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(Marine Corps Times)   Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps explains how cutting the pay and benefits of junior troops will somehow make make the military a more disciplined, stronger organization   (marinecorpstimes.com ) divider line
    More: Dumbass, stipends, enlisted man, compensation and benefits, Senate Armed Services Committee  
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2014-04-11 12:11:47 AM  
Thread jack: my phone says we're all TotalFark. Anyone else?
 
2014-04-11 12:14:58 AM  

undernova: Thread jack: my phone says we're all TotalFark. Anyone else?


Me too.
 
2014-04-11 12:20:05 AM  

MonkeyDavid: It does remind me of a story (possibly true) my Dad once told me (he was an Air Force Colonel):

The U.S. was taking over a base in South Korea. All the military branches were involved. There were already buildings and perfectly good quarters on the base.Air Force showed up an moved into the quarters. Even though there was still room, the Army showed up and built Quonset huts. The Marines showed up and lived in tents (even though it was winter). So maybe they do want it rough.

(The Navy, of course, showed up and said "screw this, we'll just sleep on our ships.")


The way I heard it:
When you tell the Services "Secure that building"....
The Marine Corps surrounds it and lays down a withering field of fire
The Army puts up a fence and posts a guard
The Navy turns off the lights and locks the door
The Air Force takes out a three year lease with an option to buy
 
2014-04-11 12:21:57 AM  
And to think, this Moran in Congress thinks their $174K salary makes them underpaid.
 
2014-04-11 12:43:03 AM  
Meh, Sargent Majors.

They only have a place in the Marines because the Colonel's chicken isn't going to suck it's self.

I bet his last name was Finn.
 
2014-04-11 03:10:55 AM  

MonkeyDavid: It does remind me of a story (possibly true) my Dad once told me (he was an Air Force Colonel):

The U.S. was taking over a base in South Korea. All the military branches were involved. There were already buildings and perfectly good quarters on the base.Air Force showed up an moved into the quarters. Even though there was still room, the Army showed up and built Quonset huts. The Marines showed up and lived in tents (even though it was winter). So maybe they do want it rough.

(The Navy, of course, showed up and said "screw this, we'll just sleep on our ships.")


I assure you they don't "want it rough". The (average) individual Marine wants no part of that kind of "be miserable so we look tough" crap when there is no valid reason for it. Assholes like this particular Sgt. Maj., however, are the ones who make those calls while rarely enduring the same standard of living (occasionally maybe, for appearances' sake, but that's all). Much in the same way he's spewing bullshiat on this pay issue.

 I fail to understand how, in his mind, the crushing morale-killer of constantly worrying about money (particularly for those of lower rank who are sole providers for a family) would tend to increase discipline. At the very least, a desperate person can be a serious liability...
 
2014-04-11 03:18:41 AM  
It's obvious the SMAG needs a code red, ASAP!
 
2014-04-11 05:17:53 AM  

Dirty J1: I was a marine for 10 years, and I can say the pay and benefits for a private aren't really good to begin with. Making them lower isn't going to make the marine corps more disciplined or stronger. It's going to piss off the junior marines more than they are, and all the work done to get marines to drink less is going to count for shiat. Cuz with less money, all these poor bastards can afford to do in their time off Is drink until they forget how shorty their lives are.


Let's see. For someone who doesn't have to complete high school; room, board, food, pay(yes, small), free education. Shoot, a fella could have a good time in Vegas with all that
 
2014-04-11 06:43:05 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Dirty J1: I was a marine for 10 years, and I can say the pay and benefits for a private aren't really good to begin with. Making them lower isn't going to make the marine corps more disciplined or stronger. It's going to piss off the junior marines more than they are, and all the work done to get marines to drink less is going to count for shiat. Cuz with less money, all these poor bastards can afford to do in their time off Is drink until they forget how shorty their lives are.

Let's see. For someone who doesn't have to complete high school; room, board, food, pay(yes, small), free education. Shoot, a fella could have a good time in Vegas with all that


The board in room and board is food, you don't have to say it again.

The room is typically very small often shared(up to 4 people in "dorm" rooms) or communal living with 20-50 guys with individual bunks and a footlocker.  You're typically worked too hard(especially in the marines) to take advantage of any free education.

The pay often turns right back around into uniforms and general upkeep, which is required a LOT more for fighting troops and in the case of jobs like mechanics and such.  Typically you get enough of an "allowance" to buy one or two uniforms a year, but the life span of them is numbered in a few months at best unless you're behind a desk.  Plus ironing and cleaning(dry cleaning is one of the better ways to get grime out, but runs a large bill and you need a lot of spares because it can take days), patches/insignia, boots, under gear(t-shirts underwear socks, all of which wear out much faster). Then factor in cost of living(soap - deodorant - etc, things for your "room", like pillows, sheets, towels, etc).  If you're in a location where you need a car, you can pretty much be broke 100% of the time, ie you are surviving, but not really living.
 
2014-04-11 08:12:58 AM  
Seems to be they can solve the pay issue by allowing the troops to rape and pillage.  and Loot loot loot.
 
2014-04-11 08:50:53 AM  
A stupid statement. It sounds like he got the memo... Support the asinine decision from above.
 
2014-04-11 09:17:06 AM  
www.mrnuke.com
The Marines. Every meal is a banquet. Every payday a fortune! Gawd, I love the Marine Core!
 
2014-04-11 11:00:01 AM  
lets hear from all of the support the military farkers on this one. come on, line up behind this jacked
up freak testifying in front of all those congress critters and give him your support. he gave them
the straight skinny and did you see all them ribbons ? too bad he didnt bring some a them lower
ranks so they could represent. " yes, sir, I LOVE living on ramen noodles with extra patriotism
it is sooooooooo filling "     this nutsack/knob will do his term and we'll see him running for office next, bankrolled
and programmed like the rest of the ex-military wackos on the right ( thinking of you Zinke and Osborn, heaven help
our already broken system if either one of those lunatics gets elected  )
 
2014-04-11 12:11:46 PM  
I swear to god, I thought this was a post from duffleblog.com:

http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/04/sergeant-major-academy/


Kinda like when people get their panties twisted over theonion.com stories....
 
2014-04-11 01:24:36 PM  
" they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next "

Lovely.

Also, from what I hear marines already have to come out of pocket for tons of required job expenses like uniforms, cleaning, upkeep, etc, etc.

At least we know how high you have to be on the enlisted scale before you start talking and acting like an officer.  Amazing.
 
2014-04-11 04:54:48 PM  

Slam1263: Meh, Sargent Majors.

They only have a place in the Marines because the Colonel's chicken isn't going to suck it's self.

I bet his last name was Finn.


Sergeants Major.....like Attorneys General
 
2014-04-11 06:20:52 PM  

Isitoveryet: mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?

E-9 with 10 years plus experience brings home 4788.90 per/mo.


Based on DFAS info (www.dfas.mil/dms/dfas/militarymembers/pdf/MilPayTable2014), he earns $7816.20 per month.
 
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