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2014-04-10 11:57:12 AM  
Because a lot of them moved from the South to get away from racism and also because cities in the North have more low income housing?
 
2014-04-10 12:47:34 PM  
Love the article title, "Liberal cities...".  The author's other works include "How the Tea Party Saved America" and "Chris Christie Doesn't Play Hardball".
 
2014-04-10 12:49:03 PM  
Reported, calling out Farker in the headline.
 
2014-04-10 01:08:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Reported, calling out Farker in the headline.


How did I not catch that?
 
2014-04-10 01:11:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Love the article title, "Liberal cities...".  The author's other works include "How the Tea Party Saved America" and "Chris Christie Doesn't Play Hardball".


Can't argue with the bulk of the article, though. Especially the multiple, politically neutral theories about why such a discrepancy exists.

I know that in San Francisco, gentrification is pushing lower-income folks of all backgrounds out of the city. So, that should solve the problem.
 
2014-04-10 01:31:27 PM  
In before "Yeah, but it's worse in this and that city over there"
 
2014-04-10 01:53:44 PM  
American people problems.
 
2014-04-10 02:05:45 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Can't argue with the bulk of the article, though. Especially the multiple, politically neutral theories about why such a discrepancy exists.

I know that in San Francisco, gentrification is pushing lower-income folks of all backgrounds out of the city. So, that should solve the problem


I can tell you why Philadelphia is so segregated.  The people in each one of those neighborhoods is racist as all hell.  I could tell you stories.  Suffice it to say that the complexion of any block doesn't change without some major conflicts.
 
2014-04-10 02:31:09 PM  
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2014-04-10 02:32:18 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
Feels insulted by the headline.
 
2014-04-10 02:33:34 PM  
www.racerrecords.com
Can you take me high enough?
 
2014-04-10 02:34:54 PM  
I'll have to look into their methodology because there are parts of Dallas I go to where I'm the only white guy without a badge.
 
2014-04-10 02:35:43 PM  
Pete and Re-Pete?
 
2014-04-10 02:35:51 PM  
But but but no institutionalized racism.
 
2014-04-10 02:36:51 PM  
It's almost like the higher the population density the more you will see this... shocking

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2014-04-10 02:36:52 PM  
This just in - cities have high income inequality.

More on this breaking story at 11.
 
2014-04-10 02:37:00 PM  
I'd consider myself liberal. But most liberals that I know really only want to talk about how they are sooo tolerant and love diversity. But in practice....well, you see the results.
 
2014-04-10 02:37:03 PM  
Stop using that word.

Just stop it.

Now.
 
2014-04-10 02:37:35 PM  
I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.
 
2014-04-10 02:37:48 PM  
Where are these floating cities that are above the line?
 
2014-04-10 02:37:52 PM  

Great Odins Raven: I'd consider myself liberal. But most liberals that I know really only want to talk about how they are sooo tolerant and love diversity. But in practice....well, you see the results.


Yeah, you sound like a liberal alright.
 
2014-04-10 02:38:52 PM  
Is it not segregation if you don't allow the brown people to live within the city limits?
 
2014-04-10 02:39:14 PM  
people with similar traits tend to cluster together
story at 11
 
2014-04-10 02:39:47 PM  
Defensive Much, Southern US?
 
2014-04-10 02:40:23 PM  
There is no definitive cause, and explanations vary.


Nice how they buried that, isn't it?
 
2014-04-10 02:40:29 PM  
I currently live in St. Louis and I can say for a fact that it is by far the most segregated town I've ever lived in.
 
2014-04-10 02:40:32 PM  
Up north even the white rich neighborhoods are segregated.  You got the Irish-Catholic neighborhood, the Jewish neighborhood, the Russian and/or Persian Jewish neighborhood, the old money WASP neighborhood, the new-money WASP neighborhood, etc.
 
2014-04-10 02:40:53 PM  
Racism.

That must be why.

There is no other possible reason.
 
2014-04-10 02:42:12 PM  
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Daymn Yankees!
 
2014-04-10 02:42:31 PM  
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2014-04-10 02:42:41 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets...
(Unless the player is on the other team, if you get my drift-google Tab Hunter.)
 
2014-04-10 02:44:00 PM  

mike_d85: I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.


That is complete bullshiat, but whatever.

If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?
 
2014-04-10 02:44:52 PM  
A dichotomy is afoot, somewhere amongst the submission of and commentation on this thread....
 
2014-04-10 02:45:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Love the article title, "Liberal cities...".  The author's other works include "How the Tea Party Saved America" and "Chris Christie Doesn't Play Hardball".


Bet the author humps floors too.

drlarsen.com
 
2014-04-10 02:45:50 PM  

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.

That is complete bullshiat, but whatever.

If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?


That stands to reason except for the practice of redlining which derails sensible outcomes.
 
2014-04-10 02:46:20 PM  
The loudest mouths are always the guiltiest.
 
2014-04-10 02:46:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Love the article title, "Liberal cities...".  The author's other works include "How the Tea Party Saved America" and "Chris Christie Doesn't Play Hardball".


Obesity is a leading cause of softballs.
 
2014-04-10 02:46:45 PM  
Dear schlubmitter and author of TFA,

The Mason-Dixon line is irrelevant to Chicago, San Francisco, Minneapolis, and other cities far west of where the Civil War was fought. (Yes, the line predates the war.)

See?

www.exploretheline.com
 
2014-04-10 02:47:23 PM  
If you put effort into exposing who the  real racists are, it's you.
 
2014-04-10 02:48:04 PM  
What do you expect?  In a place like Mississippi where the population is basically half and half, everything is integrated.
 
2014-04-10 02:48:45 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: That stands to reason except for the practice of redlining which derails sensible outcomes.


ok, fark it, it's racism. Feel better?
 
2014-04-10 02:49:13 PM  

Guelph35: Where are these floating cities that are above the line?


Above the line.
 
2014-04-10 02:50:01 PM  
Anyone ever been to Tulsa?
 
2014-04-10 02:50:27 PM  
Redlining. The answer is redlining.

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were such farking racist morons, they could put together a nice argument based on the Post-War Government expansion exacerbated the decline of our major cities. The FHA, Housing Projects, Cross-Bronx Expressway, etc... were all government programs that drove segregation, increased income inequality and slaughtered the tax base of our cities.
 
2014-04-10 02:51:13 PM  

learn2fly: Anyone ever been to Tulsa?


Lived there for a few years.  Horrible horrible place to live.  All the negatives of living in the south combined with horrible Northern winters.

Oh and tornadoes all the goddamned time.  Worst place I've 'ever' lived, bar none.
 
2014-04-10 02:52:58 PM  
Spike Lee doesn't want people who aren't attractive and successful moving into his neighborhood.
 
2014-04-10 02:54:32 PM  
In Portland, I live in what has traditionally been a black neighborhood, and still has a majority-black population. The neighborhood and surrounding areas are undergoing major gentrification, which is attracting more whites and people of other ethnic groups, and this has a lot of long-time residents worried. However, the gentrification is being coupled with renovation and construction of affordable and mixed-income housing, which has allowed lower-income black (and white) residents to stay in the neighborhood, and often the same address, if they wish.

Other low-income housing units are also being built or upgraded throughout the city, so those who wish to leave the neighborhood in favor of something else (say, being closer to downtown amenities) to do so. So people of all ethnic groups who formerly lived in areas you could call "segregated" or "self-segregated", are flowing into each others' neighborhoods at an increasing rate.

I'm wondering how many other northers cities are following the same or similar pattern.
 
2014-04-10 02:55:33 PM  
Fat fingers today. Sorry.
 
2014-04-10 02:56:01 PM  

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.

That is complete bullshiat, but whatever.

If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?


Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?
 
2014-04-10 02:57:15 PM  

JerseyTim: But but but no institutionalized racism.


Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.
 
2014-04-10 02:57:17 PM  
Can't we all just intermarry, make beautiful cream colored babies, and be done with this already.
 
2014-04-10 02:59:23 PM  
It's true. The suburb I live in is a post-war GI-bill exurb made of newly flush-with-cash families fleeing the cities once the wartime economic constraints ended, freeing them to live the American Dream.

Key features:
# racial covenants on property deed prohibiting non-whites (except domestic help) from remaining on the property after sundown (in the entire metro area in that year, 99% of all new residential construction had these covenants)
# no public transit
# new industries relocated from the urban heart - for example, a new Ford assembly plant in the neighborhood (since redeveloped into a shopping mall)

Contrasted with:
# wartime housing, which was racially mixed during the war, became subsidized public housing  mostly populated by blacks, since they couldn't move out due to racial covenants above
# almost all wartime industry shut down or relocated to the burbs, leaving all those in public housing struggling to find work that was inaccessibly far away or not accessible via public transit.

And there you have it. The wartime economy mobilized an entire country, moving people around the nation, then sorted everyone according to race once the war was over.
 
2014-04-10 02:59:48 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: JerseyTim: But but but no institutionalized racism.

Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.


You're adorable.

Get back to me when you get stopped for Driving While White.
 
2014-04-10 03:00:54 PM  
Gee, it's almost as if people live in areas with people of similar racial and ethnic backgrounds. Quelle surprise!

/we're more likely to be segregated by income in this country
//doubt me? count all the different "homes starting at X" signs in your area
 
2014-04-10 03:00:57 PM  
Funny how the largest metro area in the "deep south" is ranked 24th in white-black segregation. City too busy to hate, biatches.

I always knew Northerners were more racist, glad it is finally being measured.
 
2014-04-10 03:01:38 PM  
So Providence is a non racist city...

That must be why it has a horrific heroin problem.
 
2014-04-10 03:03:17 PM  

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.

That is complete bullshiat, but whatever.

If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?


Ah, but for a counterpoint, most of your "low-income" people are primarily black or latino. Are you saying black and latino people are uneducated?

/it's truth, go by the nearest trailer park.
 
2014-04-10 03:04:12 PM  

Infernalist: learn2fly: Anyone ever been to Tulsa?

Lived there for a few years.  Horrible horrible place to live.  All the negatives of living in the south combined with horrible Northern winters.

Oh and tornadoes all the goddamned time.  Worst place I've 'ever' lived, bar none.


Currently living in Tulsa and love it. Although you're right about the weather. We're lucky if we get a few dozen pleasant days to be outside per year. Either bitter cold and freakishly windy in the winter or furnace hot and freakishly windy in the summer.
 
2014-04-10 03:04:49 PM  

Great Odins Raven: I'd consider myself liberal. But most liberals that I know really only want to talk about how they are sooo tolerant and love diversity. But in practice....well, you see the results.


It is most likely self-segregation, which I dont see what the big deal is. Asians like to live around Asians, blacks like to live around blacks, etc. I know at least in Canada, data have shown East Asians like to live close to other East Asians despite income.
 
2014-04-10 03:06:29 PM  

mike_d85: Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.


Nobody says something to you in Harvard Square and starts it with "No Offense"

The screaming preacher usually just starts right in with the hellfire shiat.
 
2014-04-10 03:07:22 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Dear schlubmitter and author of TFA,

The Mason-Dixon line is irrelevant to Chicago, San Francisco, Minneapolis, and other cities far west of where the Civil War was fought. (Yes, the line predates the war.)

See?

[www.exploretheline.com image 850x533]


Not to mention the fact that if you stretched the line from the MD-WV border all the way to the Pacific, SF would be South of it.

// also, Mason (d. 1786) and Dixon (d. 1779) both died before the Constitution was ratified
 
Ral
2014-04-10 03:09:03 PM  
Just want to point out that gentrification as a whole doesn't target poor people.  It targets trashy people who don't know how to behave like civilized human beings and keep their property in good order.
 
2014-04-10 03:15:09 PM  

Infernalist: Smeggy Smurf: JerseyTim: But but but no institutionalized racism.

Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.

You're adorable.

Get back to me when you get stopped for Driving While White.


it happens all the time, don't fool yourself
 
2014-04-10 03:15:21 PM  

mike_d85: Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?


I can throw a baseball from 3/4 Harvard Square T stops into Harvard yard. At the fourth I would resort to hitting a Harvard student.
 
2014-04-10 03:16:53 PM  
Southern plantations were totally integrated because blacks and whites lived at the same address.
 
2014-04-10 03:17:31 PM  

mike_d85: Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?


no, I'm saying strangers do not speak to each other in that manner, and your entire first paragraph is completely made up.

Does that clear the air a bit?
 
2014-04-10 03:17:49 PM  

chitownmike: Infernalist: Smeggy Smurf: JerseyTim: But but but no institutionalized racism.

Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.

You're adorable.

Get back to me when you get stopped for Driving While White.

it happens all the time, don't fool yourself


Sure it does.
 
2014-04-10 03:19:42 PM  

buckler: In Portland, I live in what has traditionally been a black neighborhood, and still has a majority-black population. The neighborhood and surrounding areas are undergoing major gentrification, which is attracting more whites and people of other ethnic groups, and this has a lot of long-time residents worried. However, the gentrification is being coupled with renovation and construction of affordable and mixed-income housing, which has allowed lower-income black (and white) residents to stay in the neighborhood, and often the same address, if they wish.

Other low-income housing units are also being built or upgraded throughout the city, so those who wish to leave the neighborhood in favor of something else (say, being closer to downtown amenities) to do so. So people of all ethnic groups who formerly lived in areas you could call "segregated" or "self-segregated", are flowing into each others' neighborhoods at an increasing rate.

I'm wondering how many other northers cities are following the same or similar pattern.


I call bullshiat. Renovation and construction costs money. There is no point to throw money down the drain to fix something up you won't see a return on. Outside of non-profit organizations and churches doing so as part of a charity or community service effort, no one in their right mind would do what you suggest. What is actually taking place is probably more along the lines of crack-houses being bulldozed over with town-homes being built as pseudo-fortresses that are median-cost so that young professionals purchase those homes in an effort to revitalize the area so that hopefully it attracts families, which in turn will bring money into the area and allow for additional development. Those folks in that area who own their own area can either sell their property and move further out, or sit in their shanty, however, property taxes alone are likely to get to the point where they have no other choice but to move.

Houston for example is a prime-example. Up until maybe 10 years ago, the Heights was an incredibly bad place to be and now it is one of the nicest areas. You have folks purchasing and renovating small bungalows that aren't all that expensive, and older folks who have lived there all their lives. However, the true "low-income" folks that are the reason why that area went down the gutter get run out of town and forced to go further out of town to places like Acres Homes or across 45. This is the same story anywhere and everywhere.
 
2014-04-10 03:22:09 PM  

Dafatone: If you put effort into exposing who the  real racists are, it's you.


Nothing like a race thread to bring out the self-righteous derp....

I bet some of your best friends are black, too
 
2014-04-10 03:22:42 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: buckler: In Portland, I live in what has traditionally been a black neighborhood, and still has a majority-black population. The neighborhood and surrounding areas are undergoing major gentrification, which is attracting more whites and people of other ethnic groups, and this has a lot of long-time residents worried. However, the gentrification is being coupled with renovation and construction of affordable and mixed-income housing, which has allowed lower-income black (and white) residents to stay in the neighborhood, and often the same address, if they wish.

Other low-income housing units are also being built or upgraded throughout the city, so those who wish to leave the neighborhood in favor of something else (say, being closer to downtown amenities) to do so. So people of all ethnic groups who formerly lived in areas you could call "segregated" or "self-segregated", are flowing into each others' neighborhoods at an increasing rate.

I'm wondering how many other northers cities are following the same or similar pattern.

I call bullshiat. Renovation and construction costs money. There is no point to throw money down the drain to fix something up you won't see a return on. Outside of non-profit organizations and churches doing so as part of a charity or community service effort, no one in their right mind would do what you suggest. What is actually taking place is probably more along the lines of crack-houses being bulldozed over with town-homes being built as pseudo-fortresses that are median-cost so that young professionals purchase those homes in an effort to revitalize the area so that hopefully it attracts families, which in turn will bring money into the area and allow for additional development. Those folks in that area who own their own area can either sell their property and move further out, or sit in their shanty, however, property taxes alone are likely to get to the point where they have no other choice but to move.

Houston for example is a prime-e ...


yeah, if you're a short term thinker.

Long term thinkers know that ghettos are terrible for everyone, rich and poor.

Short term thinkers are mostly interested in their immediate profits.

Sadly, too many people are short term thinkers.
 
2014-04-10 03:24:08 PM  
In my area of Portland I was noticing the other day how the English and Spanish speaking kids did not mingle at all.
 
2014-04-10 03:25:45 PM  

Infernalist: chitownmike: Infernalist: Smeggy Smurf: JerseyTim: But but but no institutionalized racism.

Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.

You're adorable.

Get back to me when you get stopped for Driving While White.

it happens all the time, don't fool yourself

Sure it does.


Cops see a white guy driving through a minority neighborhood, they ask why
 
2014-04-10 03:28:19 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: buckler: In Portland, I live in what has traditionally been a black neighborhood, and still has a majority-black population. The neighborhood and surrounding areas are undergoing major gentrification, which is attracting more whites and people of other ethnic groups, and this has a lot of long-time residents worried. However, the gentrification is being coupled with renovation and construction of affordable and mixed-income housing, which has allowed lower-income black (and white) residents to stay in the neighborhood, and often the same address, if they wish.

Other low-income housing units are also being built or upgraded throughout the city, so those who wish to leave the neighborhood in favor of something else (say, being closer to downtown amenities) to do so. So people of all ethnic groups who formerly lived in areas you could call "segregated" or "self-segregated", are flowing into each others' neighborhoods at an increasing rate.

I'm wondering how many other northers cities are following the same or similar pattern.

I call bullshiat. Renovation and construction costs money. There is no point to throw money down the drain to fix something up you won't see a return on. Outside of non-profit organizations and churches doing so as part of a charity or community service effort, no one in their right mind would do what you suggest. What is actually taking place is probably more along the lines of crack-houses being bulldozed over with town-homes being built as pseudo-fortresses that are median-cost so that young professionals purchase those homes in an effort to revitalize the area so that hopefully it attracts families, which in turn will bring money into the area and allow for additional development. Those folks in that area who own their own area can either sell their property and move further out, or sit in their shanty, however, property taxes alone are likely to get to the point where they have no other choice but to move.

Houston for example is a prime-e ...


I'm about to run late for an appointment, otherwise I'd do a little digging for hard info; as it is, I can only speak anecdotally. Certainly revitalization is a consideration, and a prime goal for the Portland Development Commission, which is the organization through which much of the gentrification is being done. However, the city also wants to sharply curb homelessness, since that tends to put a strain on law enforcement, medical and social services. Getting people into stable, affordable housing and employment programs help relieve that strain, and is ultimately a money-saver in the long run. I also suspect there's a gigantic cultural divide (in fact, I know there is) between Portland and Houston.
 
2014-04-10 03:29:30 PM  

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?

no, I'm saying strangers do not speak to each other in that manner, and your entire first paragraph is completely made up.

Does that clear the air a bit?


So just to be clear...  I do not currently live in South Carolina with a black family across the street and totally hallucinated that year in Boston where people were worried that the family that owned the "Paki store" would move into the neighborhood.  Right.  Gotcha.

We were both sitting there for an hour or two chatting if that helps you cope.  I was waiting on a friend to get out of work and he was killing time for one reason or another.

satanorsanta: mike_d85: Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?

I can throw a baseball from 3/4 Harvard Square T stops into Harvard yard. At the fourth I would resort to hitting a Harvard student.


Yeah, but it's in the middle of a city.  You'd expect to see at least a handful of people that aren't pasty walking through the square.  I never saw black people who weren't working anywhere off the Orange line.
 
2014-04-10 03:30:53 PM  
No minorities in Harvard Square and more white people than you can shake a stick at? Bull. There are lots of International people/students all over the Square. Actually in the Pit (right outside the subway entrance) you have a lot of all races there. Harvard Square is hardly some type of Caucasian Utopia. Not that I care so much about the Square now. Everything that made the place interesting is gone. Now it's just one big open air mall of the most common retail stores.
 
2014-04-10 03:31:14 PM  

mike_d85: e were both sitting there for an hour or two chatting if that helps you cope. I was waiting on a friend to get out of work and he was killing time for one reason or another.


Actually that helps quite a bit, for what its worth.
 
2014-04-10 03:31:47 PM  
From the "What more am I supposed to do?" file:

"Educated liberals are tolerant people who are willing to live in racially integrated areas even if the minority neighbors are poor. Such liberals are more willing to vote for redistributionist policies and this may attract poor people to collect such transfers."
 
2014-04-10 03:33:05 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.



Sounds like you've had some professional or educational setbacks and you've decided to attribute them to the fact that you're not a minority.
 
2014-04-10 03:36:31 PM  

mike_d85: Yeah, but it's in the middle of a city.  You'd expect to see at least a handful of people that aren't pasty walking through the square.  I never saw black people who weren't working anywhere off the Orange line.


You know how I know you didn't get out much?
 
2014-04-10 03:42:19 PM  

fluffy2097: mike_d85: Yeah, but it's in the middle of a city.  You'd expect to see at least a handful of people that aren't pasty walking through the square.  I never saw black people who weren't working anywhere off the Orange line.

You know how I know you didn't get out much?


Because I'm on Fark and that is on the list of assumptions.  I'm not saying it's not true.

It doesn't explain the Jew-Joke competition in Southie that I witnessed, though.
 
2014-04-10 03:42:30 PM  
I am reminded of a saying:

"In the South, they don't care how close black folks get, as long as they don't get too high.

In the North, they don't care how high black folks get, as long as they don't get too close."

/james w johnson was writing about this back in the early 20th century. It's not a new feature.
 
2014-04-10 03:44:05 PM  

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: e were both sitting there for an hour or two chatting if that helps you cope. I was waiting on a friend to get out of work and he was killing time for one reason or another.

Actually that helps quite a bit, for what its worth.


OK.
 
2014-04-10 03:45:45 PM  

mike_d85: It doesn't explain the Jew-Joke competition in Southie that I witnessed, though.


Based on what I know about Boston, there was probably at least one Jew involved.

// though, Southie, so maybe not?
 
2014-04-10 03:51:47 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Dear schlubmitter and author of TFA,

The Mason-Dixon line is irrelevant to Chicago, San Francisco, Minneapolis, and other cities far west of where the Civil War was fought. (Yes, the line predates the war.)

See?

[www.exploretheline.com image 850x533]


Chicago (lat: 44.8819) is still north of ('above') the Mason-Dixon line (39.7167), as is Minneapolis (44.983). San Fran, not so much (37.783).

(So is Canada.)

Anyway, didn't we just do this like last week or so? Oh, wait: that was most racially-segregated schools. Which I believe was explained away by the fact that the cities are racially segregated, so yeah.
 
2014-04-10 03:52:40 PM  

Truther: Racism.

That must be why.

There is no other possible reason.


If you analyze these statistics with regard to race, you're going to find racial disparity. The trouble is there's no real benefit to looking at the numbers this way. Poor black people act the same as poor white people. It sucks just as much to be poor no matter what you look like.

What are we seriously going to do about it? Hire more black people? Admit more black people to state college? Mandate a black minimum wage? What result is special treatment going to have? Fewer poor black people? Does it really matter if poor people are black or white?
 
2014-04-10 03:54:09 PM  
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2014-04-10 03:55:59 PM  
wow, this totally changes the historical context of the american civil war!
 
2014-04-10 04:02:04 PM  
Eh. I don't mind a little dig on libbies but we live in a smaller city in northern Indiana of around 50,000 and even though it's probably 80-85% white and has had a republican mayor for years and years, everyone gets along well. We live in a subdivision outside of the main part of town, it's almost more rural than suburban and while the residents are probably 90-95% white, nobody pays much mind when a black family moves in and many of them are mixed couples.

There is an interracial couple in a house down the street from us and even though they could keep their property up better, they're very friendly and get along well with everyone. The husband is the only black guy living on the street and he told me he's never felt uncomfortable here.

I personally could care less what you look like as long as you don't cause any trouble. There aren't a whole of shenanigans in our area and when they do happen, 99% of the time it's some white punk teenager.
 
2014-04-10 04:04:27 PM  
Nobody likes white people.
 
2014-04-10 04:04:43 PM  
When I lived in Nashville, having moved there from the North, I was told repeatedly "Theah are two types of Yankees.  Regulah Yankees, they live up Nawth.  But Damn Yankees, they live right heah!"  as they looked me in the eye.

I moved back within the year.
 
2014-04-10 04:08:05 PM  
Although there are still plenty of racists, and plenty of assholes giving people reasons to be racist today, racism is in sharp decline generally and only going to further disappear. In its place, classism, political partisanship, and religious bigotry have been sharply on the rise again, and the internet has enabled insular microcommunities to thrive without having to move into a compound in the mountains. People will always find a way to separate and feel superior to others, it's kind of the human condition. I'm sure not immune to it.
 
2014-04-10 04:14:28 PM  

hoyt clagwell: When I lived in Nashville, having moved there from the North, I was told repeatedly "Theah are two types of Yankees.  Regulah Yankees, they live up Nawth.  But Damn Yankees, they live right heah!"  as they looked me in the eye.

I moved back within the year.


That is how you tell the difference. Yankees visit, DamnYankees stay.

Not sure if it is true, but I worked with a guy from Long Island for a number of years and he told me that people back home were the most prejudiced people he'd ever been around. One thing is true - if you grow up with other races at the same basic economic level you learn that people are people, good and bad in all of them.
 
2014-04-10 04:17:55 PM  

Infernalist: yeah, if you're a short term thinker.

Long term thinkers know that ghettos are terrible for everyone, rich and poor.

Short term thinkers are mostly interested in their immediate profits.

Sadly, too many people are short term thinkers.


That is because people have to do things like eat. You can't run a business with long-term strategies unless you have the capital to pull it off. That kind of money is scarce for folks, and you can't run an effective business by having only long-term strategies. How many developers out there are willing to go put in a neighborhood and go "hey that's cool, you don't have to pay me for 20 years." You can't do that. Which is my point that it HAS to come from the uber-wealthy as a side-project, a non-profit organization, or act of charity. Typically we call those "projects". You also have master-planned communities such as here locally, the Woodlands or Kingwood. These areas started off basically as whole communities in the middle of nowhere and have flourished. That is a big gamble, but one that has had consistent short-term pay-off, along with overwhelming long-term profits.

In the example of Portland revitalization, I was correct in my assessment that it was through a city commission, and not through the private sector. To many folks this seems bad that low-income families have to relocate as money and development push them out, however that is just how the world works. With that said, the point of discussion becomes do we push the problems away only to make them worse, or try to deal with them, which creates an enormous strain up front, but hopefully rectifies the situation in the long-run? That is a very difficult choice to make and there is no real right answer. Portland chooses the latter, where Houston more-or-less chooses the first.
 
2014-04-10 04:20:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee


Chicago (lat: 44.8819) is still north of ('above') the Mason-Dixon line (39.7167), as is Minneapolis (44.983). San Fran, not so much (37.783).

(So is Canada.)


*facepalm*

The point - which you well and truly missed - was that the Mason-Dixon line stops at the western end of Pennsylvania. It is not a line of latitude unto itself, going across the entire country. The cities I mentioned are not geographically related to the line in any way, except that they are west of it as they are west of Baltimore or NYC or the Atlantic Ocean.
 
2014-04-10 04:20:34 PM  

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Really?!  Fark you.  Some of us work in places where IE8 is the only option.  Maybe you should not simply exclude people because you're too lazy to make a site that's friendly for everyone.


You're going to see an increase in browser disparity now that XP is not getting any more security updates.

farking Microsoft is gentrifying the OS community without caring about the security impact on companies unwilling to invest in new capital.

Microsoft hates poor people!

* or stingy boards of directors.
 
2014-04-10 04:20:39 PM  
I'm gonna guess it's largely due to high cost of living, and some cultures statistically not valuing fiscal responsibility, savings and education as much as others. Some of said cultures are far more prominently some races over others.
 
2014-04-10 04:22:48 PM  

IHadMeAVision: Up north even the white rich neighborhoods are segregated.  You got the Irish-Catholic neighborhood, the Jewish neighborhood, the Russian and/or Persian Jewish neighborhood, the old money WASP neighborhood, the new-money WASP neighborhood, etc.


To an extent, people tend to self-segregate, choosing to live aroun others who share similar culture and values. There have always been ethnic neighborhoods and always will be as long as people choose to associate largely with others like themselves.
 
2014-04-10 04:22:50 PM  

chitownmike: Cops see a white guy driving through a minority neighborhood, they ask why


Yeah, if a white guy or someone in a really nice car is rolling around in Austin or West Garfield Park well off the expressway and a cop sees it, it wouldn't be unusual to get pulled over or be followed. They assume you're there buying drugs.
 
2014-04-10 04:25:11 PM  

Geoff Peterson: If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?


This is probably accurate.  From the farking article:

According to 2005-2009 data based on the U.S. Census American Community Survey, which was provided to me by John Logan, a demographer at Brown University, the San Francisco-San Mateo-Redwood City metropolitan area has an astonishing $56,000 white-black gap in household median income.

Another term for the "San Francisco-San Mateo-Redwood City metropolitan area" is Silicon Valley.  Computer engineering is known to have a very small number of African Americans and Latinos working in it (but a large number of whites, Indians (dot not feather), and Asians).
 
2014-04-10 04:25:22 PM  

Superjew: Defensive Much, Southern US?



Actually, most of this thread sounds like defensive Northerners.
 
2014-04-10 04:26:16 PM  

Infernalist: learn2fly: Anyone ever been to Tulsa?

Lived there for a few years.  Horrible horrible place to live.  All the negatives of living in the south combined with horrible Northern winters.

Oh and tornadoes all the goddamned time.  Worst place I've 'ever' lived, bar none.


Good friend of mine and his wife are from there. He always says Oklahoma in general is a great place to be *from*.
 
2014-04-10 04:31:39 PM  

Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?

no, I'm saying strangers do not speak to each other in that manner, and your entire first paragraph is completely made up.

Does that clear the air a bit?


for some reason... I often find myself in random conversations with random strangers of all stripes in all types of locations for various reasons. and the notion that random black guy struck up that random conversation with a random white guy in harvard square comes as absolutly no shock to me, and quite frankly, the conversation probably would've gone along a quite simular route.

And I'm from Richmond Virginia.. and look like a cross between a hillbilly and a viking

I guess, to have such life experiences, you gotta presnt yourself as someone that is approachable, jovial, maybe a little wierd in a fun way, but not anxious, paranoid or judgemental to the world around you.
 
2014-04-10 04:33:00 PM  

give me doughnuts: Superjew: Defensive Much, Southern US?


Actually, most of this thread sounds like defensive Northerners.


A counter part for my point about Silicon Valley above is that, in much of the south, both the whites and the blacks are, on average, pretty poor and uneducated, so the difference between the two is less.
 
2014-04-10 04:33:08 PM  

Infernalist: Smeggy Smurf: JerseyTim: But but but no institutionalized racism.

Other than affirmative action and hiring quotas that assume that just because you're not white you're unable to compete.  Nothing like institutionalized racism under the guise of "helping".  Nothing like knowing that because you're white you're just so damned good that somebody needs to hold you back so "those people" can get out from under your boot.

You're adorable.

Get back to me when you get stopped for Driving While White.


What does that have to do with affirmative action? You don't fight racism with more racism, all that does is escalate things.

Affirmative action is exactly that, institutionalized racial discrimination.

Want to help solve the blacks being suspicious thing? Work on "black culture". It's got nothing to do with race, it's the ghetto thug culture rife with crime, which sadly is disproportionately though certainly not exclusively black.
 
2014-04-10 04:33:15 PM  
Not news. New England is fairly liberal and uber-white.
 
2014-04-10 04:36:16 PM  

People_are_Idiots: Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.

That is complete bullshiat, but whatever.

If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?

Ah, but for a counterpoint, most of your "low-income" people are primarily black or latino. Are you saying black and latino people are uneducated?

/it's truth, go by the nearest trailer park.


Well, highschool dropout rates are far higher amongst blacks and Latinos, so statistically, yeah. It's not their race though, they aren't genetically predisposed to fail and drop out of school. It's the culture and environment so many are brought up in.
 
2014-04-10 04:38:29 PM  

GQueue: chitownmike: Cops see a white guy driving through a minority neighborhood, they ask why

Yeah, if a white guy or someone in a really nice car is rolling around in Austin or West Garfield Park well off the expressway and a cop sees it, it wouldn't be unusual to get pulled over or be followed. They assume you're there buying drugs.


With a few exceptions, anywhere on the south or west sides
 
2014-04-10 04:41:14 PM  

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Really?!  Fark you.  Some of us work in places where IE8 is the only option.  Maybe you should not simply exclude people because you're too lazy to make a site that's friendly for everyone.


Do we have to make our sites work with Netscape 2 also? What about Lynx?
 
2014-04-10 04:42:53 PM  

Dafatone: If you put effort into exposing who the  real racists are, it's you.


So the National Urban League's State of Black America report is racist?
 
2014-04-10 04:45:38 PM  
FTFA:

"Educated liberals are tolerant people who are willing to live in racially integrated areas even if the minority neighbors are poor. Such liberals are more willing to vote for redistributionist policies and this may attract poor people to collect such transfers."



If those "redistribution policies" really worked would there not be less income inequality?
 
2014-04-10 04:45:39 PM  

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Really?!  Fark you.  Some of us work in places where IE8 is the only option.  Maybe you should not simply exclude people because you're too lazy to make a site that's friendly for everyone.

You're going to see an increase in browser disparity now that XP is not getting any more security updates.

farking Microsoft is gentrifying the OS community without caring about the security impact on companies unwilling to invest in new capital.

Microsoft hates poor people!

* or stingy boards of directors.


Those companies could install Firefox and be done with it. My netbook is running the latest version of Firefox on XP. The only thing I've used IE for in the past decade has been downloading another browser.
 
2014-04-10 04:50:59 PM  

vpb: Because a lot of them moved from the South to get away from racism and also because cities in the North have more low income housing?


I guess when reality gives you lemons...
 
2014-04-10 04:51:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: This just in - cities have high income inequality.

More on this breaking story at 11.


Are you assuming black people are poor?  Racist.
 
2014-04-10 04:53:04 PM  
DRTFA, but I noticed this quite a bit when I took a roadtrip down south last summer. Even small cities like Dyersburg, TN are far more integrated than most Chicago suburbs.

It's strange that the derpiest politicians, who want to turn the clock at least back to Jim Crow, are in the states where the cities are most integrated.
 
2014-04-10 05:24:17 PM  
After living in the South for 15 years and New England for 3, I've come to the following conclusions:

-- Southerners are more vocal about their racism (They'll yell "damn n****** in a public location), but not as physically hostile.
-- New Englands are more physically hostile, but quietly mutter racist statements under their breath when in public.

/Have had weapons pointed at me just for being white in the wrong neighborhood. It was in New England, NOT the South.
 
2014-04-10 05:36:41 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: ArcadianRefugee

Chicago (lat: 44.8819) is still north of ('above') the Mason-Dixon line (39.7167), as is Minneapolis (44.983). San Fran, not so much (37.783).

(So is Canada.)


*facepalm*

The point - which you well and truly missed - was that the Mason-Dixon line stops at the western end of Pennsylvania. It is not a line of latitude unto itself, going across the entire country. The cities I mentioned are not geographically related to the line in any way, except that they are west of it as they are west of Baltimore or NYC or the Atlantic Ocean.


People long ago stopped thinking of the Mason-Dixon line as "the line two surveyors marked to show the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland."  Instead, it means the line between North and South (and Maryland is generally thought of as on the north side of it, funnily enough).

Are you this hopelessly literal about everything?  When a news report says "Today, the White House declared X" do you immediately point out to your companions that the White House is a building, incapable of speech?
 
2014-04-10 05:43:10 PM  
There us nowhere in the city if Milwaukee that I would want to live, but I did grow up in Whitefolks Bay so it may cloud my assessment. /Currently live in Stallis, really do not want my daughter to grow up here either, but it is better than Milwaukee and not nearly as full of shiat as WFB.
 
2014-04-10 05:58:11 PM  

Komplex: Redlining. The answer is redlining.

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were such farking racist morons, they could put together a nice argument based on the Post-War Government expansion exacerbated the decline of our major cities. The FHA, Housing Projects, Cross-Bronx Expressway, etc... were all government programs that drove segregation, increased income inequality and slaughtered the tax base of our cities.


Did you, by chance, mean the exact opposite of what you wrote?
 
2014-04-10 06:02:12 PM  

mike_d85: Geoff Peterson: mike_d85: I've been saying this for years.  In the deep south (where everyone is assumes we arrange firewood in cross shapes just in case), you can have a black family in a white neighborhood and no one bats an eye.  You get a stray black person in a northern city and the whole neighborhood is at least talking about it.  And I've heard tale of violence, but that's heresay.

Great exchange between myself (white) and a random black man in Harvard Square:
He: No offense, but this is the most white people I've ever seen in my life.
*pause*
Me: Me too.
He: Where are you from.
Me: South Carolina.
He: Oh, so you're practically black.

That is complete bullshiat, but whatever.

If you're curious, the disparity has nothing to do with color and everything to do with education. Uneducated people do not make as much as educated people. Uneducated people median out regardless of color. One dropout makes the same as any other.

You can figure out the rest, cantcha?

Are you under the impression that Harvard Square is IN Harvard?


Oh, THAT's what whathe wrote made absolutely no sense at all. I thought I was sleep deprived.

*checks bags under eyes*

Ope, yeah, I'm sleep deprived, too.
 
2014-04-10 06:10:46 PM  

vpb: Because a lot of them moved from the South to get away from racism and also because cities in the North have more low income housing?


Nice try. A lot of Northerners are moving to the South because that's where the industries are moving.
 
2014-04-10 06:12:42 PM  
This thread reminds me of a quote from Malcolm X:

"The North's liberals have been so long pointing accusing fingers at the South and getting away with it that they have fits when they are exposed as the world's worst hypocrites."

And it was MLK who said that the Cicero neighborhood in CHicago was the most racist place he had been in America.
 
2014-04-10 06:15:26 PM  
Ah, found that Martin Luther King Jr. quote about Chicago:

"I have seen many demonstrations in the South, but I have never seen anything so hostile and so hateful as I've seen here today,"
 
2014-04-10 06:16:40 PM  

CruJones: What do you expect?  In a place like Mississippi where the population is basically half and half, everything is integrated.


That's what I've tried to say for years but liberals are deaf to it. I live in Memphis, TN which is mostly black and I also live within a few hours of the Mississippi Delta region which is majority blacks. Around here, though racism does exist on both sides, we have had centuries of experience living together. By and large, we all get along pretty well. I've also lived in Detroit, and southeast Michigan is 100x as racist as anything I've ever seen down here.
 
2014-04-10 06:23:41 PM  

TerminalEchoes: CruJones: What do you expect?  In a place like Mississippi where the population is basically half and half, everything is integrated.

That's what I've tried to say for years but liberals are deaf to it. I live in Memphis, TN which is mostly black and I also live within a few hours of the Mississippi Delta region which is majority blacks. Around here, though racism does exist on both sides, we have had centuries of experience living together. By and large, we all get along pretty well. I've also lived in Detroit, and southeast Michigan is 100x as racist as anything I've ever seen down here.


I would second that. I grew up in Madison, WI, which is a very liberal city and also very racist and segregated.


I also used to live in Memphis and it was far less segregated than anywhere I lived up north.
 
2014-04-10 06:52:54 PM  
Cops see a white guy driving through a minority neighborhood, they ask why

Hookers and Blow
 
2014-04-10 06:55:01 PM  
 
2014-04-10 08:06:10 PM  

BullBearMS: In 1976 the courts forced Boston schools to integrate. A full 20 years after the Little Rock nine.

Guess what happened.


Racism is everywhere. It doesn't matter if you're in BFE Tennessee, or San Fran, CA.  However, the South gets made fun of because, usually, the "Northern" states aren't the ones bringing legislation to the board trying to enshrine discriminatory and racist policies and laws into the codes of various state and federal laws, and because their political base tends to blame their problems with crime and poverty on imaginary racial boogymen rather than taking an honest look at their problems and history.
 
2014-04-10 08:08:29 PM  

TerminalEchoes: That's what I've tried to say for years but liberals are deaf to it. I live in Memphis, TN which is mostly black and I also live within a few hours of the Mississippi Delta region which is majority blacks. Around here, though racism does exist on both sides, we have had centuries of experience living together. By and large, we all get along pretty well. I've also lived in Detroit, and southeast Michigan is 100x as racist as anything I've ever seen down here.


Drive an hour, either way, outside of Memphis. You'll see a stark difference. Although I have been FTO to a guy who called Mayor Wharton a N*gger to his face in the Starbucks on Union.

One of the PT jobs I work is an hour away in Arkansas. (It's rural, and I love rural work) On my second shift, my EMT-Basic decided to ask me how I felt about the Klan and started cracking racial jokes about N*ggers.
 
2014-04-10 08:25:33 PM  
This may be true, but have you seen their tumblr profile or who they follow on twitter? They're huge fans of diversity and tolerance, just not where it could affect them.
It's just classic NIMBYism, or "I got mine so fark you"

Like this post if you're against Kony
 
2014-04-10 08:28:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: usually, the "Northern" states aren't the ones bringing legislation to the board trying to enshrine discriminatory and racist policies


No. They are the ones having race riots and beating black people with the American flag because the courts forced them to finally integrate their schools a full 20 years after the south did.
 
2014-04-10 08:39:26 PM  

BullBearMS: No. They are the ones having race riots and beating black people with the American flag because the courts forced them to finally integrate their schools a full 20 years after the south did.


Wow. I think I found a textbook example of Cognitive Dissonance.

Beating black people with a flag a full 20 years after the decision to integrate the Little Rock Schools is shameful. Going out "N*gger hunting" and running down an elderly black man because you want to kill one of the darkies in 2012 Jackson Mississippi is pretty horrible too.

But no, you're right. The South doesn't have a problem with racist groups and belief at all. It's just those damned Yankees making fun of us.
 
2014-04-10 08:46:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: No. They are the ones having race riots and beating black people with the American flag because the courts forced them to finally integrate their schools a full 20 years after the south did.

Wow. I think I found a textbook example of Cognitive Dissonance.

Beating black people with a flag a full 20 years after the decision to integrate the Little Rock Schools is shameful. Going out "N*gger hunting" and running down an elderly black man because you want to kill one of the darkies in 2012 Jackson Mississippi is pretty horrible too.

But no, you're right. The South doesn't have a problem with racist groups and belief at all. It's just those damned Yankees making fun of us.


I'm sorry. Did I say any region of the US was immune from racism?

No?

You're just making your usual nonsensical statements again?

Yup.
 
2014-04-10 08:48:41 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I currently live in St. Louis and I can say for a fact that it is by far the most segregated town I've ever lived in.


African-Americans living in a fairly liberal city while white people live out in the very conservative suburbs.

But it's liberals who are the real racists.

/Delmar is quite the phenomenon
 
2014-04-10 09:36:06 PM  

BullBearMS: You're just making your usual nonsensical statements again?

Yup.


No. I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.

I get that you live in Mississippi. Sorry that people associate you with racism because of that.
 
2014-04-10 09:51:02 PM  
yeah, when you have slaves and masters living together under one plantation - it doesn't get more chummy than that, huh?

Checkmate, libtardos!
 
2014-04-10 10:30:53 PM  

natas6.0: people with similar traits tend to cluster together
story at 11


Came for this.

I could swear that I've read stories before about how most of segregation is self segregation.
 
2014-04-10 10:40:59 PM  

hardinparamedic: I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.


Yea. Racism isn't suddenly OK because it happens in Boston, asshole.
 
2014-04-10 10:41:12 PM  

James10952001: Well, highschool dropout rates are far higher amongst blacks and Latinos, so statistically, yeah. It's not their race though, they aren't genetically predisposed to fail and drop out of school. It's the culture and environment so many are brought up in.


Oh I agree, just like that Offspring song from Crazy Taxi, Way down the line. Look it up. :)
 
2014-04-10 10:51:08 PM  
In the north there is a more recent history of keeping low income black people in their own neighborhoods.

However in the south going back to Jefferson and still continuing with Strom Thurmond, where black men could be lynched for forgetting their place up until the mid 60's while banging their light skinned help.

For the of the physical segregation the north practiced, the south had a well-established system of social segregation going back at least two hundred years.

Physical lines are not everything.  Both sides can be bad too.
 
2014-04-10 10:52:07 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: In the example of Portland revitalization, I was correct in my assessment that it was through a city commission, and not through the private sector.


Except that it was an incorrect answer.  The PDC plays a part in development around Portland, but the city's zoning rules also include incentives to build low income and market rate housing through various things like FAR (floor area ratio) and height limit bonus as well as reducing parking requirements if developers meet certain social and environmentally minded goals.

The city encourages building mixed income neighborhoods with carrots.  Most of the time they basically allow for more units meaning more money for the developer, or they get parking requirements reduced/waived which saves the developer starting at about $40,000 per parking spot in extra costs, or in some cases waive system development fees if the building will either bring people of mixed incomes spread throughout neighborhoods and/or includes environmentally friendly features.  Low/market rate housing, LEED certification, bike parking, recycling grey water, putting in bioswales or other things that reduce demand on the city's water system, building near high frequency transit and more can help a developer make more money with the thinking that it helps make for a better city.

The Pearl District here is a great example of how all of those incentives (along with city-sponsored infrastructure) can create a vibrant healthy neighborhood that has a large number of lower-income residents.  The average income is $32,000 while the city has an average of $50,000, yet it has the reputation of being a posh playground for the well to do.  About 1/4 of the housing qualifies for low income subsidies, yet it's also one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the state if you want to buy a condo there.

There are numerous other neighborhoods around Portland experiencing the same dynamic of mixing lower income people with higher income people, as well as attracting the elderly, families and young singles to the same neighborhoods as well.

The biggest problem with this solution is the farther out neighborhoods in East Portland aren't as desirable, so it's really tough to encourage developers to build in lots of those areas.  It's not to say the solutions here are perfect, but private developers definitely play a part simply by the city demanding it in exchange for benefits you're not required to accept.
 
2014-04-10 11:03:44 PM  

BullBearMS: hardinparamedic: I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.

Yea. Racism isn't suddenly OK because it happens in Boston, asshole.


Then why the deflection there, my fine libertarian friend?

Why bring up something 36 years ago, and then get pissy when an event that happened in your own state two years ago is brought up?

You're right. Racism isn't okay. I never said it was. What you replied to was a statement that the south currently leads the way in institutionalizing racism through codifying it in such things as voter ID laws and "drug testing" laws for benefits.

Race riots in Boston 36 years ago have nothing to do with that. At best, it's a non-sequitur.
 
2014-04-10 11:19:44 PM  

hardinparamedic: Race riots in Boston 36 years ago have nothing to do with that. At best, it's a non-sequitur.


You just can't stop defending this can you?

Enemabag Jones: Physical lines are not everything. Both sides can be bad too.


Some assholes just have to go on and on about how it only counts sometimes.
 
2014-04-10 11:47:54 PM  
BullBearMS
Some assholes just have to go on and on about how it only counts sometimes.

I am missing your point here. Why am I an asshole? Because I said sometimes. Because I am not anti-north enough? Because I am not supporting the south enough?

What kind of asshole am I?
 
2014-04-11 12:03:51 AM  

Enemabag Jones: BullBearMS
Some assholes just have to go on and on about how it only counts sometimes.

I am missing your point here. Why am I an asshole? Because I said sometimes. Because I am not anti-north enough? Because I am not supporting the south enough?

What kind of asshole am I?


I was agreeing with your point that it's bad no matter where it happens.

The asshole is the guy whining about pointing this out.

hardinparamedic: I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.


That guy.
 
2014-04-11 12:07:34 AM  
BullBearMS,
I was agreeing with your point that it's bad no matter where it happens.
The asshole is the guy whining about pointing this out.


I confuse easy, my apologies.

I am still an asshole anyway.
 
2014-04-11 12:15:05 AM  

BullBearMS: You just can't stop defending this can you?


Oh, this is grand. What am I defending,  BullBearMS?

Are you honestly going to say I'm defending racism against blacks in the North? Or how I "said it only counts some of the time"?

Please quote where I have said either. Because unless you're putting words in my mouth (which is pretty par for the course with you), I didn't.

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YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE NORTH DID 36 YEARS AGO ALL YOU WANT. THAT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE FACT THAT THE SOUTHERN STATES ARE THE ONES TARGETED BY NEOCONSERVATIVE PACs AND THINK TANKS IN THE CURRENT DAY TO ATTEMPT TO CODIFY RACIST AND DISCRIMINATORY POLICIES INTO LAW.
 
2014-04-11 12:17:05 AM  

Enemabag Jones: I confuse easy, my apologies.

I am still an asshole anyway.


He's pissy that I called him out over the same BS he does every time the South comes up in conversation. Despite the fact he lives less than a hundred miles south of me. And in one of the most poor and racially disparate areas of the United States - the Mississippi Delta.
 
2014-04-11 12:23:39 AM  
Internet pissing contest aside: WHAT THE HELL? Everyone on the site is a TFer.
 
2014-04-11 12:27:19 AM  

hardinparamedic: Are you honestly going to say I'm defending racism against blacks in the North? Or how I "said it only counts some of the time"?


hardinparamedic: No. I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.


If the shoe fits, asshole.
 
2014-04-11 12:33:21 AM  

hardinparamedic: He's pissy that I called him out over the same BS he does every time the South comes up in conversation.


www.acc.umu.se

Perhaps you should just go back to one of your spittle flecked personal attacks that suddenly disappear from the thread just about the time that you just so happen to stop posting for a couple of days?
 
2014-04-11 12:57:41 AM  

BullBearMS: If the shoe fits, asshole


So because I point out that legislators in the North don't have the same habit as is  actively and currently ongoing in the South of legislating against minorities,  I'm now a racist who supports beating African Americans to death in Boston because it's not in the South?

Did you stop taking your medication? Or are you that idiotic?

BullBearMS: Perhaps you should just go back to one of your spittle flecked personal attacks that suddenly disappear from the thread just about the time that you just so happen to stop posting for a couple of days?


Well, at least you admit that you go crying to the mods every time your hypocrisy is outed, Mister FARK Libertarian. You should stick to threadjacking to talk about the evils of the NSA. At least then you have a point.

Did you even have a point, besides whining that someone was talking bad about the South, there?
 
2014-04-11 01:02:43 AM  

hardinparamedic: TerminalEchoes: That's what I've tried to say for years but liberals are deaf to it. I live in Memphis, TN which is mostly black and I also live within a few hours of the Mississippi Delta region which is majority blacks. Around here, though racism does exist on both sides, we have had centuries of experience living together. By and large, we all get along pretty well. I've also lived in Detroit, and southeast Michigan is 100x as racist as anything I've ever seen down here.

Drive an hour, either way, outside of Memphis. You'll see a stark difference. Although I have been FTO to a guy who called Mayor Wharton a N*gger to his face in the Starbucks on Union.

One of the PT jobs I work is an hour away in Arkansas. (It's rural, and I love rural work) On my second shift, my EMT-Basic decided to ask me how I felt about the Klan and started cracking racial jokes about N*ggers.


You are describing rural areas throughout the country. My 3rd grade teacher in a small town in Wisconsin taught the kids that black people didn't have jobs and threw trash all over their yards.

When I lived in Pennsylvania the rural areas were a hotbed of Klan activity. Indiana is also a big Klan state.
 
2014-04-11 01:07:18 AM  

wesmon: When I lived in Pennsylvania the rural areas were a hotbed of Klan activity. Indiana is also a big Klan state.


I'll be honest. Growing up in Middle Tennessee/Alabama/Mississippi corner, I always thought this was a relatively local phenomenon. I mean, there were a  lot of people who actively sympathized with the Klan who didn't openly support them, and there are even towns (Collinwood, Waverly/New Johnsonville, and Pulaski) where they openly march and show their colors (heh.), but I never realized until I got older how many of the Klan-derived and NeoNazi groups existed all across the United States.

The insidious thing is that many of these people are now intimately linked with the patriot/militia movement in the United States, and not only share racist and political views with the far right, but also the fact that they have hijacked evangelical Christianity through the Dominionist movement.
 
2014-04-11 01:12:06 AM  

hardinparamedic: Mister FARK Libertarian


Awww... You know that's a bald faced lie.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

hardinparamedic: You should stick to threadjacking to talk about the evils of the NSA


Awww... It's perfectly OK for Obama to betray his oath to defend and protect the Constitution and spy on everyone.

Any other things that are only wrong sometimes?
 
2014-04-11 01:16:54 AM  

BullBearMS: Awww... You know that's a bald faced lie.


That's nice that you have that saved, it still doesn't disprove my statement.

If you're not a libertarian - then I'm all ears. Please explain your  libertarian-like political beliefs.

BullBearMS: Awww... It's perfectly OK for Obama to betray his oath to defend and protect the Constitution and spy on everyone.

Any other things that are only wrong sometimes?


You didn't even bother to read what I typed. You saw NSA and went for it. It's like throwing bacon to a hungry dog.

hardinparamedic: You should stick to threadjacking to talk about the evils of the NSA. At least then you have a point.


Huh. It's almost as if even when someone agrees with you, you still attack them for no other reason than they disagreed with you over something.
 
2014-04-11 01:23:54 AM  

hardinparamedic: Please explain your libertarian-like political beliefs.


Wait, so I haven't said I'd get behind the Democrats if they ran a Warren/Wyden ticket? Repeatedly?

I didn't endorse the Green candidate, Dr. Stein in the last election cycle?

Ah, yes. The problem is that you are a butthurt Democratic party shill and you get the screaming ass agony when people point out that Obama is continuing and expanding the Bush agenda.

So sorry, but real liberals won't suddenly defend beating a black man with the American flag because it happened in Boston and we won't defend Obama betraying his oath to the Constitution because there is a D behind his name.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-04-11 01:25:30 AM  

BullBearMS: Any other things that are only wrong sometimes?


So. Just to recap.

Because I disagree with you - and maybe you didn't intend this to be the position you posed with that post (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) - minimizing active and ongoing racism in the Southern United States, which has it's roots in the neoconfederate/neoconservative movement by pointing out an event that happened in Boston  36 years ago, doesn't really disprove my statement - I'm now a racist who says it's "okay sometimes" for white racists to beat African American students (And this is the punch line:) as long as  it happens up north. Really?

BullBearMS:
If the shoe fits, asshole.

This is actually what you're saying?
 
2014-04-11 01:26:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: wesmon: When I lived in Pennsylvania the rural areas were a hotbed of Klan activity. Indiana is also a big Klan state.

I'll be honest. Growing up in Middle Tennessee/Alabama/Mississippi corner, I always thought this was a relatively local phenomenon. I mean, there were a  lot of people who actively sympathized with the Klan who didn't openly support them, and there are even towns (Collinwood, Waverly/New Johnsonville, and Pulaski) where they openly march and show their colors (heh.), but I never realized until I got older how many of the Klan-derived and NeoNazi groups existed all across the United States.

The insidious thing is that many of these people are now intimately linked with the patriot/militia movement in the United States, and not only share racist and political views with the far right, but also the fact that they have hijacked evangelical Christianity through the Dominionist movement.


While there are Klan groups throughout the country, I don't think they have a very large membership even in their more active areas. I don't doubt that many in the patriot/militia movements share many of the same beliefs as Klan members but I don't know that there is any organized infiltration of those groups by the Klan. The KKK is pretty marginalized and unorganized.
 
2014-04-11 01:27:34 AM  

BullBearMS: The problem is that you are a butthurt Democratic party shill and you get the screaming ass agony when people point out that Obama is continuing and expanding the Bush agenda.


Dude, you outright called me a closet racist for calling you out over what seemed to be minimizing efforts in the Southern states to disenfranchise and discourage minorities from participating in Government and basic rights.

BullBearMS: So sorry, but real liberals won't suddenly defend beating a black man with the American flag because it happened in Boston and we won't defend Obama betraying his oath to the Constitution because there is a D behind his name.


When have I done that?

Honestly. Quote where I tried to defend or justify it.

Seriously. Quote the post where I did that.
 
2014-04-11 01:32:01 AM  

wesmon: I don't doubt that many in the patriot/militia movements share many of the same beliefs as Klan members but I don't know that there is any organized infiltration of those groups by the Klan. The KKK is pretty marginalized and unorganized.


They still hold a yearly rally and march in the town of Pulaski, where it was founded.

It's a very surreal thing to see. There's still signs down Route 43 in private yards that say "N*ggers be out after dark" when you get south of Florence.
 
2014-04-11 01:40:08 AM  

hardinparamedic: you outright called me a closet racist for calling you out over what seemed to be minimizing efforts in the Southern states to disenfranchise and discourage minorities from participating in Government and basic rights.


Where did I once attempt to minimize racism? In this thread or any other?

Pointing out egregious examples of racism is not defending racism, you spittle flecked loony.

You're the one going on about how horrible it is to point out that it's also bad when it happens up north.
 
2014-04-11 01:52:47 AM  

BullBearMS: Where did I once attempt to minimize racism? In this thread or any other?


Well, let's start with every one of your posts in this thread. A thread that was basically about an article which tried to deflect blame for institutionalized racism to the northern cities when the south has an ongoing and active legislative attempt to sneak religious and non-religious bigotry into their state laws and constitutions, suppress voters through dubious photo ID laws, and support racial-based stop and frisk policies that would make New York seem innocent in comparison.

I called you out over it. As usual, you decided to go into rabid attack dog mode, and instead of pointing out that wasn't your intention (if it wasn't, anyway), went on the personal attack. And then, to top it all off, you  didn't even read what I posted, and got baited into ranting about the NSA to someone who actually agreed with you.

BullBearMS: Pointing out egregious examples of racism is not defending racism, you spittle flecked loony


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I called you out over what appeared to be an attempt at deflection. You went full retard and decided to accuse me of being a racist who gets his rocks off seeing African Americans beaten.

BullBearMS: You're the one going on about how horrible it is to point out that it's also bad when it happens up north.


No. I'm not.

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That was the actual post that you claimed was "defending" what happened up north. It was  calling you out over what looks like an attempt to deflect from the conversation, and the idea that the "North" is inherently more "racist" than the South.

If this was not your intention, I'll be  happy to apologize for taking them as such.

So, again:

Directly quote where I have done any of these:

1) Defended the beating of a black man by a white student because it happened in the North.
2) Defended racism by anyone because of the geographical location they've lived in.
3) Made justification for any of the above.

These are specific things you have outright accused me of in the thread, and this is the  third time I have called you out over continuing to make those accusations.

So either state that wasn't your intention, or double down. Which is it?
 
2014-04-11 02:05:25 AM  

hardinparamedic: It was calling you out over what looks like an attempt to deflect from the conversation,


So if you imagine something "looks like" something that makes it real?

Despite the fact that reiterating your original point is not a defense of racism in any way shape or form?

Spittle flecked loony is spittle flecked, loony.
 
2014-04-11 02:10:03 AM  

BullBearMS: So if you imagine something "looks like" something that makes it real?

Despite the fact that reiterating your original point is not a defense of racism in any way shape or form?


Fourth time: Quote exactly where I have defended racism.

All you've done is deflect and lob personal insults. Which amuses this speckle flecked loony quite greatly.

I tip my margarita to you, Mister "Pay no attention to what's going on in the South because the North does it too" guy.

Unlike you, I can actually quote your own posts as proof of my statement.
 
2014-04-11 02:20:49 AM  

hardinparamedic: Fourth time: Quote exactly where I have defended racism.


Look, you spittle flecked loony. I've done so. Many times.

I pointed out an egregious example of racism in Boston and you started going on and on about how it didn't matter if there was racism in the north because there is racism in the south.

hardinparamedic: BullBearMS: You're just making your usual nonsensical statements again?

No. I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.


Look, you spittle flecked loony... Racist attacks are bad no matter where they happen.

Nobody is trying to say they don't matter here because they also happen there but you.
 
2014-04-11 02:39:47 AM  

BullBearMS: I pointed out an egregious example of racism in Boston and you started going on and on about how it didn't matter if there was racism in the north because there is racism in the south.


Please quote directly where I did that. After all, there's no possible way you're outright lying about that because you were called out on a transparent attempt to threadjack and deflect discussion about Southern racism, right?

I mean. You should be able to quote where I said that, right?

Put up or shut up, bottom boy. You've not only accused me of being a racist, but also enjoying the idea of African Americans being beaten because it happened up north.

BullBearMS: Racist attacks are bad no matter where they happen.

Nobody is trying to say they don't matter here because they also happen there but you.


Actually, the entire reason I even posted in reply to you was to call you out over something that seemed to have that exact intention.

Instead of outright saying that, you launched into a flurry of personal insults, and even got trolled into frothing at the mouth about the NSA  despite the fact I even agreed with your threadjacks in the post.Not even buried in the post.  In the next sentence.

Although thank you for clarifying your political affiliation. I won't insult you by calling you a libertarian again. Being supportive of pseudoscience in medicine and outright woo is plenty to go on.
 
2014-04-11 02:58:27 AM  

hardinparamedic: even got trolled into frothing at the mouth about the NSA

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2014-04-11 03:02:49 AM  

BullBearMS: hardinparamedic: even got trolled into frothing at the mouth about the NSA


Point being that I even conceded that you have some good points every now and then, and your ego made you ignore that and continue to act like a rabid dog attacking. You really should have less self-esteem than you act. And you really shouldn't call people racist for calling you out over a statement which - out of the blue - has less than honest implications.

Speaking of, I'm still waiting for you to quote where I have done anything you have accused me of in this thread, since you're continuing to outright call me racist.

Have a great night, bottom boy. I'm going to go sleep off my wonderful margarita buzz. :)
 
2014-04-11 03:11:58 AM  

hardinparamedic: Speaking of, I'm still waiting for you to quote where I have done anything you have accused me of in this thread, since you're continuing to outright call me racist.


How many times do I have to point out exactly where you get all upset that I point out that racist attacks are bad even when they happen in Boston?

hardinparamedic: No. I'm calling you out over your "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD" crap.


Racial attacks are bad. Even in Boston.

hardinparamedic: Have a great night, bottom boy.


Oh yea. Call the Farker you know is gay, "bottom boy". You're real classy.

Why don't you call some black Farkers "Attractive and Successful" too, while you're at it?
 
2014-04-11 09:45:02 AM  

Wangiss: Komplex: Redlining. The answer is redlining.

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were such farking racist morons, they could put together a nice argument based on the Post-War Government expansion exacerbated the decline of our major cities. The FHA, Housing Projects, Cross-Bronx Expressway, etc... were all government programs that drove segregation, increased income inequality and slaughtered the tax base of our cities.

Did you, by chance, mean the exact opposite of what you wrote?


Oh No, not at all.

Check out PBS' American Experience: New York, Episode 7. It covers the changes in NYC from 1945-2000. And every government policy after the war f*cked our Major Cities, the poor and the minorities.

If the Federal Government didn't get involved, NYC/Philly/Boston/Newark/Detroit wouldn't have suffered in the 1970's~1990's (and still today).
 
2014-04-11 11:26:36 AM  

BullBearMS: How many times do I have to point out exactly where you get all upset that I point out that racist attacks are bad even when they happen in Boston?


And how many times does it have to be pointed out to you that: 

A) That was not what was said.
B) The only person upset here is you.

BullBearMS: Racial attacks are bad. Even in Boston.


Absolutely. I never said they weren't. What you were called out on was threadjacking because everyone was talking about the Southern US. Again, I get that you live in Mississippi, and it's obviously a trigger for you.

BullBearMS: Oh yea. Call the Farker you know is gay, "bottom boy". You're real classy.

Why don't you call some black Farkers "Attractive and Successful" too, while you're at it?


About that:

1) I like cock. So I can call you whatever I like. :)
2) Your name is a play on terms used in the kink/leather community. Sorry. No sell, bottom boy. Perhaps if you didn't want to be insulted, you shouldn't have started it first.
 
2014-04-11 01:03:10 PM  

Komplex: Wangiss: Komplex: Redlining. The answer is redlining.

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were such farking racist morons, they could put together a nice argument based on the Post-War Government expansion exacerbated the decline of our major cities. The FHA, Housing Projects, Cross-Bronx Expressway, etc... were all government programs that drove segregation, increased income inequality and slaughtered the tax base of our cities.

Did you, by chance, mean the exact opposite of what you wrote?

Oh No, not at all.

Check out PBS' American Experience: New York, Episode 7. It covers the changes in NYC from 1945-2000. And every government policy after the war f*cked our Major Cities, the poor and the minorities.

If the Federal Government didn't get involved, NYC/Philly/Boston/Newark/Detroit wouldn't have suffered in the 1970's~1990's (and still today).


So what you're saying is that you meant:

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were not such farking racist morons

...is that correct?
 
2014-04-11 02:14:43 PM  

Wangiss: Komplex: Wangiss: Komplex: Redlining. The answer is redlining.

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were such farking racist morons, they could put together a nice argument based on the Post-War Government expansion exacerbated the decline of our major cities. The FHA, Housing Projects, Cross-Bronx Expressway, etc... were all government programs that drove segregation, increased income inequality and slaughtered the tax base of our cities.

Did you, by chance, mean the exact opposite of what you wrote?

Oh No, not at all.

Check out PBS' American Experience: New York, Episode 7. It covers the changes in NYC from 1945-2000. And every government policy after the war f*cked our Major Cities, the poor and the minorities.

If the Federal Government didn't get involved, NYC/Philly/Boston/Newark/Detroit wouldn't have suffered in the 1970's~1990's (and still today).

So what you're saying is that you meant:

If Libertarians and "small-government conservatives" were not such farking racist morons

...is that correct?


Yes. That is correct. Thank you for spotting the error.
 
2014-04-11 02:28:14 PM  

People_are_Idiots: James10952001: Well, highschool dropout rates are far higher amongst blacks and Latinos, so statistically, yeah. It's not their race though, they aren't genetically predisposed to fail and drop out of school. It's the culture and environment so many are brought up in.

Oh I agree, just like that Offspring song from Crazy Taxi, Way down the line. Look it up. :)


I remember that song on the radio quite a while before Crazy Taxi came out. I also remember that game as one of the first to use regular music rather than stuff created specifically for the game.
 
2014-04-11 02:48:14 PM  

keypusher


People long ago stopped thinking of the Mason-Dixon line as "the line two surveyors marked to show the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland." Instead, it means the line between North and South (and Maryland is generally thought of as on the north side of it, funnily enough).


On which side did California fight in the War Between the States?

I'll give you a hint: California was so far away from the war that there is no reason to even talk about California in the context of the Mason-Dixon line. As I said before, and which you obviously failed to grasp, the M-D line is a very short segment; it is not a line of latitude that extends the whole way around the world. It does not extend past PA, and even in the context of the Civil War it is completely irrelevant from about Kentucky westward.


Are you this hopelessly literal about everything? When a news report says "Today, the White House declared X" do you immediately point out to your companions that the White House is a building, incapable of speech?


Wow, look at all that logical though you didn't use to back your assertion. I'm convinced. :-|
 
2014-04-11 03:29:10 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: keypusher

People long ago stopped thinking of the Mason-Dixon line as "the line two surveyors marked to show the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland." Instead, it means the line between North and South (and Maryland is generally thought of as on the north side of it, funnily enough).


On which side did California fight in the War Between the States?

I'll give you a hint: California was so far away from the war that there is no reason to even talk about California in the context of the Mason-Dixon line. As I said before, and which you obviously failed to grasp, the M-D line is a very short segment; it is not a line of latitude that extends the whole way around the world. It does not extend past PA, and even in the context of the Civil War it is completely irrelevant from about Kentucky westward.


Are you this hopelessly literal about everything? When a news report says "Today, the White House declared X" do you immediately point out to your companions that the White House is a building, incapable of speech?


Wow, look at all that logical though you didn't use to back your assertion. I'm convinced. :-|


Sheesh...

In popular usage, the Mason-Dixon line symbolizes a cultural boundary between the North and the South
 
2014-04-11 05:24:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: bsolutely. I never said they weren't.


You mean that because you changed your tune after I called you out on it that it doesn't count?

Because reality doesn't work that way.

Nor do things you "imagine" other people mean.
 
2014-04-11 07:14:44 PM  

BullBearMS: You mean that because you changed your tune after I called you out on it that it doesn't count?

Because reality doesn't work that way.

Nor do things you "imagine" other people mean


My exact words were it was irrelevant to the current conversation.

Not that it didn't count.

If you're going to outright lie, you should at least do it well.
 
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