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(Boston Globe)   Sometimes, you just gotta park next to that hydrant to make it to the gym in 26 minutes. And, sometimes, karma happens   (bostonglobe.com ) divider line
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2014-04-10 10:45:37 PM  

MylesHeartVodak: stewbert: MylesHeartVodak: Invincible: felching pen: ZAZ: Thingster

Broken glass is normally a zero-deductible insurance claim.

With any luck at all, there's a coverage exclusion for events in the commission of a crime or other violation, so this jerk gets to pay the hydrant parking ticket and the repair bills out of pocket.

Yup, the ticket just ensures the insurance company is aware and can deny all coverage.

This person gets it.  A ticket for the violation and the insurance company can give the BMW owner the finger.  Repairs are their own problem.  The damages were the result from their own illegal parking.  Get cited in an accident, you get no money for repairs.

Ex-Texan: I know there's insurance, but there should be a clause in the policy to exempt paying for this kinda crap. I'd like to heal them squeal about it in court. Too bad the firefighters didn't take a dump in it too. A side dose of humiliation for the driver is in order too, like a bumper sticker for DUI convictions.

See above.

DUI accidents are covered by insurance.

Maybe in your state, or by your company, Hubie.  Stick with thT company.

We both work in the same industry, and in the same exec positions.

I know that my own insurance company tried to "explore their options" in my only claim, even after 25+ years.  I rolled down a mountain 3-1/2 times, more than 200 feet downhill, after closing the kitchen late at night.  The local insurance company sent a State Trooper to breathalyze me, when I was strapped down and still being treated in the ER.  I was fully cleared, but they did their damnedest to show that a weather-related accident was my fault.  I was not at fault.  They had to pay, but they increased my rate to ridiculous amounts.  Nobody else will sign me for at least one more year.  I have to pay their blackmail until this one and only accident (Only one in 25+ years of driving with the same insurance company.)

Insurance agents are your best friends until you have a claim.


If you were cleared, why won't another company sign you?

I had a bit of an indiscretion in my past, wholly at fault, my car totaled, telephone pole in pieces, transformer and lines down, private property damage. Insurance covered it, then immediately dropped me.

I was insured within 5 days through another company, paying the same rate I was at the other company pre-wreck.
 
2014-04-10 10:51:52 PM  

Lachwen: jbrooks544:I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose.

Tell me again how under the car would be a "better angle."


The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.
 
2014-04-10 10:58:53 PM  

BlueBox: RatMotor: As a BMW tech, I approve of the firefighters' solution. Pay my bills baby.

You are doing it wrong.  Switch to a Subaru tech and find a drop of oil that dripped off the stick while checking the level.  "This needs to be handled.  Your dog might lick it.  We can fix that for about $350 and it will only take an hour.".


Animals don't lick oil, they go for coolant, and even that has changed in the last decade or so as the formulation has changed to eliminate the sweet flavor they were attracted to.
Boxer motors are always a PITA to work on, that's probably only an hour labor plus parts & maybe a fluid top-off.

At my dealership, we would probably quote ~4 hours labor per door to this guy - you have to completely dismantle the door to get every last shard of safety glass out, or it will rattle around in there forever, then those frameless windows on the coupes need to be carefully adjusted or there will be water leaks/wind noise.  Eight hours labor plus whatever the glass costs, I'd guess ballpark $2000 in repairs, assuming there's no other interior damage and that sheetmetal damage to the rear quarter panel was already there.
 
2014-04-10 11:05:47 PM  

RatMotor: Eight hours labor plus whatever the glass costs, I'd guess ballpark $2000 in repairs, assuming there's no other interior damage and that sheetmetal damage to the rear quarter panel was already there.


The car was two days old. There's also a nice ding in the door in addition to the quarter panel...
 
2014-04-10 11:15:29 PM  

dolphkhan: RatMotor: Eight hours labor plus whatever the glass costs, I'd guess ballpark $2000 in repairs, assuming there's no other interior damage and that sheetmetal damage to the rear quarter panel was already there.

The car was two days old. There's also a nice ding in the door in addition to the quarter panel...


Can't see the door damage in the pics provided, but that quarter is hammered, no amount of massaging will ever get that straight again.

Also, the 4 series that replaces the 3 coupe has been in dealers for two months now, he might have owned it for two days, but I doubt it was two days old.

Sounds like you have first hand knowledge of the situation?
 
2014-04-10 11:21:39 PM  

RatMotor: Can't see the door damage in the pics provided, but that quarter is hammered, no amount of massaging will ever get that straight again.

Also, the 4 series that replaces the 3 coupe has been in dealers for two months now, he might have owned it for two days, but I doubt it was two days old.

Sounds like you have first hand knowledge of the situation?


Good point, I don't know cars. The news said the guy had just bought it two days ago.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/illegally-parked-bmw-smashed-b y- firefighters-was-brand-new/
 
2014-04-10 11:28:05 PM  

jbrooks544: Lachwen: jbrooks544:I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose.

Tell me again how under the car would be a "better angle."

The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.


Curb.  Also, explain to me how it's easier to for them to fish it underneath the car where it's a lot more difficult for people in full bunker gear to be pushing and pulling it through?  Unfortunately have come to expect this "criticize them for any reason" attitude from internet tough-guys for stories about cops, but firefighters?
 
2014-04-10 11:45:15 PM  

crm114: jbrooks544: Lachwen: jbrooks544:I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose.

Tell me again how under the car would be a "better angle."

The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.

Curb.  Also, explain to me how it's easier to for them to fish it underneath the car where it's a lot more difficult for people in full bunker gear to be pushing and pulling it through?  Unfortunately have come to expect this "criticize them for any reason" attitude from internet tough-guys for stories about cops, but firefighters?


Yeah, that's what I am, an internet tough guy. It is just impossible and unimaginable that I might possibly be correct, or that our sainted firefighters could ever do wrong.
 
2014-04-10 11:50:33 PM  

dolphkhan: RatMotor: Can't see the door damage in the pics provided, but that quarter is hammered, no amount of massaging will ever get that straight again.

Also, the 4 series that replaces the 3 coupe has been in dealers for two months now, he might have owned it for two days, but I doubt it was two days old.

Sounds like you have first hand knowledge of the situation?

Good point, I don't know cars. The news said the guy had just bought it two days ago.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/illegally-parked-bmw-smashed-b y- firefighters-was-brand-new/


Gonna guess bought used two days ago, but yeah, it's gonna need some serious work:
cbsboston.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-11 12:00:08 AM  

jbrooks544: crm114: jbrooks544: Lachwen: jbrooks544:I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose.

Tell me again how under the car would be a "better angle."

The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.

Curb.  Also, explain to me how it's easier to for them to fish it underneath the car where it's a lot more difficult for people in full bunker gear to be pushing and pulling it through?  Unfortunately have come to expect this "criticize them for any reason" attitude from internet tough-guys for stories about cops, but firefighters?

Yeah, that's what I am, an internet tough guy. It is just impossible and unimaginable that I might possibly be correct, or that our sainted firefighters could ever do wrong.


It's your car isn't it..  Go ahead, let it out...  We know you want to cry all about it...  "It's not fair, I only parked there for a moment cause I heard there was a fire nearby"

Your a Douche Bag.

i242.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-11 12:10:01 AM  

jbrooks544: Lachwen: jbrooks544:I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose.

Tell me again how under the car would be a "better angle."

The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.


Going through the window prevents the owner from hopping in the car and driving over the hose when he decides to leave.
 
2014-04-11 12:24:30 AM  
My sister in law is a firefighter and this is actually quite common. When she first started 10 years ago she'd email pics out the next day, but the novelty has long worn off. They also use the trucks to push cars out of the way and once she had to cut the side of a delivery van open to run a hose. On a few occasions she's intentionally bumped moving cars on roads when they wouldn't yield right of way.
 
2014-04-11 02:20:44 AM  

KublaiKhan: downstairs:No, you're not.  I can imagine the frustration.  I'm not a fireman or anything like that... but I live a block from a fire station.  I see it every friggin' week.  People have no idea how to deal with a fire truck or ambulance when driving.  Its insane!  Get the fark out of the way!

Oh it can be frustrating as hell, but sometimes people generally don't see/hear you coming, even with the sirens and lights.  What gets me are the people that flick you off, tail you after you pass them like we're blocking for them, or just act as if we're a huge inconvenience for them with dirty looks and horns beeping.


And they will be the same people who biatch and moan incessantly that you didn't arrive soon enough to put the fire out when their house is burning down around their ears
 
2014-04-11 02:33:28 AM  

Russ1642: I can't stand the people that think they're entitled to special rules because they got out of the way. Dove into a left turn lane to make way for the truck? That was nice of you. Guess what? When that left turn arrow comes up you have to fraking turn left now. You can't just sit there fraking up traffic for a couple cycles.


Alternatively, we all pulled onto the shoulder on the right like we're supposed to.  Now that the truck passed, some jerk has sped back into the road and is trying to pass everybody.  Just let everybody back on in the same order they were in before they pulled over.  Not difficult, special guy.
 
2014-04-11 06:38:23 AM  

jbrooks544: Yeah, that's what I am, an internet tough guy. It is just impossible and unimaginable that I might possibly be correct, or that our sainted firefighters could ever do wrong.


You're not correct. At all.  Probably not ever.
You don't park in front of hydrants. Period.  What happens "if you do" isn't relevant, because your shouldn't be doing it.
Personal responsibility. Look into it.
 
2014-04-11 07:17:26 AM  

Dl_white_power: It was only a 328. An M3 or 335 owner would not have taken a chance.
/Handicapped and dual space parking is another story.


I saw some stupid ass take up four spaces.  It wasn't a BMW, it was some super car, I didn't give a crap about what model it was just the stupid fark took up four spaces.
 
2014-04-11 07:37:34 AM  

serial_crusher: Russ1642: I can't stand the people that think they're entitled to special rules because they got out of the way. Dove into a left turn lane to make way for the truck? That was nice of you. Guess what? When that left turn arrow comes up you have to fraking turn left now. You can't just sit there fraking up traffic for a couple cycles.

Alternatively, we all pulled onto the shoulder on the right like we're supposed to.  Now that the truck passed, some jerk has sped back into the road and is trying to pass everybody.  Just let everybody back on in the same order they were in before they pulled over.  Not difficult, special guy.


The ones who try to pass everyone after the rig goes by should be forced to go to the fire scene and have a hose run through their windows.

One of the most amazing things I ever saw was on I95 in Philly: fire truck splitting traffic to get to an accident (narrow shoulders, so they were going down the middle and everyone was moving left or right) with a line of cars behind it, also splitting traffic taking advantage of the hole the truck was making. I fully expected to see a cop writing tickets to a whole line of cars when I finally got to the scene, but nothing.

It was better the time I saw a PA state trooper walk right in front of a car using the shoulder to pass the stopped traffic and then loudly chew out the driver for being an ass.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-11 08:32:52 AM  
Criminal acts do not void Massachusetts car insurance. If I get drunk and mow down a gang of schoolkids, I'm covered up to policy limits. If I illegally drive over a fire hose my insurance pays for the hose. If the company can prove I intended to cause the damage, their liability is reduced. They still have to buy a new hose or new second grader, but they don't have to fix my car. But breaking the law does not prove intent to harm.

I see nothing in the comprehensive insurance policy language that would exempt damage that could be blamed on the insured, unless the damage was intended by the insured.

Blocking a hydrant isn't even a crime. The state decriminalized parking tickets ages ago so they could be an easier source of revenue.

A general liability policy, like homeowner's insurance, is likely to disclaim coverage for criminal acts, but car insurance is special.
 
2014-04-11 09:59:52 AM  
$100?  I think that fine is $285 bucks here.
 
2014-04-11 11:12:31 AM  
jbrooks544:  I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose. It takes a lot more tone and effort to; 1. Find a tool and break both Windows; 2. Manhandle the hose through the car ; 3. then later gather a bunch of people to have to move the car. It is obvious that they went well out of their way to maliciously destroy private property, outside the limits of the law. I guess you guys are all ok with vigilante firemen dispensing street justice.
Don't get me wrong, I in no way condone parking in front of hydrants. They should be fined (I think more than $100). If people don't think the fine is high enough, then lobby to change the law. The firemen went out of their way to unnecessarily cause thousands of dollars in damage. You all seem to just be ok with that. Huh..


We always have tools with us.  This "finding a tool" was the first indication to me that you have no idea what you're talking about.  Most of us carry window punches already in our turnout gear, and on a fire scene, unless you're on the tip, you always have a tool with you, whether it's a set of irons or a hook.

Gathering people to move the vehicle was necessary to chase the kink out of the hose.  And you're right, it is obvious that the firefighters had to go out of their way to do this.  During a one alarm fire, let alone an eight alarm, being forced from the actual event at hand to have to deal with an asshat that shouldn't have impeded progress of the scene in the first place would technically be called "going out of the way."

And by going under the vehicle with the hoseline, you lose the ability to chase the kink vertically if need be because there's a whole car above you.  Over the car, your supply line would be too high, again losing the ability to chase the kink vertically.  So not only did this guy impede the supply of water, he also took men away from their main tasks of search, rescue, vent, and attack to move the car that shouldn't have been there in the first place.  And you're worried about "street justice."  Point being, this asshat should not have parked there in the first place, and he unfortunately had to reap the consequences of doing so.

Hope you get your Beemer fixed, soon.

Love, a saintly, vigilante firefighter
 
2014-04-11 01:23:00 PM  
jbrooks544:
The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.

Know how I know you've never handled a 4 inch feed hose when it's charged?

Here's a tip.  Fill that flexible hose with high pressure water and it's going to try to kick upwards as it becomes rigid.  (not that I expect you know much about flexible tubes becoming rigid when filled with liquid, but that's neither here nor there)  No space for the upwards kick, you get a kink, then you're farked.

KublaiKhan don't use technical terms like "chase the kink", I'll bet he thinks that's what you do on Saturday nights at the bar...you know...THAT bar...

/just dogpiling on this idiot
//not a firefighter, but has nonetheless had to wrangle hoses
 
2014-04-11 04:44:28 PM  

jbrooks544: crm114: jbrooks544: Lachwen: jbrooks544:I call BULLSHIAT. If their real priority was getting water quickly then they would have run the hose under the car. Easier, faster, better angle to the hose.

Tell me again how under the car would be a "better angle."

The photo doesn't look conclusive. From what I see, the bottom of the car looks closer to the outlet than the window sill. Also, the window is off to the side, whereas the underside route wouldn't require an up angle, then another turn to go through the car. I'm sure you are right though, it is impossible that they went out of their way to just be dick bags, or because they saw it in done crappy movie.

Curb.  Also, explain to me how it's easier to for them to fish it underneath the car where it's a lot more difficult for people in full bunker gear to be pushing and pulling it through?  Unfortunately have come to expect this "criticize them for any reason" attitude from internet tough-guys for stories about cops, but firefighters?

Yeah, that's what I am, an internet tough guy. It is just impossible and unimaginable that I might possibly be correct, or that our sainted firefighters could ever do wrong.


You're defending a guy who put the general public in jeopardy just to spare himself the inconvenience of looking for another parking spot. Do you really want to die on this hill?
 
2014-04-11 06:51:52 PM  
You know, the Marine Corps Logistics Vehicle Replacement (LVSR) wrecker variant has a claw on it that's more than powerful enough for the truck to drive up to an ordinary sedan and lift it whole...we should start putting those on fire trucks :-)
 
2014-04-11 06:58:49 PM  

Jument: "There is really nothing funny about it," he added.

I'm going to have to disagree with that statement.


Me too. I got an LOL out of it.
 
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