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(Wall Street Journal)   Hewlett Packard pleads guilty, fined, for illegal activities during Carly Fiorini era. No, not the spying (that was settled out of court). No, not the kickbacks fine they paid. Not the illegal computers to Iran stuff either   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 27
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2014-04-10 07:47:51 PM
I'm still not buying anything made by Apple.
 
2014-04-10 07:48:42 PM
Call me when they issue a formal apology for ruining the tech industry in this country. Not that it will do any good, but still.

I can't believe Fiorina had the audacity to run for office and list her term at HP as an "accomplishment". I have nothing good to say about her.
 
2014-04-10 07:50:47 PM
This is what happens when you have too much government regulation.
 
2014-04-10 07:51:33 PM
one of the public officials admitted to taking about $529,000 in bribes from a local manager at H-P

I don't think this decision went very high up in the food chain.  Probably just the local manager's idea.  I work at HP and not even close to sales or manufacturing, but every year I have to take a course and test regarding bribery, gifts and kickbacks and such and have to have knowledge about the different trade laws and procedures for origin and movement of parts as well as assembly and manufacturing.

Anyone at HP that claims they didn't know is lying.
 
2014-04-10 07:51:46 PM
And not their participation in illegal anti-competitive employment practices
 
2014-04-10 07:54:12 PM
According to local daily Dziennik Gazeta Prawna, one of the public officials admitted to taking about $529,000 in bribes from a local manager at H-P.

So, what, 4 or 5 toner cartridges then?
 
2014-04-10 07:58:40 PM

fusillade762: According to local daily Dziennik Gazeta Prawna, one of the public officials admitted to taking about $529,000 in bribes from a local manager at H-P.

So, what, 4 or 5 toner cartridges then?


thread.
 
2014-04-10 08:08:55 PM
Everyone who worked at HP during the Fiorina era should be shot and burned, just to be sure. That biatch was so toxic, I think half the state is still poisoned.
 
2014-04-10 08:13:46 PM
I'm just curious.  Is there any crime a corporation CAN'T get out of just by paying the DOJ a few million?  How much does the DOJ charge to drop an industrial espionage investigation?  Murder for hire?  Treason?  Perjury?   Corruption?  Lying to shareholders?  Massive fraud leading to worldwide economic collapse?  Abuse of workers?

What would a company have to actually do in order to get shut down?
 
2014-04-10 08:46:26 PM

Emposter: IWhat would a company have to actually do in order to get shut down?

Take loans from a Democratic administration.
 
2014-04-10 08:50:05 PM

Apatheist: I'm still not buying anything made by Apple.


That will show 'em.
 
2014-04-10 08:55:43 PM
I still love their printers, their computers are junk but the printers are still good.  The calculators and test instruments are not as good as they were, but still often better than the alternative.
 
2014-04-10 09:07:24 PM
Baaaaaaaaaaaad Carly.

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2014-04-10 10:16:40 PM

Emposter: I'm just curious.  Is there any crime a corporation CAN'T get out of just by paying the DOJ a few million?  How much does the DOJ charge to drop an industrial espionage investigation?  Murder for hire?  Treason?  Perjury?   Corruption?  Lying to shareholders?  Massive fraud leading to worldwide economic collapse?  Abuse of workers?

What would a company have to actually do in order to get shut down?


Officially?  They have to owe so much they had to declare "I am dead, not getting better, put me on the cart" bankruptcy.  GM did it, and it actually hurt the people involved a teeny, tiny bit.  GM was taken, ALL of its assets including its very NAME were stripped away, (the company that is now called "General Motors" was created a few scant years ago and took the name "GM" as it's own) and sold to pay off the creditors, the government, and everyone else they owed money.  Any cash left (which wasn't really anything) was divvy'd up among the shareholders and the company (renamed...something I can't remember) was disbanded.

Can that happen?  No.  Not unless it's already so on the farking ropes that the government is rolling in to bail it out.  Exxon fought a 5 billion dollar bill for 20 YEARS, until they had fought it down to (after inflation) around 6% of that, and many of the folk they owed were dead.  Fun side note: the Supreme Court precedents set by that case mean no company will ever be ordered to pay more than a few hundred million ever again.

At the worst of those crimes?  The high treason and the lying to shareholders?  Someone working for the company goes down.  But a corporation isn't a person in instances where it could suffer, it's just a property then.  A corporation is a quantum person, it holds all the rights and responsibilities it needs to at the moment the man with money says it does.
 
2014-04-10 10:29:32 PM

TheBigJerk: Emposter: I'm just curious.  Is there any crime a corporation CAN'T get out of just by paying the DOJ a few million?  How much does the DOJ charge to drop an industrial espionage investigation?  Murder for hire?  Treason?  Perjury?   Corruption?  Lying to shareholders?  Massive fraud leading to worldwide economic collapse?  Abuse of workers?

What would a company have to actually do in order to get shut down?

Officially?  They have to owe so much they had to declare "I am dead, not getting better, put me on the cart" bankruptcy.  GM did it, and it actually hurt the people involved a teeny, tiny bit.  GM was taken, ALL of its assets including its very NAME were stripped away, (the company that is now called "General Motors" was created a few scant years ago and took the name "GM" as it's own) and sold to pay off the creditors, the government, and everyone else they owed money.  Any cash left (which wasn't really anything) was divvy'd up among the shareholders and the company (renamed...something I can't remember) was disbanded.

Can that happen?  No.  Not unless it's already so on the farking ropes that the government is rolling in to bail it out.  Exxon fought a 5 billion dollar bill for 20 YEARS, until they had fought it down to (after inflation) around 6% of that, and many of the folk they owed were dead.  Fun side note: the Supreme Court precedents set by that case mean no company will ever be ordered to pay more than a few hundred million ever again.

At the worst of those crimes?  The high treason and the lying to shareholders?  Someone working for the company goes down.  But a corporation isn't a person in instances where it could suffer, it's just a property then.  A corporation is a quantum person, it holds all the rights and responsibilities it needs to at the moment the man with money says it does.


Yeah, it was sort of rhetorical, complaining that corporations can profit massively from the commission of crimes, but will never be held responsible for them.
 
2014-04-10 11:24:50 PM
HP paid to get probed? Is that legal?
 
2014-04-10 11:25:14 PM
I didn't know that Iran had bought some bootleg HP computers.

Who wants to bet that the CIA added some chips and BIOS code  just for them?
 
2014-04-10 11:48:34 PM

interstellar_tedium: I still love their printers, their computers are junk but the printers are still good.  The calculators and test instruments are not as good as they were, but still often better than the alternative.


Can't argue with that. I should have bought more CP2025Ns for my office while they were still available. Those things have been bombproof compared to our other lasers, and they don't burn through nearly as many cartridges.
 
2014-04-11 12:17:26 AM

DoctorCal: And not their participation in illegal anti-competitive employment practices


This.

Seen too much cronyism and nepotism from HPs rank and file it is totally disgusting.
Especially from HPs governement contractors
 
2014-04-11 12:41:06 AM
I'm on an HP right now, so I'm getting a kick, blah blah blah.

HP is really kind of a trippy company. Last month I had a pretty nasty computer problem, so called their tech support. The next day I end up getting a voicemail from HP, from the guy who I talked to. What was weird about it, and what I didn't notice the night before, the guy was a computer generated voice. Had that weird computer talking 'accent'. I'm not sure what's stranger about it: That I didn't notice the night before and had a seemingly normal conversation with a computer; Or that they gave this incredibly complex tech support AI an Indian accent.
 
2014-04-11 12:48:59 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: I didn't know that Iran had bought some bootleg HP computers.

Who wants to bet that the CIA added some chips and BIOS code  just for them?


Old school CIA would have made it so whenever the computers were fired up, a video of that raver hula hoop girl played automatically. But they were fun back then, with their MKULTRA parties and psy-ops and coups.
 
2014-04-11 01:31:48 AM

LectertheChef: gozar_the_destroyer: I didn't know that Iran had bought some bootleg HP computers.

Who wants to bet that the CIA added some chips and BIOS code  just for them?

Old school CIA would have made it so whenever the computers were fired up, a video of that raver hula hoop girl played automatically. But they were fun back then, with their MKULTRA parties and psy-ops and coups.


New school makes their entire national internet and defense networks lock up after a signal and play the Dethklock's 'BLOOD OCEAN!' on every screen.
 
2014-04-11 03:05:13 AM
If corporations are people, why can't we lock them up for a bit to make their share holders think a bit about how they want to run their companies.


Say 3-5 years without a business license?
 
2014-04-11 03:20:09 AM
If money is speech, then aren't these organizations just talking to themselves rather loudly?
 
2014-04-11 03:45:20 AM

ox45tallboy: I can't believe Fiorina had the audacity to run for office and list her term at HP as an "accomplishment". I have nothing good to say about her.


I remember when the media was in love with her and her bold new leadership at HP. Wasn't the merger with Compaq going to be the bestest thing ever? In the meantime, Hewlett's kid was telling everyone who would listen it was going to be a shiatstorm.
 
2014-04-11 04:00:30 AM

Cathedralmaster: ox45tallboy: I can't believe Fiorina had the audacity to run for office and list her term at HP as an "accomplishment". I have nothing good to say about her.

I remember when the media was in love with her and her bold new leadership at HP. Wasn't the merger with Compaq going to be the bestest thing ever? In the meantime, Hewlett's kid was telling everyone who would listen it was going to be a shiatstorm.


Once business people get a hold of a company it becomes a shiatstorm. They only care about they money they will make for themselves and to satisfy the other business people while they are there. What happens to make that happen or after they leave, they could give less than a fark.

Not one great company focuses merely on profit and remains great. True, if you can destroy or have destroyed all of your competition, you can make tons of money only focusing on money. However, if anything in the market should change (due to new tech, customer dissatisfaction, economy crashes, new laws, etc.) you have no ability or room to adapt. Your own monopolistic methods have made you a living dead entity. Even if you have the cash to throw a the problem, you have lost all of the talent to make use of the funding to do anything about it.

\and this is why good products turn into shiat for no reason
 
2014-04-11 05:55:44 AM

Cathedralmaster: ox45tallboy: I can't believe Fiorina had the audacity to run for office and list her term at HP as an "accomplishment". I have nothing good to say about her.

I remember when the media was in love with her and her bold new leadership at HP. Wasn't the merger with Compaq going to be the bestest thing ever? In the meantime, Hewlett's kid was telling everyone who would listen it was going to be a shiatstorm.


But she was a woman and she was running a tech company! I can see where they were going with that, but man at the time I was cringing going oh please oh please oh please don't make her the face of female CEOS oh please media. And I was right.
 
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