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2014-04-10 08:48:48 AM  
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2014-04-10 09:34:20 AM  
Oh dear, this will not end well.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-10 09:58:41 AM  
I'll watch but I'm not going buy cable to watch them lose.  Broadcast them locally.  Allow me to get them from MLB.com locally.  Increase the broadcast range of your AM station.
 
2014-04-10 10:04:07 AM  
Brooklyn Astros?
 
2014-04-10 10:05:42 AM  
I actually watched a couple innings. Bored the hole off me.
 
2014-04-10 10:07:49 AM  
Fat, drunk and an Astros fan is no way to go through life.
 
2014-04-10 10:21:27 AM  

dittybopper: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


The Mets...have no winning percentage. All games incomplete.
 
2014-04-10 10:22:02 AM  
I'm actually enjoying kind of following the Astros this year, even if they're not what you'd call "good". They're young, and they've got some raw talent. As kids are known to do, though, they're inconsistent as hell.
 
2014-04-10 10:41:15 AM  
0.0 means fewer than 2,000 people were tuned into the cable channel.
 
2014-04-10 10:52:11 AM  
Let's see:

The Nielsen report, of course, doesn't mean that no one among the approximately 500,000 or so households in the Houston area with access to CSN Houston was watching the game.

and

The pregame show, however, drew a 0.2 Nielsen rating, meaning that an average audience of about 4,600 viewers watched the show. None of those viewers with Nielsen boxes, however, stuck around to watch the proceedings

So the pregame was watched by approximately 0.9% of those with access.  If the game was 0.0, then its audience was less than half the pregame, or 0.45%.  So about one out of every 200 households with access to the game watched it.  Which means that about one in 500 Harris County's 1.2 million households watched the game (Number is even worse if we include the entire Greater Houston area).
 
2014-04-10 10:54:43 AM  
Nielsen rating sort of work nationally, but the smaller the sample size, the less important the survey.  With the way today's technology works there should be a better way to find ratings.
 
2014-04-10 10:57:51 AM  
What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!  What the fark happened to the Astros I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest season of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go watch you Astros, we might win some games." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this.
 
2014-04-10 11:03:42 AM  
Go Blue Jays!

/radio listener here
//fan of The Fan.
 
2014-04-10 11:12:11 AM  

Dog Welder: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!  What the fark happened to the Astros I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest season of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go watch you Astros, we might win some games." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this.


Germans?
/let him go he's rolling.
 
2014-04-10 11:12:32 AM  
I would love to watch the Astros again. I don't care that they suck. I want to get to know all the new players on the team. Along with their youth and inexperience comes a level of energy and excitement you often don't find in veterans. I'd like to be able to watch them as they mature as pros. But nothing is worth getting Comcast.
 
2014-04-10 11:13:19 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: So the pregame was watched by approximately 0.9% of those with access.  If the game was 0.0, then its audience was less than half the pregame, or 0.45%.  So about one out of every 200 households with access to the game watched it.  Which means that about one in 500 Harris County's 1.2 million households watched the game (Number is even worse if we include the entire Greater Houston area).


Except we can't say that with absolute certainty. It's theoretically possible that everyone in Houston except the 579 homes with Nielsen boxes was watching the game.

It's really, really unlikely that that's the case, but it's possible. That's why we need both a confidence interval and a margin of error.
 
2014-04-10 11:23:49 AM  
Do you get randomly selected to have a Nielson box or do you volunteer?

I would leave my TV on some random crap to skew the results. As an 18-49 yr male, he continues to watch a lot of Animal Planet.
 
2014-04-10 11:26:22 AM  

Gonz: AliceBToklasLives: So the pregame was watched by approximately 0.9% of those with access.  If the game was 0.0, then its audience was less than half the pregame, or 0.45%.  So about one out of every 200 households with access to the game watched it.  Which means that about one in 500 Harris County's 1.2 million households watched the game (Number is even worse if we include the entire Greater Houston area).

Except we can't say that with absolute certainty. It's theoretically possible that everyone in Houston except the 579 homes with Nielsen boxes was watching the game.

It's really, really unlikely that that's the case, but it's possible. That's why we need both a confidence interval and a margin of error.


Indeed - I was just having fun with the numbers.  I agree that the box system is insanely outdated - old Letterman promo: "If you've got one of those boxes on the top of your TV, please watch the show.  Otherwise, we don't give a damn what you do."

Since we're talking about cable, it seems to me that it would be rather easy to keep track of exactly which channel each household has on at what time.  Same story with satellite.  Wouldn't advertisers appreciate the demographic detail they could get out of such a system?
 
2014-04-10 11:28:53 AM  
Oh, and if you think TV ratings are outdated, radio still uses the frickin' diary system.
 
2014-04-10 11:33:47 AM  

Wettner: Do you get randomly selected to have a Nielson box or do you volunteer?

I would leave my TV on some random crap to skew the results. As an 18-49 yr male, he continues to watch a lot of Animal Planet.


Randomly selected, though obviously it's voluntary whether or not you participate once selected. That said, most ratings these days are done directly by the cable companies.
 
2014-04-10 11:35:28 AM  
Well, that many people had the TV turned on.  I doubt that many of them were actually watching.
 
2014-04-10 11:41:59 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Oh, and if you think TV ratings are outdated, radio still uses the frickin' diary system.


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Not where I am (Boston) and in at least 40 markets I know of, including Houston...  Nielsen Audio (they bought Arbitron) uses a device called PPM (Personal People Meter) that listeners wear like a pager.  It picks up subaudible signals embedded in the broadcast.

Anecdotally, it put a bullet through a lot of talk radio since people used to BS the diaries, telling them that they listened to Rush or whoever all day long, when that wasn't actually the case.
</hijack>

/radio geek
 
2014-04-10 11:54:14 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Gonz: AliceBToklasLives: So the pregame was watched by approximately 0.9% of those with access.  If the game was 0.0, then its audience was less than half the pregame, or 0.45%.  So about one out of every 200 households with access to the game watched it.  Which means that about one in 500 Harris County's 1.2 million households watched the game (Number is even worse if we include the entire Greater Houston area).

Except we can't say that with absolute certainty. It's theoretically possible that everyone in Houston except the 579 homes with Nielsen boxes was watching the game.

It's really, really unlikely that that's the case, but it's possible. That's why we need both a confidence interval and a margin of error.

Indeed - I was just having fun with the numbers.  I agree that the box system is insanely outdated - old Letterman promo: "If you've got one of those boxes on the top of your TV, please watch the show.  Otherwise, we don't give a damn what you do."

Since we're talking about cable, it seems to me that it would be rather easy to keep track of exactly which channel each household has on at what time.  Same story with satellite.  Wouldn't advertisers appreciate the demographic detail they could get out of such a system?


Indeed.... considering I think it is like 70-90% of the households have cable or satellite depending on the area... it seems like Nielsen would just say "OK, we'll still do some "old school" methods to get info from the people watching OTA broadcasts, but, otherwise, we'll work with the cable/satellite companies to get anonymized data about who is watching what in every market directly from their boxes".  What am I missing there that this hasn't been done in the late 10-15 years?
 
2014-04-10 12:30:59 PM  
Remember, this is also the team that had a "ladies night" to educate women about baseball.  So I'm not surprised that they keep finding new ways to screw up.
 
2014-04-10 12:32:36 PM  

Gonz: I'm actually enjoying kind of following the Astros this year, even if they're not what you'd call "good". They're young, and they've got some raw talent. As kids are known to do, though, they're inconsistent as hell.


They have a fantasy relevant piece or two in Altuve and Feldman.
 
2014-04-10 01:20:33 PM  
Bear with my math here, but, the numbers i could pull from the article were:

500,000 or so households in the Houston area with access to CSN Houston.
If you look up the Houston DMA though, there are supposedly 2.3 million TV households.  So, right off the bat, the network they are on is supposedly only received by less than a 1/3 of the households.

Let's say that the best they can "measure" is a .1 rating, which would be 2300 fans... so, for sake of argument, lets say only 2,300 fans watched the game in "reality".... what are the odds that none of those would have a Nielsen box?

If my math is correct, that would be (2,297,700/2,300,000) , or a 99.9% chance that the person wasn't watching the game, if the nielsen people only had 1 box "on".  But, there were 579 on.... now, technically the next thing you'd multiply is 2,297,699/2,299,999... but, the numbers are so large there, I don't think it will make much of a difference, so, lets say it is just that original ratio, to the 579th power.   That still gives a 56% chance that you'll get a 0.0 rating.  Even if the numbers were going down, I think that would only change it lower very slightly.   That seems crazy high, and just goes to show that Nielsen ratings are crap for "microprogramming".

Here is the crazier part.... now take it that maybe there was really 6,900 people watching in reality, or what "should" be a 0.3 rating.... if I run the same math on that... there is a 17% chance (not insignificant) that Nielsen would return a 0.0 rating.   In a "microprogramming" universe, that 0.1 vs. 0.3 is pretty big.

 They are still doing ratings based on the days of 3 major networks, PBS and maybe a few local channels... which was fine when even the worst program would have 2-3% of the people watching, just because there was only 5-6 options.   Now people have 500 options, and, a lot of shows are going to have audiences in the few thousands, but, Nielsen can't quantify that well enough with the local levels of boxes they deploy.
 
2014-04-10 02:03:01 PM  
I love how everyone is happy to use ratings when discussing relative power of teams/sports, but the second their team/sport is clowned on, it becomes THE MEASURING SYSTEM IS SOOOO OUTDATED!
 
2014-04-10 02:19:40 PM  

IAmRight: I love how everyone is happy to use ratings when discussing relative power of teams/sports, but the second their team/sport is clowned on, it becomes THE MEASURING SYSTEM IS SOOOO OUTDATED!


You have a point there... although as about the only other AFL fan on Fark, I think you'd recognize how a sport like the AFL has possibly suffered because of likely poor microprogramming ratings.  Hockey also has that issue.... how much of hockeys poor national ratings is because many markets it is "next to nil" in popularity (but, probably does in reality have some viewers) .... you could probably reasonable argue that it loses a few tenth's of a ratings point on its ratings because Nielsen can't count probably a dozen or so markets where it is so low it probably gets a 0.0 rating locally.
 
2014-04-10 02:26:32 PM  

dletter: You have a point there... although as about the only other AFL fan on Fark, I think you'd recognize how a sport like the AFL has possibly suffered because of likely poor microprogramming ratings.


Partially. Though I accept that basically no one cares about the AFL.
 
2014-04-10 02:41:57 PM  
The GPA of the Kentucky men's basketball team is already out?  No wonder there are rumors about Calipari going to the Lakers.

Clicks article.

Ohhhhh.  Sounds about right for the Lastros.
 
2014-04-10 03:36:10 PM  

hugh chardon: The GPA of the Kentucky men's basketball team is already out?  No wonder there are rumors about Calipari going to the Lakers.

Clicks article.

Ohhhhh.  Sounds about right for the Lastros.


Exactly what I was thinking, but I'm sure KY has a couple geniuses on the pines to bring up the GPA.

/maybe Montreal would take the Astros?
 
2014-04-10 05:39:21 PM  

Krustofsky: hugh chardon: The GPA of the Kentucky men's basketball team is already out?  No wonder there are rumors about Calipari going to the Lakers.

Clicks article.

Ohhhhh.  Sounds about right for the Lastros.

Exactly what I was thinking, but I'm sure KY has a couple geniuses on the pines to bring up the GPA.

/maybe Montreal would take the Astros?


Yeah, I did notice a couple of kinda nerdy looking token white guys on their bench.  Perhaps I should have said the starting GPA of their 5 starting freshmen.
 
2014-04-10 06:59:05 PM  
Pending they don't "fire sale" their prospects, laugh now; they'll be a force in 4 years, AND in a division that will most likely be laughable.
 
2014-04-10 10:17:14 PM  

Marmilman: I would love to watch the Astros again. I don't care that they suck. I want to get to know all the new players on the team. Along with their youth and inexperience comes a level of energy and excitement you often don't find in veterans. I'd like to be able to watch them as they mature as pros. But nothing is worth getting Comcast.


I have Comcast, but I also have a wife. So I don't watch a lot of baseball
 
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