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(Red Bull)   So the number of people watching eSports now exceeds the population of, er, France   (redbull.com) divider line 45
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2014-04-10 01:33:34 PM  
Are we still doing clan tags? Are those a thing?
 
2014-04-10 02:30:20 PM  
Watching other people play video games is boring as hell.
 
2014-04-10 02:33:19 PM  

moothemagiccow: Watching other people play video games is boring as hell.


Any kind of game
 
2014-04-10 02:36:53 PM  
Can someone please explain to me how people are watching World of Tanks, its like watching soccer where the people are replaced with snails.
 
2014-04-10 02:38:23 PM  
"E-SPORTS"
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The crap they put up in the article isn't even fun to watch.
 
2014-04-10 02:40:52 PM  
I've never really watched any competitive eSports, but random people playing various games (many single player) with commentary from the player and others watching can be fun to watch on Twitch.tv.
 
2014-04-10 02:45:50 PM  
Nothing better than sitting two people sit moving only their thumbs blankly stare a TV
 
2014-04-10 03:03:00 PM  
Dota 2...  The International's first place team won $1,437,190..   What did you you win??
 
2014-04-10 03:09:21 PM  
I have a friend who spends hours watching twitch streams of games he owns, and where the streamer hardly talks.

I don't get it.
 
2014-04-10 03:16:37 PM  

MugzyBrown: Nothing better than sitting two people sit moving only their thumbs blankly stare a TV


Can't be worse than watching a few of guys standing around waiting till one of a series of guys hits a small ball in their direction.
 
2014-04-10 03:19:16 PM  

Phelyx: Can someone please explain to me how people are watching World of Tanks, its like watching soccer where the people are replaced with snails.


Well, with the WGL Finals last week, Wargaming released codes during the stream that translated into small amounts of "gold" (the in-game currency purchasable only with real money), effectively bribing people to watch.

I do admit that the upper echelons of WoT standard games are pretty boring (both teams stay defensive for as long as possible, hoping the other team makes a mistake), but they've made some new game modes that are changing how those competitions play out.

As long as these things bring in advertising dollars to a Free to Play game, I'm happy.  I'd rather have crazy people watch eSports than have to pay $15 a month.
 
2014-04-10 03:39:29 PM  

gimlet: Dota 2...  The International's first place team won $1,437,190..   What did you you win??


The warm feeling of not having ever played Dota, of course.

/a million bucks split by teams isn't going to be much at all once taxes are done with it.
 
2014-04-10 03:44:51 PM  

fluffy2097: gimlet: Dota 2...  The International's first place team won $1,437,190..   What did you you win??

The warm feeling of not having ever played Dota, of course.

/a million bucks split by teams isn't going to be much at all once taxes are done with it.


If you can win the International, you are sponsored. $$

I am not saying it is for everyone but e-sports are poised to bring in some SERIOUS money.
 
2014-04-10 03:57:27 PM  
71,500,000
This is the number of people who watched competitive gaming in 2013.


Yeah, adding together the viewership of the various leagues doesn't work that way, people watching LoL tournaments in its two separate leagues are the  same people, and they're the same people watching the DOTA 2 league games, mostly.

Probably mostly a different set than watch the korean SC/SC2 games, but still.  Divide that number by something like 3 to 5 for overlap in audiences.

gimlet: Dota 2...  The International's first place team won $1,437,190..   What did you you win??


So 300k per person minus gear, that's not too bad.  The state lotteries, even the smaller ones, have better rewards and chance of winning, though, so by your logic getting a "job" buying and scratching lottery tickets is a better deal than pro gaming.
 
2014-04-10 03:58:55 PM  

gimlet: fluffy2097: gimlet: Dota 2...  The International's first place team won $1,437,190..   What did you you win??

The warm feeling of not having ever played Dota, of course.

/a million bucks split by teams isn't going to be much at all once taxes are done with it.

If you can win the International, you are sponsored. $$

I am not saying it is for everyone but e-sports are poised to bring in some SERIOUS money.


Funny, people were saying this back in 1999 when people were playing Quake competitively, back then you were able to pull maybe 30-40k as a pro. I'm thinking this here is the glass ceiling.
 
2014-04-10 04:03:54 PM  
I don't really get the Let's Plays or the appeal behind watching others play games, but I recently watched some videos of high level fighting game players and couldn't help but be fascinated.  Seeing someone fight back and win after having a lifebar no wider than a pubic hair is kind of fun to see.
 
2014-04-10 04:12:58 PM  

fluffy2097: /a million bucks split by teams isn't going to be much at all once taxes are done with it.


.......really, dude?

Lame attempt at rationalization is lame.
 
2014-04-10 04:16:43 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: I don't really get the Let's Plays or the appeal behind watching others play games


there's a few people who make genuinely funny videos of their gaming and only really show that. day9's shriekfest through amnesia comes to mind

beyond that idk
 
2014-04-10 04:25:30 PM  
I said it before and I'll say it again: e-Sports has nothing to do with showcasing or embracing the best video games.  It's about marketing those games, and using the tournament scenes and competition that build around those games to distance them from any criticism.  Because after all, you're not playing the game for a living, so who are you to say that it sucks?  Failing to realize, of course, that most of the popular e-Sports--StarCraft II, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Street Fighter IV, Dota 2, League of Legends--are fundamentally flawed for reasons that don't require an exhaustive understanding of tactics and strategy.

Lumbar Puncture: I don't really get the Let's Plays or the appeal behind watching others play games, but I recently watched some videos of high level fighting game players and couldn't help but be fascinated.  Seeing someone fight back and win after having a lifebar no wider than a pubic hair is kind of fun to see.


If you don't understand what the things that make playing games special, then you're going to be more inclined to watch others play them, and very often, to use the broadcaster's "cuhrayzee personality" as a content wrapper for the games themselves.
 
2014-04-10 04:30:26 PM  

mainstreet62: fluffy2097: /a million bucks split by teams isn't going to be much at all once taxes are done with it.


.......really, dude?

Lame attempt at rationalization is lame.


Well he is right.  I have no clue how many people are on a team, but at no point is that 'make you rich' money or comparable to what real athletes pull in.  It's a solid chunk of change for playing a video game, and I wouldn't turn it down - but given the amount of time they have to invest into playing the same video game the cost benefit analysis comes out like a well paying job at best.

/kinda like the people who can grind out a living at poker.. you can make decent money, but for farks sake how does that not become mind numbing at some point.
 
2014-04-10 04:32:38 PM  
Fuxsan esport?
 
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2014-04-10 04:39:20 PM  
Things like "lets play" are great ways to take a few minutes and see if the gameplay of a given title is something you're interested in.    Past that, I don't get the whole idea of watching a twitch stream for hours either, when I could be playing a game myself.

As for folks who shake their heads at spectatorship of this sort of thing, televised poker tournaments are (were?) a widely accepted thing, I don't see how this is much different at all.
 
2014-04-10 04:42:26 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Fuxsan esport?


nerds watching other nerds play video games, sponsored by advertising money
 
2014-04-10 04:47:31 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: I don't really get the Let's Plays or the appeal behind watching others play games, but I recently watched some videos of high level fighting game players and couldn't help but be fascinated.  Seeing someone fight back and win after having a lifebar no wider than a pubic hair is kind of fun to see.


I assume it's  just like watching a normal sport. If you're the kind of person who likes playing baseball then I can understand why watching players who are really damn good at baseball would be interesting. It's easy to translate that to something like LoL or something.
 
2014-04-10 04:51:11 PM  

Foxxinnia: I assume it's  just like watching a normal sport. If you're the kind of person who likes playing baseball then I can understand why watching players who are really damn good at baseball would be interesting. It's easy to translate that to something like LoL or something.


Meh, its a lot more entertaining to watch people do something physically impressive rather than whatever skillset video games are.

/plays video games, would never watch them
//haven't played a sport since 10th grade, watch them all the time.
 
2014-04-10 04:51:56 PM  
optimistic_cynic:

Funny, people were saying this back in 1999 when people were playing Quake competitively, back then you were able to pull maybe 30-40k as a pro. I'm thinking this here is the glass ceiling.

The difference now is that everyone who is interested can watch it for free. Streaming the tournaments to the masses was impossible up until a few years ago. The ability to watch the games and become familiar with players helps grow the sport. A lot of the pro players now stream during their downtime to make a regular pay check. This is catering to a new era of consumers that are growing up in a world that is constantly connected.

The 90's had the vision but it took longer than expected for the technology to get up to speed.

/When did a million dollars become chump change?
 
2014-04-10 04:59:06 PM  

Foxxinnia: It's easy to translate that to something like LoL or something.


the reason LoL translates 'well' is because of two major factors

1) it builds an audience. the game is designed to have very simple mechanics. you have a mans, each mans goes a certain place and builds a certain way. you push a half dozen buttons, each character's toolbox is designed to be pretty broad, and the game is free to play. there are the talent trees and unlocks and runes and buying heroes that all grant a feeling of progression in power as you go along, without any requirement for actual increase in skill

2) it is designed to be obfuscatory. the cause-effect chain of events in LoL is far too complicated for any but the most skilled players to really objectively look at a situation and say "this is where they messed up". as a result, people can argue, complain, talk, whine on reddit, declare nerfs/buffs, etc., and there is no real risk of a knowledgeable person coming in and saying "actually here is the math and why the mistake was this guy going q e r w instead of q r e w". this is more commonly referred to as 'a community'. the blame game also relies heavily on the fact that in an ideal, perfectly balanced and matched team, 80% of the mistakes are by people who are not you and 50% of the games will be losses, which makes people think they are far better than they actually are and that the only barrier to winning all the time is the burden of bad teammates
 
2014-04-10 05:03:10 PM  
<3 Sprawl <3
 
2014-04-10 05:08:10 PM  

gimlet: optimistic_cynic:

Funny, people were saying this back in 1999 when people were playing Quake competitively, back then you were able to pull maybe 30-40k as a pro. I'm thinking this here is the glass ceiling.

The difference now is that everyone who is interested can watch it for free. Streaming the tournaments to the masses was impossible up until a few years ago. The ability to watch the games and become familiar with players helps grow the sport. A lot of the pro players now stream during their downtime to make a regular pay check. This is catering to a new era of consumers that are growing up in a world that is constantly connected.

The 90's had the vision but it took longer than expected for the technology to get up to speed.

/When did a million dollars become chump change?


You're telling me you don't have a few million sitting around? In comparison of real sports 1 million is chump change.  You're correct the technology is certainly here to support it, but I think if it's taken 15 years to get to this point as far as the payouts go then maybe in another 15 years we'll see serious sport money. I feel this is much like the "linux will be the enterprise desktop of choice any day now" that we were also fond of saying back then.

/adjusts onion belt
 
2014-04-10 05:30:39 PM  
What is it like at these events? Not just when you watch at home on TV or your computer, but the article mentioned actual events where people gather to watch. Is it like golf and tennis where you have to be quiet not to break the concentration of the thumb athletes? Or is it like other sports with screaming and hollering and spilling beer?

I'm honestly curious.
 
2014-04-10 05:36:16 PM  

crotchgrabber: Is it like golf and tennis where you have to be quiet not to break the concentration of the thumb athletes? Or is it like other sports with screaming and hollering and spilling beer?


Actually, if the game uses a game model for incomplete information--an RTS with the fog of war or any game where that incomplete information must be anticipated in advance--the tournament organizers typically set up sound booths for the players so the crowd doesn't give away that something unconventional or surprising is about to transpire.
 
2014-04-10 06:24:45 PM  
Watching someone play a game can be very entertaining if they have a good personality, or there's a good narrator. Watching someone tear apart Thief was interesting from a game design point of view.
 
2014-04-10 06:46:51 PM  

crotchgrabber: What is it like at these events? Not just when you watch at home on TV or your computer, but the article mentioned actual events where people gather to watch. Is it like golf and tennis where you have to be quiet not to break the concentration of the thumb athletes? Or is it like other sports with screaming and hollering and spilling beer?

I'm honestly curious.


Valve released a documentary on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKti-OF0AKw
 
2014-04-10 08:51:46 PM  
As if video game culture wasn't asinine enough without having gamer celebrities too.

And boy there's a lot of gamers that have a massive sucking sound where their self-esteem should be. I play World of Tanks, and I'm admittedly bad, but there's always someone who is a good player who is constantly raging and fiercely defensive. And they usually have an entourage of sycophants with them.

I've had my ass kicked by enough of them to know they're actually talented. So why such a lack of self-esteem?
 
2014-04-10 08:57:46 PM  

spamdog: So why such a lack of self-esteem?


because deep down in their hearts they know they play world of tanks unironically
 
2014-04-10 09:39:15 PM  

sprawl15: because deep down in their hearts they know they play world of tanks unironically


Sometimes on Fark I don't know if I'm being made fun of for being a crochety old man, or if I am just in the company of fellow crochety old men.
 
2014-04-10 09:42:06 PM  
What was I saying about self-esteem again?
Something, anyway....
 
2014-04-10 09:59:58 PM  
The population of France surrenders... to Starcraft.
 
2014-04-10 11:08:52 PM  

spamdog: sprawl15: because deep down in their hearts they know they play world of tanks unironically

Sometimes on Fark I don't know if I'm being made fun of for being a crochety old man, or if I am just in the company of fellow crochety old men.


more the latter
 
2014-04-11 01:18:02 AM  

spamdog: Sometimes on Fark I don't know if I'm being made fun of for being a crochety old man, or if I am just in the company of fellow crochety old men.


We're all old here. Note the use of proper spelling and grammar.
 
2014-04-11 01:39:11 AM  
Well that makes me feel better.

I'm not out of touch. It's the children who are wrong.
 
2014-04-11 05:47:09 AM  
I watched the last Starcraft tournament finals with some friends earlier this year, I gotta say they certainly have the irritatingly long spaces of boring talking heads and paper-thin hyperbole between the events down pat.  F--, would not watch again.
 
2014-04-11 06:35:09 AM  
As a lifelong gamer in his 30s, I always enjoyed watching people play games a little bit, but not nearly as much as playing them myself. It was just kind of a vicarious second-best when I was out of quarters in the arcade or waiting for my turn on the console/PC.

Until League of Legends.

I don't know why exactly, but I really, really enjoy spectating LoL. Solo commentation or the pro matches commentated by Riot, doesn't matter, I found it enjoyable to watch at first sight, even in Korean (where I was first exposed to it). The more I learn about and play the game myself, the more I enjoy watching it. There isn't another game out there where that's true (Starcraft 2 and some of the fighting games aren't bad).

LoL has plenty of haters here and elsewhere, and I'm not going to bother arguing the merits of the game itself on the internet. But since (apparently) 30+ million people watched last year's world finals, and that's before rebroadcasting, I'm going to assert that the game has something special when it comes to its level of interest for spectating.

Whatever it says about me, my life's worthiness, or whatever, I have no interest in watching live sports on any medium - TV or Internet - but I watch LoL nearly every day.
 
2014-04-11 09:51:41 AM  

BumpInTheNight: I watched the last Starcraft tournament finals with some friends earlier this year, I gotta say they certainly have the irritatingly long spaces of boring talking heads and paper-thin hyperbole between the events down pat.  F--, would not watch again.


I heard a community manager for a big PC game mention something I found really interesting about Twitch.Tv, and why it is such a massive success, and the answer is lonely children, quite often home schooled ones.

You see, Mommy home schools little johnny, and denies him any social activity. Mom and dad can be his best friend. Right? (wrong.) add on top of this all the kids who just have no friends, move around a lot, etc, and you have quite a lot of people looking for company.

Enter a person playing a game they like, with a funny accent, saying funny things while playing said game.

Twitch streamers are rental friends for lonely children. If you're a lonely home schooled kid, a twitch stream of minecraft is the next best thing to having a friend sitting next to you while you play.
 
2014-04-11 01:29:52 PM  

fluffy2097: I heard a community manager for a big PC game mention something I found really interesting about Twitch.Tv, and why it is such a massive success, and the answer is lonely children, quite often home schooled ones.

You see, Mommy home schools little johnny, and denies him any social activity. Mom and dad can be his best friend. Right? (wrong.) add on top of this all the kids who just have no friends, move around a lot, etc, and you have quite a lot of people looking for company.

Enter a person playing a game they like, with a funny accent, saying funny things while playing said game.

Twitch streamers are rental friends for lonely children. If you're a lonely home schooled kid, a twitch stream of minecraft is the next best thing to having a friend sitting next to you while you play.


Not even just rental friend but rental big brother/sister.  Having younger siblings growing up with the dawn of home video gaming it was a pretty common request to ask me to play a game 'because I was so much better at it' and they loved to watch the game get played.
 
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