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(The Raw Story)   Woman posts a video of her beating her son with a belt on Facebook and tells viewers they are "free to call social services if they wish". They did. She's in jail now   (rawstory.com) divider line 71
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2014-04-10 04:10:23 PM  
7 votes:

ristst: I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force


I think it is funny how people tell stories like this to show how good/appropriate/normal spanking can be. All it shows is what violent and unbalanced sadists can do. Threatening to kill your child? Really? Ya that guy should get locked up. If you ever think that is an appropriate threat, you need to be put away.
2014-04-10 03:13:03 PM  
7 votes:
And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.
2014-04-10 03:02:15 PM  
6 votes:
You see, the problem is that stupid people don't know they're stupid.
2014-04-10 04:15:04 PM  
5 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: My father had an old leather belt hanging on the back of the basement door with "psychology" carved into it.  If we acted up, our last warning was always "I'm going to use psychology on you if you don't knock it off".

He seldom had to even bring it out.  And he could make a snapping sound with it that was utterly terrifying.


tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid.  I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted.  It's not an uncommon thing.


Cold_Sassy: My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Your parents were all sadistic child abusers.
2014-04-10 04:01:15 PM  
5 votes:
my parents engaged in extensive corporal punishment for my siblings and I during my childhood in the 50's.  never taught me a damned thing other than to do whatever was necessary to avoid the ass whipping.  Lie, whatever.
it did not teach me respect or any other positive motive that they may have had.
I have always regarded it as a way for adults to let off steam more than anything else.
bunch of crap
no, I am not now nor have I ever been a parent as I can think of much better things to do with my time even if that means eating bon bons and watching the soaps.
2014-04-10 03:30:58 PM  
5 votes:

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


Yeah, but we just got a few stinging smacks on the backside, not beaten. I went to grade school with some boys whose father was a brute. If they brought home a report card with anything lower than Bs, they had to go to their bedroom, strip naked and wait until he decided to come and beat them senseless with a belt. Sometime he would need hours to decide it was time to teach them a lesson. I'm all for punishing children when they need it, but hitting a kid in the face with a belt isn't punishment. It is the act of a sick fark, who enjoys hurting someone weaker and causing them terror. Unfortunately, there were no child protective services back then. Even today, by the time CPS can intervene, the abuse has gone on for a long time.
2014-04-10 03:17:21 PM  
5 votes:

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


Absolutely not.

It's going to vary depending on who you ask, but I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting a kid with something is too much. The rule I use with my kids is - at most, one smack on the ass with an open hand. That's it. Not multiple blows, no back/leg/head shots, and certainly no weapons. Sticks, belts, hairbrushes, wooden spoons...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

Your own offspring will piss you off like few other people are capable of doing, and madness sets in with surprising ease, so you have to be super, super careful with corporal punishment.
2014-04-10 03:06:32 PM  
5 votes:
This young man will be on the news again in 5-7 years charged for some violent act or another.

I guarantee it.
2014-04-10 04:18:57 PM  
4 votes:
BTW, my problem with this kind of parenting is that parents are forcing a certain kind of behavior on their children. Maybe they are teaching the 'good' behavior, but their children will be like "WTF why why why I hate you". It's a kind of emotional extortion. Behave as I say, make mommy happy, or else...

If your kid does something wrong, instead of punishing them, take the time and explain the situation. Tell them why what they did is wrong . Teach them to think before they act. Teach them how to think, not what to think and what to do. It works.
2014-04-10 03:20:52 PM  
4 votes:
Republican creationist Baptist checking in here.  I have rarely on a few occasions used a belt very lightly spank my children - but only after a serious and intentional issue.  Most of the time, on those rare times I spank, I would use the palm of my hand.  I have maybe used a belt a dozen times in 18 years of parenthood with three kids.

Not to say folks shouldn't use a belt or switch, but I think you're better off saving that for those serious infractions.

As with any other punishment, you do not punish out of anger, you do not punish emotionally, and you never leave a mark.  The point is not to damage the child, the point is to get the child's attention in a big way.

This was not a normal parental punishment that got out of hand.  This was some sick group thing - like a class punishment project.  You're not hitting the kid because you're bigger than he is.  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.
2014-04-10 03:09:49 PM  
4 votes:

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


"reasonable" in the law means "objectively reasonable to and outside observer, which, as a defendant you are free to have defined for you by your choice of a judge or jury.


The real horrorshow here is not how dumb the mom was by posting the video, but that but for that video that kids would still be living in a hellish existence where such beatings were common.

To some extent I blame Tyler Perry for this, making child abuse funny/acceptable is a large part of his Madea schtick, and he gets women ike this to be PROUD of how badly they beat thier children not ashamed...
2014-04-10 03:09:02 PM  
4 votes:
This is why I don't post my beatings on Facebook.
2014-04-10 04:00:17 PM  
3 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa

Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.


Actually, "homeschooling" has been used as a cover for abuse far to often.  If your kid shows up at school looking beaten & bruised, their teachers have to report it.  So they claim that they're homeschooling to isolate kids so they can't contact outsiders and ask for help and nobody can see the bruises.

http://hsinvisiblechildren.org/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/20/the-sinister-side-o f- home-schooling.html

There's definitely a case to be made for some level oversight.
2014-04-10 03:54:43 PM  
3 votes:

ongbok: I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.


I have some anecdotes as well.  They are the opposite of yours.  Whatever are we to do?
2014-04-10 03:36:31 PM  
3 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Ero hoc post propter hoc?

it's a funny thing, perhaps because I am a genuine sadist, I truly cannot ever imagine striking my child, much less using an implement to increase the pain and severity of those beatings  (and Yes I am a minor expert in using  those very same implements on consenting adults) It actually makes me physically sick to contemplate (even though it was a regular feature of my upbringing , and I don;t consider my parent to have been abusive, just misguided)
2014-04-10 03:28:13 PM  
3 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.


My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.
2014-04-10 03:21:46 PM  
3 votes:

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?
2014-04-10 03:13:25 PM  
3 votes:

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


And it used to be normal for some cultures to rip the heart out of a random person every day to make sure the sun rises in the morning.
2014-04-10 03:08:18 PM  
3 votes:

Private_Citizen: Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.

I do wonder what she was thinking. In what scenario did she think that video was going to help?

/helped the kid - he's away from her now!


Damn straight.

I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid.  I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted.  It's not an uncommon thing.

However six minutes of slapping a kid around and screaming at him as well as hitting him 50 times with the belt...the only good thing about this story is that it led to the kid getting help.
2014-04-10 02:57:55 PM  
3 votes:

gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa


Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.
2014-04-10 02:00:31 PM  
3 votes:

Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.


Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa
2014-04-10 11:18:32 PM  
2 votes:

IronJelly: the pain of a spanking when I was growing up certainly curbed the worst behaviors I had quickly.


Yeah, see, the thing is that you happen to be a psychopath.  Normal people can learn to treat others well without the fear of physical pain.

You're on medication, I hope?
2014-04-10 06:19:36 PM  
2 votes:
I'm glad to see that the barbaric ritual of beating your kids as an alternative to actual real punishment is slowly becoming unexcepted in civilized society. Bravo!
2014-04-10 03:35:53 PM  
2 votes:

Cold_Sassy: We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Opinions vary.
2014-04-10 03:30:00 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-04-10 03:29:48 PM  
2 votes:
It was mentioned in the article that he was posting lies about himself on facebook, and that they forced him to say "it ain't cool to be a gangsta" into the camera. Now, if little deShawn, or Malik, or Toby, or whatever stupid name they gave this future criminal, beating the kid 50 times with the belt to keep him away from gang life doesn't seem too excessive to me. Especially if you consider the beating he'd take if he got initiated.
2014-04-10 03:19:41 PM  
2 votes:
Kid has a bright future as an angry teenager/prison system trainee ahead of him. Get that "violence is the answer" ingrained early.
2014-04-10 03:17:38 PM  
2 votes:
On one hand, I'm against beating kids with belts (or anything else).
On the other hand, the mom's right - it's NOT cool to be a gangsta.
2014-04-10 03:07:51 PM  
2 votes:
She then forces the child to say, repeatedly, that "it's not cool to be a gangster."

Obviously beating your kid and posting the act for the world to see is inadvisable on many levels, but I can endorse the sentiment here.
2014-04-10 03:03:35 PM  
2 votes:
What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.
2014-04-10 03:02:52 PM  
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa

Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.


Eh, my younger son has a friend that lives a few doors down from us, and that kid has been kicked out of school every year for probably the last 3 or 4 years - he's maybe 13 or so. His mom gave up this year and is "homeschooling" him.

Kid does nothing all day. I say this because mom works all day, and I see the kid out riding his bike from morning till night. I suspect his education is... lacking. Plus he's dumb as a length of iron pipe. I see jail in his future.
2014-04-10 03:01:45 PM  
2 votes:

gopher321: Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!"


Nope, not me...I would never say that.

/my did didn't need a woodshed, he did just fine without one
2014-04-10 02:27:55 PM  
2 votes:
At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.
2014-04-10 01:41:00 PM  
2 votes:
It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.
2014-04-10 11:07:43 PM  
1 votes:

ristst: tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid. I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted. It's not an uncommon thing.

I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force


So...  vote republican?
2014-04-10 11:05:10 PM  
1 votes:
My mom used to beat me with a belt, but looked really regretful when she did.  Always made it seem as if it was hurting her at the same time it was hurting me (although she never expressed that).   OTOH, the snapping of the belt was a refrain in our house, if not a constant one.  She used it as a tool.  She was a depression era kid, one of eight (plus three still born).

I have a eight and ten year old kids.  I've never spanked them.  Once, I threatened one of them with spanking - I never felt bad about the threat, and I was ready to go through with it  with a level head.  I would have made a big production out of it, but wouldn't have used anything like a belt.  This instance is dwarfed by the other disciplinary events that stressed respect for others, with the threat of some consequences (one can easily remember from childhood that imagined consequences are much harsher than real ones).


I don't really have a point here.  But I suppose if there is one, it's that if you have to beat your child, you lack the intelligence or imagination necessary to outwit them.
2014-04-10 10:41:30 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?

I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.


Yes, you were defending their actions, and you prove it with thinking beating your kids is "keeping them in line." You are a horrible human being, and your excuses don't fly.
2014-04-10 07:36:55 PM  
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


I'd add "...in spite of the dysfunction we grew up with," but your story and mine are not necessarily the same.
2014-04-10 06:36:13 PM  
1 votes:
When I was a kid, I was beat with paddles, switches, fingernails buried into my arm until it bled, belts, etc. I've never hit my kids. Ever. Beating kids teaches them to fear you from violence. Weird way to help someone who loves you, learn how to do things.Or what is acceptable.

My mom apologized many years later for beating the hell out of us.


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2014-04-10 06:05:37 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


Nah I'll blame his POS parents for teaching him that violence is cool and an awesome way to resolve interpersonal disputes, a prerequisite for gangbanging.
2014-04-10 05:02:11 PM  
1 votes:

ristst: tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid. I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted. It's not an uncommon thing.

I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force


I am not a parent but in dealing with anyone, adult or child, you can't issue an insane ultimatum because if you get called on it you lose the war. He's lucky his kid blinked first that day.
2014-04-10 04:49:53 PM  
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


What it also your wonderful mom who engrained in you a hatred of "welfare/healthcare/b*stard children/Obamacare/illegal aliens, etc."
2014-04-10 04:22:07 PM  
1 votes:
I used to get paddlings from my mom back in the day. I don't remember them ever for being anything serious - fighting with my brother, lying, minor stuff. The wallops graduated from a bare hand up to a special "just for thwapping your kid" paddle. (Not the kind with the air holes, though; more of a nicely sanded paddle ball paddle.) They stopped shortly after I got such a paddling that the thing snapped in two.

I don't recall my brother getting as much discipline, and he was a worse kid. He's since been through three wives in the time I've stayed married to one. I'd say I turned out okay.
2014-04-10 04:06:07 PM  
1 votes:
This is why the government needs to take over all raising of children. So a consensus of people like you guys can decide what's right.
2014-04-10 04:03:01 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


On one hand, I agree the beating was over the top. Beating the crap out of a kid for Facebook posts about his grades and behavior is ridiculously excessive.

On the other hand (no, I didn't watch the video--not into seeing kids get the shiat beaten out of them), the mom and friends are quoted in TFA as having made the kid say "it's not cool to be gangster." Makes me wonder if there's not a whole lot more to the story that's not in TFA, and not a whole lot more to the situation that made the mother think this was the only way to get through to the kid. Those circumstances would not at all excuse or make me condone beating the child, but might mitigate any outrage I would feel if the mother had tried everything else and honestly didn't know what else to do to get through to the kid.

I've got a friend who's involved with mentoring a kid right now who is completely out of control to the point that the parents did not know what to do: the kid was abusive to the parents and the parents were abusive (in the form of neglect because they'd tried everything and nothing worked, so they finally threw up their hands and said "do what you want, you're going to anyway") to the kid so now the kid is a ward of the state because the parents--who had actually parented the kid, but the kid still was an obnoxious little shiat despite that--were at the end of their rope. Things aren't always as black and white as news articles make them, but no, it doesn't excuse abuse in any form.
2014-04-10 03:55:58 PM  
1 votes:
Unfortunately, I was unable to see a copy of the video so I have no idea whether it was a "beating" or just "slaps on the ass" delivered 'one every 8 to ten seconds' (50 slaps over six minutes) interspersed with a lot of "You think being a gansta is cool? You wanna see what jail is like? You wanna die in your teens? Grow up, boy! We didn't raise you that way. . . .

Hell, I don't know. Maybe it was a beating and I'm wrong to think the parents were at their wits end.
2014-04-10 03:52:03 PM  
1 votes:
I know why alien beings from other planets come here covertly then leave immediately.
Humans
2014-04-10 03:51:16 PM  
1 votes:
If it is generally accepted that _______ is bad to do, the only people who will do it are the ones who don't care about being bad.  Ergo, if you are a loving parent who cares about their child, and take the time to read/study/discuss appropriate ways of raising your child - you'll learn that you shouldn't do _________.  Regardless of whether or not __________ is true or not.  Lots of advice that was just as generally accepted is no longer generally accepted.

In our society, everyone is told that physically disciplining your children is wrong.  The vast majority of good, caring parents don't.  This creates a wonderful strawman....the parents who do are *also* doing all sorts of other things 'wrong' and generally fail at parenting.  It's not really about ___________ it's just sucky parents don't try to be good parents.
2014-04-10 03:44:37 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.

I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does.


Who needs a scientific study when you've got solid empirical evidence like this? Stupid libs. It's like it says in the Bible: spare the cat o' nine tails, spoil the child.
2014-04-10 03:40:58 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?

I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.


Flint has been working on not taking kids away, and getting parents to learn better parenting. This case a bit more extreme.
2014-04-10 03:40:10 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: Ero hoc post propter hoc?


Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - After this, therefore because of this.

/thanks West Wing
2014-04-10 03:32:52 PM  
1 votes:
bigstoopidbruce:  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.

The irony, it burns!
2014-04-10 03:31:57 PM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?


I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.
2014-04-10 03:31:19 PM  
1 votes:

Shakin_Haitian: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

And it used to be normal for some cultures to rip the heart out of a random person every day to make sure the sun rises in the morning.


That's a bunch of BS. It was to make sure the sun  set in the  evening.
2014-04-10 03:30:07 PM  
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HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.


I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.
2014-04-10 03:29:21 PM  
1 votes:
I got beat with just about everything as a kid from the 80s.  Be it wooden spoon, tree branches (switches) or belt.   I deserved everyone of them.

/was a little bastard
/it's why I have no kids of my own
2014-04-10 03:26:47 PM  
1 votes:
The only time I ever hit my son was an immediate, unthinking reaction when he hit his younger sister.
The second he slapped her, I slapped him on the back.

I didn't hit him hard. Just enough for him to realize that what he did was very wrong.
He never hit her again.  But I would never push it any further than that.

Considering I myself was a victim of a very abusive stepfather, when I was very young, I have no tollerance at all for people treating their children with violence.  I hope this woman doesn't get to see her kid again for long time.
2014-04-10 03:22:56 PM  
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Fuggin Bizzy: It's going to vary depending on who you ask, but I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting a kid with something is too much. The rule I use with my kids is - at most, one smack on the ass with an open hand. That's it. Not multiple blows, no back/leg/head shots, and certainly no weapons. Sticks, belts, hairbrushes, wooden spoons...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids


My father had an old leather belt hanging on the back of the basement door with "psychology" carved into it.  If we acted up, our last warning was always "I'm going to use psychology on you if you don't knock it off".

He seldom had to even bring it out.  And he could make a snapping sound with it that was utterly terrifying.
2014-04-10 03:21:39 PM  
1 votes:
When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good
2014-04-10 03:19:17 PM  
1 votes:
Child belt beatings are legal in PA, as long as you don't use the buckle.

/don't ask me how i know that
2014-04-10 03:13:50 PM  
1 votes:

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


She probably saw all the other "public shaming" videos (including the dad who shot his daughter's computer) and thought "I'm in good company. They didn't get into any trouble with CPS, so I won't either."
2014-04-10 03:11:45 PM  
1 votes:

Gilligann: How the hell can someone do this?

Fortunately, as is often the case, their own stupidity was their downfall.

This morning I was changing my son out of his pajamas. He raises his arms and I pulled his shirt off. The neckline of the shirt pulled on his ears when I was taking it off and it hurt him. He said "you hurt me", and I felt farking awful about it. He's fine, but just the thought that something I did hurt him is not something I feel good about.


Pussy.
2014-04-10 03:09:18 PM  
1 votes:
just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.
2014-04-10 03:07:17 PM  
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Private_Citizen: Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.

I do wonder what she was thinking. In what scenario did she think that video was going to help?

/helped the kid - he's away from her now!


Well it seems from what the article said about what they were saying to the kid while they were whooping him that the kid was making gang related post. She probably thought that beating him and posting it for everybody to see would deter him from doing it in the future.
2014-04-10 03:06:08 PM  
1 votes:
How the hell can someone do this?

Fortunately, as is often the case, their own stupidity was their downfall.

This morning I was changing my son out of his pajamas. He raises his arms and I pulled his shirt off. The neckline of the shirt pulled on his ears when I was taking it off and it hurt him. He said "you hurt me", and I felt farking awful about it. He's fine, but just the thought that something I did hurt him is not something I feel good about.
2014-04-10 03:04:32 PM  
1 votes:
I bet judges are sick of constantly hearing the word Facebook. You know, stuff like candy crush, duck lips pics in a court of law.....
2014-04-10 03:03:25 PM  
1 votes:
i.dailymail.co.uk
2014-04-10 03:03:16 PM  
1 votes:

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


I do wonder what she was thinking. In what scenario did she think that video was going to help?

/helped the kid - he's away from her now!
2014-04-10 03:01:34 PM  
1 votes:
Stupid is as stupid does.
2014-04-10 02:57:22 PM  
1 votes:

tells viewers they are "free to call social services if they wish". They did. She's in jail now


Okay, so everyone is happy now, right?
2014-04-10 02:32:05 PM  
1 votes:

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


Did she, at any point say "I don;t care, I do what eva I  want" too?
 
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