04-10 09:23:06 PM  
www.csmonitor.com
And folks dont forget to Circumsize your Pitbull!


/need to work guns in there as well to make the ultimate thread.
 
2014-04-10 09:26:23 PM  

brimed03: James10952001: Mikey1969: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.

I've met some very friendly put bulls too, but I've also met some sketchy ones and the sketchy ones have been a lot more sketchy and unpredictable than other oddball dogs. Raised right, pit bulls can be fine dogs, but it seems to take a bit more effort to raise one right.

I would never, under any circumstances take someone's pet from them or destroy an animal based on breed. I do wish people wouldn't breed so many pit bulls and related dogs.

Really I think people shouldn't breed any dogs at all as long as we have such high numbers of homeless dogs. Purebreds tend to be heavily inbred anyway.

Didja know that pit bulls used to be called "nanny dogs" because they were one of the most popular breeds for watching infants and toddlers?

Pit bulls do not take extra special effort to raise. But people do need to raise them right. Like ANY dog.


Your experience with pit bulls is noted, but please don't continue spreading a falsehood. It hurts the cause. Even a pit bull advocacy group has disavowed it.

"UPDATE 5/21/13: Two years and nine months after the Nanny Dog Myth Revealed was first published, BAD RAP, a major pit bull advocacy group publicly announced that it will no longer support the Nanny Dog myth because it endangers children.  While it is too late for many children, hopefully many will be saved in the future.  Thank you, BAD RAP"

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/nanny-dog-myth-rev ea led.html
http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2011/06/vintage-pit-bull-p ho tos-prove-what.html
 
2014-04-10 09:29:02 PM  

twiztedjustin: Are parolees or midgets allowed?


Moopy Mac: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

Statistically this isn't true.


Dude, this is FARK.  if they want to believe that a killing machine is a unicorn, let them have their moment.
 
2014-04-10 09:31:15 PM  

A_Glass_Of_Pink: twiztedjustin: Are parolees or midgets allowed?

Moopy Mac: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

Statistically this isn't true.

Dude, this is FARK.  if they want to believe that a killing machine is a unicorn, let them have their moment.


I mean, there is little chance you will be murdered in Caracas, but Tokyo is still a lot safer.
 
2014-04-10 09:46:21 PM  

BBtB: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I am willing to accept that. However, when one of these bad owners creates a vicious killer by keeping them tied up all the time and smacking them around, then you have to accept that the dog must be put down. It is true that it is not the dogs fault and it is not about punishing the dog. It is about the welfare of the others (humans and dogs) around it.


Exactly.

I'd love to ban animal abusers from owning pets, but it is logistically impossible and would accomplish nothing.

And I have a pit.  He's a good dog for the most part (the squirrels drive him up the wall, and he'll anal gland all over the carpet sometimes when he sees one), but I don't trust other people's dogs, pit, lab, yorkie, even papillions.  I've been bit by "nice" dogs before.

Hell, I see more pit bulls in my middle class white suburban neighborhood than labs.
 
2014-04-10 09:57:52 PM  

bdub77: [www.becomesingers.com image 400x400]
A million of these?

I hope the INS shows up.



CULO!
 
2014-04-10 10:21:34 PM  
Look in Wikipedia for "Fatal dog attacks in the United States" Pick a year... Notice Pit Bull appears
rather often?
 
2014-04-10 10:36:58 PM  

brimed03: 433: What a colossal waste of time.

Really? Go on: tell us your special interest so we can make fun of it. Oh right I forgot: last Tuesday it was announced that the world is all about *you*.

Jackass.


No, last Tuesday was "Lighten Up Francis" Day. Apparently you missed it.
 
2014-04-10 10:46:32 PM  

brimed03: Didja know that pit bulls used to be called "nanny dogs" because they were one of the most popular breeds for watching infants and toddlers?


Only an absolute idiot would leave an infant or toddler alone with any dog.

A quick google also suggests that the "Nanny Dog" nickname is a myth.
 
2014-04-10 10:46:37 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: brimed03: James10952001: Mikey1969: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.

I've met some very friendly put bulls too, but I've also met some sketchy ones and the sketchy ones have been a lot more sketchy and unpredictable than other oddball dogs. Raised right, pit bulls can be fine dogs, but it seems to take a bit more effort to raise one right.

I would never, under any circumstances take someone's pet from them or destroy an animal based on breed. I do wish people wouldn't breed so many pit bulls and related dogs.

Really I think people shouldn't breed any dogs at all as long as we have such high numbers of homeless dogs. Purebreds tend to be heavily inbred anyway.

Didja know that pit bulls used to be called "nanny dogs" because they were one of the most popular breeds for watching infants and toddlers?

Pit bulls do not take extra special effort to raise. But people do need to raise them right. Like ANY dog.

Your experience with pit bulls is noted, but please don't continue spreading a falsehood. It hurts the cause. Even a pit bull advocacy group has disavowed it.

"UPDATE 5/21/13: Two years and nine months after the Nanny Dog Myth Revealed was first published, BAD RAP, a major pit bull advocacy group publicly announced that it will no longer support the Nanny Dog myth because it endangers children.  While it is too late for many children, hopefully many will be saved in the future.  Thank you, BAD RAP"

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/nanny-dog-myth-rev ea led.html
http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2011/06/vintage-pit-bull-p ho tos-prove-what.html


A few years ago, a pregnant BAD RAP member was mauled to death by her "cherished family companion," which was later shot dead by police.  The woman's idiot husband defended the dog, claiming that "it was just a freak accident," and buried his wife with her killer's ashes.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_18671143

http://badrap-blog.blogspot.com/2011/08/reflections-on-case-in-pacif ic a-ca.html
 
2014-04-10 10:52:28 PM  
InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


Yep. Pit bulls can be some of the most loving creatures on the planet, just like any dog.
Though I'm still waiting to hear about someone training a killer dachshund. No one would EVER see that one coming!
 
2014-04-10 11:09:14 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


You're so wrong this page had to be paginated to even out all the wrong.
 
2014-04-10 11:24:03 PM  
All the pits i know are wonderful dogs, much better behaved than my terrier mix. The difference is, i dont think our terrier could break skin if she tried, and she does, she gets started and attacks our feet at least one night a week. Ill be the first to admit shes poorly trained, weve had her for less than half her life, but the thing is, no matter how poorly trained, most breeds cant rip out your throat. 

My buddy was watching his uncles rottweiler one time when i was over, big goofy dog, total sweetheart. Well, shortly after i had flopped down on the couch and put my feet up, he decided we werent done playing and grabbed me by my shoe and dragged me off the couch, and i am not a small man. Its ludicrous to deny that big powerful dogs CAN be dangerous, im not saying ban them or anything, but they should be treated with caution and respect, like a firearm.
 
2014-04-10 11:24:30 PM  
kling_klang_bed:

Yep. Pit bulls can be some of the most loving creatures on the planet, just like any dog.
Though I'm still waiting to hear about someone training a killer dachshund. No one would EVER see that one coming!


I'd believe it:

"The standard size dachshund was bred to scent, chase, and flush out badgers and other burrow-dwelling animals, while the miniature dachshund was developed to hunt smaller prey such as rabbits."

Standard size dachschund don't give a shiat.
 
2014-04-10 11:27:10 PM  

Delta1212: That's ok. Bring your chihuahua and anyone reporting on the event won't know the difference.


We really need one of those "AK-47 for the Media" charts, except for pit bulls.
 
2014-04-10 11:38:28 PM  

SevenizGud: But the march is still on for the million neanderthug pit bulls owners, right?

Everyone's pit bull is well behaved...until they have that psychotic break and maul to death the neighbor's niece. They should all be destroyed. They are a nuisance with no redeeming quality whatsoever.


You should be to, but so much hope, so little action
 
2014-04-10 11:38:40 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it


What if a toddler is torn to pieces by ownerless feral dogs?
Bad dogs or bad owners?
 
2014-04-10 11:48:18 PM  

Bonobo62: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

What if a toddler is torn to pieces by ownerless feral dogs?
Bad dogs or bad owners?


What if a toddler is torn to pieces by any wild animal, duh? That's a really stupid question.
 
2014-04-10 11:48:39 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Everyone at a medium-sized rally bringing their dogs would be a stupid idea even if everyone had a golden retriever.  A thousand excited dogs in an unfamiliar place surrounded by strange dogs isn't likely to end well.


I've done an annual dog walk in Austin in which thousands of leashed dogs and their owners are in very close quarters. Never once seen a fight break out.
 
2014-04-10 11:50:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Bonobo62: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

What if a toddler is torn to pieces by ownerless feral dogs?
Bad dogs or bad owners?

What if a toddler is torn to pieces by any wild animal, duh? That's a really stupid question.


It was meant to be a stupid question, since it was questioning an even stupider claim.
 
2014-04-11 12:17:29 AM  

Mikey1969: I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.


Sigfried & Roy used to prance tigers back and forth on the stage until one of them bit Roy in the neck because it was a f*cking tiger.  I'm sure that tiger was one of the best, most well-behaved, gentlest tigers you'd ever meet until it bit Roy in the neck.
 
2014-04-11 12:21:47 AM  

meat0918: BBtB: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

I am willing to accept that. However, when one of these bad owners creates a vicious killer by keeping them tied up all the time and smacking them around, then you have to accept that the dog must be put down. It is true that it is not the dogs fault and it is not about punishing the dog. It is about the welfare of the others (humans and dogs) around it.

Exactly.

I'd love to ban animal abusers from owning pets, but it is logistically impossible and would accomplish nothing.

And I have a pit.  He's a good dog for the most part (the squirrels drive him up the wall, and he'll anal gland all over the carpet sometimes when he sees one), but I don't trust other people's dogs, pit, lab, yorkie, even papillions.  I've been bit by "nice" dogs before.

Hell, I see more pit bulls in my middle class white suburban neighborhood than labs.


Anal.   Except its gross, has the consistency of peanut butter, and you get nothing from it (although she doesn't ever, anyway).
 
2014-04-11 12:24:58 AM  

syrynxx: Mikey1969: I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.

Sigfried & Roy used to prance tigers back and forth on the stage until one of them bit Roy in the neck because it was a f*cking tiger.  I'm sure that tiger was one of the best, most well-behaved, gentlest tigers you'd ever meet until it bit Roy in the neck.


Good thing we're not talking about Tigers then, because I'd look really farking silly right about now...
 
2014-04-11 12:31:53 AM  
I have a pitbull. This beyond stupid. This is the worthest cause they could think of. Just stay home. Morons.
 
2014-04-11 01:22:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Delta1212: That's ok. Bring your chihuahua and anyone reporting on the event won't know the difference.

We really need one of those "AK-47 for the Media" charts, except for pit bulls.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-11 06:17:06 AM  

Son of Thunder: FriarReb98: Mixed messages much?

You want to have a march while navigating around a million dog turds?


Nope. This is Fark, if I didn't say it someone else would, one way or another. It's just a stupid idea to do this is all. Best part is, someone, somewhere, is gonna try to bring one anyway and we'll hear about it for the stupidity it'll start.
 
2014-04-11 08:36:08 AM  

HairyNevus: SevenizGud:Everyone's pit bull is well behaved...until they have that psychotic break and maul to death the neighbor's niece. They should all be destroyed. They are a nuisance with no redeeming quality whatsoever.
[img.fark.net image 279x267]


I didn't see that as a troll, just an unpopular opinion.  Add in Dobermans and Rottweilers, and I would vote for that guy.
 
2014-04-11 09:19:40 AM  
Why is it so hard to accept that a breed bred for blood sports might, deep down, have an instinct to attack?

I'm sure pit bulls can be very loving. The attacking pit bulls probably don't even realize what they're doing. They're simply acting on an instinct that was triggered by unknown stimulus.

Everyone accepts that you can't stop a border collie from herding. Little animals and children frolicking around in all directions will activate herding behavior, even if the dog hasn't ever been instructed to herd in it's life. That's what collies and herders have been bred to do for centuries.

No one is surprised that you cannot pull a scent hound like a basset or a blood hound from a trail. These dogs have died of exhaustion while following a trail. It's been intensely bred into their brains.

How many Labrador owners or owners of another retriever breed have had every object in their house brought to them by the dog without prompting? Retrieving has been bred into them.

So yes, your pit bull loves you. It's the best dog you've ever had. But there is the potential for an old instinct in your dog to be triggered and acted upon.
 
2014-04-11 09:39:05 AM  

Dr. Tuttle: Why is it so hard to accept that a breed bred for blood sports might, deep down, have an instinct to attack?


Because that breeding also included breeding out any aggressiveness towards humans. Think about it, if you have a big game dog, which the breed originated as, and it is holding on to a wild boar to wear it down and keep it place until you get close to finish the boar off, when you pull the dog off the boar to get it clear of the death blow, it is still in a frenzied state from the chase/hunt, you want it to chill out quickly. It smells you, feels your hands on it and knows that it doesn't need to be high energy anymore. This held true when the breed was used later in bull baiting and then later in pit fighting other dogs. If you need to pull the dog off of another dog, you want it to chill out right away, and so you breed in a passivity towards humans.

What happens when you get a pit to bite a human is that you have broken their breeding, not their training, their breeding. They weren't bred the same as guard dog breeds such as German Shepards, Rottweilers, Dobermans, where they have developed the instinctual understanding that they can bite this person, but not that person. Pit breeds were developed to not bite anyone.

People forget in this age of luxury and superficial desire for dogs that all the breeds were developed for a purpose, most of which are obsolete aside from the toys and aristocratic breeds e.g. the Pekingese, which were bred purposefully to have too short front legs so it would be hard for them to get away from their owners. People buy dogs today the same way they buy shoes, their only consideration being whether they match their outfit or style. The heights of vanity involving another living creature boggles the mind.
 
2014-04-11 09:39:06 AM  
One of the sweetest dogs I ever knew was a pit bull named Cromwell.  His weakness was butter rum Life Savers.  When I visited, I always brought some for him.  Once I came over and got involved with something and did not give him his Life Saver first thing like I usually did, so he took matters into his own jaws and shredded my purse (leather) looking for them.

I live in an urban neighborhood and it drives me batshiat that so many idiots own huge dogs in an area where there is no room for them to run around.  If you keep a pit bull or any other large dog in a one-bedroom apartment all day--or, worse, crate it--of course it's going to go nuts when it gets outside.  Add in that a lot of people believe their animal to be perfectly trained and won't run off when unleashed, and I've seen a lot of bloody dog fights in my time here.  Richmond has leash laws but unless there's a cop in the parks 24/7 it won't get enforced.  I've been rushed three times.  Once the dog's tail was wagging so I knew it was friendly (and she was).  The other two, however, had bared teeth and flattened ears.  I managed to head one off by yelling BACK! but the other one got a solid boot to the stomach ... and the owner whined that he was "just being friendly."  I said "I've never known a friendly dog to bare its teeth and growl."  I may own cats now but I've had dogs.  I never blame them for bad behavior, I blame their retarded owners who won't discipline them and/or realize that it's not a "furkid" but an animal.
 
2014-04-11 09:50:01 AM  
Valid point, Quirk, but would you agree that with the thousands of irresponsible backyard breeders and the sub-par owners looking for that pit bull mystique, perhaps the standard of the breed and its expected behavior has been greatly tainted ?
 
2014-04-11 09:58:05 AM  

Dr. Tuttle: Valid point, Quirk, but would you agree that with the thousands of irresponsible backyard breeders and the sub-par owners looking for that pit bull mystique, perhaps the standard of the breed and its expected behavior has been greatly tainted ?


Totally, hence my original point which has touched so many uninformed nerves in this thread. It would be nice if the AKC folks stopped preserving obsolete breeds and started developing new breeds that are more fitting to our sedentary/suburbanized lives as Marisyana noted. I know the idea of not having pets is beyond the scope of people's conception right now.
 
2014-04-11 10:09:04 AM  
I understand the logic behind your original post now,but when I first read it I assumed you were one of those "pibble" people.
 
2014-04-11 11:05:09 AM  

Dr. Tuttle: Valid point, Quirk, but would you agree that with the thousands of irresponsible backyard breeders and the sub-par owners looking for that pit bull mystique, perhaps the standard of the breed and its expected behavior has been greatly tainted ?


Nowhere near enough to define the breed overall.  Even the dogs that were  trained to attack can be just the same be trained not to attack and become lovable creatures that we know most dogs to be -see this example regarding the rescued dogs from Michael Vick's doggie death camp. These dogs were horribly abused, but are now in fantastic shape and are well-behaved family dogs.

During that whole era where pit bulls were trained to be fighting dogs, they were also being trained to be Nanny Dogs watching over the kids in families that had over a dozen children (which was typical during that time) while the parents were away working or doing house chores.
 
2014-04-11 11:34:21 AM  

Deftoons: Dr. Tuttle: Valid point, Quirk, but would you agree that with the thousands of irresponsible backyard breeders and the sub-par owners looking for that pit bull mystique, perhaps the standard of the breed and its expected behavior has been greatly tainted ?

Nowhere near enough to define the breed overall.  Even the dogs that were  trained to attack can be just the same be trained not to attack and become lovable creatures that we know most dogs to be -see this example regarding the rescued dogs from Michael Vick's doggie death camp. These dogs were horribly abused, but are now in fantastic shape and are well-behaved family dogs.

During that whole era where pit bulls were trained to be fighting dogs, they were also being trained to be Nanny Dogs watching over the kids in families that had over a dozen children (which was typical during that time) while the parents were away working or doing house chores.



Cutesy dog and child photos like that are incredibly irresponsible. That seems like a ticking time bomb situation. The "Nanny Dog" myth has already been dispelled in this thread.
 
2014-04-11 11:49:00 AM  
Wow, 'pibble' is a word I never want to hear again, especially after finding out what it means.
 
2014-04-11 12:17:10 PM  
Dr. Tuttle:

Cutesy dog and child photos like that are incredibly irresponsible. That seems like a ticking time bomb situation. The "Nanny Dog" myth has already been dispelled in this thread.


Hardly irresponsible, and that so-called "myth" very poorly dispelled.  The only reason why that advocacy group backpedaled from the term nanny dog was because they don't want any child left alone with any dog - but that does not refute the fact that Pit Bulls were the go-to family dog and were, indeed, left alone with children or played with children throughout history for many many years, even if said practice isn't endorsed today with any dog breed.

That's where the term "Nanny dog" comes from, because of that role they played in American and English history.

Was there a huge child holocaust from Pit Bulls that happened during that time to which the majority of the public wasn't aware of?  Or were all those documented pictures just a large manufactured lie?
 
2014-04-11 12:43:59 PM  

Deftoons: Dr. Tuttle:

Cutesy dog and child photos like that are incredibly irresponsible. That seems like a ticking time bomb situation. The "Nanny Dog" myth has already been dispelled in this thread.


"Hardly irresponsible..."


What then is responsible about letting a baby stick its fingers in a newly rehabilitated dog's mouth for the sake of a photo? OR for any reason? Or in any dog's mouth?

"That's where the term "Nanny dog" comes from, because of that role they played in American and English history."

Please send a link to a time appropriate document that refers to the dog as such. The only things I can find are some "pibble" blogs that have posted antique photos of children posing with the dogs. It seems they've drawn their own conclusions.

"Was there a huge child holocaust from Pit Bulls that happened during that time to which the majority of the public wasn't aware of?  Or were all those documented pictures just a large manufactured lie?"

There probably were bites. Reports probably weren't filed. Reports may have been lost in the last 100 years. They're just pictures of dogs with children. Not evidence that the dog was a nanny. And speaking of the pit bulls of 100 years ago, when you joined the conversation we were just speculating how maybe the breed standard has warped since then due to improper breeding.

Okay, is this an acceptable place to say I used to do illustration while living in Wisconsin, and through the grapevine I've come across your work and I do like it. We even have a mutual facebook friend.
 
2014-04-11 01:46:16 PM  
Dr. Tuttle:

What then is responsible about letting a baby stick its fingers in a newly rehabilitated dog's mouth for the sake of a photo? OR for any reason? Or in any dog's mouth?

"That's where the term "Nanny dog" comes from, because of that role they played in American and English history."

Please send a link to a time appropriate document that refers to the dog as such. The only things I can find are some "pibble" blogs that have posted antique photos of children posing with the dogs. It seems they've drawn their own conclusions.

"Was there a huge child holocaust from Pit Bulls that happened during that time to which the majority of the public wasn't aware of?  Or were all those documented pictures just a large manufactured lie?"

There probably were bites. Reports probably weren't filed. Reports may have been lost in the last 100 years. They're just pictures of dogs with children. Not evidence that the dog was a nanny. And speaking of the pit bulls of 100 years ago, when you joined the conversation we were just speculating how maybe the breed standard has warped since then due to improper breeding.

Okay, is this an acceptable place to say I used to do illustration while living in Wisconsin, and through the grapevine I've come across your work and I do like it. We even have a mutual facebook friend.


I trust the owners of the dog have trained the Pit Bull well enough in controlled situations that they felt it safe for the baby to be next to the pup.  If I'm wrong, then I'll agree with you. :-)

As for your statement on bites, you give the benefit of the doubt that bites occurred yet was never reported, but the nanny dog part in history is still a myth despite (at least some) documented evidence?

For your last statement, thank you!  Do you have a website of some of your work I can check out?  I'm currently illustrating Doggie Dreams for iBooks, a series about dogs educating kids about the roles dogs had in various parts in history around the globe.

And as you can guess, I am an owner of a Pit.
 
2014-04-11 02:25:18 PM  
Deftoons:

For your last statement, thank you!  Do you have a website of some of your work I can check out?  I'm currently illustrating Doggie Dreams for iBooks, a series about dogs educating kids about the roles dogs had in various parts in history around the globe.

Could I email you?
 
2014-04-11 02:48:34 PM  

Dr. Tuttle: Deftoons:

For your last statement, thank you!  Do you have a website of some of your work I can check out?  I'm currently illustrating Doggie Dreams for iBooks, a series about dogs educating kids about the roles dogs had in various parts in history around the globe.

Could I email you?


Of course!  d­eftoons[nospam-﹫-backwards]snootfed*c­om (that's my business email)
 
2014-04-11 09:59:53 PM  
I think we all have dog bite stories, and most of them will involve a breed other than one of the pit bull breeds.

Hubs got pretty badly chewed up as a kid. He had to get stitches for the back of his head. Golden retriever.
I had a dog bite my face when I was six. Nearly got my eye, too. Peekapoo.
My neighbor's chihuahua got out several times and bit my brother when we were growing up. It wasn't anything life threatening, but he had a nasty gash on his ankle.
My daughter was nearly bitten by her aunt's corgi. (This dog will also bark at his own ass he's so stupid. I've seen him do it twice.)

Our town has no leash law, and it's somewhat rural out here, so folks let their dogs roam. I've been growled at and even bitten (nothing serious) a few times. One was a beagle. One was a small brown (I'm guessing) Yorkie mix. I have no idea what the third one was, but it was about the size and build of a dalmatian. The little ones seem to be a bit braver. The lab mix and his German shepherd friend like to just stand there and growl. My offense? I walk through my own front yard to get my mail. You can't round up the dogs for someone to come and pick them up, and by the time someone shows up, they're gone. It's a mess.

My dog (bassett hound mix) got attacked by my in-laws' Aussie shepherd once while we were on vacation. She was eating her own damn food on the other side of the room, and this dog just descended on her. Turns out, the father-in-law likes to tease the shepherd while he's eating at home, so if there's food and anyone or another animal involved, the shepherd had to be completely separated from everyone and everything.

Pretty much everyone in the family has been bitten by my dad's miniature dachshunds. Same reason. My dad likes to tease them while they're eating or if someone comes close and they're sitting in his lap. It's a fun game to him until someone approaches when it's not game time, and the dogs just think it's natural to bite the utter shiate out of anything that comes near him.

Thing is... In absolutely NONE of these situations do I blame the dog, and I do not blame the breed. In every single one of these situations, there are humans to blame-- usually the owners.
 
2014-04-11 10:26:21 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Your experience with pit bulls is noted, but please don't continue spreading a falsehood. It hurts the cause. Even a pit bull advocacy group has disavowed it.


Just as your username doesn't exactly lend credibility to your comments, so too does the name of the (single) source you link detract from any perception that they might be unbiased and credible.  While I grant you that their article is fairly well sourced, the quotes themselves lack sufficient context to judge whether they are used with a heavy editorial slant; certainly, I'm not convinced of the author's impartiality after his use of a drawing from a Dickens novel as evidence.  Either he's being disingenuous, or we also have to accept Oliver Twist as proof that Jews are greedy sociopaths.  Personally, I vote disingenuous.

I'll accept that there may be doubt as to the Nanny Dog story and will be a little more careful about relying on it in the future, but I don't consider it disproven and continue to maintain that pit bulls properly raised and trained by conscientious and experienced owners-- a modifier that applies to virtually every dog breed out there-- make perfectly good family dogs.
 
2014-04-11 10:47:06 PM  

Breech Birth: Look in Wikipedia for "Fatal dog attacks in the United States" Pick a year... Notice Pit Bull appears
rather often?


Know how I know you aren't a researcher?

Statistics-- damned statistics as Disraeli correctly identified the third kind of "lie"-- are a tricky thing and should not be handled by ignorant people.

Let me give you a hypothetical example.  A small group of people take note of an animal called BreechBirthicalis.  Specifically, they note that BreechBirthicalis is an animal of moderate intelligence but tenacious grasp; give it a little something to chew on, no matter how insignificant, and it won't let go.  So they breed BreechBirthicalis for a few generations, picking specifically the most aggressive and tenacious ones; furthermore, they :train" this latter group with beatings and vicious kill-or-be-killed sessions with other BreechBirthicalises.  (For a movie parallel, see the testing on clones in Resident Evil: Extinction.)  They then begin selling these animals to evil people who use them for cage fighting.  Having "tough" BreechBirthicalises becomes a status symbol in various segments of society, many of which do not have people who are experienced animal trainers and who continue to raise their BreechBirthicalises using physical punishment.  Unsurprisingly, these animals become vicious and reports of increased numbers of attacks by this breed begin to rise.  The mainstream media picks up these reports, completely ignores all the contributing factors, and reports that BreechBirthicalises are vicious evil animals that ought to be illegal and euthanized!  This begins a spiral in which owning a BreechBirthicalis becomes even more of a status symbol for those who value the "tough guy" image and beat their animals, who in turn bite more of the species (humans) that are causing them pain and raising them to be vicious.  Mind you, there are other breeds with similar problems, but BreechBirthicalis has become the media world's "Glock" of animals, so people make sure to report BreechBirthicalis attacks while underreporting other breed attacks.  Bottom line: a human-created, human-reported problem results in an unfair reputation for BreechBirthicalis and calls for euthanizing the species.

So you see how stupid it would be to use plain, uninterpreted statistics to determine the fate of BreechBirth-- I mean, pit bulls?
 
2014-04-11 10:52:02 PM  

DrBenway: brimed03: 433: What a colossal waste of time.

Really? Go on: tell us your special interest so we can make fun of it. Oh right I forgot: last Tuesday it was announced that the world is all about *you*.

Jackass.

No, last Tuesday was "Lighten Up Francis" Day. Apparently you missed it.


I just get tired of self-absorbed people who insist a thread is a waste of time if it doesn't appeal to their personal interest.  I'm so very sorry that I am not blessed with your saintly patience and humor, but I'll be sure to submit your name to the Beatification Committee.

tl;dr: F*ck off.
 
2014-04-11 10:57:38 PM  

Target Builder: brimed03: Didja know that pit bulls used to be called "nanny dogs" because they were one of the most popular breeds for watching infants and toddlers?

Only an absolute idiot would leave an infant or toddler alone with any dog.

A quick google also suggests that the "Nanny Dog" nickname is a myth.


Actually, the first page of a "quick google" of the term "Nanny Dog" shows nine results supporting the "Nanny Dog" theory and one that does not.  But go ahead with your 10% evidentiary weight.  There's a one in ten chance I'll be listening.
 
2014-04-11 11:00:46 PM  

kling_klang_bed: InterruptingQuirk: There's no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners.

/oblig
//true
///farkin believe it

Yep. Pit bulls can be some of the most loving creatures on the planet, just like any dog.
Though I'm still waiting to hear about someone training a killer dachshund. No one would EVER see that one coming!


I kid you not: at my local dog park there's a dog that is half dachshund, half german shepard.  Picture a normal GS head and fur over a dachshund body size and shape.  Thing is as hilarious to look at as its conception is mystifying to conceptualize
 
2014-04-11 11:09:58 PM  

LoneCraneFullMoon: Jim_Callahan: Everyone at a medium-sized rally bringing their dogs would be a stupid idea even if everyone had a golden retriever.  A thousand excited dogs in an unfamiliar place surrounded by strange dogs isn't likely to end well.

I've done an annual dog walk in Austin in which thousands of leashed dogs and their owners are in very close quarters. Never once seen a fight break out.


Same here, but I don't disagree with J_C's comment.  At a dog walk:

1. The dogs are moving, not standing bored in one place for hours.  Bored dogs tend to create their own entertainment, and it can often be aggressive entertainment.

2. If you were in it, you hardly had a view of all of it.  You have no idea whether there were none, fifty, or two hundred little "snapping" incidents that went unreported only because owners were able to drag them apart during the walk with little or no physical contact between the animals.  As you likely know, "little" snapping incidents like these are so common they're quickly forgotten and rarely mentioned by dog owners.

3. Media covering dog walks are not looking for incidents of aggression to report on; they only want happy fluff pieces with photos of smiling children and cute doggies.  At a political rally like this, you'd better believe the media will be salivating for the irony of a "vicious dog fight" story to report on.
 
2014-04-11 11:12:35 PM  

syrynxx: Mikey1969: I have a friend with a pit bull that is one of the best, most well behaved, gentlest dogs I've ever met. Smart motherfarker, too, but serious about how good the dog is and I've known him since he was a puppy.

Sigfried & Roy used to prance tigers back and forth on the stage until one of them bit Roy in the neck because it was a f*cking tiger.  I'm sure that tiger was one of the best, most well-behaved, gentlest tigers you'd ever meet until it bit Roy in the neck.


And the fact that you compared a pit bull to a tiger instead of, say, a duck, shows that your mind was made up before you ever got here.  Thanks for playing, exit is thataway.

/Bet there are more duck attacks than tiger attacks
//Damned statistics: mainly because there are way more ducks
///That, and ducks can be mean little s.o.b.'s
 
2014-04-11 11:17:57 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Dr. Tuttle: Why is it so hard to accept that a breed bred for blood sports might, deep down, have an instinct to attack?

Because that breeding also included breeding out any aggressiveness towards humans. Think about it, if you have a big game dog, which the breed originated as, and it is holding on to a wild boar to wear it down and keep it place until you get close to finish the boar off, when you pull the dog off the boar to get it clear of the death blow, it is still in a frenzied state from the chase/hunt, you want it to chill out quickly. It smells you, feels your hands on it and knows that it doesn't need to be high energy anymore. This held true when the breed was used later in bull baiting and then later in pit fighting other dogs. If you need to pull the dog off of another dog, you want it to chill out right away, and so you breed in a passivity towards humans.

What happens when you get a pit to bite a human is that you have broken their breeding, not their training, their breeding. They weren't bred the same as guard dog breeds such as German Shepards, Rottweilers, Dobermans, where they have developed the instinctual understanding that they can bite this person, but not that person. Pit breeds were developed to not bite anyone.

People forget in this age of luxury and superficial desire for dogs that all the breeds were developed for a purpose, most of which are obsolete aside from the toys and aristocratic breeds e.g. the Pekingese, which were bred purposefully to have too short front legs so it would be hard for them to get away from their owners. People buy dogs today the same way they buy shoes, their only consideration being whether they match their outfit or style. The heights of vanity involving another living creature boggles the mind.


This.  So much this.

Great Danes were originally bred to be estate guard dogs; in other words, not gentle when they found intruders of any size.  Today they have the universal moniker "Gentle Giants."  In direct opposition to what I believe about humans, with dogs, breeding makes all the difference.
 
2014-04-11 11:22:51 PM  

Dr. Tuttle: Deftoons: Dr. Tuttle: Valid point, Quirk, but would you agree that with the thousands of irresponsible backyard breeders and the sub-par owners looking for that pit bull mystique, perhaps the standard of the breed and its expected behavior has been greatly tainted ?

Nowhere near enough to define the breed overall.  Even the dogs that were  trained to attack can be just the same be trained not to attack and become lovable creatures that we know most dogs to be -see this example regarding the rescued dogs from Michael Vick's doggie death camp. These dogs were horribly abused, but are now in fantastic shape and are well-behaved family dogs.

During that whole era where pit bulls were trained to be fighting dogs, they were also being trained to be Nanny Dogs watching over the kids in families that had over a dozen children (which was typical during that time) while the parents were away working or doing house chores.


Cutesy dog and child photos like that are incredibly irresponsible. That seems like a ticking time bomb situation. The "Nanny Dog" myth has already been dispelled in this thread.


It has neither been established as a myth nor "dispelled."  Commenter cited ONE source which contained obvious slanting if not outright bias.  You accepted it as congruent with your preconceived beliefs and conflated it to the status of an established fact.
 
2014-04-11 11:26:07 PM  
Dr. Tuttle:  Please send a link to a time appropriate document that refers to the dog as such.

"Was there a huge child holocaust from Pit Bulls that happened during that time to which the majority of the public wasn't aware of?  Or were all those documented pictures just a large manufactured lie?"

There probably were bites. Reports probably weren't filed. Reports may have been lost in the last 100 years.


I see.  So first, you DEMAND EVIDENCE from the other side of the argument. Then, you excuse the LACK OF EVIDENCE on your side of the argument  Damned convenient.
 
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