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(Marine Corps Times)   Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps explains how cutting the pay and benefits of junior troops will somehow make make the military a more disciplined, stronger organization   (marinecorpstimes.com) divider line 39
    More: Dumbass, stipends, enlisted man, compensation and benefits, Senate Armed Services Committee  
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2014-04-10 06:15:10 PM
7 votes:
Love hearing this from some high ranking lifer who's already set with a good salary, lifetime pension, healthcare, etc...  He got his, now close the gates on everyone else.
The military should really be spending more money on lifestyle & budgeting classes for new recruits.  No schools teach basic budgeting, checking account balancing, interest rate calculation, payday-loan scam awareness, and other necessary life skills anymore.
2014-04-10 06:14:39 PM
5 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2014-04-10 06:14:12 PM
5 votes:
Someone once said, "when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".
2014-04-10 06:12:32 PM
5 votes:
Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?
2014-04-10 06:15:31 PM
4 votes:
What. An. Asshole.
2014-04-10 06:14:36 PM
4 votes:
This guys a real tool.
2014-04-10 06:13:03 PM
4 votes:
If the Marines REALLY loved their country, they'd fight for free.
2014-04-10 06:29:18 PM
3 votes:
Ew, Marines.

This guy should lead the way and take the first pay cut, showing his lower enlisted how this whole "living with less" is gonna work first hand.
2014-04-10 08:36:33 PM
2 votes:

AirForceVet: Well, Sergeant Major, let's just do it and see how low you'll have to lower enlistment standards to fill the ranks.

Easier to find infantry than someone to fix your classified network of course.

But, you've peaked out your career and heading for the Villages in the near future. Why not screw those coming behind you?


THIS, exactly THIS.

/Navy Vet
2014-04-10 07:56:36 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

Aside from the hyperbole of "thousands of audiences" and the gawdawful grammar, this guys is full of it. And if while I'm all for an armed forces ready to do its duty, being gung-ho to put your boot on someone's neck is very much the wrong way to view the world. That makes you a barbarian, not a soldier.
2014-04-10 07:02:57 PM
2 votes:

madgordy: the trick is, if you are stupid enough to go into the Marines they try to make it impossible to get out of the Marines.


That's where the genius of cutting pay and benefits comes in: you weed out even more rational people beforehand and your new recruits are all starry-eyed 'Muricans who want to kill Mooslems.
2014-04-10 06:27:58 PM
2 votes:
Pretty sure you can increase morale by increasing pay and benefits, too.
2014-04-10 06:18:58 PM
2 votes:
I was a marine for 10 years, and I can say the pay and benefits for a private aren't really good to begin with. Making them lower isn't going to make the marine corps more disciplined or stronger. It's going to piss off the junior marines more than they are, and all the work done to get marines to drink less is going to count for shiat. Cuz with less money, all these poor bastards can afford to do in their time off Is drink until they forget how shorty their lives are.
2014-04-10 06:12:44 PM
2 votes:
The Marines have done so much with so little for so long, that eventually they will be able to do anything for ever with nothing.
2014-04-11 06:43:05 AM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Dirty J1: I was a marine for 10 years, and I can say the pay and benefits for a private aren't really good to begin with. Making them lower isn't going to make the marine corps more disciplined or stronger. It's going to piss off the junior marines more than they are, and all the work done to get marines to drink less is going to count for shiat. Cuz with less money, all these poor bastards can afford to do in their time off Is drink until they forget how shorty their lives are.

Let's see. For someone who doesn't have to complete high school; room, board, food, pay(yes, small), free education. Shoot, a fella could have a good time in Vegas with all that


The board in room and board is food, you don't have to say it again.

The room is typically very small often shared(up to 4 people in "dorm" rooms) or communal living with 20-50 guys with individual bunks and a footlocker.  You're typically worked too hard(especially in the marines) to take advantage of any free education.

The pay often turns right back around into uniforms and general upkeep, which is required a LOT more for fighting troops and in the case of jobs like mechanics and such.  Typically you get enough of an "allowance" to buy one or two uniforms a year, but the life span of them is numbered in a few months at best unless you're behind a desk.  Plus ironing and cleaning(dry cleaning is one of the better ways to get grime out, but runs a large bill and you need a lot of spares because it can take days), patches/insignia, boots, under gear(t-shirts underwear socks, all of which wear out much faster). Then factor in cost of living(soap - deodorant - etc, things for your "room", like pillows, sheets, towels, etc).  If you're in a location where you need a car, you can pretty much be broke 100% of the time, ie you are surviving, but not really living.
2014-04-11 12:21:57 AM
1 votes:
And to think, this Moran in Congress thinks their $174K salary makes them underpaid.
2014-04-10 09:09:55 PM
1 votes:
Well, to continue... this was a required course when I served in the late 80s...

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...and we still had Marines who found out how quickly they could end up living beyond their means.

Forcing Marines to risk their lives while the government refuses to pay them a wage that puts them above the poverty level is a disgrace. Even worse, because compared to the weapons systems the DoD blows money (and their loads all over) on, wages are a drop in the bucket.
2014-04-10 08:56:13 PM
1 votes:
That outta do wonders for recruiting and retention.
2014-04-10 08:38:54 PM
1 votes:

hi13760: mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?

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What's missing from that chart (for E-4 and below at least) is how much is deducted from your paycheck for the privilege of living in a barracks, sharing a bathroom with 4 other dudes and the cost of your meal card - which you need to flash to eat at the chow hall.  I got out as an E-4 and the biggest deposit I ever received was ~$430 plus imminent danger pay.  We didn't pay taxes on that money either.  We got these insulting "pay summaries" around tax time - if you added your benefits to what we pay you, you would've made 28,000K per year.  The last one I got I added up all my deposits and it came out to around 12K.  I raked in 16K of benefits living in a place where I had to share a bathroom with 3 other guys and eat processed, often under/over cooked crap everyday.  I did have an off-base GF, which was good and bad as I tried to contribute to our little apartment life, but still... A lot of marines I served with made the car note with the first paycheck, and insurance/drinking benders with the 2nd.

They were shocked - SHOCKED - when I turned down 10K bonus (paid over 2 years), a promotion to E-5 (even though I had been subjected to NJP about 18 months earlier), and choice of duty station (I wanted to go to Hawaii) to re-enlist. NOBODY from my MOS EVER re-enlisted.  2147, each day worse than the previous... You wouldn't think a job as basic as "diesel mechanic" would suck so hard, but you'd be wrong.  Never put regular infantry commanders in charge of mechanized units, I still don't know why the Marine Corps does this.

I was meritoriously promoted to E-3, was written up for 2 Meritorious Masts, was awarded TWO NAMs, but never got my good cookie. Life was good, unless you were naval SP and I kicked your ass.
2014-04-10 08:21:33 PM
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: FTFA: As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

Aside from the hyperbole of "thousands of audiences" and the gawdawful grammar, this guys is full of it. And if while I'm all for an armed forces ready to do its duty, being gung-ho to put your boot on someone's neck is very much the wrong way to view the world. That makes you a barbarian, not a soldier.


boots on necks is a huge improvement over the "collect their ears" of yesteryear

/everybody speaks 5.56
2014-04-10 07:28:11 PM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Is he trying for a promotion to Command Sergeant Major?

Or is that an equivalent rank to Sergeant Major. The wiki is unclear.


The Sgt. Major of the Marine Corps is the senior enlisted Marine period. Part of his job is to interact with senior commissioned officers like the Commandant, and be an ombudsman for all enlisted personnel. As someone who once had to live on an E-2 salary (mine was Army), he is projecting epic fail in looking out for the rank and file.
2014-04-10 07:27:30 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


More than a few Roman Emperors found that out the hard way, IIRC.
2014-04-10 07:23:02 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


I dunno, ask Sgt. Samuel Doe, former President-Dictator of Liberia.*

The coup began the night he and a couple of his fellow noncoms broke into the Presidential Palace to find out why they hadn't been paid lately.
2014-04-10 07:08:23 PM
1 votes:
What a sh*tpiece.
2014-04-10 07:03:05 PM
1 votes:
Well, he didn't join the Marines 33 years ago because he was smart...
2014-04-10 06:58:42 PM
1 votes:
How 'bout they just cut some wasteful programs, like the V-22 Osprey and the F35, and give the grunts a raise?
2014-04-10 06:58:03 PM
1 votes:
as a retired enlisted man who was  in the Corp, I think this Sergent Major is a toilet licker, a douche bag, a shiat sandwich, he likes ass to mouth, he's likely to get fragged in his office.  Of course no one seems to tell the recruits that being in the Marines is all about being punished.

I remember guys having to get jobs off base to make ends meet because the Marines were all about denying benifits to the enlisted.  Here we  have the proud tradition of "they don't deserve healthcare"  "They make too much money"   I remember getting lectured about maintaining my uniforms and asked if I got my $3 per month allowance, enough to get 2 shirts dry cleaned and pressed, and thus threatened due to the marnines giving me so much for upkeep.  generally by the second week of January I had already spent the money.

I recall telling a captain that I had indeed already spent my $36 several months earlier.

the trick is, if you are stupid enough to go into the Marines they try to make it impossible to get out of the Marines.
2014-04-10 06:50:47 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: No.
He makes $7,816.20 per month.
Hard life.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp


Plus food, housing, moving expenses, lifetime free medical and dental, family allowance, clothing allowance, extra money if he's deployed overseas....
2014-04-10 06:42:04 PM
1 votes:
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2014-04-10 06:37:15 PM
1 votes:
fark this guy. "Hey, we need to slash the military budget," said Congress for the first time EVER. "Hmn, what's the most wasteful thing we can cut? Oh, I know, lets fark the little guy like we do in the civilian world. . ."
2014-04-10 06:32:23 PM
1 votes:
Well, Sergeant Major, let's just do it and see how low you'll have to lower enlistment standards to fill the ranks.

Easier to find infantry than someone to fix your classified network of course.

But, you've peaked out your career and heading for the Villages in the near future. Why not screw those coming behind you?
2014-04-10 06:27:09 PM
1 votes:

nipner: Love hearing this from some high ranking lifer who's already set with a good salary, lifetime pension, healthcare, etc...  He got his, now close the gates on everyone else.


"I got mine, fark you". He sounds Republican.
2014-04-10 06:25:30 PM
1 votes:

mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?


E-9 with 10 years plus experience brings home 4788.90 per/mo.
2014-04-10 06:21:41 PM
1 votes:
So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?
2014-04-10 06:21:35 PM
1 votes:
Is he trying for a promotion to Command Sergeant Major?

Or is that an equivalent rank to Sergeant Major. The wiki is unclear.
2014-04-10 06:17:47 PM
1 votes:

Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.


This, times eleventy
2014-04-10 06:17:30 PM
1 votes:

Fusilier: This guys a real tool.


And he will have plenty of people people screaming that he is right. And I bet a lot of them will be retired Marines that are living off of a nice pension from the Marines.
2014-04-10 06:16:57 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like my old boss that made 6x as much as me calling me greedy for wanting a dollar and hour raise I was promised.
2014-04-10 05:53:41 PM
1 votes:
"I mean, look at those Marines, standing proudly in that line to apply for food stamps!  Another example of discipline, like when they stood in line to do the monkey bars before and after lunch!"
 
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