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2014-04-09 11:44:52 PM
7 votes:
i have seen more than my fair share of fat chicks. so....fark off.
2014-04-10 07:57:36 AM
4 votes:
I have no problem doing this. Actuarial science is legitimate. If you don't enforce actuary standards, you end up with businesses discouraging certain people from purchasing their products.

However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.
2014-04-10 07:36:09 AM
4 votes:
We do pay more.

We have to pay for yours.

/work in a salad once in a while, toots.
2014-04-10 12:01:47 AM
4 votes:
Welcome to equal rights, subby.  Women pay the same as a man.  It all evens out.
2014-04-10 01:38:40 PM
3 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


Just for once I'd like to see the 'biology' argument go the other way. Seems we only try to compensate for biology when it's in the woman's interest. It's always "she gets to choose what to do about the pregnancy because it's her body. That's biology," But it's never "he gets to knock you up and leave because that's biology." That's the kind of biology that gets the courts get involved.

/don't support deadbeat dadism, just sayin' some consistency would be nice
2014-04-10 08:32:01 AM
3 votes:

Tommy Moo: However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.


Women don't make less money than men for doing the same work, women choose to work fewer hours or do different work. In fact, if you look at the cohort of young, urban, never married, college graduates women currently outearn men by a significant margin.

The wage gap is a myth.
2014-04-10 08:22:26 AM
3 votes:
As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.
2014-04-10 08:17:23 AM
3 votes:
kmsp.images.worldnow.com

Begs to differ.
2014-04-10 07:49:49 AM
3 votes:
Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really beleive that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.
2014-04-10 01:36:26 PM
2 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Poot beer: As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.

It never ceases to amaze me that people not only accept shoddy work but actually defend it.

We're not talking about tracking bosons in a particle accelerator, an afternoon's work could vastly improve Fark's filter which has sucked for close to a decade. Regarding the changes to posting format not being reflected in the preview, that could have been caught by five minutes of QA.


Maybe Fark can't afford the resources because you're a liter?

Complaining about something free is unlikely to win you a lot of support, no matter how justified you feel your criticisms are.
2014-04-10 11:30:12 AM
2 votes:
If I pay more and she pays less, it's a wash, because I'm paying for both. You see, I make more money than her for the same job, because when I knock her up, I won't be unproductive for 9-12 months.
2014-04-10 10:14:11 AM
2 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


Men are, on average, significantly stronger than women (it turns out that the upper/lower body thing is BS). Because sexual dimorphism.

The other side of that coin is that two women are, one average, stronger than one man so relegating lifting heavy objects to the man can't be supported on the grounds that he is individually stronger. Team lift for the win.
2014-04-10 10:11:12 AM
2 votes:

ckccfa


Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut. Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.


Fair enough, but on the flip side maybe all the managers would do the same and the stylist you had was the outlier. Of course there's no way to know that without additional visits but it doesn't look like a huge risk. Then again, you could confirm the price before getting the haircut and avoid any potential headache.

Also, the "unnecessary effort" statement - do you hear yourself? A conversation that took one minute, maximum, and got the desired result doesn't really appear to be effort but people see things differently.
2014-04-10 09:17:49 AM
2 votes:

smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.


I drink my coffee black. I'm subsidizing the cost of those 4 creams and 8 sugars I see people use at McDonald's

That's fine with me. Establish a fair price. If I don't agree it's fair, I won't shop there.

Selective pricing leads to too many subjective decisions.
2014-04-10 09:00:59 AM
2 votes:

markfara: perigee: I try to avoid buffets, because I don't eat enough to get my money's worth.

I generally avoid buffets because:

1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

2) The ones that charge "per item" end up costing through the roof.


3. I married a woman who can cook and now all buffets look like nasty fried d food left out way too long.
2014-04-10 08:24:05 AM
2 votes:
Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"
2014-04-10 08:14:33 AM
2 votes:

meanmutton: farvour: Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really beleive that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.

In the Us, women don't pay higher health insurance premiums. That's explicitly illegal. Insurance companies can only use age as a rating factor and even there they can't have their highest age rating be more than 3 times the cost of their lowest age rating. Source: ACA


Yup but now we are all being forced to pay for stuff we don't need like maternity coverage so it is cheaper for chicks who want to spawn.  It would be like making all of us have to pay for boat insurance , even if we don't own a  boat, so it is cheaper for boat owners. Or how about higher auto insurance rates on teenage girls to make insurance cheaper for teenage boys.
2014-04-10 07:48:47 AM
2 votes:

Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.


This is true. If you do not wish for the $50 surcharge for being the Black person then do not do the complaints. Just do the eating elsewhere.
2014-04-10 07:44:28 AM
2 votes:
So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.
2014-04-10 04:21:09 PM
1 votes:

ckccfa: Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?

/csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less t ...


Ha! As a man with long hair, I'm getting a kick...
2014-04-10 02:45:26 PM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: ckccfa: /csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb

I started getting flat tops when I was a kid and continued into my 20's, they started off the same price as other men cuts, but now they cost more at most barber shops.  It wasn't about the work because flat ...


There's also the fulmination factor. If you give a man a bad cut, he'll give you a dirty look and never come back. But some (not all, but some) women will burn your salon down (figuratively).
2014-04-10 01:41:39 PM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.


See what I mean? It's biology.
2014-04-10 12:14:38 PM
1 votes:

Poot beer: As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.


It never ceases to amaze me that people not only accept shoddy work but actually defend it.

We're not talking about tracking bosons in a particle accelerator, an afternoon's work could vastly improve Fark's filter which has sucked for close to a decade. Regarding the changes to posting format not being reflected in the preview, that could have been caught by five minutes of QA.
2014-04-10 11:49:53 AM
1 votes:

Pathman: so yes - we "diverge" in that you think the law should be able to force that child to charge a particular price because you believe the reason why the prices differ is important.


Are you serious? Is that what you got from me saying I didn't care what he charged as long as he charged everyone the same price for the same service?

It's clearly time to end this conversation.

Poot beer: Is that just your opinion?


It's my professional opinion informed by twenty years in the software industry. So, yes, it's my opinion.

Filtering against "firsts" twenty pages into a thread is boneheaded design. His process of stripping whitespace from a post and then applying a simple regex to the remaining text block is similarly a Programming 101 approach which generates what I would consider to be an unacceptable level of false positives in any real application. The whole thing reeks of "meh, good enough".
2014-04-10 11:42:40 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: deadlyplatypus: svanmeter: draft

If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?

He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

While we do not currently have a draft and it is unlikely that we will have one in the future, the underlying assumption is that only men will be conscripted if a draft is needed. For reference, this is the issue which caused some women to oppose the ERA. At the time we still had a draft and some women feared being conscripted into military service although they apparently had no issue with men being similarly conscripted.

The answer to your question is that women should be required to register with selective service but currently are not.


Oh, I know what he's talking about, I just didn't know if he was joking (believing that it would somehow be wrong for women to register for the draft/"selective service") or if he was actually rational/not a sexist and believed that they should have to register just like men have to.

This is one of the reasons I have less sympathy for some of the issues raised by people.

Everyone can now join the military, any branch. Women now serve on submarines. But only men can be conscripted to die because some politicians say so? That policy is just a little bit unbalanced and has larger implications than a lot of the policies people get ruffled about, but you never hear about it...don't know why.

/Doesn't apply to me
//Already active duty
///Just thinks possibly being forced to die for your country is a bigger inequality than those that actually get discussed.
2014-04-10 10:31:06 AM
1 votes:

deadlyplatypus: svanmeter: draft

If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?


He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

While we do not currently have a draft and it is unlikely that we will have one in the future, the underlying assumption is that only men will be conscripted if a draft is needed. For reference, this is the issue which caused some women to oppose the ERA. At the time we still had a draft and some women feared being conscripted into military service although they apparently had no issue with men being similarly conscripted.

The answer to your question is that women should be required to register with selective service but currently are not.
2014-04-10 10:14:55 AM
1 votes:

svanmeter: draft


If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?
2014-04-10 10:05:09 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Englebert Slaptyback: The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.

I understood the story. There are a thousand places to get your hair cut and if I had to argue with the staff in order to not be charged for a service I didn't receive the first time I patronized the place, that is sufficient reason to find someplace else and never go back. I'm not speaking for  ckccfa but I suspect she's of a similar mind.


Pretty much.  The next place I went to wound up giving me the best hair cut of my life, and for only $15 dollars, so maybe I should send the first place a "thank you" card.
2014-04-10 09:47:45 AM
1 votes:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: If I could have all the rolls/bread I've seen dropped on the floor, picked up and put back on the buffet in lieu of another one, I could build a yeasty, buttery house of goodness


I think most anyone who has worked in the food service industry, whether it be the local greasy spoon or a 3 star Michelin restaurant, could tell stories that would curl your hair and curdle your stomach.
2014-04-10 09:45:36 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo


Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.
2014-04-10 09:45:21 AM
1 votes:
I'm a man, and every buffet in the world is wasted on me.

I don't just eat less than the average man, I eat less than the average woman. So according to the author, being male means I should pay more, even though I actually eat far less. Capital idea, author.

I put food on my plate at a buffet like I'm at home and can save the leftovers; and I still never finish a plate at a buffet.
2014-04-10 09:41:59 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.
2014-04-10 09:36:03 AM
1 votes:

ckccfa


I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine). My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me. When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries. I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did. According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine." I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again. At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done. This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female. Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.


*boggle*

You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?
2014-04-10 09:22:06 AM
1 votes:
Just make everyone get weighed before and after and charge em by the pound.
Skr
2014-04-10 09:03:38 AM
1 votes:
Well unless they have a "Take only what you will Eat, Eat everything you Take" sign, then the male female thing is off base. Many people, of either gender, take a large variety of food, nibble, and trash the rest. More food is wasted that way than the difference between male and female patrons, I'd guess.
2014-04-10 08:56:20 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: Personally i for one think a business should be able to do that...how long do you think a business would last doing that?

I live in Arkansas. In some parts of this state it would last a long farking time.

Pathman: Should hairdressers not be allowed charge different rates for women or men?

Hairdressers charge based on what you're getting done. If you have long hair and are getting a cut and color you're paying $50. If you want "The Don Draper", you're paying $25.

Pathman: but while i'm not sure where that bright line is - i definitely think it's to the left of "it's illegal to charge men more for all you can eat"

Why is that? You've made the assertion but haven't backed it up with evidence or argument.



evidence? it's an opinion, it doesn't require "evidence"
my argument is that if you own something, you should be able to charge what you want for it.  That's one of the privileges of ownership.  this isn't batteries in a flood, restaurants provide and extremely elastic service.  if you don't like their prices, eat somewhere else.

I am sure you're right and some restaurants would do well if they declared themselves "whites only"
that's sad...

as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?
2014-04-10 08:40:07 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tommy Moo: However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.

Women don't make less money than men for doing the same work, women choose to work fewer hours or do different work. In fact, if you look at the cohort of young, urban, never married, college graduates women currently outearn men by a significant margin.

The wage gap is a myth.


"Women abuse children more often than men do (with a hugely disproportionate amount of it meted out to male children). They're also statistically more likely to the first ones to take a swing in instances of domestic violence. Also, the biggest predictor of anorexia in young women is the presence of a mother who is critical of her daughter's physical appearance."

"Um. . . What are 'Issues feminists never address,' Alex?"
2014-04-10 08:34:01 AM
1 votes:

farvour: Because women, like men, also know how to work the double standard system.

See? We have equality with intelligence after all.


I think you misspelled hypocrisy.
2014-04-10 08:22:49 AM
1 votes:

Molavian: As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.


Also rape culture.
2014-04-10 08:16:49 AM
1 votes:
18 year old women should register for the draft like men. End the discrimination Obama!
2014-04-10 08:16:26 AM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.


#1 Rule with kids and buffets or group dining -
If you touch it you've got to take it.
2014-04-10 08:06:38 AM
1 votes:

media.ticketmaster.com

RIP JOHN PINETTE

2014-04-10 08:03:48 AM
1 votes:

perigee: I try to avoid buffets, because I don't eat enough to get my money's worth.


I generally avoid buffets because:

1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

2) The ones that charge "per item" end up costing through the roof.
2014-04-10 07:58:55 AM
1 votes:

meow said the dog: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.

This is true. If you do not wish for the $50 surcharge for being the Black person then do not do the complaints. Just do the eating elsewhere.


I see you're actively posting again.  Did you get out of prison recently or something?

First of all I would actually prefer to know if the establishment I was eating at was owned by huge bigots so that i could do precisely that but more importantly, being a man is not a protected class under the 1964 CRA (except as it pertains to hiring and compensation) so the point you are driving at is silly.
2014-04-10 07:49:42 AM
1 votes:

kbronsito: A fat woman came into the store today and said she needed something she could be comfortable in. I said, "Try Wyoming!"


"How dare you say that to my face!"
"Well I'd say it behind your back but my car's only got half a tank of gas!"

/Al Bundy is my spirit animal
2014-04-10 07:49:22 AM
1 votes:
No one eats on a date.
2014-04-10 07:11:43 AM
1 votes:
As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

www.bitterwallet.com
2014-04-10 06:57:58 AM
1 votes:
Women got the big handbags taking what they can't eat.

/done it
2014-04-09 11:50:34 PM
1 votes:
Chicks be fat too, bro ...
 
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