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2014-04-10 03:20:53 PM  
I got it with a 2x2. I swore I'd never hit my kids as a result of the childhood I had.
 
2014-04-10 03:21:39 PM  
When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it

Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good
 
2014-04-10 03:21:46 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?
 
2014-04-10 03:22:24 PM  

lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.


I totally agree. Teach them fear and pain young so they learn why it is bad to bully people unless they need to learn a lesson. (Rather than because it's fun if you can.)
 
2014-04-10 03:22:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.


I'll make a flying guess this is overcompensation for years of neglect. You can make up for four years of no discipline in like, twenty minutes if you try hard enough. Then you can go get high again, and no need for any more discipline or involvement for at least another year.

"Boy, get down here! Tax time is punishment time!"
 
2014-04-10 03:22:56 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: It's going to vary depending on who you ask, but I think it's pretty widely accepted that hitting a kid with something is too much. The rule I use with my kids is - at most, one smack on the ass with an open hand. That's it. Not multiple blows, no back/leg/head shots, and certainly no weapons. Sticks, belts, hairbrushes, wooden spoons...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids


My father had an old leather belt hanging on the back of the basement door with "psychology" carved into it.  If we acted up, our last warning was always "I'm going to use psychology on you if you don't knock it off".

He seldom had to even bring it out.  And he could make a snapping sound with it that was utterly terrifying.
 
2014-04-10 03:26:47 PM  
The only time I ever hit my son was an immediate, unthinking reaction when he hit his younger sister.
The second he slapped her, I slapped him on the back.

I didn't hit him hard. Just enough for him to realize that what he did was very wrong.
He never hit her again.  But I would never push it any further than that.

Considering I myself was a victim of a very abusive stepfather, when I was very young, I have no tollerance at all for people treating their children with violence.  I hope this woman doesn't get to see her kid again for long time.
 
2014-04-10 03:27:34 PM  

theflatline: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x318]


I was hoping that a picture would help me figure out if Uteas was male or female.  It didn't.
 
2014-04-10 03:28:03 PM  
Glad no one has pointed out how annoying those people are.
 
2014-04-10 03:28:13 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.


My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.
 
2014-04-10 03:29:21 PM  
I got beat with just about everything as a kid from the 80s.  Be it wooden spoon, tree branches (switches) or belt.   I deserved everyone of them.

/was a little bastard
/it's why I have no kids of my own
 
2014-04-10 03:29:48 PM  
It was mentioned in the article that he was posting lies about himself on facebook, and that they forced him to say "it ain't cool to be a gangsta" into the camera. Now, if little deShawn, or Malik, or Toby, or whatever stupid name they gave this future criminal, beating the kid 50 times with the belt to keep him away from gang life doesn't seem too excessive to me. Especially if you consider the beating he'd take if he got initiated.
 
2014-04-10 03:30:00 PM  
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2014-04-10 03:30:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.


I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.
 
2014-04-10 03:30:58 PM  

Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.


Yeah, but we just got a few stinging smacks on the backside, not beaten. I went to grade school with some boys whose father was a brute. If they brought home a report card with anything lower than Bs, they had to go to their bedroom, strip naked and wait until he decided to come and beat them senseless with a belt. Sometime he would need hours to decide it was time to teach them a lesson. I'm all for punishing children when they need it, but hitting a kid in the face with a belt isn't punishment. It is the act of a sick fark, who enjoys hurting someone weaker and causing them terror. Unfortunately, there were no child protective services back then. Even today, by the time CPS can intervene, the abuse has gone on for a long time.
 
2014-04-10 03:31:19 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

And it used to be normal for some cultures to rip the heart out of a random person every day to make sure the sun rises in the morning.


That's a bunch of BS. It was to make sure the sun  set in the  evening.
 
2014-04-10 03:31:54 PM  
i1.ytimg.com
"Why the wrench?"
"Cuz, fark him... that's why"
 
2014-04-10 03:31:57 PM  

mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?


I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.
 
2014-04-10 03:32:01 PM  

Savage Belief: It was mentioned in the article that he was posting lies about himself on facebook, and that they forced him to say "it ain't cool to be a gangsta" into the camera. Now, if little deShawn, or Malik, or Toby, or whatever stupid name they gave this future criminal, beating the kid 50 times with the belt to keep him away from gang life doesn't seem too excessive to me. Especially if you consider the beating he'd take if he got initiated.


The people arrested look like they're a half chromosome short.
I don't think their plan was that well thought out.
 
2014-04-10 03:32:52 PM  
bigstoopidbruce:  You're spanking him because you don't want him to grow up to be a savage.

The irony, it burns!
 
2014-04-10 03:35:53 PM  

Cold_Sassy: We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Opinions vary.
 
2014-04-10 03:36:31 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Ero hoc post propter hoc?

it's a funny thing, perhaps because I am a genuine sadist, I truly cannot ever imagine striking my child, much less using an implement to increase the pain and severity of those beatings  (and Yes I am a minor expert in using  those very same implements on consenting adults) It actually makes me physically sick to contemplate (even though it was a regular feature of my upbringing , and I don;t consider my parent to have been abusive, just misguided)
 
2014-04-10 03:40:10 PM  

Magorn: Ero hoc post propter hoc?


Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - After this, therefore because of this.

/thanks West Wing
 
2014-04-10 03:40:58 PM  

lostcat: mediablitz: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Or, people will point to all the studies that show using violence on children produces violent results. You can "care" without being a violent asshole. Not sure why you think it is one or the other. Too many beating as a kid?

I'm not defending their actions. Just making the point that people like to talk about "absentee parenting" especially among families living below the poverty line. Here's a case where parents are trying to keep their kids in line, but they need some help on how best to accomplish their goals.


Flint has been working on not taking kids away, and getting parents to learn better parenting. This case a bit more extreme.
 
2014-04-10 03:44:37 PM  

ongbok: HotWingConspiracy: lostcat: And when the kid grows up to be a gangsta, everyone is going to complain that the parents didn't care and let the kid do whatever he wanted growing up.

Yeah they tried. I'm not confident it's the best practice, but nobody can say they don't care or were uninvolved.

I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does.


Who needs a scientific study when you've got solid empirical evidence like this? Stupid libs. It's like it says in the Bible: spare the cat o' nine tails, spoil the child.
 
2014-04-10 03:44:53 PM  
Who have thought setting your relationship to Its Complicated could cause so much fuss?
 
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2014-04-10 03:47:44 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Cold_Sassy: We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.

Opinions vary.


content8.flixster.com

//don't know for sure... just guessin'
 
2014-04-10 03:51:16 PM  
If it is generally accepted that _______ is bad to do, the only people who will do it are the ones who don't care about being bad.  Ergo, if you are a loving parent who cares about their child, and take the time to read/study/discuss appropriate ways of raising your child - you'll learn that you shouldn't do _________.  Regardless of whether or not __________ is true or not.  Lots of advice that was just as generally accepted is no longer generally accepted.

In our society, everyone is told that physically disciplining your children is wrong.  The vast majority of good, caring parents don't.  This creates a wonderful strawman....the parents who do are *also* doing all sorts of other things 'wrong' and generally fail at parenting.  It's not really about ___________ it's just sucky parents don't try to be good parents.
 
2014-04-10 03:51:45 PM  

tiamet4: I'm not against corporal punishment and I was spanked with a belt as a kid. I remember my mom making the joke that I was free to call social services if I wanted. It's not an uncommon thing.


I worked with a guy (ex-military) that loved telling the story how he was gonna give his son an ass-whippin' for some reason, and his son threatened to call child services.

He said his answer was:  "Go ahead and call them.  You will be DEAD when they get here."
Son says "But you'll go to jail!"
He said "That may be....but you won't care because you will be DEAD."

I asked if he administered the ass-whippin'....the answer was yes.

/his son is now an officer in the Air Force
 
2014-04-10 03:52:03 PM  
I know why alien beings from other planets come here covertly then leave immediately.
Humans
 
2014-04-10 03:52:18 PM  
I bet they will whoop his butt now when they get out of jail. Unless of course CS stepped in.
 
2014-04-10 03:53:11 PM  
FB takes this down but I've seen pics of gore on FB from motorcycle accidents? Wut?


Sounds like the line was crossed from discipline into whatever else... but... pretty sure that kid isn't going to want to be a gangsta any time soon. Probably should do that to everyone saggin their pants.
 
2014-04-10 03:54:03 PM  

Gilligann: How the hell can someone do this?


It's all in the wrist
 
2014-04-10 03:54:43 PM  

ongbok: I know plenty of people that when they started showing signs of leaning towards an interest in gangsterism and criminality that a few hard beatings and public humiliation by their parents steered them away from those interest. Other people who's parents thought that beating wasn't the answer, and thought that talking and groundings were the way to go, ended up in the gang life or ended up doing something stupid trying to play gangster that got them into a mess. When it comes to gangs and criminal stuff, when a kid starts showing an active interest in it, a very forceful and hard response is what is needed to discourage them from it before somebody else does. Of course this is with kids that have involved parents. Kids that don't have involved parents are just on their own to figure it out.


I have some anecdotes as well.  They are the opposite of yours.  Whatever are we to do?
 
2014-04-10 03:55:58 PM  
Unfortunately, I was unable to see a copy of the video so I have no idea whether it was a "beating" or just "slaps on the ass" delivered 'one every 8 to ten seconds' (50 slaps over six minutes) interspersed with a lot of "You think being a gansta is cool? You wanna see what jail is like? You wanna die in your teens? Grow up, boy! We didn't raise you that way. . . .

Hell, I don't know. Maybe it was a beating and I'm wrong to think the parents were at their wits end.
 
2014-04-10 04:00:17 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: gopher321: Pocket Ninja: It took a hell of a lot longer than I would have expect for the article's comments section to go completely off the rails.

Lemme guess: "My pap would take me out to the woodshed blah blah blah I grew up right!" "That sick biatch should be beaten to death with a baseball bat to see how she likes it" "F*ck you you libral pussies/conservative nazis blah blah blah" etc etc

/dnrtfa

Well, one commenter queried as to whether CPS should do random checks on homeschooled children.


Actually, "homeschooling" has been used as a cover for abuse far to often.  If your kid shows up at school looking beaten & bruised, their teachers have to report it.  So they claim that they're homeschooling to isolate kids so they can't contact outsiders and ask for help and nobody can see the bruises.

http://hsinvisiblechildren.org/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/20/the-sinister-side-o f- home-schooling.html

There's definitely a case to be made for some level oversight.
 
2014-04-10 04:00:32 PM  
What you think an 11 y/o is going to do with fb?  I'd hate to see what they'd do if the kid owed em money.
 
2014-04-10 04:01:15 PM  
my parents engaged in extensive corporal punishment for my siblings and I during my childhood in the 50's.  never taught me a damned thing other than to do whatever was necessary to avoid the ass whipping.  Lie, whatever.
it did not teach me respect or any other positive motive that they may have had.
I have always regarded it as a way for adults to let off steam more than anything else.
bunch of crap
no, I am not now nor have I ever been a parent as I can think of much better things to do with my time even if that means eating bon bons and watching the soaps.
 
2014-04-10 04:02:08 PM  
Comedian Eddie Griffin had a routine that may shed some light on the thinking behind this. I can't find it on YouTube, but here's the gist of it...

His mother had a rule that he was only allowed to play up to the end of his block, but no further. He knew that if he went any further than that, she'd beat his ass. A couple of his buddies tried to get him to go explore the neighborhood with them, but Eddie looked back and saw his mom watching him and refused to go. "Eddie, you a little punk.", his boys said to him. "That's okay. I'd rather be a punk to y'all than catch an ass whooping from her.", he tells them.

He goes on to say that pain has a great way of reminding you to stay out of trouble. When those same friends later told him "Hey Eddie, let's go rob this liquor store", his reply was "Nah, I'm cool right here." And as it turns out...both of those cats wound up in prison, while Eddie went on to fame.

/it was actually funny when he told it
//but you get my point
///Boyz N The Hood had the same basic message
 
2014-04-10 04:03:01 PM  

Warlordtrooper: What is the legal definition of "reasonable"  You cannot define something that is different for every single person on earth.


On one hand, I agree the beating was over the top. Beating the crap out of a kid for Facebook posts about his grades and behavior is ridiculously excessive.

On the other hand (no, I didn't watch the video--not into seeing kids get the shiat beaten out of them), the mom and friends are quoted in TFA as having made the kid say "it's not cool to be gangster." Makes me wonder if there's not a whole lot more to the story that's not in TFA, and not a whole lot more to the situation that made the mother think this was the only way to get through to the kid. Those circumstances would not at all excuse or make me condone beating the child, but might mitigate any outrage I would feel if the mother had tried everything else and honestly didn't know what else to do to get through to the kid.

I've got a friend who's involved with mentoring a kid right now who is completely out of control to the point that the parents did not know what to do: the kid was abusive to the parents and the parents were abusive (in the form of neglect because they'd tried everything and nothing worked, so they finally threw up their hands and said "do what you want, you're going to anyway") to the kid so now the kid is a ward of the state because the parents--who had actually parented the kid, but the kid still was an obnoxious little shiat despite that--were at the end of their rope. Things aren't always as black and white as news articles make them, but no, it doesn't excuse abuse in any form.
 
2014-04-10 04:03:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: She then forces the child to say, repeatedly, that "it's not cool to be a gangster."

Obviously beating your kid and posting the act for the world to see is inadvisable on many levels, but I can endorse the sentiment here.


The best way to teach your kid that it's not cool to be a gangsta is to act like a violent thug and beat the shiat out of him.
 
2014-04-10 04:04:55 PM  
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2014-04-10 04:05:30 PM  
Yeah, corporal punishment as part of a structured system of discipline is fine, and actually works fairly well, though like everything involving training or punishing humans it's situational and you can't just do it at random because you're pissed or angry.

Posting the video online like hitting your kid is some sort of accomplishment and to publicly humiliate them is pretty textbook child abuse, though.  The point of corporal punishment is that you're punished, it hurts, and that's the end of it.

That's not exactly a thin, fuzzy line in the sand they crossed there, there's a really obvious difference between corporal punishment and what's up here.
 
2014-04-10 04:05:57 PM  

Aigoo: Things aren't always as black and white as news articles make them, but no, it doesn't excuse abuse in any form.


Send him to Military school.
Problem solved.
 
2014-04-10 04:06:07 PM  
This is why the government needs to take over all raising of children. So a consensus of people like you guys can decide what's right.
 
2014-04-10 04:07:25 PM  

probesport: What a child getting ready for an ass whuppin may look like.

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


They get really blurry?
 
2014-04-10 04:07:30 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fuggin Bizzy: Warlordtrooper: just to play devils advocate here, isn't using a belt a rather normal form of punishment, at least it was when my mom was a kid.

...my mom used to discipline us with multiple blows from whatever weapon came to hand. I've always felt that was wrong, and resolved to do better for my kids.

My Mom did this exact thing too, paddle ball paddles, spatulas, belts, switches, you name it... and guess what?  We all lived and grew up to be successful adults.


Sorry to bring you the bad news, but no, you didn't. Successful adults don't comment on Fark.
 
2014-04-10 04:07:41 PM  

theflatline: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x318]


All three parents have a diferent last name?
 
2014-04-10 04:09:02 PM  

JackieRabbit: You see, the problem is that stupid people don't know they're stupid.


QFT
 
2014-04-10 04:09:11 PM  

mediablitz: You can "care" without being a violent asshole.


Well, sure you CAN, but why would you want to?
 
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