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(Marine Corps Times)   Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps explains how cutting the pay and benefits of junior troops will somehow make make the military a more disciplined, stronger organization   (marinecorpstimes.com) divider line 117
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2014-04-10 05:53:41 PM
"I mean, look at those Marines, standing proudly in that line to apply for food stamps!  Another example of discipline, like when they stood in line to do the monkey bars before and after lunch!"
 
2014-04-10 06:12:31 PM
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
 
2014-04-10 06:12:32 PM
Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?
 
2014-04-10 06:12:44 PM
The Marines have done so much with so little for so long, that eventually they will be able to do anything for ever with nothing.
 
2014-04-10 06:13:03 PM
If the Marines REALLY loved their country, they'd fight for free.
 
2014-04-10 06:13:42 PM

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


It'll certainly drive out all those in uniform who did it for the money.  Almost as bad as those freeloading public school teachers.
 
2014-04-10 06:14:12 PM
Someone once said, "when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".
 
2014-04-10 06:14:36 PM
This guys a real tool.
 
2014-04-10 06:14:39 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-04-10 06:15:10 PM
Love hearing this from some high ranking lifer who's already set with a good salary, lifetime pension, healthcare, etc...  He got his, now close the gates on everyone else.
The military should really be spending more money on lifestyle & budgeting classes for new recruits.  No schools teach basic budgeting, checking account balancing, interest rate calculation, payday-loan scam awareness, and other necessary life skills anymore.
 
2014-04-10 06:15:31 PM
What. An. Asshole.
 
2014-04-10 06:16:57 PM
Sounds like my old boss that made 6x as much as me calling me greedy for wanting a dollar and hour raise I was promised.
 
2014-04-10 06:17:13 PM

Jument: Someone once said, "when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".


A militia of monkeys for peanuts? Done!

("Damn dirty apes.")
 
2014-04-10 06:17:30 PM

Fusilier: This guys a real tool.


And he will have plenty of people people screaming that he is right. And I bet a lot of them will be retired Marines that are living off of a nice pension from the Marines.
 
2014-04-10 06:17:34 PM
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-10 06:17:47 PM

Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.


This, times eleventy
 
2014-04-10 06:18:58 PM
I was a marine for 10 years, and I can say the pay and benefits for a private aren't really good to begin with. Making them lower isn't going to make the marine corps more disciplined or stronger. It's going to piss off the junior marines more than they are, and all the work done to get marines to drink less is going to count for shiat. Cuz with less money, all these poor bastards can afford to do in their time off Is drink until they forget how shorty their lives are.
 
2014-04-10 06:19:52 PM

meat0918: Isn't cutting pay to the military one of the best ways to start a coup?


Pretty soon the Sargent Major will be marching up and down the square all by himself.
 
2014-04-10 06:20:06 PM

Dirty J1: I was a marine for 10 years, and I can say the pay and benefits for a private aren't really good to begin with. Making them lower isn't going to make the marine corps more disciplined or stronger. It's going to piss off the junior marines more than they are, and all the work done to get marines to drink less is going to count for shiat. Cuz with less money, all these poor bastards can afford to do in their time off Is drink until they forget how shorty their lives are.


How shiatty their lives are.
 
2014-04-10 06:21:35 PM
Is he trying for a promotion to Command Sergeant Major?

Or is that an equivalent rank to Sergeant Major. The wiki is unclear.
 
2014-04-10 06:21:41 PM
So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?
 
2014-04-10 06:21:45 PM
It will be interesting to see if this can possibly work without lowering admission standards as well to keep force numbers at least static.

"As I talk to thousands of audiences, they want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."

To be honest though, it does sound like he's been talking to the active E3 and below with that comment.
;-)
 
2014-04-10 06:22:44 PM
Didn't Homer Simpson have the same idea about garbagemen?
 
2014-04-10 06:23:11 PM
www.nativeworkplace.com

Bohica.
 
2014-04-10 06:23:37 PM
This is the kind of mental illness that has us circling the drain of empires....

/Eighteen-year-olds don't give a fark about retirement.
 
2014-04-10 06:25:26 PM
When I was in the Core, the soldiers didn't act this way.
 
2014-04-10 06:25:30 PM

mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?


E-9 with 10 years plus experience brings home 4788.90 per/mo.
 
2014-04-10 06:27:09 PM

nipner: Love hearing this from some high ranking lifer who's already set with a good salary, lifetime pension, healthcare, etc...  He got his, now close the gates on everyone else.


"I got mine, fark you". He sounds Republican.
 
2014-04-10 06:27:23 PM

mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?


correction!

he having more than 33 years experience puts him at 6743.34 per/mo.
 
2014-04-10 06:27:55 PM
No.
He makes $7,816.20 per month.
Hard life.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp
 
2014-04-10 06:27:58 PM
Pretty sure you can increase morale by increasing pay and benefits, too.
 
2014-04-10 06:28:47 PM
Marine Core Hard.
 
2014-04-10 06:28:57 PM

nipner: Love hearing this from some high ranking lifer who's already set with a good salary, lifetime pension, healthcare, etc...  He got his, now close the gates on everyone else.
The military should really be spending more money on lifestyle & budgeting classes for new recruits.  No schools teach basic budgeting, checking account balancing, interest rate calculation, payday-loan scam awareness, and other necessary life skills anymore.


Came here to say the first part of this.

It seems that 99.99% of the time, when decision makers talk about slashing salaries, it usually is one or two steps below them.*


*depending on how smart they are. The smart ones leave a buffer.
 
2014-04-10 06:29:18 PM
Ew, Marines.

This guy should lead the way and take the first pay cut, showing his lower enlisted how this whole "living with less" is gonna work first hand.
 
2014-04-10 06:29:50 PM

telejester: When I was in the Core, the soldiers didn't act this way.


Warrior code?
 
2014-04-10 06:29:50 PM

Jument: Someone once said, "when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".


I like, "you don't get an 'A Team' on 'F Troop' pay."
 
2014-04-10 06:31:15 PM

mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 06:32:23 PM
Well, Sergeant Major, let's just do it and see how low you'll have to lower enlistment standards to fill the ranks.

Easier to find infantry than someone to fix your classified network of course.

But, you've peaked out your career and heading for the Villages in the near future. Why not screw those coming behind you?
 
2014-04-10 06:32:29 PM
The Marines allow the Sergeant Majors to smoke crack now?

Huh.

/ goodnight Chesty, wherever you are.
 
2014-04-10 06:33:31 PM

mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?


Wikipedia says "$7,609.50 per month"
 
2014-04-10 06:34:20 PM
And this guy's definitely headed for conservative think tank/Fox Newz on-air consultant territory when he's done.
 
2014-04-10 06:35:41 PM

strangeluck: Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.

This, times eleventy

and six

FTFY
 
2014-04-10 06:36:53 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 06:37:15 PM
fark this guy. "Hey, we need to slash the military budget," said Congress for the first time EVER. "Hmn, what's the most wasteful thing we can cut? Oh, I know, lets fark the little guy like we do in the civilian world. . ."
 
2014-04-10 06:37:15 PM

strangeluck: Bonzo_1116: Christ, what an asshole.

This, times eleventy and six


FTFY

/this time
//without the shiat formatting
 
2014-04-10 06:38:51 PM

mjohnson71: So what does the Sgt Major of the Marine Corps get paid a year?


This, if there's waste, it's at the high end.  The careers, in it for life, don't need paychecks that large or benefits like education.

20 years and punch out on pension?  That's a lot of moolah right there.  Extend that to 25-30 minimum.  A longer career cycle means that you don't need as many recruits trained in as replacements as frequently.

That's the halmark of a good leader, one that the troops will do anything for, a CO that sacrifices so that they don't have to, a CO that will put their ass on the line right next to the troops. A CO that looks out for his underlings, one who will fight FOR their rights and pay.

This jackhole is looking to get some wall to wall counseling, in all reality.  Tires slashed, chow hall food spat or jerked off into, things that smell atrocious hidden in his office.  Any prank that people think is too extreme and hurtful(and generally they are too much to do to normal people..), this guy is earning in spades.
 
2014-04-10 06:41:01 PM
On the one hand, he's full of crap. On the other, at least this isn't coming from the Commandant of the Marine Corps, a four-star general who makes $193,000 per year--before you factor in the Basic Allowance for Housing. (By the way, BAH for the Commandant is roughly $3100 per month, so his salary can really be said to amount to $230,000 a year. Isn't that lovely?)

Except...the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (SgtMajMarCor) earns damn near $90,000 a year (plus BAH). Your basic enlisted grunt earns less than one-sixth of that amount upon recruitment. Is it a wonder, then, why a lot of military families are not only living below the poverty line, but are on food stamps as well?
 
2014-04-10 06:41:37 PM
He's an asshole. However, I agree with this form of his opinion:

"A soldier who is not concerned with pay is a more disciplined or more dedicated soldier. Or both."

Yeah, if you can find the gung-ho patriots who want nothing more than to keep America safe and a minimum of food, clothing, and shelter, you've got a pretty good army.

This reality is not that fantasy.

Good luck filling the ranks. We remember how the Pentagon lowered admission standards during Bush's war.
 
2014-04-10 06:42:04 PM
imageshack.com
 
2014-04-10 06:42:39 PM
he should have finished up his comment with "my personal advise brought to you by Lockheed Martin, when you needed it yesterday for 6 times the cost, trust Lockheed Martin".
 
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