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(Bloomberg View)   "The most segregated cities in the U.S. are above the Mason-Dixon line." Suck it, Damyankees   (bloombergview.com) divider line 34
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5187 clicks; posted to Main » on 10 Apr 2014 at 2:29 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-04-10 02:42:31 PM  
5 votes:
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2014-04-10 12:47:34 PM  
5 votes:
Love the article title, "Liberal cities...".  The author's other works include "How the Tea Party Saved America" and "Chris Christie Doesn't Play Hardball".
2014-04-10 02:37:00 PM  
4 votes:
I'd consider myself liberal. But most liberals that I know really only want to talk about how they are sooo tolerant and love diversity. But in practice....well, you see the results.
2014-04-10 03:42:30 PM  
3 votes:
I am reminded of a saying:

"In the South, they don't care how close black folks get, as long as they don't get too high.

In the North, they don't care how high black folks get, as long as they don't get too close."

/james w johnson was writing about this back in the early 20th century. It's not a new feature.
2014-04-10 02:36:51 PM  
3 votes:
It's almost like the higher the population density the more you will see this... shocking

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2014-04-10 04:25:22 PM  
2 votes:

Superjew: Defensive Much, Southern US?



Actually, most of this thread sounds like defensive Northerners.
2014-04-10 02:59:23 PM  
2 votes:
It's true. The suburb I live in is a post-war GI-bill exurb made of newly flush-with-cash families fleeing the cities once the wartime economic constraints ended, freeing them to live the American Dream.

Key features:
# racial covenants on property deed prohibiting non-whites (except domestic help) from remaining on the property after sundown (in the entire metro area in that year, 99% of all new residential construction had these covenants)
# no public transit
# new industries relocated from the urban heart - for example, a new Ford assembly plant in the neighborhood (since redeveloped into a shopping mall)

Contrasted with:
# wartime housing, which was racially mixed during the war, became subsidized public housing  mostly populated by blacks, since they couldn't move out due to racial covenants above
# almost all wartime industry shut down or relocated to the burbs, leaving all those in public housing struggling to find work that was inaccessibly far away or not accessible via public transit.


And there you have it. The wartime economy mobilized an entire country, moving people around the nation, then sorted everyone according to race once the war was over.
2014-04-10 02:57:17 PM  
2 votes:
Can't we all just intermarry, make beautiful cream colored babies, and be done with this already.
2014-04-10 02:47:23 PM  
2 votes:
If you put effort into exposing who the  real racists are, it's you.
2014-04-10 02:40:29 PM  
2 votes:
I currently live in St. Louis and I can say for a fact that it is by far the most segregated town I've ever lived in.
2014-04-10 02:40:23 PM  
2 votes:
There is no definitive cause, and explanations vary.


Nice how they buried that, isn't it?
2014-04-10 02:39:47 PM  
2 votes:
Defensive Much, Southern US?
2014-04-10 02:39:14 PM  
2 votes:
people with similar traits tend to cluster together
story at 11
2014-04-10 02:37:35 PM  
2 votes:
I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.
2014-04-10 02:37:03 PM  
2 votes:
Stop using that word.

Just stop it.

Now.
2014-04-10 02:36:52 PM  
2 votes:
This just in - cities have high income inequality.

More on this breaking story at 11.
2014-04-10 01:11:17 PM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Love the article title, "Liberal cities...".  The author's other works include "How the Tea Party Saved America" and "Chris Christie Doesn't Play Hardball".


Can't argue with the bulk of the article, though. Especially the multiple, politically neutral theories about why such a discrepancy exists.

I know that in San Francisco, gentrification is pushing lower-income folks of all backgrounds out of the city. So, that should solve the problem.
2014-04-10 12:49:03 PM  
2 votes:
Reported, calling out Farker in the headline.
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2014-04-10 11:57:12 AM  
2 votes:
Because a lot of them moved from the South to get away from racism and also because cities in the North have more low income housing?
2014-04-10 06:12:42 PM  
1 votes:
This thread reminds me of a quote from Malcolm X:

"The North's liberals have been so long pointing accusing fingers at the South and getting away with it that they have fits when they are exposed as the world's worst hypocrites."

And it was MLK who said that the Cicero neighborhood in CHicago was the most racist place he had been in America.
2014-04-10 04:31:39 PM  
1 votes:

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?

no, I'm saying strangers do not speak to each other in that manner, and your entire first paragraph is completely made up.

Does that clear the air a bit?


for some reason... I often find myself in random conversations with random strangers of all stripes in all types of locations for various reasons. and the notion that random black guy struck up that random conversation with a random white guy in harvard square comes as absolutly no shock to me, and quite frankly, the conversation probably would've gone along a quite simular route.

And I'm from Richmond Virginia.. and look like a cross between a hillbilly and a viking

I guess, to have such life experiences, you gotta presnt yourself as someone that is approachable, jovial, maybe a little wierd in a fun way, but not anxious, paranoid or judgemental to the world around you.
2014-04-10 03:54:09 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-04-10 03:28:19 PM  
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: buckler: In Portland, I live in what has traditionally been a black neighborhood, and still has a majority-black population. The neighborhood and surrounding areas are undergoing major gentrification, which is attracting more whites and people of other ethnic groups, and this has a lot of long-time residents worried. However, the gentrification is being coupled with renovation and construction of affordable and mixed-income housing, which has allowed lower-income black (and white) residents to stay in the neighborhood, and often the same address, if they wish.

Other low-income housing units are also being built or upgraded throughout the city, so those who wish to leave the neighborhood in favor of something else (say, being closer to downtown amenities) to do so. So people of all ethnic groups who formerly lived in areas you could call "segregated" or "self-segregated", are flowing into each others' neighborhoods at an increasing rate.

I'm wondering how many other northers cities are following the same or similar pattern.

I call bullshiat. Renovation and construction costs money. There is no point to throw money down the drain to fix something up you won't see a return on. Outside of non-profit organizations and churches doing so as part of a charity or community service effort, no one in their right mind would do what you suggest. What is actually taking place is probably more along the lines of crack-houses being bulldozed over with town-homes being built as pseudo-fortresses that are median-cost so that young professionals purchase those homes in an effort to revitalize the area so that hopefully it attracts families, which in turn will bring money into the area and allow for additional development. Those folks in that area who own their own area can either sell their property and move further out, or sit in their shanty, however, property taxes alone are likely to get to the point where they have no other choice but to move.

Houston for example is a prime-e ...


I'm about to run late for an appointment, otherwise I'd do a little digging for hard info; as it is, I can only speak anecdotally. Certainly revitalization is a consideration, and a prime goal for the Portland Development Commission, which is the organization through which much of the gentrification is being done. However, the city also wants to sharply curb homelessness, since that tends to put a strain on law enforcement, medical and social services. Getting people into stable, affordable housing and employment programs help relieve that strain, and is ultimately a money-saver in the long run. I also suspect there's a gigantic cultural divide (in fact, I know there is) between Portland and Houston.
2014-04-10 03:00:57 PM  
1 votes:
Funny how the largest metro area in the "deep south" is ranked 24th in white-black segregation. City too busy to hate, biatches.

I always knew Northerners were more racist, glad it is finally being measured.
2014-04-10 02:51:13 PM  
1 votes:

learn2fly: Anyone ever been to Tulsa?


Lived there for a few years.  Horrible horrible place to live.  All the negatives of living in the south combined with horrible Northern winters.

Oh and tornadoes all the goddamned time.  Worst place I've 'ever' lived, bar none.
2014-04-10 02:50:27 PM  
1 votes:
Redlining. The answer is redlining.

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were such farking racist morons, they could put together a nice argument based on the Post-War Government expansion exacerbated the decline of our major cities. The FHA, Housing Projects, Cross-Bronx Expressway, etc... were all government programs that drove segregation, increased income inequality and slaughtered the tax base of our cities.
2014-04-10 02:46:45 PM  
1 votes:
Dear schlubmitter and author of TFA,

The Mason-Dixon line is irrelevant to Chicago, San Francisco, Minneapolis, and other cities far west of where the Civil War was fought. (Yes, the line predates the war.)

See?

www.exploretheline.com
2014-04-10 02:42:41 PM  
1 votes:
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Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets...
(Unless the player is on the other team, if you get my drift-google Tab Hunter.)
2014-04-10 02:40:32 PM  
1 votes:
Up north even the white rich neighborhoods are segregated.  You got the Irish-Catholic neighborhood, the Jewish neighborhood, the Russian and/or Persian Jewish neighborhood, the old money WASP neighborhood, the new-money WASP neighborhood, etc.
2014-04-10 02:37:52 PM  
1 votes:

Great Odins Raven: I'd consider myself liberal. But most liberals that I know really only want to talk about how they are sooo tolerant and love diversity. But in practice....well, you see the results.


Yeah, you sound like a liberal alright.
2014-04-10 02:32:18 PM  
1 votes:
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Feels insulted by the headline.
2014-04-10 02:31:09 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-04-10 02:05:45 PM  
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Can't argue with the bulk of the article, though. Especially the multiple, politically neutral theories about why such a discrepancy exists.

I know that in San Francisco, gentrification is pushing lower-income folks of all backgrounds out of the city. So, that should solve the problem


I can tell you why Philadelphia is so segregated.  The people in each one of those neighborhoods is racist as all hell.  I could tell you stories.  Suffice it to say that the complexion of any block doesn't change without some major conflicts.
2014-04-10 01:31:27 PM  
1 votes:
In before "Yeah, but it's worse in this and that city over there"
 
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