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(The Raw Story)   Woman posts a video of her beating her son with a belt on Facebook and tells viewers they are "free to call social services if they wish". They did. She's in jail now   (rawstory.com) divider line 163
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2014-04-10 01:41:00 PM  
It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.
 
2014-04-10 01:43:46 PM  
[sadtrombone.mp3]
 
2014-04-10 02:00:31 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.


Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-10 02:01:10 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.


It starts out fine and I was waiting for a sort of slow degradation into insanity and then BAM - 'heterosexual parenting' out of farking nowhere.
 
2014-04-10 02:03:19 PM  
i.huffpost.com

I guess.
 
2014-04-10 02:27:55 PM  
At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.
 
2014-04-10 02:32:05 PM  

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


Did she, at any point say "I don;t care, I do what eva I  want" too?
 
2014-04-10 02:57:22 PM  

tells viewers they are "free to call social services if they wish". They did. She's in jail now


Okay, so everyone is happy now, right?
 
2014-04-10 02:57:55 PM  

gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa


Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.
 
2014-04-10 02:59:08 PM  
What a child getting ready for an ass whuppin may look like.

www.rawstory.com
 
2014-04-10 02:59:32 PM  
Was he not going by the name "Toby?"
 
2014-04-10 03:00:13 PM  

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


Public shaming never goes out of style!
 
2014-04-10 03:00:43 PM  
Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad.
 
2014-04-10 03:01:22 PM  
I thought this was 'Merica!
 
2014-04-10 03:01:34 PM  
Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2014-04-10 03:01:45 PM  

gopher321: Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!"


Nope, not me...I would never say that.

/my did didn't need a woodshed, he did just fine without one
 
2014-04-10 03:02:10 PM  
They should have left the moms face unblured.
 
2014-04-10 03:02:15 PM  
You see, the problem is that stupid people don't know they're stupid.
 
2014-04-10 03:02:52 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa

Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.


Eh, my younger son has a friend that lives a few doors down from us, and that kid has been kicked out of school every year for probably the last 3 or 4 years - he's maybe 13 or so. His mom gave up this year and is "homeschooling" him.

Kid does nothing all day. I say this because mom works all day, and I see the kid out riding his bike from morning till night. I suspect his education is... lacking. Plus he's dumb as a length of iron pipe. I see jail in his future.
 
2014-04-10 03:03:01 PM  
Did?

FFS, should be DAD

/mumble grumble lack of editing here
 
2014-04-10 03:03:16 PM  

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


I do wonder what she was thinking. In what scenario did she think that video was going to help?

/helped the kid - he's away from her now!
 
2014-04-10 03:03:25 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-04-10 03:03:35 PM  
What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.
 
2014-04-10 03:04:24 PM  
www.polkaudio.com

/oblig
 
2014-04-10 03:04:32 PM  
I bet judges are sick of constantly hearing the word Facebook. You know, stuff like candy crush, duck lips pics in a court of law.....
 
2014-04-10 03:06:08 PM  
How the hell can someone do this?

Fortunately, as is often the case, their own stupidity was their downfall.

This morning I was changing my son out of his pajamas. He raises his arms and I pulled his shirt off. The neckline of the shirt pulled on his ears when I was taking it off and it hurt him. He said "you hurt me", and I felt farking awful about it. He's fine, but just the thought that something I did hurt him is not something I feel good about.
 
2014-04-10 03:06:32 PM  
This young man will be on the news again in 5-7 years charged for some violent act or another.

I guarantee it.
 
2014-04-10 03:07:17 PM  

Private_Citizen: Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.

I do wonder what she was thinking. In what scenario did she think that video was going to help?

/helped the kid - he's away from her now!


Well it seems from what the article said about what they were saying to the kid while they were whooping him that the kid was making gang related post. She probably thought that beating him and posting it for everybody to see would deter him from doing it in the future.
 
2014-04-10 03:07:51 PM  
She then forces the child to say, repeatedly, that "it's not cool to be a gangster."

Obviously beating your kid and posting the act for the world to see is inadvisable on many levels, but I can endorse the sentiment here.
 
2014-04-10 03:08:18 PM  

Private_Citizen: Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.

I do wonder what she was thinking. In what scenario did she think that video was going to help?

/helped the kid - he's away from her now!


Damn straight.

I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid.  I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted.  It's not an uncommon thing.

However six minutes of slapping a kid around and screaming at him as well as hitting him 50 times with the belt...the only good thing about this story is that it led to the kid getting help.
 
2014-04-10 03:09:02 PM  
This is why I don't post my beatings on Facebook.
 
2014-04-10 03:09:18 PM  
just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.
 
2014-04-10 03:09:49 PM  

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


"reasonable" in the law means "objectively reasonable to and outside observer, which, as a defendant you are free to have defined for you by your choice of a judge or jury.


The real horrorshow here is not how dumb the mom was by posting the video, but that but for that video that kids would still be living in a hellish existence where such beatings were common.

To some extent I blame Tyler Perry for this, making child abuse funny/acceptable is a large part of his Madea schtick, and he gets women ike this to be PROUD of how badly they beat thier children not ashamed...
 
2014-04-10 03:10:08 PM  
"Before it was taken down on Tuesday, April 8, 2014, the video had been shared over 8,600 times."

At least they didn't say how many "hits" it had.
 
2014-04-10 03:10:30 PM  
Sorry, she meant to post the video on Faceslap.
 
2014-04-10 03:11:45 PM  

Gilligann: How the hell can someone do this?

Fortunately, as is often the case, their own stupidity was their downfall.

This morning I was changing my son out of his pajamas. He raises his arms and I pulled his shirt off. The neckline of the shirt pulled on his ears when I was taking it off and it hurt him. He said "you hurt me", and I felt farking awful about it. He's fine, but just the thought that something I did hurt him is not something I feel good about.


Pussy.
 
2014-04-10 03:13:03 PM  
And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.
 
2014-04-10 03:13:25 PM  

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


And it used to be normal for some cultures to rip the heart out of a random person every day to make sure the sun rises in the morning.
 
2014-04-10 03:13:50 PM  

Shostie: At one point, she informs the crying child that she is going to put the video on Facebook, and that viewers are free to call Child Protective Services if they wish.

This is one of those ideas that probably seemed better in her head.


She probably saw all the other "public shaming" videos (including the dad who shot his daughter's computer) and thought "I'm in good company. They didn't get into any trouble with CPS, so I won't either."
 
2014-04-10 03:14:35 PM  
The father of my best friend in 4th and 5th grade would whip him with a belt -- buckle end, It terrified those of us who heard him talk about it, but it didn't seem all that odd. I'm sure we thought that all fathers were basically like that and we could avoid a whipping like that if we were real, real careful.
 
2014-04-10 03:15:06 PM  
"Beat your kids twice a day. If you don't know why...they do." --My Dad
 
2014-04-10 03:15:22 PM  

theflatline: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x318]


Still not sure if Uteas is a man or a woman...
 
2014-04-10 03:15:53 PM  

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


Yes you can and we've been doing it for years. That's one of the reasons it's a very widely used legal term
 
2014-04-10 03:17:21 PM  

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


Absolutely not.

It's going to vary depending on who you ask, but I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting a kid with something is too much. The rule I use with my kids is - at most, one smack on the ass with an open hand. That's it. Not multiple blows, no back/leg/head shots, and certainly no weapons. Sticks, belts, hairbrushes, wooden spoons...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

Your own offspring will piss you off like few other people are capable of doing, and madness sets in with surprising ease, so you have to be super, super careful with corporal punishment.
 
2014-04-10 03:17:38 PM  
On one hand, I'm against beating kids with belts (or anything else).
On the other hand, the mom's right - it's NOT cool to be a gangsta.
 
2014-04-10 03:18:40 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.
 
2014-04-10 03:19:17 PM  
Child belt beatings are legal in PA, as long as you don't use the buckle.

/don't ask me how i know that
 
2014-04-10 03:19:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: She then forces the child to say, repeatedly, that "it's not cool to be a gangster."

Obviously beating your kid and posting the act for the world to see is inadvisable on many levels, but I can endorse the sentiment here.


Her heart was in the right place... sort of... unfortunately so was the belt
 
2014-04-10 03:19:41 PM  
Kid has a bright future as an angry teenager/prison system trainee ahead of him. Get that "violence is the answer" ingrained early.
 
2014-04-10 03:20:52 PM  
Republican creationist Baptist checking in here.  I have rarely on a few occasions used a belt very lightly spank my children - but only after a serious and intentional issue.  Most of the time, on those rare times I spank, I would use the palm of my hand.  I have maybe used a belt a dozen times in 18 years of parenthood with three kids.

Not to say folks shouldn't use a belt or switch, but I think you're better off saving that for those serious infractions.

As with any other punishment, you do not punish out of anger, you do not punish emotionally, and you never leave a mark.  The point is not to damage the child, the point is to get the child's attention in a big way.

This was not a normal parental punishment that got out of hand.  This was some sick group thing - like a class punishment project.  You're not hitting the kid because you're bigger than he is.  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.
 
2014-04-10 03:20:53 PM  
I got it with a 2x2. I swore I'd never hit my kids as a result of the childhood I had.
 
2014-04-10 03:21:39 PM  
When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good
 
2014-04-10 03:21:46 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?
 
2014-04-10 03:22:24 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


I totally agree. Teach them fear and pain young so they learn why it is bad to bully people unless they need to learn a lesson. (Rather than because it's fun if you can.)
 
2014-04-10 03:22:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.


I'll make a flying guess this is overcompensation for years of neglect. You can make up for four years of no discipline in like, twenty minutes if you try hard enough. Then you can go get high again, and no need for any more discipline or involvement for at least another year.

"Boy, get down here! Tax time is punishment time!"
 
2014-04-10 03:22:56 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: It's going to vary depending on who you ask, but I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting a kid with something is too much. The rule I use with my kids is - at most, one smack on the ass with an open hand. That's it. Not multiple blows, no back/leg/head shots, and certainly no weapons. Sticks, belts, hairbrushes, wooden spoons...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids


My father had an old leather belt hanging on the back of the basement door with "psychology" carved into it.  If we acted up, our last warning was always "I'm going to use psychology on you if you don't knock it off".

He seldom had to even bring it out.  And he could make a snapping sound with it that was utterly terrifying.
 
2014-04-10 03:26:47 PM  
The only time I ever hit my son was an immediate, unthinking reaction when he hit his younger sister.
The second he slapped her, I slapped him on the back.

I didn't hit him hard. Just enough for him to realize that what he did was very wrong.
He never hit her again.  But I would never push it any further than that.

Considering I myself was a victim of a very abusive stepfather, when I was very young, I have no tollerance at all for people treating their children with violence.  I hope this woman doesn't get to see her kid again for long time.
 
2014-04-10 03:27:34 PM  

theflatline: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x318]


I was hoping that a picture would help me figure out if Uteas was male or female.  It didn't.
 
2014-04-10 03:28:03 PM  
Glad no one has pointed out how annoying those people are.
 
2014-04-10 03:28:13 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.


My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.
 
2014-04-10 03:29:21 PM  
I got beat with just about everything as a kid from the 80s.  Be it wooden spoon, tree branches (switches) or belt.   I deserved everyone of them.

/was a little bastard
/it's why I have no kids of my own
 
2014-04-10 03:29:48 PM  
It was mentioned in the article that he was posting lies about himself on facebook, and that they forced him to say "it ain't cool to be a gangsta" into the camera. Now, if little deShawn, or Malik, or Toby, or whatever stupid name they gave this future criminal, beating the kid 50 times with the belt to keep him away from gang life doesn't seem too excessive to me. Especially if you consider the beating he'd take if he got initiated.
 
2014-04-10 03:30:00 PM  
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2014-04-10 03:30:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.


I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.
 
2014-04-10 03:30:58 PM  

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


Yeah, but we just got a few stinging smacks on the backside, not beaten. I went to grade school with some boys whose father was a brute. If they brought home a report card with anything lower than Bs, they had to go to their bedroom, strip naked and wait until he decided to come and beat them senseless with a belt. Sometime he would need hours to decide it was time to teach them a lesson. I'm all for punishing children when they need it, but hitting a kid in the face with a belt isn't punishment. It is the act of a sick fark, who enjoys hurting someone weaker and causing them terror. Unfortunately, there were no child protective services back then. Even today, by the time CPS can intervene, the abuse has gone on for a long time.
 
2014-04-10 03:31:19 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

And it used to be normal for some cultures to rip the heart out of a random person every day to make sure the sun rises in the morning.


That's a bunch of BS. It was to make sure the sun  set in the  evening.
 
2014-04-10 03:31:54 PM  
i1.ytimg.com
"Why the wrench?"
"Cuz, fark him... that's why"
 
2014-04-10 03:31:57 PM  

mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?


I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.
 
2014-04-10 03:32:01 PM  

Savage Belief: It was mentioned in the article that he was posting lies about himself on facebook, and that they forced him to say "it ain't cool to be a gangsta" into the camera. Now, if little deShawn, or Malik, or Toby, or whatever stupid name they gave this future criminal, beating the kid 50 times with the belt to keep him away from gang life doesn't seem too excessive to me. Especially if you consider the beating he'd take if he got initiated.


The people arrested look like they're a half chromosome short.
I don't think their plan was that well thought out.
 
2014-04-10 03:32:52 PM  
bigstoopidbruce:  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.

The irony, it burns!
 
2014-04-10 03:35:53 PM  

Cold_Sassy: We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Opinions vary.
 
2014-04-10 03:36:31 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Ero hoc post propter hoc?

it's a funny thing, perhaps because I am a genuine sadist, I truly cannot ever imagine striking my child, much less using an implement to increase the pain and severity of those beatings  (and Yes I am a minor expert in using  those very same implements on consenting adults) It actually makes me physically sick to contemplate (even though it was a regular feature of my upbringing , and I don;t consider my parent to have been abusive, just misguided)
 
2014-04-10 03:40:10 PM  

Magorn: Ero hoc post propter hoc?


Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - After this, therefore because of this.

/thanks West Wing
 
2014-04-10 03:40:58 PM  

lostcat: mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?

I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.


Flint has been working on not taking kids away, and getting parents to learn better parenting. This case a bit more extreme.
 
2014-04-10 03:44:37 PM  

ongbok: HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.

I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does.


Who needs a scientific study when you've got solid empirical evidence like this? Stupid libs. It's like it says in the Bible: spare the cat o' nine tails, spoil the child.
 
2014-04-10 03:44:53 PM  
Who have thought setting your relationship to Its Complicated could cause so much fuss?
 
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2014-04-10 03:47:44 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Cold_Sassy: We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.

Opinions vary.


content8.flixster.com

//don't know for sure... just guessin'
 
2014-04-10 03:51:16 PM  
If it is generally accepted that _______ is bad to do, the only people who will do it are the ones who don't care about being bad.  Ergo, if you are a loving parent who cares about their child, and take the time to read/study/discuss appropriate ways of raising your child - you'll learn that you shouldn't do _________.  Regardless of whether or not __________ is true or not.  Lots of advice that was just as generally accepted is no longer generally accepted.

In our society, everyone is told that physically disciplining your children is wrong.  The vast majority of good, caring parents don't.  This creates a wonderful strawman....the parents who do are *also* doing all sorts of other things 'wrong' and generally fail at parenting.  It's not really about ___________ it's just sucky parents don't try to be good parents.
 
2014-04-10 03:51:45 PM  

tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid. I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted. It's not an uncommon thing.


I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force
 
2014-04-10 03:52:03 PM  
I know why alien beings from other planets come here covertly then leave immediately.
Humans
 
2014-04-10 03:52:18 PM  
I bet they will whoop his butt now when they get out of jail. Unless of course CS stepped in.
 
2014-04-10 03:53:11 PM  
FB takes this down but I've seen pics of gore on FB from motorcycle accidents? Wut?


Sounds like the line was crossed from discipline into whatever else... but... pretty sure that kid isn't going to want to be a gangsta any time soon. Probably should do that to everyone saggin their pants.
 
2014-04-10 03:54:03 PM  

Gilligann: How the hell can someone do this?


It's all in the wrist
 
2014-04-10 03:54:43 PM  

ongbok: I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.


I have some anecdotes as well.  They are the opposite of yours.  Whatever are we to do?
 
2014-04-10 03:55:58 PM  
Unfortunately, I was unable to see a copy of the video so I have no idea whether it was a "beating" or just "slaps on the ass" delivered 'one every 8 to ten seconds' (50 slaps over six minutes) interspersed with a lot of "You think being a gansta is cool? You wanna see what jail is like? You wanna die in your teens? Grow up, boy! We didn't raise you that way. . . .

Hell, I don't know. Maybe it was a beating and I'm wrong to think the parents were at their wits end.
 
2014-04-10 04:00:17 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa

Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.


Actually, "homeschooling" has been used as a cover for abuse far to often.  If your kid shows up at school looking beaten & bruised, their teachers have to report it.  So they claim that they're homeschooling to isolate kids so they can't contact outsiders and ask for help and nobody can see the bruises.

http://hsinvisiblechildren.org/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/20/the-sinister-side-o f- home-schooling.html

There's definitely a case to be made for some level oversight.
 
2014-04-10 04:00:32 PM  
What you think an 11 y/o is going to do with fb?  I'd hate to see what they'd do if the kid owed em money.
 
2014-04-10 04:01:15 PM  
my parents engaged in extensive corporal punishment for my siblings and I during my childhood in the 50's.  never taught me a damned thing other than to do whatever was necessary to avoid the ass whipping.  Lie, whatever.
it did not teach me respect or any other positive motive that they may have had.
I have always regarded it as a way for adults to let off steam more than anything else.
bunch of crap
no, I am not now nor have I ever been a parent as I can think of much better things to do with my time even if that means eating bon bons and watching the soaps.
 
2014-04-10 04:02:08 PM  
Comedian Eddie Griffin had a routine that may shed some light on the thinking behind this. I can't find it on YouTube, but here's the gist of it...

His mother had a rule that he was only allowed to play up to the end of his block, but no further. He knew that if he went any further than that, she'd beat his ass. A couple of his buddies tried to get him to go explore the neighborhood with them, but Eddie looked back and saw his mom watching him and refused to go. "Eddie, you a little punk.", his boys said to him. "That's okay. I'd rather be a punk to y'all than catch an ass whooping from her.", he tells them.

He goes on to say that pain has a great way of reminding you to stay out of trouble. When those same friends later told him "Hey Eddie, let's go rob this liquor store", his reply was "Nah, I'm cool right here." And as it turns out...both of those cats wound up in prison, while Eddie went on to fame.

/it was actually funny when he told it
//but you get my point
///Boyz N The Hood had the same basic message
 
2014-04-10 04:03:01 PM  

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


On one hand, I agree the beating was over the top. Beating the crap out of a kid for Facebook posts about his grades and behavior is ridiculously excessive.

On the other hand (no, I didn't watch the video--not into seeing kids get the shiat beaten out of them), the mom and friends are quoted in TFA as having made the kid say "it's not cool to be gangster." Makes me wonder if there's not a whole lot more to the story that's not in TFA, and not a whole lot more to the situation that made the mother think this was the only way to get through to the kid. Those circumstances would not at all excuse or make me condone beating the child, but might mitigate any outrage I would feel if the mother had tried everything else and honestly didn't know what else to do to get through to the kid.

I've got a friend who's involved with mentoring a kid right now who is completely out of control to the point that the parents did not know what to do: the kid was abusive to the parents and the parents were abusive (in the form of neglect because they'd tried everything and nothing worked, so they finally threw up their hands and said "do what you want, you're going to anyway") to the kid so now the kid is a ward of the state because the parents--who had actually parented the kid, but the kid still was an obnoxious little shiat despite that--were at the end of their rope. Things aren't always as black and white as news articles make them, but no, it doesn't excuse abuse in any form.
 
2014-04-10 04:03:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: She then forces the child to say, repeatedly, that "it's not cool to be a gangster."

Obviously beating your kid and posting the act for the world to see is inadvisable on many levels, but I can endorse the sentiment here.


The best way to teach your kid that it's not cool to be a gangsta is to act like a violent thug and beat the shiat out of him.
 
2014-04-10 04:04:55 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 04:05:30 PM  
Yeah, corporal punishment as part of a structured system of discipline is fine, and actually works fairly well, though like everything involving training or punishing humans it's situational and you can't just do it at random because you're pissed or angry.

Posting the video online like hitting your kid is some sort of accomplishment and to publicly humiliate them is pretty textbook child abuse, though.  The point of corporal punishment is that you're punished, it hurts, and that's the end of it.

That's not exactly a thin, fuzzy line in the sand they crossed there, there's a really obvious difference between corporal punishment and what's up here.
 
2014-04-10 04:05:57 PM  

Aigoo: Things aren't always as black and white as news articles make them, but no, it doesn't excuse abuse in any form.


Send him to Military school.
Problem solved.
 
2014-04-10 04:06:07 PM  
This is why the government needs to take over all raising of children. So a consensus of people like you guys can decide what's right.
 
2014-04-10 04:07:25 PM  

probesport: What a child getting ready for an ass whuppin may look like.

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


They get really blurry?
 
2014-04-10 04:07:30 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Sorry to bring you the bad news, but no, you didn't. Successful adults don't comment on Fark.
 
2014-04-10 04:07:41 PM  

theflatline: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x318]


All three parents have a diferent last name?
 
2014-04-10 04:09:02 PM  

JackieRabbit: You see, the problem is that stupid people don't know they're stupid.


QFT
 
2014-04-10 04:09:11 PM  

mediablitz: You can "care" without being a violent asshole.


Well, sure you CAN, but why would you want to?
 
2014-04-10 04:10:23 PM  

ristst: I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force


I think it is funny how people tell stories like this to show how good/appropriate/normal spanking can be. All it shows is what violent and unbalanced sadists can do. Threatening to kill your child? Really? Ya that guy should get locked up. If you ever think that is an appropriate threat, you need to be put away.
 
2014-04-10 04:10:37 PM  

Magorn: Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.

Ero hoc post propter hoc?

it's a funny thing, perhaps because I am a genuine sadist, I truly cannot ever imagine striking my child, much less using an implement to increase the pain and severity of those beatings  (and Yes I am a minor expert in using  those very same implements on consenting adults) It actually makes me physically sick to contemplate (even though it was a regular feature of my upbringing , and I don;t consider my parent to have been abusive, just misguided)


Well, me neither.  We still love our Mom, we always did.  That was just the way it was.  BTW, my Father was present for our upbringing, but he refused to punish us and made her the bad guy, for which he lost my respect, as soon as I was old enough to connect the dots.
 
2014-04-10 04:13:41 PM  

Magorn: Ero hoc post propter hoc?


Firstly, Latin is forgiving of spelling and word order to an extent, but it's not quite  that forgiving.  "Post hoc ergo propter hoc".  Meaning "it came before, therefore it caused".

Secondly, this isn't a post-hoc fallacy at all.  When someone proposes a general rule p ==> q, providing a single example where p ==> ~q is called a 'counterexample', and it is actually logically sufficient to prove that the rule is false.  This is why when you're making positive claims of absolute statements the burden of proof is on you as the person making the claim.

It's different for  scientific statements since there's no implicit claim of variable-independence (in fact, the opposite), but that's not what's being discussed here.  It's someone claiming that corporal punishment is always bad for children "because reasons" -- it only takes one example of that not being the case to disprove the assertion.
 
2014-04-10 04:14:04 PM  
Attractive and successful peoples problems.
 
2014-04-10 04:15:04 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: My father had an old leather belt hanging on the back of the basement door with "psychology" carved into it.  If we acted up, our last warning was always "I'm going to use psychology on you if you don't knock it off".

He seldom had to even bring it out.  And he could make a snapping sound with it that was utterly terrifying.


tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid.  I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted.  It's not an uncommon thing.


Cold_Sassy: My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Your parents were all sadistic child abusers.
 
2014-04-10 04:17:13 PM  

traylor: Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.

Sorry to bring you the bad news, but no, you didn't. Successful adults don't comment on Fark.


Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice ;)
 
2014-04-10 04:18:57 PM  
BTW, my problem with this kind of parenting is that parents are forcing a certain kind of behavior on their children. Maybe they are teaching the 'good' behavior, but their children will be like "WTF why why why I hate you". It's a kind of emotional extortion. Behave as I say, make mommy happy, or else...

If your kid does something wrong, instead of punishing them, take the time and explain the situation. Tell them why what they did is wrong . Teach them to think before they act. Teach them how to think, not what to think and what to do. It works.
 
2014-04-10 04:22:07 PM  
I used to get paddlings from my mom back in the day. I don't remember them ever for being anything serious - fighting with my brother, lying, minor stuff. The wallops graduated from a bare hand up to a special "just for thwapping your kid" paddle. (Not the kind with the air holes, though; more of a nicely sanded paddle ball paddle.) They stopped shortly after I got such a paddling that the thing snapped in two.

I don't recall my brother getting as much discipline, and he was a worse kid. He's since been through three wives in the time I've stayed married to one. I'd say I turned out okay.
 
2014-04-10 04:23:59 PM  

traylor: BTW, my problem with this kind of parenting is that parents are forcing a certain kind of behavior on their children. Maybe they are teaching the 'good' behavior, but their children will be like "WTF why why why I hate you". It's a kind of emotional extortion. Behave as I say, make mommy happy, or else...

If your kid does something wrong, instead of punishing them, take the time and explain the situation. Tell them why what they did is wrong . Teach them to think before they act. Teach them how to think, not what to think and what to do. It works.


whynotboth.jpg <-

Punishing without teaching your child is ineffective
Trying to teach your child and not punish them is also ineffective

You need to do both. Your job as a parent isn't to give into your child's every whim or desire but to make sure they grow up properly. If your child doesn't ate one point hate your guts, you probably are doing a poor job as a parent. You aren't there to be their best friend and smoke pot with them and play video games.
 
2014-04-10 04:27:26 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: You need to do both. Your job as a parent isn't to give into your child's every whim or desire but to make sure they grow up properly. If your child doesn't ate one point hate your guts, you probably are doing a poor job as a parent. You aren't there to be their best friend and smoke pot with them and play video games.


I had a similar word with my son the other day.
In short, I had to take away his XBox and his phone because he was abusing the privelidge too late at night.  Of course he was pissed and upset.  So I had to tell him, "Look, I want you to be happy and have fun.  But you also have to follow the rules.  Generally, I almost never punish you.  But this time, I am not your friend.  I am your father.  This conversation ends here."
 
2014-04-10 04:29:13 PM  
The cop in video, does he spend his weekends losing boxing matches?
 
2014-04-10 04:29:43 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


yup.
 
2014-04-10 04:29:55 PM  

doubled99: This is why the government needs to take over all raising of children. So a consensus of people like you guys can decide what's right.


Nah.  We can just continue to narrow the scope of what amount of child abuse is acceptable until anyone who feels it necessary to hit their kids will go to jail.  It's already much better than it was 50 years ago, and I certainly don't see the trend going back the other way.
 
2014-04-10 04:30:46 PM  
Wait... doesn't Facebook state that you have to be 13 to have one?   I'd beat the shiat out of my 6 year old too if he made one then posted about how 'gangster' it is living and eating for free in a home with highspeed internet and no internet filters.
 
2014-04-10 04:38:59 PM  

sycraft: I think it is funny how people tell stories like this to show how good/appropriate/normal spanking can be. All it shows is what violent and unbalanced sadists can do. Threatening to kill your child? Really? Ya that guy should get locked up. If you ever think that is an appropriate threat, you need to be put away.


Don't getcher panties in a wad, Skippy.  It's merely a story I heard years ago....I can't even verify it's the truth.

But I did find it quite amusing, along with the other dozen or so people who heard him tell it.  He got big laughs.

Anywho, if you have to rag people here for being sickos, why don't you look up the thread where the toddler got a finger amputated at a gym and see what kind of sick, demented comments posters were making.  I'm not gonna say they were "jokes", because there was no humor in that incident.

Wanna know what people said to me when I called them out on it?  I'll say it to you:

WELCOMETOFARK.JPG
 
2014-04-10 04:43:45 PM  

Jim_Callahan: When someone proposes a general rule p ==> q, providing a single example where p ==> ~q is called a 'counterexample', and it is actually logically sufficient to prove that the rule is false.


I was told there would be no math in this thread.
 
2014-04-10 04:46:48 PM  
Next time, just stick to the petticoat punishment.
 
2014-04-10 04:49:53 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


What it also your wonderful mom who engrained in you a hatred of "welfare/healthcare/b*stard children/Obamacare/illegal aliens, etc."
 
2014-04-10 05:01:53 PM  

GnomePaladin: ongbok: I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.

I have some anecdotes as well.  They are the opposite of yours.  Whatever are we to do?


Sounds like the results come out about 50/50. So probably safe to assume that people are either born smart and good or dumb and bad. Nature outranks Nurture.
 
2014-04-10 05:02:11 PM  

ristst: tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid. I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted. It's not an uncommon thing.

I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force


I am not a parent but in dealing with anyone, adult or child, you can't issue an insane ultimatum because if you get called on it you lose the war. He's lucky his kid blinked first that day.
 
2014-04-10 05:03:08 PM  

probesport: Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad.


Ha, was just watching him the other night. +1 to you.
 
2014-04-10 05:13:09 PM  

mikebdoss: Your parents were all sadistic child abusers.


You should see what the children of the family got up to before you pass judgement.  I did some pretty horrible things to my brothers and sisters.
 
2014-04-10 05:14:22 PM  
I don't condone their behaviour.......but I understand it.


/can't imagine living with an 11 year old wanna-be thug that thinks he can get away with anything cause if they whip him they'll go to jail (and he's right, they did)
 
2014-04-10 05:19:28 PM  
 
2014-04-10 05:26:13 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Says the person posting on fark.
 
2014-04-10 05:53:15 PM  

Jument: I am not a parent but in dealing with anyone, adult or child, you can't issue an insane ultimatum because if you get called on it you lose the war. He's lucky his kid blinked first that day.


As I said above, no way I can verify the truth of it...could easily be fabricated.  I never took it at face value anyway.  Still funny, kinda in the way of Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy discussing the ass whippings they got as kids in their standup.

For the record (and before anyone else flames me):

The wife & I don't spank our daughter, we ground her.

/bolded so it can be seen easily
 
2014-04-10 05:58:26 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Beat your kids twice a day. If you don't know why...they do." --My Dad


And always pie the room before you go through the door. Your kids might be waiting on the other side with a shotgun
 
2014-04-10 05:59:52 PM  

ristst: Jument: I am not a parent but in dealing with anyone, adult or child, you can't issue an insane ultimatum because if you get called on it you lose the war. He's lucky his kid blinked first that day.

As I said above, no way I can verify the truth of it...could easily be fabricated.  I never took it at face value anyway.  Still funny, kinda in the way of Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy discussing the ass whippings they got as kids in their standup.

For the record (and before anyone else flames me):

The wife & I don't spank our daughter, we ground her.

/bolded so it can be seen easily


There is a difference between spanking as a continual punishment or surrogate punishment, and spanking to establish a line. I was spanked twice. That is all it took to know where the line was and not ever venture over it. I remember not really caring about being put in time-out or grounded. I didn't like it, but it was the fear of the spanking that kept me from going over the edge. I have seen very few kids who simply grounding and teaching them is effective.
 
2014-04-10 06:03:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Child belt beatings are legal in PA, as long as you don't use the buckle.

/don't ask me how i know that


IS it legal to beat your wife or girlfriend with a belt though? I mean, like the other poster said, Usually just a quick smack on their ass gets attention, but sometimes, it's a serious offense where they need to pay attention.

Imagine explaining that to the judge.

"But, Your HONOR, she needed a little straightening out so she would mind and do what I tell her to do!"

www.tonkoorevaar.be

Elvis knew what was up. (That's not a 'shop, by the way.)
 
2014-04-10 06:05:37 PM  

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


The thing about it is, you don't really have to define "reasonable" to know that fifty lashes doesn't fall into that category. But that's beside the point, as the legal definition is the same as the literal definition: within reason. This was not.
 
2014-04-10 06:05:37 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


Nah I'll blame his POS parents for teaching him that violence is cool and an awesome way to resolve interpersonal disputes, a prerequisite for gangbanging.
 
2014-04-10 06:12:09 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Nah I'll blame his POS parents for teaching him that violence is cool and an awesome way to resolve interpersonal disputes, a prerequisite for gangbanging.

Just like John Wayne.
cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2014-04-10 06:19:36 PM  
I'm glad to see that the barbaric ritual of beating your kids as an alternative to actual real punishment is slowly becoming unexcepted in civilized society. Bravo!
 
2014-04-10 06:24:03 PM  
Hit that pefect
 
2014-04-10 06:29:53 PM  

Starshines: HotWingConspiracy: She then forces the child to say, repeatedly, that "it's not cool to be a gangster."

Obviously beating your kid and posting the act for the world to see is inadvisable on many levels, but I can endorse the sentiment here.

The best way to teach your kid that it's not cool to be a gangsta is to act like a violent thug and beat the shiat out of him.


Anything stops being cool once your parents are into it.
 
2014-04-10 06:36:13 PM  
When I was a kid, I was beat with paddles, switches, fingernails buried into my arm until it bled, belts, etc. I've never hit my kids. Ever. Beating kids teaches them to fear you from violence. Weird way to help someone who loves you, learn how to do things.Or what is acceptable.

My mom apologized many years later for beating the hell out of us.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Interracial couple wife spanking. Desi and Lucy. Hello, American TV>
 
2014-04-10 06:52:42 PM  
My maternal grandmother used a razor strop on her eight kids--one swipe across the backs of the legs.

bigstoopidbruce: Republican creationist Baptist checking in here.  I have rarely on a few occasions used a belt very lightly spank my children - but only after a serious and intentional issue.  Most of the time, on those rare times I spank, I would use the palm of my hand.  I have maybe used a belt a dozen times in 18 years of parenthood with three kids.

Not to say folks shouldn't use a belt or switch, but I think you're better off saving that for those serious infractions.

As with any other punishment, you do not punish out of anger, you do not punish emotionally, and you never leave a mark.  The point is not to damage the child, the point is to get the child's attention in a big way.

This was not a normal parental punishment that got out of hand.  This was some sick group thing - like a class punishment project.  You're not hitting the kid because you're bigger than he is.  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.


This.  Though I've never used a belt on my son, just gave him a swat on the rear end with my hand if necessary.

/also a creationist baptist
//but not a republican
 
2014-04-10 07:01:38 PM  
ristst:
For the record (and before anyone else flames me):

The wife & I don't spank our daughter, we ground her.

/bolded so it can be seen easily


and that makes you a part of the problem.Kids these days have no respect for authority in no small part because wimps like you don't put fear (and therefore respect) for authority into them at a young age.  You probably also would have supported abolishing corporal punishment in schools if you could have.  Kids who respect their elders and authorities are the ones that do not grow up to shoot up the school or become vegan or any other bullshiat that only happens because weak parents (like you) couldn't teach them properly.

I make no secret that I think a punishment should deter a crime, and the pain of a spanking when I was growing up certainly curbed the worst behaviors I had quickly.  Your "time out" is an abomination.   My dad would take "time out" of his busy day to whup my ass when I deserved it.

I bolded the part I want you to see easily as well.
 
2014-04-10 07:15:44 PM  
51 years old. My dad used a wire hanger. Usually just a couple whacks over our pajama bottoms when my brother and I were making too much noise after bed-time. It stung.

As an adult who needs to be able to farking sleep to get up for work in the morning, I can almost sympathize. But 50 lashes is a going a little too Sharia.
 
2014-04-10 07:16:39 PM  

Miss Alexandra: My maternal grandmother used a razor strop on her eight kids--one swipe across the backs of the legs.

bigstoopidbruce: Republican creationist Baptist checking in here.  I have rarely on a few occasions used a belt very lightly spank my children - but only after a serious and intentional issue.  Most of the time, on those rare times I spank, I would use the palm of my hand.  I have maybe used a belt a dozen times in 18 years of parenthood with three kids.

Not to say folks shouldn't use a belt or switch, but I think you're better off saving that for those serious infractions.

As with any other punishment, you do not punish out of anger, you do not punish emotionally, and you never leave a mark.  The point is not to damage the child, the point is to get the child's attention in a big way.

This was not a normal parental punishment that got out of hand.  This was some sick group thing - like a class punishment project.  You're not hitting the kid because you're bigger than he is.  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.

This.  Though I've never used a belt on my son, just gave him a swat on the rear end with my hand if necessary.

/also a creationist baptist
//but not a republican


You left out "geocentrist"
 
2014-04-10 07:22:12 PM  
This is abuse. But how serious, as in, 'Is it bad enough that the children should be taken away?' serious. Or 'some anger management and family counselling could go a long way towards fixing this', serious. There isn't enough information for that.

I hope for all concerned that the CPS involved here has competent investigators who can determine if this is a pattern of beatings and neglect, or "normal" corporal punishment with the occasional "exceptional" beating. That may sound like some strange line to draw, but I think that many children who grew up in 50s-70s and lived with normal families can identify with that scenario. Especially if they had generally loving families. But if it's one of those households where children are generally unsupervised with beatings used to shut them up/terrorize them into compliance, then the parents should be jailed and hopefully loving families found to take the kids in. I will dream on their behalf. :(
 
2014-04-10 07:26:31 PM  

IronJelly: and that makes you a part of the problem.Kids these days have no respect for authority in no small part because wimps like you don't put fear (and therefore respect) for authority into them at a young age.  You probably also would have supported abolishing corporal punishment in schools if you could have.  Kids who respect their elders and authorities are the ones that do not grow up to shoot up the school or become vegan or any other bullshiat that only happens because weak parents (like you) couldn't teach them properly.

I make no secret that I think a punishment should deter a crime, and the pain of a spanking when I was growing up certainly curbed the worst behaviors I had quickly.  Your "time out" is an abomination.   My dad would take "time out" of his busy day to whup my ass when I deserved it.

I bolded the part I want you to see easily as well.


+10   Sheer brilliance

/love your username
 
2014-04-10 07:36:55 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


I'd add "...in spite of the dysfunction we grew up with," but your story and mine are not necessarily the same.
 
2014-04-10 07:39:25 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: There is a difference between spanking as a continual punishment or surrogate punishment, and spanking to establish a line. I was spanked twice. That is all it took to know where the line was and not ever venture over it. I remember not really caring about being put in time-out or grounded. I didn't like it, but it was the fear of the spanking that kept me from going over the edge. I have seen very few kids who simply grounding and teaching them is effective.


I won't deny it was exactly the same with me growing up.  Fear kept us in line and it worked.

It's a little tougher with my kid being a girl in relation to spanking.  My sister didn't get spanked that I know of, and she was born in '55.  Didn't work that way with my brother and me.
 
2014-04-10 08:06:03 PM  

70Ford: Crotchrocket Slim: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Nah I'll blame his POS parents for teaching him that violence is cool and an awesome way to resolve interpersonal disputes, a prerequisite for gangbanging.
Just like John Wayne.
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Notice that the Duke is using an open hand and not a belt.

Also, are you sure we want to say beating our romantic love interests is a good thing?
/maybe I'm a little unclear on how ironically to read your post
 
2014-04-10 08:06:50 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: 70Ford: Crotchrocket Slim: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Nah I'll blame his POS parents for teaching him that violence is cool and an awesome way to resolve interpersonal disputes, a prerequisite for gangbanging.
Just like John Wayne.
[cdn0.sbnation.com image 320x240]

Notice that the Duke is using an open hand and not a belt.

Also, are you sure we want to say beating our romantic love interests is a good thing?
/maybe I'm a little unclear on how ironically to read your post


Or maybe not and I need to stop Farking on an iPhone
 
2014-04-10 09:09:19 PM  
+1 Thumbs up.  Was that wrong?
 
2014-04-10 10:41:30 PM  

lostcat: mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?

I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.


Yes, you were defending their actions, and you prove it with thinking beating your kids is "keeping them in line." You are a horrible human being, and your excuses don't fly.
 
2014-04-10 11:05:10 PM  
My mom used to beat me with a belt, but looked really regretful when she did.  Always made it seem as if it was hurting her at the same time it was hurting me (although she never expressed that).   OTOH, the snapping of the belt was a refrain in our house, if not a constant one.  She used it as a tool.  She was a depression era kid, one of eight (plus three still born).

I have a eight and ten year old kids.  I've never spanked them.  Once, I threatened one of them with spanking - I never felt bad about the threat, and I was ready to go through with it  with a level head.  I would have made a big production out of it, but wouldn't have used anything like a belt.  This instance is dwarfed by the other disciplinary events that stressed respect for others, with the threat of some consequences (one can easily remember from childhood that imagined consequences are much harsher than real ones).


I don't really have a point here.  But I suppose if there is one, it's that if you have to beat your child, you lack the intelligence or imagination necessary to outwit them.
 
2014-04-10 11:07:43 PM  

ristst: tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid. I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted. It's not an uncommon thing.

I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force


So...  vote republican?
 
2014-04-10 11:18:32 PM  

IronJelly: the pain of a spanking when I was growing up certainly curbed the worst behaviors I had quickly.


Yeah, see, the thing is that you happen to be a psychopath.  Normal people can learn to treat others well without the fear of physical pain.

You're on medication, I hope?
 
2014-04-10 11:22:19 PM  

IronJelly: Kids these days


*snert*

Methinks IronJelly wears an onion on his belt.
 
2014-04-10 11:45:13 PM  
at least he didn't spill paint in the garage....


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2014-04-11 01:21:55 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: mikebdoss: Your parents were all sadistic child abusers.

You should see what the children of the family got up to before you pass judgement.  I did some pretty horrible things to my brothers and sisters.


Did you ever wonder why you did those horrible things? Maybe you learned that might and opportunity makes right initially because of the beatings, and only later learned empathy and compassion in retrospect?
 
2014-04-11 01:23:44 AM  

IronJelly: ristst:
For the record (and before anyone else flames me):

The wife & I don't spank our daughter, we ground her.

/bolded so it can be seen easily

and that makes you a part of the problem.Kids these days have no respect for authority in no small part because wimps like you don't put fear (and therefore respect) for authority into them at a young age.  You probably also would have supported abolishing corporal punishment in schools if you could have.  Kids who respect their elders and authorities are the ones that do not grow up to shoot up the school or become vegan or any other bullshiat that only happens because weak parents (like you) couldn't teach them properly.

I make no secret that I think a punishment should deter a crime, and the pain of a spanking when I was growing up certainly curbed the worst behaviors I had quickly.  Your "time out" is an abomination.   My dad would take "time out" of his busy day to whup my ass when I deserved it.

I bolded the part I want you to see easily as well.


Obama is authority. Do you respect him simply because he's authority?

Or maybe, just maybe, authoritarianism is bullshiat and only useful for controlling idiots.
 
2014-04-11 01:25:06 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: 70Ford: Crotchrocket Slim: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Nah I'll blame his POS parents for teaching him that violence is cool and an awesome way to resolve interpersonal disputes, a prerequisite for gangbanging.
Just like John Wayne.
[cdn0.sbnation.com image 320x240]

Notice that the Duke is using an open hand and not a belt.

Also, are you sure we want to say beating our romantic love interests is a good thing?
/maybe I'm a little unclear on how ironically to read your post


Hey, if she likes it... ;)
 
2014-04-11 06:21:37 AM  
So the kid wanted to grow up to be a gangster and got an ass-whuppin for it.

Which is it FARK?

Should those little gangstar wannabes have a good ass-whuppin so they grow up straight or are the parents horrible child abusers who deserve jail?
 
2014-04-11 10:05:16 AM  

dready zim: So the kid wanted to grow up to be a gangster and got an ass-whuppin for it.

Which is it FARK?

Should those little gangstar wannabes have a good ass-whuppin so they grow up straight or are the parents horrible child abusers who deserve jail?


It's not an either/or proposition, well at least if you're not a moron.
 
2014-04-11 10:13:40 AM  
Pitabred:Obama is authority. Do you respect him simply because he's authority?

Or maybe, just maybe, authoritarianism is bullshiat and only useful for controlling idiots.


I certainly respect the office he's in, and the intelligence of the people who put him there (ie, the majority of Americans) enough to put trust in him.  We put up with 8 years of your guy, you could just bite your swollen tongue and put up with 8 years of our guy.  neither one actually destroyed the world, despite vocal people telling you they would.

He's in office.  I have health care, I got a tax refund, I wasn't drafted, I know soldiers who returned safely from war, and my pay went up.  Why wouldn't I respect a man who helped make that happen?
 
2014-04-11 10:20:21 AM  

gopher321: Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!"


Well we didn't all grow up in the everyone gets a trophy, timeout, bubble wrap generation. I probably still have wooden spoon marks on my ass.
 
2014-04-11 11:18:45 AM  

IronJelly: ristst:
For the record (and before anyone else flames me):

The wife & I don't spank our daughter, we ground her.

/bolded so it can be seen easily

and that makes you a part of the problem.Kids these days have no respect for authority in no small part because wimps like you don't put fear (and therefore respect) for authority into them at a young age.  You probably also would have supported abolishing corporal punishment in schools if you could have.  Kids who respect their elders and authorities are the ones that do not grow up to shoot up the school or become vegan or any other bullshiat that only happens because weak parents (like you) couldn't teach them properly.

I make no secret that I think a punishment should deter a crime, and the pain of a spanking when I was growing up certainly curbed the worst behaviors I had quickly.  Your "time out" is an abomination.   My dad would take "time out" of his busy day to whup my ass when I deserved it.

I bolded the part I want you to see easily as well.


Actually the problem with a lot of modern parents is NOT "beatings ensure respect!" it's a lack of follow-through on a punishment or infraction.

If you are going to ground a kid for being a little shiat for a week, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. I can't tell you the number of times I saw my MIL give up on a punishment with my SIL after a day or two.

For MIL I think it was just sheer exhaustion, she was 55 and her other 2 kids where Adults and out of the house by this time. She was just done with kids.
 
2014-04-11 03:13:02 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.

What it also your wonderful mom who engrained in you a hatred of "welfare/healthcare/b*stard children/Obamacare/illegal aliens, etc."


No, actually we weren't permitted to use racial slurs of any kind.  It's just my personal opinion.  However, I must compliment you on your memory.  It is superb.
 
2014-04-11 07:55:08 PM  

Cold_Sassy: 100 Watt Walrus: Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.

What it also your wonderful mom who engrained in you a hatred of "welfare/healthcare/b*stard children/Obamacare/illegal aliens, etc."

No, actually we weren't permitted to use racial slurs of any kind.  It's just my personal opinion.  However, I must compliment you on your memory.  It is superb.


I can't credit my memory. That thread is why I have you farkied in red, and I put thread#s in my farkies.
 
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