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(Marine Corps Times)   Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps explains how cutting the pay and benefits of junior troops will somehow make make the military a more disciplined, stronger organization   (marinecorpstimes.com) divider line 117
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2014-04-10 06:49:11 PM

Summoner101: telejester: When I was in the Core, the soldiers didn't act this way.

Warrior code?


Son, do not question the Core.
 
2014-04-10 06:50:47 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: No.
He makes $7,816.20 per month.
Hard life.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp


Plus food, housing, moving expenses, lifetime free medical and dental, family allowance, clothing allowance, extra money if he's deployed overseas....
 
2014-04-10 06:58:03 PM
as a retired enlisted man who was  in the Corp, I think this Sergent Major is a toilet licker, a douche bag, a shiat sandwich, he likes ass to mouth, he's likely to get fragged in his office.  Of course no one seems to tell the recruits that being in the Marines is all about being punished.

I remember guys having to get jobs off base to make ends meet because the Marines were all about denying benifits to the enlisted.  Here we  have the proud tradition of "they don't deserve healthcare"  "They make too much money"   I remember getting lectured about maintaining my uniforms and asked if I got my $3 per month allowance, enough to get 2 shirts dry cleaned and pressed, and thus threatened due to the marnines giving me so much for upkeep.  generally by the second week of January I had already spent the money.

I recall telling a captain that I had indeed already spent my $36 several months earlier.

the trick is, if you are stupid enough to go into the Marines they try to make it impossible to get out of the Marines.
 
2014-04-10 06:58:26 PM
when I was a solider in the core this shait won't happen


enjoy your fratricide
 
2014-04-10 06:58:42 PM
How 'bout they just cut some wasteful programs, like the V-22 Osprey and the F35, and give the grunts a raise?
 
2014-04-10 07:00:28 PM

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


Yes. It's almost like they are TRYING for that.
 
2014-04-10 07:02:57 PM

madgordy: the trick is, if you are stupid enough to go into the Marines they try to make it impossible to get out of the Marines.


That's where the genius of cutting pay and benefits comes in: you weed out even more rational people beforehand and your new recruits are all starry-eyed 'Muricans who want to kill Mooslems.
 
2014-04-10 07:03:05 PM
Well, he didn't join the Marines 33 years ago because he was smart...
 
2014-04-10 07:08:23 PM
What a sh*tpiece.
 
2014-04-10 07:09:09 PM
Let the Marines eat cake, says this douche in his ivory tower.
 
2014-04-10 07:10:24 PM
Back in 'Nam, when I was in the Core, we paid to go fight the gooks. I served in Iran, Afganistan and in Gernada and I paid for my airline ticket over to the 'big show' every time. I killed probably a few thousand towel heads and fragged a few hundered ginks. Damn, I never even cashed a paycheck. Marines don't want no pay. They just want a fight, kill, explode things and get Osama Bin Loudin.... and we will one day. Sempera figh! My brothers know what I am talking about. You guys don't know nothing.
 
2014-04-10 07:12:11 PM
This guy is making a decent living as a soldier and now he doesn't want others to have the same chance?
 
2014-04-10 07:13:31 PM

Seraphym: To be honest though, it does sound like he's been talking to the active E3 and below with that comment.


True--although I'm sure a lot of the conversations went like this:

"Marine, do you want retirement modernization or do you want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next!"

"Uh, Sergeant Major, uh, I guess the second thing?"
 
2014-04-10 07:15:20 PM
Gives POG a whole new meaning.
 
2014-04-10 07:23:02 PM

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


I dunno, ask Sgt. Samuel Doe, former President-Dictator of Liberia.*

The coup began the night he and a couple of his fellow noncoms broke into the Presidential Palace to find out why they hadn't been paid lately.
 
2014-04-10 07:23:14 PM
oops. answered my own question. got my service insignias confused.
 
2014-04-10 07:25:04 PM

Seraphym: It will be interesting to see if this can possibly work without lowering admission standards as well to keep force numbers at least static.

"As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."

To be honest though, it does sound like he's been talking to the active E3 and below with that comment.
;-)


He probably was.  However, he's just deluded enough to think that because they only talk shop with him, that that is all they think about.

It's not like they can or would dare talk about real life or their bills with anyone of signifigant rank.  With people that high in rank, you ONLY talk shop or you end up mopping floors(or whatnot) for being a dipshiat. (there's almost always a chaperone present, dual purpose, to guide the CO to only see what he wants to(ie coddle him like a good babysitter), and to scare the dumb enlistee into behaving himself.
 
2014-04-10 07:25:24 PM
Man, what a cockwad.
 
2014-04-10 07:25:25 PM
I'm really having a hard time believing that he actually said all that.  Wow.  What a farking asshole.
 
2014-04-10 07:27:16 PM
I admire his honesty. Hell, I like him. He can come over to my house and fark my sister.
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2014-04-10 07:27:30 PM

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


More than a few Roman Emperors found that out the hard way, IIRC.
 
2014-04-10 07:28:11 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Is he trying for a promotion to Command Sergeant Major?

Or is that an equivalent rank to Sergeant Major. The wiki is unclear.


The Sgt. Major of the Marine Corps is the senior enlisted Marine period. Part of his job is to interact with senior commissioned officers like the Commandant, and be an ombudsman for all enlisted personnel. As someone who once had to live on an E-2 salary (mine was Army), he is projecting epic fail in looking out for the rank and file.
 
2014-04-10 07:28:28 PM
It does remind me of a story (possibly true) my Dad once told me (he was an Air Force Colonel):

The U.S. was taking over a base in South Korea. All the military branches were involved. There were already buildings and perfectly good quarters on the base.Air Force showed up an moved into the quarters. Even though there was still room, the Army showed up and built Quonset huts. The Marines showed up and lived in tents (even though it was winter). So maybe they do want it rough.

(The Navy, of course, showed up and said "screw this, we'll just sleep on our ships.")
 
2014-04-10 07:33:23 PM

Gyrfalcon: meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?

I dunno, ask Sgt. Samuel Doe, former President-Dictator of Liberia.*

The coup began the night he and a couple of his fellow noncoms broke into the Presidential Palace to find out why they hadn't been paid lately.


He got eaten??!?!?
"A civil war began in December 1989, when rebels intent on toppling Doe entered Liberia through Côte d'Ivoire. Doe's forces were defeated. He was captured and overthrown on 9 September 1990. Following his capture, he was tortured before being executed, and his body was dismembered and eaten by his captors. "
 
2014-04-10 07:33:50 PM
Wow, he got his so fark the rest of y'all. Semper Fi!
 
2014-04-10 07:37:24 PM

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


I believe the history of Rome has something to teach us here.
 
2014-04-10 07:38:26 PM
As always, RHIP.
 
2014-04-10 07:46:17 PM
Yeah, that's right.  Cut the junior enlisted's pay, but don't you DARE even think about cutting spending on equipment and facilities nobody asked for or wants.  I want to ride that gravy train straight into a do-nothing consulting job after I retire.
 
2014-04-10 07:47:45 PM

Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.


Benevolent Misanthrope: What. An. Asshole.


strangeluck: Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.

This, times eleventy


Rand's lacy underwear: strangeluck: Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.

This, times eleventy and six


verbaltoxin: What a sh*tpiece.


C-C-C-Combo Breaker!
 
2014-04-10 07:47:55 PM

meat0918: Gyrfalcon: meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?

I dunno, ask Sgt. Samuel Doe, former President-Dictator of Liberia.*

The coup began the night he and a couple of his fellow noncoms broke into the Presidential Palace to find out why they hadn't been paid lately.

He got eaten??!?!?
"A civil war began in December 1989, when rebels intent on toppling Doe entered Liberia through Côte d'Ivoire. Doe's forces were defeated. He was captured and overthrown on 9 September 1990. Following his capture, he was tortured before being executed, and his body was dismembered and eaten by his captors. "


Well, yes. It was his own fault though. Rebel leader Prince Johnson wanted to know what had happened to all the money Doe had looted from the Liberian treasury (mostly from US foreign aid and registering substandard tramp steamers) and Doe wouldn't talk, even after one of the most brutal torture sessions on record. So Johnson cut off Doe's ear and ate it in front of him, to let him know what was going to happen next. I give Doe props for still not giving up the bank account #'s, though in all honesty he was such an illiterate thug he may not have known what they were and probably signed his name with a big X.
 
2014-04-10 07:49:17 PM
I am really looking forward the the inevitable Terminal Lance strip on this farking idiocy.

If you don't want your Marines to, "...have better spending habits. You won't be so wasteful.", then you train them to not be so wasteful with their damn money.  Same thing as always: if you want a Marine to do X, then you train them to do X.  You don't farking take take their money away.

In all seriousness, that read like a Duffleblog article, not something from the Marine Times.
 
2014-04-10 07:49:41 PM
I am surprised to hear that level of bullshiat from an NCO. Typically that degree of nonsense requires a comissioned officer.
 
2014-04-10 07:50:48 PM

Savage Belief: meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?

Pretty soon the Sargent Major will be marching up and down the square all by himself.



RIGHT!


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2014-04-10 07:56:36 PM
FTFA: As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

Aside from the hyperbole of "thousands of audiences" and the gawdawful grammar, this guys is full of it. And if while I'm all for an armed forces ready to do its duty, being gung-ho to put your boot on someone's neck is very much the wrong way to view the world. That makes you a barbarian, not a soldier.
 
2014-04-10 08:12:25 PM

Jument: Someone once said, "when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".


The converse of this would be:

If you have monkeys working for you, you should pay peanuts.
 
2014-04-10 08:21:33 PM

100 Watt Walrus: FTFA: As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

Aside from the hyperbole of "thousands of audiences" and the gawdawful grammar, this guys is full of it. And if while I'm all for an armed forces ready to do its duty, being gung-ho to put your boot on someone's neck is very much the wrong way to view the world. That makes you a barbarian, not a soldier.


boots on necks is a huge improvement over the "collect their ears" of yesteryear

/everybody speaks 5.56
 
2014-04-10 08:31:40 PM

Robin Hoodie: 100 Watt Walrus: FTFA: As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next.

Aside from the hyperbole of "thousands of audiences" and the gawdawful grammar, this guys is full of it. And if while I'm all for an armed forces ready to do its duty, being gung-ho to put your boot on someone's neck is very much the wrong way to view the world. That makes you a barbarian, not a soldier.

boots on necks is a huge improvement over the "collect their ears" of yesteryear

/everybody speaks 5.56


In fairness, the ears did get me some caps and increased group affiliation
 
2014-04-10 08:36:33 PM

AirForceVet: Well, Sergeant Major, let's just do it and see how low you'll have to lower enlistment standards to fill the ranks.

Easier to find infantry than someone to fix your classified network of course.

But, you've peaked out your career and heading for the Villages in the near future. Why not screw those coming behind you?


THIS, exactly THIS.

/Navy Vet
 
2014-04-10 08:38:54 PM

hi13760: mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?

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What's missing from that chart (for E-4 and below at least) is how much is deducted from your paycheck for the privilege of living in a barracks, sharing a bathroom with 4 other dudes and the cost of your meal card - which you need to flash to eat at the chow hall.  I got out as an E-4 and the biggest deposit I ever received was ~$430 plus imminent danger pay.  We didn't pay taxes on that money either.  We got these insulting "pay summaries" around tax time - if you added your benefits to what we pay you, you would've made 28,000K per year.  The last one I got I added up all my deposits and it came out to around 12K.  I raked in 16K of benefits living in a place where I had to share a bathroom with 3 other guys and eat processed, often under/over cooked crap everyday.  I did have an off-base GF, which was good and bad as I tried to contribute to our little apartment life, but still... A lot of marines I served with made the car note with the first paycheck, and insurance/drinking benders with the 2nd.

They were shocked - SHOCKED - when I turned down 10K bonus (paid over 2 years), a promotion to E-5 (even though I had been subjected to NJP about 18 months earlier), and choice of duty station (I wanted to go to Hawaii) to re-enlist. NOBODY from my MOS EVER re-enlisted.  2147, each day worse than the previous... You wouldn't think a job as basic as "diesel mechanic" would suck so hard, but you'd be wrong.  Never put regular infantry commanders in charge of mechanized units, I still don't know why the Marine Corps does this.

I was meritoriously promoted to E-3, was written up for 2 Meritorious Masts, was awarded TWO NAMs, but never got my good cookie. Life was good, unless you were naval SP and I kicked your ass.
 
2014-04-10 08:53:59 PM

drtgb: Back in 'Nam, when I was in the Core, we paid to go fight the gooks. I served in Iran, Afganistan and in Gernada and I paid for my airline ticket over to the 'big show' every time. I killed probably a few thousand towel heads and fragged a few hundered ginks. Damn, I never even cashed a paycheck. Marines don't want no pay. They just want a fight, kill, explode things and get Osama Bin Loudin.... and we will one day. Sempera figh! My brothers know what I am talking about. You guys don't know nothing.


I took the ASVAB my senior year in high school just in case I wasn't able to finish college.  I received the high score for my school that year.   The recruiting calls/letters started immediately, and continued for years.   I was contacted by the Army, Navy, Air Force, National Guard and the Coast Guard, but I never did hear from the Marines.  I used to joke with my ex-Marine buddy that the USMC motto is, "We like 'em big and stupid."

BTW,  I received the last recruiting letter (from the NG) when I was 42 years old.
 
2014-04-10 08:56:13 PM
That outta do wonders for recruiting and retention.
 
2014-04-10 09:06:48 PM
SgtMaj Barret is a jackass.
 
2014-04-10 09:07:27 PM
Robin Hoodie:

/everybody speaks 5.56

LOL

Somehow I have missed hearing this one before, so naturally I am stealing it and will not be attributing any credit.

/You know what helps to break down the walls people put up around themselves?  Naval gunfire.
 
2014-04-10 09:09:55 PM
Well, to continue... this was a required course when I served in the late 80s...

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...and we still had Marines who found out how quickly they could end up living beyond their means.

Forcing Marines to risk their lives while the government refuses to pay them a wage that puts them above the poverty level is a disgrace. Even worse, because compared to the weapons systems the DoD blows money (and their loads all over) on, wages are a drop in the bucket.
 
2014-04-10 09:55:52 PM
I mean what can we do with a standing army that we can't do with drones
 
2014-04-10 10:16:59 PM
FTA: "They want to know about what new equipment are we getting, are we continuing to modernize. Just because the budget sucks, does that mean we're not going to get our new gear?"

It should. I mean people like me are paying for it. But hey Sarge, what's that term I'm thinking of.....oh yeah... "Make do with what you have". Your gear will last a while. Just be sure to pay the mechanics well enough to keep it all running.
 
2014-04-10 10:17:54 PM

charlesmartel11235: I mean what can we do with a standing army that we can't do with drones


For starters, take and hold territory. Whether we SHOULD be doing that, or not, is another discussion.
 
2014-04-10 11:06:20 PM

anuran: HotIgneous Intruder: No.
He makes $7,816.20 per month.
Hard life.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp
Plus food, housing, moving expenses, lifetime free medical and dental, family allowance, clothing allowance, extra money if he's deployed overseas....


Yep, the $7816.20/month is just what gets taxed. Except if he spends 24 hours in any nation authorizing Imminent Danger Pay - then that base pay will receive a combat zone exclusion for its entire month.

He also receives:
$2830/month tax-free Housing Allowance (E-9, Dependents, Pentagon as permanent duty station)
$357.55/month tax-free Subsistence Allowance
$166.67/month tax-free Personal Money Allowance (as senior service NCO)

By contrast, an unmarried/childless E-1 will be paid $1532/month after being awarded his/her MOS. If for some reason they are assigned to a duty station away from normal barracks (like a home station recruiting tour), they will also receive a $511/month tax-free housing allowance and the $357.55/month tax-free Subsistence Allowance.


charlesmartel11235: I mean what can we do with a standing army that we can't do with drones


They aren't Skynet, dude. Remote-Piloted Aircraft still need someone looking at the videos and launching the missiles.
 
2014-04-10 11:19:10 PM
Damn man, you know someone in the administration offered him a much better position to stab his men in the backs than what he's getting now if he's saying this.
 
2014-04-10 11:31:53 PM

clkeagle: By contrast, an unmarried/childless E-1 will be paid $1532/month after being awarded his/her MOS. If for some reason they are assigned to a duty station away from normal barracks (like a home station recruiting tour), they will also receive a $511/month tax-free housing allowance and the $357.55/month tax-free Subsistence Allowance.


Boy, those military guys are living FAT! We should totally cut their SNAP allotments and Medicare benefits to their dependents, because what the f*ck are they expecting out of their country, a free ride?
 
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