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(New Statesman)   Large Hadron Collector just confirmed existence of another fundamental particle. Or so scientists claim. It's not like you can just drop by the lab and SEE it   (newstatesman.com) divider line 131
    More: Unlikely, LHC, particles, top quarks, exotic particle, meson, Baryons, LHCb, quantum field theory  
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2014-04-10 11:15:45 AM  
This reminds me to start collecting elements for my Periodic Table of Elements Table.
 
2014-04-10 01:01:39 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: This reminds me to start collecting elements for my Periodic Table of Elements Table.


I do that on the kitchen table...periodically.
 
2014-04-10 01:02:13 PM  
Is this why my 9 year old is asking me about atoms and gluons?
 
2014-04-10 01:04:11 PM  
There's there 4 quarks in a gluon, right?
 
2014-04-10 01:04:13 PM  
Yeah, but have those geniuses managed to split the beer atom, yet?
 
2014-04-10 01:05:30 PM  
I hope they give equal time to the anti-particle controversy.
 
2014-04-10 01:05:50 PM  
As long as we keep giving them Nobel prizes, they'll keep bringing this stuff to us.  They're like toddlers that way.

I expect the Dustbunion will be their next 'discovery'.

/would it kill you to run a broom under the bed occasionally?
 
2014-04-10 01:06:12 PM  
Does this have anything to do with a boy and a dachshund?

d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net
 
2014-04-10 01:07:37 PM  
Image of said particle:

data1.whicdn.com
 
2014-04-10 01:10:43 PM  
I have no idea what this means, but it is still exciting news.
 
2014-04-10 01:12:26 PM  

cgraves67: There's there 4 quarks in a gluon, right?


Out....
Friggin....
Standing...


/golfclap
 
2014-04-10 01:14:26 PM  

Repple Depple: cgraves67: There's there 4 quarks in a gluon, right?

Out....
Friggin....
Standing...


/golfclap


The joke is even less funny in metric-speaking nations.
 
2014-04-10 01:14:27 PM  
FTFA: The particle was observed with an overwhelming significance of 13.9 sigma,

Holy f*ck.

13.9 sigma is 3.167×10-44

Those orders of magnitude are mind-bending. I'm less certain that For comparison, the universe is something like 4x1017 seconds old.
 
2014-04-10 01:15:34 PM  

BKITU: FTFA: The particle was observed with an overwhelming significance of 13.9 sigma,

Holy f*ck.

13.9 sigma is 3.167×10-44

Those orders of magnitude are mind-bending. I'm less certain that I had eggs for breakfast this morning. For comparison, the universe is something like 4x1017 seconds old.


Fixed for me.

/moar coffeez
 
2014-04-10 01:16:56 PM  
Finally, we can have a four quark harmony...
 
2014-04-10 01:17:20 PM  

BKITU: FTFA: The particle was observed with an overwhelming significance of 13.9 sigma,

Holy f*ck.

13.9 sigma is 3.167×10-44

Those orders of magnitude are mind-bending. I'm less certain that For comparison, the universe is something like 4x1017 seconds old.


I was told there would be no math.  Can you explain why this is a big deal?
 
2014-04-10 01:18:01 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Repple Depple: cgraves67: There's there 4 quarks in a gluon, right?

Out....
Friggin....
Standing...


/golfclap

The joke is even less funny in metric-speaking nations.



Pfff...nobody visits those two countries anyway.
 
2014-04-10 01:18:37 PM  

Warthog: BKITU: FTFA: The particle was observed with an overwhelming significance of 13.9 sigma,

Holy f*ck.

13.9 sigma is 3.167×10-44

Those orders of magnitude are mind-bending. I'm less certain that For comparison, the universe is something like 4x1017 seconds old.

I was told there would be no math.  Can you explain why this is a big deal?


Juicedratic Equation
 
2014-04-10 01:18:37 PM  
Military scientists now eagerly working on the quadraquarktomic bomb.
 
2014-04-10 01:19:51 PM  
They only show it off at homegames
 
2014-04-10 01:20:57 PM  
It's a strange thing what those guys at the super colliders are doing.  In essence, they are trying to determine the building blocks of the universe at the tiniest, most fundemental level.  I would assume that if you are a physisist, it's tremendously important work.  And many of those people actually understand the nonsense that is String Theory.  Really, even to educated people, most of String Theory sounds borders on silly absurdiity.

So for all the money, time, energy, and effort that goes into it, very little is actually produced.  And of what is produced, the great majority of the world couldn't understand or care less about.  This is especially true for people that deny science even at it's most obvious levels.
 
2014-04-10 01:23:52 PM  

Warthog: BKITU: FTFA: The particle was observed with an overwhelming significance of 13.9 sigma,

Holy f*ck.

13.9 sigma is 3.167×10-44

Those orders of magnitude are mind-bending. I'm less certain that For comparison, the universe is something like 4x1017 seconds old.

I was told there would be no math.  Can you explain why this is a big deal?


being that certain about something that nobody predicted forces people to change their assumptions

it would be like building better and better microscopes and being able to see a smaller and smaller resolution, past atoms and molecules and even quarks until suddenly you see a ron paul 2008 bumper sticker

and the chance that you're mistaken is 3.167×10-44
 
2014-04-10 01:24:04 PM  
Is this a different particle from the one in the story on Monday or Tuesday?
 
2014-04-10 01:25:00 PM  
The inner dyslexic 12 year old in me always giggles whenever he sees the term "Large Hadron Collider".
 
2014-04-10 01:26:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: It's a strange thing what those guys at the super colliders are doing.  In essence, they are trying to determine the building blocks of the universe at the tiniest, most fundemental level.  I would assume that if you are a physisist, it's tremendously important work.  And many of those people actually understand the nonsense that is String Theory.  Really, even to educated people, most of String Theory sounds borders on silly absurdiity.

So for all the money, time, energy, and effort that goes into it, very little is actually produced.  And of what is produced, the great majority of the world couldn't understand or care less about.  This is especially true for people that deny science even at it's most obvious levels.


It doesn't matter if the general public understands or couldn't care less about this. These are the pieces that make up the pieces. The more we understand, the better it is for everyone. Hell, making 'people don't understand' as the cutoff point would have eliminated pretty much every major scientific breakthrough ever.
 
2014-04-10 01:26:51 PM  
Apparently you can buy Higgs Bosons in the gift shop.

They're really big for a sub-atomic particle. You can get them on key chains and trucker caps.
 
2014-04-10 01:28:37 PM  
If it's made of four quarks how can it be a fundamental particle?
 
2014-04-10 01:30:34 PM  

Mikey1969: durbnpoisn: It's a strange thing what those guys at the super colliders are doing.  In essence, they are trying to determine the building blocks of the universe at the tiniest, most fundemental level.  I would assume that if you are a physisist, it's tremendously important work.  And many of those people actually understand the nonsense that is String Theory.  Really, even to educated people, most of String Theory sounds borders on silly absurdiity.

So for all the money, time, energy, and effort that goes into it, very little is actually produced.  And of what is produced, the great majority of the world couldn't understand or care less about.  This is especially true for people that deny science even at it's most obvious levels.

It doesn't matter if the general public understands or couldn't care less about this. These are the pieces that make up the pieces. The more we understand, the better it is for everyone. Hell, making 'people don't understand' as the cutoff point would have eliminated pretty much every major scientific breakthrough ever.


Believe me, I agree with you.  I wasn't implying that their work was useless.  I was implying that MOST people perceive it that way.
That does not mean they should stop by any means.

Many times in less than 200 years, many people thought science was at an end.  Fortunately for sanity, there were enough people out there that DIDN'T think that was the case.  And look at all the shiat that's been discovered since.

So to further my point, I really hope they produce some worthwhile results that will turn people's heads.  Maybe that group that I classify as "most people" will learn something.
 
2014-04-10 01:31:48 PM  

durbnpoisn: It's a strange thing what those guys at the super colliders are doing.  In essence, they are trying to determine the building blocks of the universe at the tiniest, most fundemental level.  I would assume that if you are a physisist, it's tremendously important work.  And many of those people actually understand the nonsense that is String Theory.  Really, even to educated people, most of String Theory sounds borders on silly absurdiity.

So for all the money, time, energy, and effort that goes into it, very little is actually produced.  And of what is produced, the great majority of the world couldn't understand or care less about.  This is especially true for people that deny science even at it's most obvious levels.


Yeah, I know what you mean. Microwave generation is silly sci-fi stuff. And RADAR, and LASER, and SONAR. All items which were regarded as 'trivialities' until someone found a real-world application for the theories.

There is strong research underway using these exotic bits of matter to suss out the remaining equations of unified theory as well as gravity propagation. So what, you might say? Well, when we figure out how gravity propagates, we might find a way to control it locally. Let THAT one sink in a while.
 
2014-04-10 01:32:31 PM  
Did anyone else read that headline as "Large Hardon Collector"?
 
2014-04-10 01:33:12 PM  

Warthog: BKITU: FTFA: The particle was observed with an overwhelming significance of 13.9 sigma,

Holy f*ck.

13.9 sigma is 3.167×10-44

Those orders of magnitude are mind-bending. I'm less certain that For comparison, the universe is something like 4x1017 seconds old.

I was told there would be no math.  Can you explain why this is a big deal?


If I remember correctly (statistics was a long time ago)

Basically, the higher the 'sigma' (standard of deviation), the more likely the data is of being 'real', and not chance. 5 sigma is one-in-two million likliehood that the data happened by chance.

This is basically saying "There is a  3.167×10-42 % chance this data occurred randomly."

That would be 0.(FOURTY TWO ZEROES)3167% chance.

(Someone please correct me if I'm screwing this up, most of my research is less statistics based and more "Gentlemen, BEHOLD!" )
 
2014-04-10 01:34:33 PM  
Can't find the stand-alone Higgs Boson comic, but here it is again in video:

http://vimeo.com/41038445
 
2014-04-10 01:35:50 PM  
The Large Hadron Collider is not like a truck. It's a series of tubes. And somewhere, there's a dude stuffing porn, ridiculous hyperbole, and cat pics into the end of the tubes...wait, I may be thinking of the internet...
 
2014-04-10 01:35:58 PM  
 
2014-04-10 01:37:06 PM  
I read that as "Hardon Collector" and I am now sorely disappointed in this thread.
 
2014-04-10 01:37:39 PM  
 
2014-04-10 01:38:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: Yeah, but have those geniuses managed to split the beer atom, yet?


Just from Tasmanian Beer....
calitreview.com
 
2014-04-10 01:39:11 PM  
So that's a yes to docking?
 
2014-04-10 01:39:41 PM  

mike_d85: I read that as "Hardon Collector" and I am now sorely disappointed in this thread.


This statement belies the vocal interest in red-headed girls stated in your profile.
 
2014-04-10 01:39:42 PM  

foo monkey: I hope they give equal time to the anti-particle controversy.


i cant see them therefore atoms dont exist?
 
2014-04-10 01:40:38 PM  

brantgoose: Apparently you can buy Higgs Bosons in the gift shop.

They're really big for a sub-atomic particle. You can get them on key chains and trucker caps.


rlv.zcache.com/troo dat
 
2014-04-10 01:40:45 PM  

alabasterblack: hardinparamedic: Yeah, but have those geniuses managed to split the beer atom, yet?

Just from Tasmanian Beer....
[calitreview.com image 462x260]


You can't be Serious
 
2014-04-10 01:41:00 PM  
It's OK, you can some over and watch it on my Small Hadron Collider.

Collector?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-10 01:41:28 PM  

mike_d85: I read that as "Hardon Collector" and I am now sorely disappointed in this thread.


On slashdot there were 20 joke comments about "Hardon collider" before any real comments.  For some reason people on slashdot have to repeat the joke every time.
 
2014-04-10 01:42:01 PM  

Mikey1969: durbnpoisn: It's a strange thing what those guys at the super colliders are doing.  In essence, they are trying to determine the building blocks of the universe at the tiniest, most fundemental level.  I would assume that if you are a physisist, it's tremendously important work.  And many of those people actually understand the nonsense that is String Theory.  Really, even to educated people, most of String Theory sounds borders on silly absurdiity.

So for all the money, time, energy, and effort that goes into it, very little is actually produced.  And of what is produced, the great majority of the world couldn't understand or care less about.  This is especially true for people that deny science even at it's most obvious levels.

It doesn't matter if the general public understands or couldn't care less about this. These are the pieces that make up the pieces. The more we understand, the better it is for everyone. Hell, making 'people don't understand' as the cutoff point would have eliminated pretty much every major scientific breakthrough ever.


And besides, if we don't have something to keep these physicists busy, they'll just turn in to evil geniuses, or add to the unemployment lines. My bet would be on evil geniuses though, because the super science types are often pretty farking smug about how smart they are and how the masses are incapable of understanding their genius or the import of their work.
 
2014-04-10 01:46:05 PM  

markfara: Did anyone else read that headline as "Large Hardon Collector"?


I read it as "Large Handy Colander" and thought great, about time we get a cooking thread instead of all that geek bullshiat.
 
2014-04-10 01:48:23 PM  

misanthropologist: And besides, if we don't have something to keep these physicists busy, they'll just turn in to evil geniuses, or add to the unemployment lines. My bet would be on evil geniuses though, because the super science types are often pretty farking smug about how smart they are and how the masses are incapable of understanding their genius or the import of their work.


Eh, not necessarily that. Some of us are (that... stereotype of physicists does exist for a reason, to my dismay.) , but more importantly pretty much ALL of us are cracked in the head a bit. I have yet to figure out if that's what draws us to physics, or if physics does that to us, though.

/Plus, most of the good ones have a very, very strong inner five year old. It's necessary for being a good scientist.
//But yeah, a bored physicist is a dangerous physicist.
 
2014-04-10 01:48:43 PM  
So it's a quark with a quirk?
 
2014-04-10 01:50:54 PM  

misanthropologist: Mikey1969: durbnpoisn: It's a strange thing what those guys at the super colliders are doing.  In essence, they are trying to determine the building blocks of the universe at the tiniest, most fundemental level.  I would assume that if you are a physisist, it's tremendously important work.  And many of those people actually understand the nonsense that is String Theory.  Really, even to educated people, most of String Theory sounds borders on silly absurdiity.

So for all the money, time, energy, and effort that goes into it, very little is actually produced.  And of what is produced, the great majority of the world couldn't understand or care less about.  This is especially true for people that deny science even at it's most obvious levels.

It doesn't matter if the general public understands or couldn't care less about this. These are the pieces that make up the pieces. The more we understand, the better it is for everyone. Hell, making 'people don't understand' as the cutoff point would have eliminated pretty much every major scientific breakthrough ever.

And besides, if we don't have something to keep these physicists busy, they'll just turn in to evil geniuses, or add to the unemployment lines. My bet would be on evil geniuses though, because the super science types are often pretty farking smug about how smart they are and how the masses are incapable of understanding their genius or the import of their work.


Super smug...  That sounds like a description of Sheldon Cooper.  And I really do think he is a pretty good example of what people think of those science nerds.
 
2014-04-10 01:54:54 PM  
At some point they stop being particles and exist as energy wave functions.
 
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