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2014-04-10 03:13:09 PM
It could also be this graph:


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 03:28:39 PM
There's no money in solving the nation's problems.
 
2014-04-10 04:04:02 PM
Gerrymandering districts will do that...
 
2014-04-10 04:13:50 PM
The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.
 
2014-04-10 04:16:17 PM
There are tons of moderates. It's just that now they are almost all in one party so obviously there is now less overlap between the parties.
 
2014-04-10 04:16:59 PM
That is super scientific and proves that both sides are equally extreme and bad.
 
2014-04-10 04:23:04 PM

Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.


The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.
 
2014-04-10 04:23:49 PM

Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.


and will refuse to play unless the laws of physics are changed.
 
2014-04-10 04:33:11 PM

Tigger: Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.

and will refuse to play unless the laws of physics are changed.


I think this is what you guys are after.

voteview.com
 
2014-04-10 04:37:21 PM
wow, both sides are bad huh

that's certainly not an argument i've seen before
 
2014-04-10 05:02:01 PM
What's irritating though is that the Republicans have gone farther right than the Democrats have gone left.
 
2014-04-10 05:02:21 PM
Stick a fork in this country, we had a good run.  The transition to our next government will be.....messy.
 
2014-04-10 05:02:59 PM

unyon: Tigger: Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.

and will refuse to play unless the laws of physics are changed.

I think this is what you guys are after.

[voteview.com image 850x423]


It's almost like something happened in the eighties to draw in an extremist contingent into one party's fold.

Seems pretty significant. Wonder if anyone saw that coming...
 
2014-04-10 05:05:51 PM
 
2014-04-10 05:06:41 PM
Utterly ridiculous and misleading chart. Whoever put that together should write Fark headlines.
 
2014-04-10 05:08:14 PM
If they can't even agree on anything in one graph, it's unlikely they'll agree on anything of real consequence unless that's one powerful graph..
 
2014-04-10 05:09:51 PM
If you unskew the graph in the article, it clearly shows that the left has become elenty-hundred percent more unwilling to compromise as they have moved to the left of traditional American values.
 
2014-04-10 05:10:07 PM
That explains alot, and is exactly what I thought.

This is why we need to get rid of primaries.  It will get rid of extremists on both sides.
 
2014-04-10 05:14:00 PM
Well that's just like, your opinion, man.
 
2014-04-10 05:14:39 PM
I just want to see that autism graph from yesterday where girls come down with autism at a slower rate than "everybody"... That's the best graph I've seen. Honorable mention goes to the OTHER one from yesterday that someone posted that was a survey of browser usage that included Outlook for some reason.

No other graphs all week but those two, they make me laugh.
 
2014-04-10 05:15:47 PM

Banned on the Run: That explains alot, and is exactly what I thought.

This is why we need to get rid of primaries.  It will get rid of extremists on both sides.


So what you're proposing is having to choose from a hundred or more candidates? Primaries are better than places like Utah where it's totally a delegate system.
 
2014-04-10 05:18:21 PM

Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.


That was my immediate take-away. There are very few extreme lefties/progressives in congress. Most democrats are pretty centrist.
 
2014-04-10 05:20:10 PM

Serious Black: The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.


Who told you about Glaxnor'z 7? I demand names! :-)

IMHO, they've both pulled apart nicely. It's almost like watching cellular mitosis. Democrats got healthcare and a mini dream act. The Republicans got Jesus and stuff.

Yay! Everyone's a loser.
 
2014-04-10 05:23:56 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: unyon: Tigger: Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.

and will refuse to play unless the laws of physics are changed.

I think this is what you guys are after.

[voteview.com image 850x423]

It's almost like something happened in the eighties to draw in an extremist contingent into one party's fold.

Seems pretty significant. Wonder if anyone saw that coming...


spydersden.files.wordpress.com

That's the joke, right?
 
2014-04-10 05:27:04 PM

fusillade762: That's the joke, right?


Good ol' K7UGA... no real comparison to Dr. Ron Paul... Oh well.

No... I don't think it is a joke. Be afraid.

Be very afraid.
 
2014-04-10 05:33:37 PM

Zmog: http://xkcd.com/1127/large/


Wow! That was beautiful. Best  diagram of Political America I've ever seen.I'm sure it could be extrapolated to an extraordinary degree... and some Farker should do it. That would make it even better.
 
2014-04-10 05:39:01 PM

Tigger: Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.

and will refuse to play unless the laws of physics are changed.


I was about to say Serious Black won the thread, but then you came along and took it from him.
 
2014-04-10 05:42:07 PM

grumpfuff: Tigger: Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.

and will refuse to play unless the laws of physics are changed.

I was about to say Serious Black won the thread, but then you came along and took it from him.


We both won!
Laughing at GOP shiat wizards is a team sport.
 
2014-04-10 05:42:34 PM

Serious Black: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

The Democrats and Republicans used to line up on their 40-yard lines. The Democrats have moved back to their 30. The Republicans have moved to a stadium located on the planet Glaxnor'z 7 on the far side of the Andromeda Galaxy.


I agree with your assessment of the GOP, but the Dems are mostly lining up on the 50, if not in GOP territory.
 
2014-04-10 05:43:11 PM
The graph is a fail for not mentioning re-alignment.  Yesterday's conservative Democrats became today's conservative Republicans, and yesterday's Rockefeller Republicans are today Democrats.
 
2014-04-10 05:43:12 PM

Bazzlex001: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

That was my immediate take-away. There are very few extreme lefties/progressives in congress. Most democrats are pretty centrist spineless.


FTFY

/not saying ALL centrists are spineless
//just most of the ones in Congress
 
2014-04-10 05:48:44 PM
Republicans refuse to negotiate with Democrats
Democrats refuse to do everything Republicans want!

Can't you see both sides are bad libtatoes?

---
I actually heard on this newscast where they were trying to be BS "Balanced", in fact it was "liberal" NPR. A Republican got on said they refused to raise any taxes at all no matter what. The Democrat gets on and says they are would willing to make cuts but only if the Republicans would do some tax increases. At the end the news caster said something "Well I guess nothing will get done because both sides refuse to compromise!"
 
2014-04-10 05:52:34 PM
You're all idiots.

It's very simple, the less they agree, the less they do, the more you give them because you think that the "other party" is at fault.
 
2014-04-10 05:55:55 PM

pippi longstocking: You're all idiots.

It's very simple, the less they agree, the less they do, the more you give them because you think that the "other party" is at fault.


Both sides bad, eh? Haven't heard that one before.
 
2014-04-10 05:57:25 PM

Empty Matchbook: Bazzlex001: Dinki: The graph is a bit of a fail. It implies that both sides have become more radical. Any honest examination of the policy positions of the two parties shows that one side has barely moved from their long standing positions (Even moving some to the other side) whereas the other side has gone far off the deep end.

That was my immediate take-away. There are very few extreme lefties/progressives in congress. Most democrats are pretty centrist spineless.

FTFY

/not saying ALL centrists are spineless
//just most of the ones in Congress


Relatively fair. But the fact that they have had to essentially adopt the anti-republican stance instead of the pro-anything stance certainly doesn't help.

But I do question whether or not what we attribute as spinelessness is simply an apathy for the things which we care about.
 
2014-04-10 05:57:34 PM
A lot of this is related to an improvement in marketing technique. The two political parties are basically giant marketing / propaganda operations, and they've gotten much better at message discipline and enforcing conformity within their own ranks so as to purify the brand. Doing this has the benefit of being able to paint the other side as completely evil, so of course that makes any compromise in Congress impossible.
 
2014-04-10 05:58:36 PM

pippi longstocking: You're all idiots.


I just pictured you angrily yelling that in a mirrored room and laughed.
 
2014-04-10 05:59:35 PM
Better graphs that actually represent the problem:
voteview.com
voteview.com
 
2014-04-10 06:01:25 PM
www.washingtonpost.com

Amazing.  With all the differences between people, parties, and general randomness, both parties managed to start out EXACTLY the same distance from the center, and change EXACTLY the same amount!

Just when you think political reporting can't get any more lazy...
 
2014-04-10 06:02:09 PM

Witty_Retort: Better graphs that actually represent the problem:
[voteview.com image 675x454]
[voteview.com image 675x454]


Interesting. I'm surprised the Southern Democrats didn't rate as even more conservative.
 
2014-04-10 06:02:58 PM

Krymson Tyde: I agree with your assessment of the GOP, but the Dems are mostly lining up on the 50, if not in GOP territory.


IMHO, this is how it happens. Members of both parties think they're caving in. This provides the impetus to pull away.

I'm caught myself doing it, thinking the conservatives are becoming more liberal (extending unemployment, ignoring Ukraine, not pursuing Benghazi, etc...)
 
2014-04-10 06:06:20 PM

Destructor: Krymson Tyde: I agree with your assessment of the GOP, but the Dems are mostly lining up on the 50, if not in GOP territory.

IMHO, this is how it happens. Members of both parties think they're caving in. This provides the impetus to pull away.

I'm caught myself doing it, thinking the conservatives are becoming more liberal (extending unemployment, ignoring Ukraine, not pursuing Benghazi, etc...)


Why help out Americans when there are people to bomb, amirite?

Also, if Republicans hadn't cut funding....
 
2014-04-10 06:10:53 PM
Prettier from the economist:

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 06:20:51 PM

sinanju: Prettier from the economist:

[img.fark.net image 297x733]


Prettier still, from the bakery:

static.neatorama.com
 
2014-04-10 06:21:58 PM

Witty_Retort: Why help out Americans when there are people to bomb, amirite?

Also, if Republicans hadn't cut funding....


I was simply offering those points as examples, just saying... "Here it is. This is how it happens."

If I had my druthers, I'd much rather see reasonable positions adopted by both sides... Instead, both accuse the other of being bad actors. And why not? Both have plenty of ammunition. It plays into the hands of their wacky bases... And all those bases seem interested in is consolidating their power at any expense.

In the few weeks I've been active here, I'm quite surprised about how much I have in common with liberals here. Sure there are plenty of differences. So? Those can be worked out--even ignore--to some degree by reasonable minds... I think/hope.
 
2014-04-10 06:27:13 PM

sinanju: Prettier from the economist:

[img.fark.net image 297x733]


From nature (Guess it's more like Meiosis... It's been a long time since high-school biology)

ghr.nlm.nih.gov
 
2014-04-10 07:15:09 PM

Mikey1969: Banned on the Run: That explains alot, and is exactly what I thought.

This is why we need to get rid of primaries.  It will get rid of extremists on both sides.

So what you're proposing is having to choose from a hundred or more candidates? Primaries are better than places like Utah where it's totally a delegate system.


No.  The 2 parties will still dominate.
If I'm wrong on that, then why aren't there hundreds of candidates in the primaries now? A: money.

There may be runoffs more frequently.
 
2014-04-10 07:19:36 PM

Witty_Retort: Better graphs that actually represent the problem:
[voteview.com image 675x454]
[voteview.com image 675x454]


One thing interesting in the graph was that Northern Democrats were the more conservative Democrats than Southern and that flipped flopped around the late 30th and early 40's. I wonder why. That was before the "Southern strategy".
 
2014-04-10 07:24:35 PM

Corvus: Witty_Retort: Better graphs that actually represent the problem:
[voteview.com image 675x454]
[voteview.com image 675x454]

One thing interesting in the graph was that Northern Democrats were the more conservative Democrats than Southern and that flipped flopped around the late 30th and early 40's. I wonder why. That was before the "Southern strategy".


Answering my own question: I wonder if it had to do with the Great Depression.
 
2014-04-10 07:35:58 PM

Banned on the Run: Mikey1969: Banned on the Run: That explains alot, and is exactly what I thought.

This is why we need to get rid of primaries.  It will get rid of extremists on both sides.

So what you're proposing is having to choose from a hundred or more candidates? Primaries are better than places like Utah where it's totally a delegate system.

No.  The 2 parties will still dominate.
If I'm wrong on that, then why aren't there hundreds of candidates in the primaries now? A: money.

There may be runoffs more frequently.


Nah, they already whittle it down from 10 candidates sometimes. If there weren't primaries, we'd probably have 2 dozen just from the 2 Parties, and every Joe with the deposit would try, too.

Don't get me wrong, I think the system is farked, I just wouldn't want the entire election cycle to be 3 or 4 times what we had to put up with '12 just from the Republicans.

I still think we need 4 or 5 viable parties though, so everything quits swinging so wildly to one side or the other, I just want a few choices when it comes to election day itself.
 
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