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(CNN)   Stabbing suspect's family was "like the Brady Bunch". Marcia, Marcia, Marcia   (cnn.com) divider line 53
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2014-04-10 02:50:59 PM  
So, he wanted to plow his step-sister and step-mom and his dad was a closet case with a perm?
 
2014-04-10 02:51:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: So, he wanted to plow his step-sister and step-mom and his dad was a closet case with a perm?


And the maid was always after Sam's meat.
 
2014-04-10 03:12:39 PM  
And he was like Sam the Butcher.
 
2014-04-10 04:44:47 PM  
DAMN YOU, TIKI IDOL!!!
 
2014-04-10 04:46:13 PM  

iheartscotch: DAMN YOU, TIKI IDOL!!!


Dammit, you posted as I read the headline.
 
2014-04-10 04:46:55 PM  
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2014-04-10 04:50:45 PM  
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2014-04-10 04:53:43 PM  

Jingle Strangle: [img.fark.net image 497x363]


When I watched this show I'd fantasize about hiding in that closet and peeking through the slats.
 
2014-04-10 04:53:48 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: [socialgraphics.files.wordpress.com image 677x551]


LOL@Greg's relationship status
 
2014-04-10 04:54:23 PM  
FTFA: "I feel he has some issues he has to work out," Hurt said.

Gee... ya think?
 
2014-04-10 04:57:25 PM  

namegoeshere: FTFA: "I feel he has some issues he has to work out," Hurt said.

Gee... ya think?


Well that's one way of working them out.
 
2014-04-10 04:57:27 PM  
jarviscity.com

Um, what?

/can you still poke people on Facebook?
 
2014-04-10 04:58:15 PM  
Sounds like the media is going to blame bullying for this one, until they know how many video games are installed on his computer.
 
2014-04-10 04:58:49 PM  
The Brady Bunch and stabbings in the same headline, and nobody posts this?

dvdmedia.ign.com

I am disappoint, fark.
 
2014-04-10 04:59:19 PM  
More like Brady Bill.
Cause you know, he didn't have a gun.
heh heh eheh

...I'll see myself out
 
2014-04-10 05:00:41 PM  
Bobby Brady's dealing crack. Marcia's on the pill. Mike's in bed with Alice and Sam sells dog chops at his meat shop. Greg is trying on garter belts and Peter spent 3 nights in jail. Murder in the brady house because Jan Brady couldn't stand it. Murder in the Brady house things were just too great. Murder in the Brady house someone had to break. Cindy called Jan a stinker for playing ball inside the house. She tattletaled while Alice kissed the postman on the mouth. Blood is on the tv screen and guts are on the stairs. Murder in the Brady house and no-one even cares...
 
2014-04-10 05:00:44 PM  
He was distraught over the loss of Tiger.
 
2014-04-10 05:03:39 PM  
Man I feel for all the victims and their families in this.

I also worry that a lot of "smart but quiet" kids are about to get targeted with some very negative attention.

As a teen that got targeted with bad jokes and a bit of harassment after Columbine happened just because I wore a lot of black (I was not Goth in the slightest and did not own a trench coat) and was very quiet and people thought I was gay (I wasn't) because I didn't have a girlfriend, well it wasn't fun.
 
2014-04-10 05:05:53 PM  
I'll bet his cousin Oliver was what pushed him over the edge.
 
2014-04-10 05:07:49 PM  
Maybe he hit his head and started thinking he was Ginger.
 
2014-04-10 05:08:15 PM  
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2014-04-10 05:08:54 PM  
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2014-04-10 05:09:23 PM  
Some classmates at Franklin Regional Senior High School describe him as having few friends and being quiet

It's always the lurkers
 
2014-04-10 05:11:16 PM  
"They're like the Brady Bunch."
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2014-04-10 05:13:06 PM  

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2014-04-10 05:24:26 PM  
Did not see that episode.
 
2014-04-10 05:43:23 PM  
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Weeps for the tragedy that no guns were involved so there's little opportunity for outrage..
 
2014-04-10 05:46:56 PM  
"We all took our hoodies off and handed them to the teachers to use as tourniquets to stop the bleeding," DeCesare said. "But they're gonna have to pry our Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles from our cold, dead hands."

/too soon?
 
2014-04-10 06:16:31 PM  
We never got to see Cindy grow up.
 
2014-04-10 07:46:55 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Danger Avoid Death: [socialgraphics.files.wordpress.com image 677x551]

LOL@Greg's relationship status


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/09/17/10-hottest-on-and-of f- screen-brady-bunch-hookups/
 
2014-04-10 08:56:24 PM  

theotherles: We never got to see Cindy grow up.


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Here you go
 
2014-04-10 09:25:38 PM  

Atomic Spunk: theotherles: We never got to see Cindy grow up.

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Here you go


Thank you.
 
2014-04-10 09:59:33 PM  
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2014-04-10 10:22:42 PM  
I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.
 
2014-04-10 10:29:03 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.


If anyone else who wasn't a criminal had a gun, we'd be hearing a different story too.  What's your point?
 
2014-04-10 10:38:31 PM  

AngryDragon: Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.

If anyone else who wasn't a criminal had a gun, we'd be hearing a different story too.


A story about the consequenses of firing a handgun at a moving target in a crowded hallway?
 
2014-04-10 11:33:07 PM  
I like how all the news articles keep saying "allegedly" and "suspect".  He was caught, quite literally, red handed.
 
2014-04-10 11:37:45 PM  
Hmm.. let's see... we bring the kids into the world... we fawn over them until they are in their 20s-30s... we try our darndest to buy houses in gated communities that look like gulags so they can have no outside contact with anyone... then scare them to death about all humans except their own immediate family... remove any and all references to anything we as parents don't like, regardless of whether it is knowledge they need or not... give them computers and tablets so they won't go outside and play... feed them things my fat arsed dog would not eat... try to micromanage their entire existence so they have no problem solving skills at all... show them that bigotry and intolerance are the order of the day... shun anyone telling us anything about parenting, because how dare they tell me how to raise my child, regardless of how right or wrong the information may be... belittle mental illnesses as 'being wimpy'... counter all knowledge and experiences not overseen and/or approved by us... hyper-inflate their egos and convince them 'everyone is a winner', which is the complete opposite of how life actually works...

And we wonder why this keeps happening?
 
2014-04-10 11:56:51 PM  

Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.


So I think then we are all in agreement that the gun laws that are in place by design kept this from becoming a shooting tragedy and should feel good about our current level of legislation on the matter.
 
2014-04-11 02:45:25 AM  
Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.


So I'm going to be the dipstick who brings up guns instead.

FTFY
 
2014-04-11 05:35:24 AM  

Dansker: AngryDragon: Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.

If anyone else who wasn't a criminal had a gun, we'd be hearing a different story too.

A story about the consequenses of firing a handgun at a moving target in a crowded hallway?


Well, according to all the gun haters, the only response to this situation by someone with a gun is for them to start "spraying bullets wildly" until the attacker got hit.  Because that's what you people seem to think we would do.
 
2014-04-11 08:01:08 AM  

Farkage: Dansker: AngryDragon: Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.

If anyone else who wasn't a criminal had a gun, we'd be hearing a different story too.

A story about the consequenses of firing a handgun at a moving target in a crowded hallway?

Well, according to all the gun haters, the only response to this situation by someone with a gun is for them to start "spraying bullets wildly" until the attacker got hit.  Because that's what you people seem to think we would do.


Who are you calling "you people"? I kinda like guns, but I can't see how using one would have been a good idea in this case, and I didn't say anything about "spraying bullets wildly."
 
2014-04-11 08:12:25 AM  

Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?


It's not like places that have largely banned guns haven't thought of knife control:

http://gizmodo.com/5291234/first-anti-stab-knife-prevents-deadly-kit ch en-accidents

Note that in the actual headline, the word "accidents" is in sarcastic double quotes.

And that'st the inevitable result of tool-based crime control.  When you try to restrict the tools used in crime, even if you are largely successful, criminals will adapt what is available.

And I will note that the homicide rate in the UK hasn't actually gone down since they enacted ever-stricter controls on firearms:

violentdeathproject.com

It's stayed at roughly 1 per 100,000 for the last 100 years, and handguns were commonly carried enough among people back at the turn of the century (from the 19th to the 20th) that the police could borrow them when needed from passersby:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage
Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd and discharged four shots at the fleeing Lepidus and Helfeld, but all missed.
...
Constable Spedding also caught up and fired four shots from a borrowed revolver at the fleeing Lepidus and Helfeld, but all missed.
...
The pursuing crowd was led by a motor car containing Constables Shakespeare and Gibbs, driven by Frederick Williams and also carrying Thomas Brown armed with a double-barreled shotgun who was exchanging fire with Helfeld and Lepidus.
...
Constable Eagles armed himself with a borrowed civilian pistol, climbed a ladder placed at the back of the cottage and opened a bedroom window.
 
2014-04-11 08:18:15 AM  

Dansker: Who are you calling "you people"? I kinda like guns, but I can't see how using one would have been a good idea in this case, and I didn't say anything about "spraying bullets wildly."


Funny thing about knife attacks:  They're pretty quiet compared to shooting attacks.  If you don't actually see it, if you're any distance away you aren't likely to hear it.  Especially if the person manages to stab people in the lungs.  Hurts to scream with a pneumothorax.  Aside from that, you might not hear it in a noisy hallway, and you certainly aren't going to hear it on the other side of the school.
 
2014-04-11 09:17:01 AM  

Dansker: Farkage: Dansker: AngryDragon: Nix Nightbird: I notice the gun nuts aren't in this thread making their "ban all knives" jokes now.

Could it be that they realize that of the 21 people attacked, all of them are still alive, and only one is considered to be at risk of dying from the attack?

All I know is that if this kid had walked in with a gun, we'd be hearing a different story, and it's unlikely the vice-principal would have stopped him by tackling him.

If anyone else who wasn't a criminal had a gun, we'd be hearing a different story too.

A story about the consequenses of firing a handgun at a moving target in a crowded hallway?

Well, according to all the gun haters, the only response to this situation by someone with a gun is for them to start "spraying bullets wildly" until the attacker got hit.  Because that's what you people seem to think we would do.

Who are you calling "you people"? I kinda like guns, but I can't see how using one would have been a good idea in this case, and I didn't say anything about "spraying bullets wildly."


Lol, I pictured that in Robert Downey Jr's voice in tropic Thunder.
I agree, in this case it may not have helped.  None of us know where he was or what the surrounding situation looked like (could there have been a clean shot?  Prob not is my guess, but I wasn't there either.  In this particular case, my guess is a firearm would not have helped.  Sandy Hook?  Yes.  Virginia Tech?  Yes.)
I know you didn't say 'spraying bullets' yourself, but I have heard it more times that I can count regarding various tragedies.  Aurora movie theater: "If the movie goers were armed thay would have been just spraying bullets in the dark trying to hit the shooter", etc. etc.
 
2014-04-11 09:39:49 AM  

dittybopper: And I will note that the homicide rate in the UK hasn't actually gone down since they enacted ever-stricter controls on firearms:

[violentdeathproject.com image 730x389]


It's stayed at roughly 1 per 100,000 for the last 100 years,

Wrong, the homicide rate has gone down. Your data is fifteen years old, from only three years after the gun ban. Here's something a little more recent:
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The number of homicides recorded by the police in 2011/12 (550) fell by 14 percent compared with 2010/11. The number of homicides has increased from around 300 per year in the early 1960s to over 800 per year in the early years of this century. More recently the number of homicides has fallen and these provisional data show that homicide is at its lowest level since 1983 (when 550 were also recorded)
Link
 
2014-04-11 09:45:44 AM  

Farkage: I know you didn't say 'spraying bullets' yourself, but I have heard it more times that I can count regarding various tragedies.  Aurora movie theater: "If the movie goers were armed thay would have been just spraying bullets in the dark trying to hit the shooter", etc. etc.


In a crowded environment, even if you hit your target with one shot, there's a real risk of the bullet passing through with enough force to seriously injure or kill bystanders.
 
2014-04-11 09:50:51 AM  

Dansker: Farkage: I know you didn't say 'spraying bullets' yourself, but I have heard it more times that I can count regarding various tragedies.  Aurora movie theater: "If the movie goers were armed thay would have been just spraying bullets in the dark trying to hit the shooter", etc. etc.

In a crowded environment, even if you hit your target with one shot, there's a real risk of the bullet passing through with enough force to seriously injure or kill bystanders.


I'm not arguing with you.  You don't use a gun in a crowded environment such as this one particular situation.  I made a simple statement about a comment I have been told many many times as well as reading the same comment, that the only thing an armed law abiding citizen would do in this situation is go all full up shooty and hope they hit the right thing.
And yes, I am extremely familiar with firearms, ammo types, etc, and your statement about a bullet going right through, while a possibility depending on shot placement, is drastically reduced by correct ammo type.
And a cardinal rule is know your backstop, because you should assume whatever is behind your target will get hit.
 
2014-04-11 10:14:37 AM  

Dansker: dittybopper: And I will note that the homicide rate in the UK hasn't actually gone down since they enacted ever-stricter controls on firearms:

[violentdeathproject.com image 730x389]

It's stayed at roughly 1 per 100,000 for the last 100 years,

Wrong, the homicide rate has gone down. Your data is fifteen years old, from only three years after the gun ban. Here's something a little more recent:
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The number of homicides recorded by the police in 2011/12 (550) fell by 14 percent compared with 2010/11. The number of homicides has increased from around 300 per year in the early 1960s to over 800 per year in the early years of this century. More recently the number of homicides has fallen and these provisional data show that homicide is at its lowest level since 1983 (when 550 were also recorded)
Link


You're using numbers, not rates.

Plus, there is another reason why that graph is complete and utter bullshiat:

Comparing England (or UK) murder rates with the US: More complex than you thought

In the US, the count of people murdered kept by the FBI is pretty darned straightforward. Got a body, not natural causes, not suicide? Must be murder of one sort or another. Count it.
 ...
Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

So if a homicide case isn't solved, a person arrested, and subsequently convicted, it doesn't "count".

Also, how do you account for the 7 year difference in the "Peaks" between "All Violent Crimes" (around 1996) and the peak in Homicides (around 2003)?  Something *MUST* be wonky with the data, because one would naturally expect that the peaks in violent crime would coincide with the peak in homicide:  The more violent crime, the more likely people will be killed due to violent crime.
 
2014-04-11 10:32:12 AM  

dittybopper: You're using numbers, not rates.


Here is the most recent graph I could find, using rates (not raw numbers) for England and Wales:

mygunculture.com

Note that the rate after the peak is still around 1.2 per 100,000 (graph is per million, so 10 per 1 million = 1 per 100,000).

Which is roughly the same rate as before the handgun ban.

So really, what did you gain?
 
2014-04-11 10:39:06 AM  

dittybopper: So really, what did you gain?


Well, I'm sure lots of people got all warm and fuzzy for doing what felt right!
 
2014-04-11 11:07:22 AM  

dittybopper: Dansker: dittybopper: And I will note that the homicide rate in the UK hasn't actually gone down since they enacted ever-stricter controls on firearms:

[violentdeathproject.com image 730x389]

It's stayed at roughly 1 per 100,000 for the last 100 years,

Wrong, the homicide rate has gone down. Your data is fifteen years old, from only three years after the gun ban. Here's something a little more recent:
[img.photobucket.com image 817x650]
[img.photobucket.com image 778x632]
The number of homicides recorded by the police in 2011/12 (550) fell by 14 percent compared with 2010/11. The number of homicides has increased from around 300 per year in the early 1960s to over 800 per year in the early years of this century. More recently the number of homicides has fallen and these provisional data show that homicide is at its lowest level since 1983 (when 550 were also recorded)
Link

You're using numbers, not rates.


The homicide rate in England was 1.45 per 100,000 in 1995, the gun ban was established in 1996, the homicide rate in 2011/12 was ((550/63,000,000)*100,000)=0.87 per 100.000.
So, contrary to what you said, the homicide rate has actually gone down since they enacted strict controls on firearms.
At this point it would be smart to admit you were wrong, and thank me for providing you with facts.


Plus, there is another reason why that graph is complete and utter bullshiat:
Comparing England (or UK) murder rates with the US: More complex than you thought


I didn't say anything about comparing the UK and US, and it's not relevant to the point.
 
2014-04-11 11:14:39 AM  

dittybopper: Also, how do you account for the 7 year difference in the "Peaks" between "All Violent Crimes" (around 1996) and the peak in Homicides (around 2003)?  Something *MUST* be wonky with the data, because one would naturally expect that the peaks in violent crime would coincide with the peak in homicide:  The more violent crime, the more likely people will be killed due to violent crime.


From the link I kindly provided:
Notes:

The homicide figure for 2002/03 includes 172 homicides attributed to Harold Shipman in previous years but coming to light in the official inquiry in 2002.
The homicide figure in 2005/06 of 764 includes 52 homicide victims of the 7 July London bombings, which also accounted for approximately one-quarter of the total of 920 attempted murders.
 
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