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2014-04-09 11:44:52 PM  
i have seen more than my fair share of fat chicks. so....fark off.
 
2014-04-09 11:50:34 PM  
Chicks be fat too, bro ...
 
2014-04-09 11:53:02 PM  
See: Texas
 
2014-04-10 12:01:47 AM  
Welcome to equal rights, subby.  Women pay the same as a man.  It all evens out.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2014-04-10 02:58:40 AM  
Heh. Subby has never seen a fat woman eat.
 
2014-04-10 03:21:03 AM  

HawgWild: Chicks be fat too, bro ...


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-10 05:46:15 AM  

FNG: Heh. Subby has never seen a fat woman eat.


Hmm, don't think I have either. Are they good at it?
 
2014-04-10 06:57:58 AM  
Women got the big handbags taking what they can't eat.

/done it
 
2014-04-10 07:11:43 AM  
As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

www.bitterwallet.com
 
2014-04-10 07:30:32 AM  
A fat woman came into the store today and said she needed something she could be comfortable in. I said, "Try Wyoming!"
 
2014-04-10 07:36:09 AM  
We do pay more.

We have to pay for yours.

/work in a salad once in a while, toots.
 
2014-04-10 07:38:45 AM  
I say nay-nay!

/too soon?
 
2014-04-10 07:39:49 AM  

kbronsito: A fat woman came into the store today and said she needed something she could be comfortable in. I said, "Try Wyoming!"


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 07:41:40 AM  

Mark Ratner: HawgWild: Chicks be fat too, bro ...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x280]


Uhm you are aware that.... You know what nevermind.
 
2014-04-10 07:44:28 AM  
So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.
 
2014-04-10 07:47:12 AM  
Something is doing the telling of me that they do not have the knowledge of the roommate of me. She is quite the bigger person and let me say this to you. All she can have the eating of is the amount which will have to you the utterings of the awe inspiration. I am thinking sketch could put the Brazilion bikin waxing place and the restaurants out of the business.
 
2014-04-10 07:47:44 AM  

reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.


Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...
 
2014-04-10 07:48:34 AM  
The way I look at it is I'm over-paying for my wife to eat at a all-you-can-eat buffet to compensate for the destruction that I do to buffets.

\Yes, I am a fat guy married to a petite, skinny woman... why do you ask?
 
2014-04-10 07:48:47 AM  

Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.


This is true. If you do not wish for the $50 surcharge for being the Black person then do not do the complaints. Just do the eating elsewhere.
 
2014-04-10 07:49:22 AM  
No one eats on a date.
 
2014-04-10 07:49:40 AM  
You been here four hour!
 
2014-04-10 07:49:42 AM  

kbronsito: A fat woman came into the store today and said she needed something she could be comfortable in. I said, "Try Wyoming!"


"How dare you say that to my face!"
"Well I'd say it behind your back but my car's only got half a tank of gas!"

/Al Bundy is my spirit animal
 
2014-04-10 07:49:49 AM  
Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really beleive that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.
 
2014-04-10 07:50:46 AM  

meow said the dog: Something is doing the telling of me that they do not have the knowledge of the roommate of me. She is quite the bigger person and let me say this to you. All she can have the eating of is the amount which will have to you the utterings of the awe inspiration. I am thinking sketch could put the Brazilion bikin waxing place and the restaurants out of the business.


I think the only question that can be asked here is "does she demolish the bathroom"?
 
2014-04-10 07:55:58 AM  
I try to avoid buffets, because I don't eat enough to get my money's worth.
The Girl, on the other hand, goes up for seconds. And desserts.
/She sounds fat
// I will neither confirm nor deny... ~Sigh~
 
2014-04-10 07:56:14 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-10 07:57:36 AM  
I have no problem doing this. Actuarial science is legitimate. If you don't enforce actuary standards, you end up with businesses discouraging certain people from purchasing their products.

However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.
 
2014-04-10 07:57:38 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: meow said the dog: Something is doing the telling of me that they do not have the knowledge of the roommate of me. She is quite the bigger person and let me say this to you. All she can have the eating of is the amount which will have to you the utterings of the awe inspiration. I am thinking sketch could put the Brazilion bikin waxing place and the restaurants out of the business.

I think the only question that can be asked here is "does she demolish the bathroom"?


OM MAGOODNESS you have not the idea of this. I do believe is she had the meal in the buffet of the Brazil at the lower price than the man I would have to do the moving for the week.
 
2014-04-10 07:58:55 AM  

meow said the dog: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.

This is true. If you do not wish for the $50 surcharge for being the Black person then do not do the complaints. Just do the eating elsewhere.


I see you're actively posting again.  Did you get out of prison recently or something?

First of all I would actually prefer to know if the establishment I was eating at was owned by huge bigots so that i could do precisely that but more importantly, being a man is not a protected class under the 1964 CRA (except as it pertains to hiring and compensation) so the point you are driving at is silly.
 
2014-04-10 08:00:53 AM  
Hell, the big joke is the kids prices...

My three skinny ass kids can destroy a buffet by themselves.
 
2014-04-10 08:01:34 AM  
Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.
 
2014-04-10 08:03:28 AM  
media3.giphy.com
 
2014-04-10 08:03:48 AM  

perigee: I try to avoid buffets, because I don't eat enough to get my money's worth.


I generally avoid buffets because:

1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

2) The ones that charge "per item" end up costing through the roof.
 
2014-04-10 08:04:23 AM  

farvour: Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really beleive that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.


In the Us, women don't pay higher health insurance premiums. That's explicitly illegal. Insurance companies can only use age as a rating factor and even there they can't have their highest age rating be more than 3 times the cost of their lowest age rating. Source: ACA
 
2014-04-10 08:06:15 AM  

meanmutton: In the Us, women don't pay higher health insurance premiums. That's explicitly illegal. Insurance companies can only use age as a rating factor and even there they can't have their highest age rating be more than 3 times the cost of their lowest age rating. Source: ACA


Stupid facts ruining all that good self-righteousness....
 
2014-04-10 08:06:38 AM  

media.ticketmaster.com

RIP JOHN PINETTE

 
2014-04-10 08:07:58 AM  

farvour: Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really believe that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.


I'm not sure but I think somehow, in some way, your micro-aggressions are supporting the rape culture.  Check your privilege.

/did I do that right?
 
2014-04-10 08:08:24 AM  

farvour: Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really beleive that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.


I'm not so sure that buffet pricing in Brazil is a huge concern for people that advocate for gender equality.
 
2014-04-10 08:08:29 AM  
Well, now that John Pinette isn't a factor any more, the buffets should actually drop their prices.
 
2014-04-10 08:09:05 AM  

markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).


I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.
 
2014-04-10 08:09:10 AM  

Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.


Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.
 
2014-04-10 08:09:57 AM  
Try Asia.  I can eat when I want to, but if my 5'4 95 pound girlfriend wants to eat she will put me to shame.  We've got a chain called "Big Pizza" here.  Imagine CiCi's or whatever crappy but acceptable pizza buffet, good quality school/hospital cafeteria style food, ice cream, some other stuff, ohh and unlimited beer for about $8 a head.

I love going there, but needless to say I don't eat much.
 
2014-04-10 08:11:05 AM  

vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.


To be fair, they've got to do SOMETHING with that booger. . . .
 
2014-04-10 08:11:15 AM  

smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.


If only ingredients were the only expenses the guy selling you that cup of coffee had... he'd be making a shiatload of profit.

But I am just nitpicking.  Point still stands.
 
2014-04-10 08:11:58 AM  

GORDON: I'm not sure but I think somehow, in some way, your micro-aggressions are supporting the rape culture.  Check your privilege.

/did I do that right?


You forgot "misogyny".
 
2014-04-10 08:12:24 AM  

Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.


Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?
 
2014-04-10 08:12:31 AM  
I'll set my 2 preteen boys loose on that buffet. It scares me how much they can consume.
 
2014-04-10 08:13:15 AM  

GoldSpider: GORDON: I'm not sure but I think somehow, in some way, your micro-aggressions are supporting the rape culture.  Check your privilege.

/did I do that right?

You forgot "misogyny".


And "transphobic".
 
2014-04-10 08:13:17 AM  

GORDON: smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.

If only ingredients were the only expenses the guy selling you that cup of coffee had... he'd be making a shiatload of profit.

But I am just nitpicking.  Point still stands.


I buy my coffee at cumberland farms. Yes, there is some labor overhead but not much. So, that $.10 coffee may cost $.15. Thanks for keeping me honest.
 
2014-04-10 08:14:33 AM  

meanmutton: farvour: Then I suppose I should not feel bad that women pay higher healthcare premiums because they can get pregnant.

Not all men eat more than their women counterparts, just like not all women plan to get pregnant.

So much for gender equality. People who really beleive that will ever be achieved worldwide are deluded.

In the Us, women don't pay higher health insurance premiums. That's explicitly illegal. Insurance companies can only use age as a rating factor and even there they can't have their highest age rating be more than 3 times the cost of their lowest age rating. Source: ACA


Yup but now we are all being forced to pay for stuff we don't need like maternity coverage so it is cheaper for chicks who want to spawn.  It would be like making all of us have to pay for boat insurance , even if we don't own a  boat, so it is cheaper for boat owners. Or how about higher auto insurance rates on teenage girls to make insurance cheaper for teenage boys.
 
2014-04-10 08:15:14 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?


They could make up the $170 difference by letting them drink out of the same water fountains. Having to support separate fountains is very costly.
 
2014-04-10 08:15:45 AM  
Baloney! My ex is a fat ass and she can eat twice as much as I can! In fact she used to always joke that I eat like a bird! Maybe that's why I can still where the same clothes I wore when I was in high school (that I graduated from twenty years ago) and she can't wear the same clothes she bought last year!
 
2014-04-10 08:16:26 AM  

vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.


#1 Rule with kids and buffets or group dining -
If you touch it you've got to take it.
 
2014-04-10 08:16:49 AM  
18 year old women should register for the draft like men. End the discrimination Obama!
 
2014-04-10 08:16:58 AM  

smoky2010: GORDON: smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.

If only ingredients were the only expenses the guy selling you that cup of coffee had... he'd be making a shiatload of profit.

But I am just nitpicking.  Point still stands.

I buy my coffee at cumberland farms. Yes, there is some labor overhead but not much. So, that $.10 coffee may cost $.15. Thanks for keeping me honest.


I don't know what a cumberland farms is.  If I did you might have swayed me.  But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.
 
2014-04-10 08:17:20 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: [media.ticketmaster.com image 305x225]

RIP JOHN PINETTE


Every time I make a salad I have to say "Salad? I'm starving!"

/I know. I sound fat.
 
2014-04-10 08:17:21 AM  

The Muthaship: meanmutton: In the Us, women don't pay higher health insurance premiums. That's explicitly illegal. Insurance companies can only use age as a rating factor and even there they can't have their highest age rating be more than 3 times the cost of their lowest age rating. Source: ACA

Stupid facts ruining all that good self-righteousness....


I think you both missed the sarcasm in the statement regarding women paying higher health care premiums.
 
2014-04-10 08:17:23 AM  
kmsp.images.worldnow.com

Begs to differ.
 
2014-04-10 08:17:43 AM  
The authorette sounds fat.

The Atlantic is getting more and more like Salon
 
2014-04-10 08:18:49 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Muthaship: meanmutton: In the Us, women don't pay higher health insurance premiums. That's explicitly illegal. Insurance companies can only use age as a rating factor and even there they can't have their highest age rating be more than 3 times the cost of their lowest age rating. Source: ACA

Stupid facts ruining all that good self-righteousness....

I think you both missed the sarcasm in the statement regarding women paying higher health care premiums.


And, the person completely missed the point of why peeps were mentioning health care premiums, was self righteous about it, then erroneously accused those other people of being self righteous.  It really is a glorious post.
 
2014-04-10 08:19:09 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I think you both missed the sarcasm in the statement regarding women paying higher health care premiums.


I think that may have been due to its absence.
 
2014-04-10 08:20:39 AM  
Subby clearly hasn't met my wife and her sisters. They can bankrupt a buffet.
 
2014-04-10 08:22:26 AM  
As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.
 
2014-04-10 08:22:49 AM  

Molavian: As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.


Also rape culture.
 
2014-04-10 08:23:02 AM  

GORDON: smoky2010: GORDON: smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.

If only ingredients were the only expenses the guy selling you that cup of coffee had... he'd be making a shiatload of profit.

But I am just nitpicking.  Point still stands.

I buy my coffee at cumberland farms. Yes, there is some labor overhead but not much. So, that $.10 coffee may cost $.15. Thanks for keeping me honest.

I don't know what a cumberland farms is.  If I did you might have swayed me.  But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.


It a regional convenience store / gas station. If you would like to learn more, go to google, type "Cumberland Farms" into the search bar and press enter.

\The more you know!
 
2014-04-10 08:23:29 AM  

The Muthaship: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I think you both missed the sarcasm in the statement regarding women paying higher health care premiums.

I think that may have been due to its absence.


You need to check your detector.
 
2014-04-10 08:24:05 AM  
Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"
 
2014-04-10 08:24:25 AM  

Molavian: As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.


You forgot to check your cishet privilege, shiatlord!
 
2014-04-10 08:24:39 AM  

Tommy Moo: I have no problem doing this. Actuarial science is legitimate. If you don't enforce actuary standards, you end up with businesses discouraging certain people from purchasing their products.

However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.


but equul rites dood!!!11

People have their head up their ass if they truly think the world will ever be equal based on gender.

not saying we shouldn't try, but when people go and write stupid shiat like this article it makes me second guess why bother trying.
 
2014-04-10 08:24:42 AM  
Every time something like this comes up I flash back to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"
 
2014-04-10 08:24:54 AM  
Go be fat somewhere else.
 
2014-04-10 08:25:37 AM  

GORDON: Molavian: As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.

Also rape culture.


And testosterone poisoning.
 
2014-04-10 08:26:57 AM  
img.fark.net
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do these sound like the actions of a man whose had ALL he could eat?"

/'Tis no man. 'Tis a remorseless eatin' machine!
 
2014-04-10 08:27:03 AM  

smoky2010: It a regional convenience store / gas station. If you would like to learn more, go to google, type "Cumberland Farms" into the search bar and press enter.

\The more you know!


Do you get paid every time you say "Cumberland Farms" or something?
 
2014-04-10 08:27:22 AM  

reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

[www.bitterwallet.com image 410x308]


Shady Maple?

/love their spiced blood "stuff"
 
2014-04-10 08:27:52 AM  

Lokkii: Every time something like this comes up I flash back to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"


Because women, like men, also know how to work the double standard system.

See? We have equality with intelligence after all.
 
2014-04-10 08:28:30 AM  
Some Japanese buffets have similar pricing policies with men paying a few hundred yen more than women.  It was a little odd when I first saw it but, honestly, I see far more shocking things than this on my way to work in the morning.
 
2014-04-10 08:31:02 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: smoky2010: It a regional convenience store / gas station. If you would like to learn more, go to google, type "Cumberland Farms" into the search bar and press enter.

\The more you know!

Do you get paid every time you say "Cumberland Farms" or something?


Yes! My real last name is Cumberland, and I live on a farm.
 
2014-04-10 08:31:14 AM  
Yeah, no. My wife isn't fat but can put away way more food than I can.
 
2014-04-10 08:31:41 AM  

smoky2010: GORDON: smoky2010: GORDON: smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.

If only ingredients were the only expenses the guy selling you that cup of coffee had... he'd be making a shiatload of profit.

But I am just nitpicking.  Point still stands.

I buy my coffee at cumberland farms. Yes, there is some labor overhead but not much. So, that $.10 coffee may cost $.15. Thanks for keeping me honest.

I don't know what a cumberland farms is.  If I did you might have swayed me.  But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.

It a regional convenience store / gas station. If you would like to learn more, go to google, type "Cumberland Farms" into the search bar and press enter.

\The more you know!


So in order to get a good cup of coffee, the first step is to create a gas station called cumberland farms, and that is really inexpensive.... nevermind.  Too tired to continue trolling.  Gonna go get some of the "free" coffee supplied by my employer.

Thanks for playing. ;-)
 
2014-04-10 08:32:01 AM  

Tommy Moo: However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.


Women don't make less money than men for doing the same work, women choose to work fewer hours or do different work. In fact, if you look at the cohort of young, urban, never married, college graduates women currently outearn men by a significant margin.

The wage gap is a myth.
 
2014-04-10 08:32:39 AM  

Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.


....for that matter, these laws requiring businesses to serve those them thar dark people are BS too!
 
2014-04-10 08:34:01 AM  

farvour: Because women, like men, also know how to work the double standard system.

See? We have equality with intelligence after all.


I think you misspelled hypocrisy.
 
2014-04-10 08:35:16 AM  

Omnis_evil_twin: Some Japanese buffets have similar pricing policies with men paying a few hundred yen more than women.  It was a little odd when I first saw it but, honestly, I see far more shocking things than this on my way to work in the morning.


Truthfully I could care less if I had to pay more for food based on my gender. I already went through that years ago with car insurance as an early 20s gentleman. I think things even out in the end and for every service you provide and charge a man more for, there is another charging women more for. The only thing is the hardcore feminists seem to be OK with this point of view, but anything that makes them pay more than a man for then they get their snuggs in a bundle and claim mysogyny and "womens rights."

It is a double standard and it wont go away from either sex for as long as we continue to procreate.
 
2014-04-10 08:35:31 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?


yeah, the race card already came up.
Personally i for one think a business should be able to do that...how long do you think a business would last doing that?
i'd rather know if i'm doing business with a bigot or not.

that being said,  race is a protected class.  Gender is protected in terms of wages and hiring practices.
Every now and then you read a story of places cracking down (or trying to crack down) on pricing structures based on gender.

how far do you take it?  Should hairdressers not be allowed charge different rates for women or men?  should they be barred from catering to only one gender?  should half-off drinks/cover charges for women be illegal?

what about kid prices?  age is a protected class.

how much intrusion in the name of "for your own good" should we tolerate?

Obviously this is a philosophical exercise,  i don't really see a huge problem with banning
Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200


but while i'm not sure where that bright line is - i definitely think it's to the left of "it's illegal to charge men more for all you can eat"
 
2014-04-10 08:36:30 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-10 08:36:53 AM  
As long as their is no putting your dick in the mashed potatoes tariff, I think I can live with this.
 
2014-04-10 08:37:33 AM  
o.onionstatic.com
 
2014-04-10 08:38:01 AM  

Pinko_Commie: [img.fark.net image 454x341]
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do these sound like the actions of a man whose had ALL he could eat?"

/'Tis no man. 'Tis a remorseless eatin' machine!


That could have been me!
 
2014-04-10 08:40:07 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tommy Moo: However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance, then let's stop whining about women making slightly less money because it costs their employers more to provide health insurance for them.

Women don't make less money than men for doing the same work, women choose to work fewer hours or do different work. In fact, if you look at the cohort of young, urban, never married, college graduates women currently outearn men by a significant margin.

The wage gap is a myth.


"Women abuse children more often than men do (with a hugely disproportionate amount of it meted out to male children). They're also statistically more likely to the first ones to take a swing in instances of domestic violence. Also, the biggest predictor of anorexia in young women is the presence of a mother who is critical of her daughter's physical appearance."

"Um. . . What are 'Issues feminists never address,' Alex?"
 
2014-04-10 08:40:28 AM  

Pathman: Personally i for one think a business should be able to do that...how long do you think a business would last doing that?


I live in Arkansas. In some parts of this state it would last a long farking time.

Pathman: Should hairdressers not be allowed charge different rates for women or men?


Hairdressers charge based on what you're getting done. If you have long hair and are getting a cut and color you're paying $50. If you want "The Don Draper", you're paying $25.

Pathman: but while i'm not sure where that bright line is - i definitely think it's to the left of "it's illegal to charge men more for all you can eat"


Why is that? You've made the assertion but haven't backed it up with evidence or argument.
 
2014-04-10 08:40:57 AM  

Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.


mjfellright.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-10 08:41:24 AM  

Pathman: Should hairdressers not be allowed charge different rates for women or men?


white or black hair?
Because that is a difference.
 
2014-04-10 08:43:36 AM  
Came for John Pinette.  Leaving satiated, yet sad.

/Why you eat spare rib?  Eat vegetable!
 
2014-04-10 08:43:56 AM  
The war on buffets has begun. I've been telling you fat farks for years, that once they got the smokers subdued, your chunky asses were next.
 
2014-04-10 08:44:35 AM  

skinink: You been here four hour!


And we're done here
 
2014-04-10 08:46:46 AM  

GORDON: But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.


Unless you're running a coffee/donut shop, if the revenue generated from the $1 coffee you provide in the lobby has a significant impact on any of those balance sheet items......you're doing it wrong.
 
2014-04-10 08:48:21 AM  
TheShavingofOccam123:"Salad? I'm starving!"


Don't read that in John Pinette's voice.

/oops
 
2014-04-10 08:49:38 AM  

vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.


CSB time:

When my (now in his 30's) stepson was about 8, we were at a buffet.  Imagine my horror when I saw him take the spoon from a pan with a sample of the food on it, lick it, and start to return it to the pan.  I never knew I could put down my plate in a safe place, grab his hand, his plate, the spoon, shove them behind me out of the way then grab the pan out of the buffet slot (yes, it was incredibly hot, but I wasn't thinking of that) so that no one could touch it.  Of course I flagged down the nearest waitstaff I could and explained, and apologized, and they promptly replaced the pan with new food.

One of the many times our children can make up move faster than we ever thought possible.

We had a talk over dinner about how that was just not what you did in a public place.

/CSB
 
2014-04-10 08:51:56 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.

CSB time:

When my (now in his 30's) stepson was about 8, we were at a buffet.  Imagine my horror when I saw him take the spoon from a pan with a sample of the food on it, lick it, and start to return it to the pan.  I never knew I could put down my plate in a safe place, grab his hand, his plate, the spoon, shove them behind me out of the way then grab the pan out of the buffet slot (yes, it was incredibly hot, but I wasn't thinking of that) so that no one could touch it.  Of course I flagged down the nearest waitstaff I could and explained, and apologized, and they promptly replaced the pan with new food.

One of the many times our children can make up move faster than we ever thought possible.

We had a talk over dinner about how that was just not what you did in a public place.

/CSB


Please, have more children. Or at least take a few from some average parents.
 
2014-04-10 08:54:22 AM  

Two16: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.

[mjfellright.files.wordpress.com image 600x679]


hey, i can do that too!
bitterbananas.com
 
2014-04-10 08:56:20 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: Personally i for one think a business should be able to do that...how long do you think a business would last doing that?

I live in Arkansas. In some parts of this state it would last a long farking time.

Pathman: Should hairdressers not be allowed charge different rates for women or men?

Hairdressers charge based on what you're getting done. If you have long hair and are getting a cut and color you're paying $50. If you want "The Don Draper", you're paying $25.

Pathman: but while i'm not sure where that bright line is - i definitely think it's to the left of "it's illegal to charge men more for all you can eat"

Why is that? You've made the assertion but haven't backed it up with evidence or argument.



evidence? it's an opinion, it doesn't require "evidence"
my argument is that if you own something, you should be able to charge what you want for it.  That's one of the privileges of ownership.  this isn't batteries in a flood, restaurants provide and extremely elastic service.  if you don't like their prices, eat somewhere else.

I am sure you're right and some restaurants would do well if they declared themselves "whites only"
that's sad...

as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?
 
2014-04-10 08:58:53 AM  

markfara: Please, have more children. Or at least take a few from some average parents.


:-)  I don't have the patience anymore, I've grown old and cranky.

But thank you for the compliment.  I think there are still far more good parents than poor ones, but like everything else, you really notice the poor ones.
 
2014-04-10 09:00:59 AM  

markfara: perigee: I try to avoid buffets, because I don't eat enough to get my money's worth.

I generally avoid buffets because:

1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

2) The ones that charge "per item" end up costing through the roof.


3. I married a woman who can cook and now all buffets look like nasty fried d food left out way too long.
 
2014-04-10 09:01:57 AM  

meow said the dog: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.
As it were i'm pretty sure they already have a price structure for people that eat different amounts - it's called the menu.

this article has click-bait written all over it.

This is true. If you do not wish for the $50 surcharge for being the Black person then do not do the complaints. Just do the eating elsewhere.


Yep.  Also, make sure to tell everyone you know so we can all boycott a place that does that.
 
Skr
2014-04-10 09:03:38 AM  
Well unless they have a "Take only what you will Eat, Eat everything you Take" sign, then the male female thing is off base. Many people, of either gender, take a large variety of food, nibble, and trash the rest. More food is wasted that way than the difference between male and female patrons, I'd guess.
 
2014-04-10 09:04:27 AM  

Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.


You monster! Clearly what you are doing is worse than the Holocaust.
 
2014-04-10 09:05:22 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?


Moron.
 
2014-04-10 09:08:13 AM  

pedrop357: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?

Moron.


This is the most compelling argument I've ever heard.
 
2014-04-10 09:08:42 AM  
Ladies night at the club would be fair if it were actually a buffet.
 
2014-04-10 09:14:11 AM  
jehovahs witness protection:

Hey you!  *waves*
 
2014-04-10 09:14:19 AM  
Have a scale at the door.  Everybody who comes in has to be weighed, then the buffet charges by the pound.  Then buffet monitors will be stationed along the buffet table, making sure that patrons take the proper mix of expensive proteins and cheaper vegetables and starches.  Patrons must then wait until their table is  bussed before they can leave and surtaxes will be charged for food left on the plate.  While the patrons are dining, the computerized POS system would do background checks.  Additional amounts would be charged to those who are too wealthy, while rebates would be offered to those who are on SNAP programs or other public assistance.   If they could tie into your medical records, they could also advise you on which dishes you should eat, how  much of each and whether or not you were qualified to make a trip to the dessert table.

At least that's how a bureaucrat would set it up.
 
2014-04-10 09:17:49 AM  

smoky2010: Nogale: Businesses aren't, or shouldn't be, stupid. They know how to set prices to cover a profit that changes slightly from customer to customer.

I have long, extremely thick wavy hair. When I go to get it colored, my hairdresser has to use more product than he does with other clients. He doesn't charge me more.

Your hairdresser doesn't charge you as he is overcharging everyone. You're just using closer to what you are paying for.

This is the same way my coffee place affords to give me a free coffee once in a while. I'm paying $1 for a cup, cream, sugar and coffee that only costs about $.10 to produce.


I drink my coffee black. I'm subsidizing the cost of those 4 creams and 8 sugars I see people use at McDonald's

That's fine with me. Establish a fair price. If I don't agree it's fair, I won't shop there.

Selective pricing leads to too many subjective decisions.
 
2014-04-10 09:21:11 AM  
What? The whole idea of a buffet is that it is all you can eat for a flat price. Some people can eat more than others. End of story.

Favorite guilty pleasure of mine: Asian buffet sushi rolls. I KNOW I'm going to get really sick from eating them sometime, but they're so good in a bad way....
 
2014-04-10 09:22:06 AM  
Just make everyone get weighed before and after and charge em by the pound.
 
2014-04-10 09:23:08 AM  

markfara: CSB time:

When my (now in his 30's) stepson was about 8, we were at a buffet.  Imagine my horror when I saw him take the spoon from a pan with a sample of the food on it, lick it, and start to return it to the pan.  I never knew I could put down my plate in a safe place, grab his hand, his plate, the spoon, shove them behind me out of the way then grab the pan out of the buffet slot (yes, it was incredibly hot, but I wasn't thinking of that) so that no one could touch it.  Of course I flagged down the nearest waitstaff I could and explained, and apologized, and they promptly replaced the pan with new food.

One of the many times our children can make up move faster than we ever thought possible.

We had a talk over dinner about how that was just not what you did in a public place.

/CSB


Please, have more children. Or at least take a few from some average parents.


Only to be undone by the kitchen staff who just stirred in fresh food into the pan and took it back out later.  Who may have considered themselves handling the situation well, because they replaced the spoon and didn't let the same customers see it.
 
2014-04-10 09:27:18 AM  

Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?


/csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb
 
2014-04-10 09:27:50 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.

CSB time:

When my (now in his 30's) stepson was about 8, we were at a buffet.  Imagine my horror when I saw him take the spoon from a pan with a sample of the food on it, lick it, and start to return it to the pan.  I never knew I could put down my plate in a safe place, grab his hand, his plate, the spoon, shove them behind me out of the way then grab the pan out of the buffet slot (yes, it was incredibly hot, but I wasn't thinking of that) so that no one could touch it.  Of course I flagged down the nearest waitstaff I could and explained, and apologized, and they promptly replaced the pan with new food.

One of the many times our children can make up move faster than we ever thought possible.

We had a talk over dinner about how that was just not what you did in a public place.

/CSB


I used to work in a buffet.  I've seen far worse things from grown ass adults.

-Spatula licking.
-Using the dressing ladles for everything in the salad bar.  Chocolate pudding drizzled with Ranch. Creamy Cesar infused jello.
-After complaining that the plates fresh from the washer were damp customers would wipe them across the seat of their pants.
-Scratching their face with spatulas.  Also, picking pimples with cards.
-Using their bare hands to dish out food.  No, not pizza.  Fruit cocktail.  Salad.  Vegetable slices.  Dip.
-Dropping full plates or glasses and just...walking away.
-Touching every single piece of fruit/cake/pizza until finding that magical one they could commit to.

And don't even get me started on the piece of shiat parents that go to kaiten sushi and let their kids sit counter side touching and dripping their noses over each plate.
 
2014-04-10 09:29:48 AM  

Pathman: evidence? it's an opinion, it doesn't require "evidence"


Personally, I like there to be a reason that I believe things to be true. When asked "why do you believe that" I like to be able to point to some evidence or a line of reasoning that supports the opinion resulting in better outcomes. But then I was raised to critically examine just about everything so I don't walk around saying dumb assed shiat and have to fall back on "it's just my opinion" when called on it.

Pathman: I am sure you're right and some restaurants would do well if they declared themselves "whites only"
that's sad...


In some parts of the South you could run a successful chain of restaurants named "No Darkies". That is why letting people set discriminatory pricing is and should be illegal.

Odd bit of trivia since we're discussing vaguely racist restaraunts: The only Sambos restaurant left is in Santa Barbara, CA. It's right on the water and is infinitely better than Dennys when you have a hangover

Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.


In the hairdresser example, you are charged for the service you requested not based on gender. If buffets charged by the serving (and some do) nobody would have a problem with it because the cost is based on what you eat rather than who you are. The difference is being charged for the service you actually consume rather than based on a stereotype and trust me, women eating less than men is absolutely a stereotype. While women in some age groups may eat fewer calories than men in the same age group, the cost of food preparation isn't based in its calorie content.

Pathman: Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?


Clearly you missed my point entirely. If a woman chooses to get a high and tight, should she be charged for a cut and color? What about a man who wants frosted tips? Hairdressers charge based on the cut your getting, not what you've got between your legs. In the same way, buffets should charge based on the service they are providing to the individual rather than whether that person has external genitalia or not. 

.
 
2014-04-10 09:34:54 AM  
This seems penny-wise and pound-foolish, as the saying goes.
 
2014-04-10 09:36:03 AM  

ckccfa


I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine). My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me. When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries. I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did. According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine." I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again. At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done. This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female. Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.


*boggle*

You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?
 
2014-04-10 09:37:56 AM  

Mr. Right: Have a scale at the door.  Everybody who comes in has to be weighed, then the buffet charges by the pound.  Then buffet monitors will be stationed along the buffet table, making sure that patrons take the proper mix of expensive proteins and cheaper vegetables and starches.  Patrons must then wait until their table is  bussed before they can leave and surtaxes will be charged for food left on the plate.  While the patrons are dining, the computerized POS system would do background checks.  Additional amounts would be charged to those who are too wealthy, while rebates would be offered to those who are on SNAP programs or other public assistance.   If they could tie into your medical records, they could also advise you on which dishes you should eat, how  much of each and whether or not you were qualified to make a trip to the dessert table.

At least that's how a bureaucrat would set it up.


Or an IT person.  Can I send you my business card?
 
2014-04-10 09:38:01 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?


Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?
 
2014-04-10 09:38:31 AM  

Omnis_evil_twin: I used to work in a buffet.  I've seen far worse things from grown ass adults.


Oh I know!  I did my years in food service.  A couple of the restaurants I worked in had full buffets, most just salad bars, but everything you listed and more, yep it happens all the time.

And I hope that the server I alerted didn't just do the "stir and return", but if they did at least I know the spoon was clean because I took that back to our table and deposited it in the dirty utensil dish myself.

If I could have all the rolls/bread I've seen dropped on the floor, picked up and put back on the buffet in lieu of another one, I could build a yeasty, buttery house of goodness.
 
2014-04-10 09:41:59 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.
 
2014-04-10 09:44:17 AM  
We're supposed to believe that women don't deserve to pay equally because they cannot eat equally, but they do deserve equal pay because they can work equally?

Do I smell a disconnect?

I keed..
 
2014-04-10 09:44:30 AM  
gallery20110908.derekweber.com


/rip funnyfatman
 
2014-04-10 09:45:21 AM  
I'm a man, and every buffet in the world is wasted on me.

I don't just eat less than the average man, I eat less than the average woman. So according to the author, being male means I should pay more, even though I actually eat far less. Capital idea, author.

I put food on my plate at a buffet like I'm at home and can save the leftovers; and I still never finish a plate at a buffet.
 
2014-04-10 09:45:34 AM  

dikkcor28: and unlimited beer for about $8 a head.


28.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-10 09:45:36 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo


Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.
 
2014-04-10 09:47:45 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: If I could have all the rolls/bread I've seen dropped on the floor, picked up and put back on the buffet in lieu of another one, I could build a yeasty, buttery house of goodness


I think most anyone who has worked in the food service industry, whether it be the local greasy spoon or a 3 star Michelin restaurant, could tell stories that would curl your hair and curdle your stomach.
 
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2014-04-10 09:48:16 AM  
This is just an not-too-subtle allegory for the healthcare act, isn't it?
 
2014-04-10 09:48:52 AM  

Omnis_evil_twin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.

CSB time:

When my (now in his 30's) stepson was about 8, we were at a buffet.  Imagine my horror when I saw him take the spoon from a pan with a sample of the food on it, lick it, and start to return it to the pan.  I never knew I could put down my plate in a safe place, grab his hand, his plate, the spoon, shove them behind me out of the way then grab the pan out of the buffet slot (yes, it was incredibly hot, but I wasn't thinking of that) so that no one could touch it.  Of course I flagged down the nearest waitstaff I could and explained, and apologized, and they promptly replaced the pan with new food.

One of the many times our children can make up move faster than we ever thought possible.

We had a talk over dinner about how that was just not what you did in a public place.

/CSB

I used to work in a buffet.  I've seen far worse things from grown ass adults.

-Spatula licking.
-Using the dressing ladles for everything in the salad bar.  Chocolate pudding drizzled with Ranch. Creamy Cesar infused jello.
-After complaining that the plates fresh from the washer were damp customers would wipe them across the seat of their pants.
-Scratching their face with spatulas.  Also, picking pimples with cards.
-Using their bare hands to dish out food.  No, not pizza.  Fruit cocktail.  Salad.  Vegetable slices.  Dip.
-Dropping full plates or glasses and just...walking away.
-Touching every single piece of fruit/cake/pizza until finding that magical one they could commit to.

And don't even get me started on the piece of shiat parents that go to kaiten sushi and let their kids sit counter side touching and drip ...


When I took my dog for a walk yesterday, a bunch of kids ran up to us. One of them was just covered in blue chalk, and got my dog filthy with it. I yelled at him "What are you doing? You're getting blue all over my dog!" and the kid just laughed with a Nelson-like "Ha-Ha."

On the way back home I saw that little kid running up to him and I just got the sternest look I could muster, pointed at him, and yelled "Stay. Away."

Little kid looked like he got hit by a truck with how quickly he stopped running after me.
 
2014-04-10 09:48:58 AM  

markfara: perigee: I try to avoid buffets, because I don't eat enough to get my money's worth.

I generally avoid buffets because:

1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

2) The ones that charge "per item" end up costing through the roof.


This.  Don't touch my food.  How much do you really need to eat?  It comes out about the same as if you went to a regular restaurant and had one menu item.
 
2014-04-10 09:50:06 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.


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2014-04-10 09:53:28 AM  

LavenderWolf: When I took my dog for a walk yesterday, a bunch of kids ran up to us. One of them was just covered in blue chalk, and got my dog filthy with it. I yelled at him "What are you doing? You're getting blue all over my dog!" and the kid just laughed with a Nelson-like "Ha-Ha."

On the way back home I saw that little kid running up to him and I just got the sternest look I could muster, pointed at him, and yelled "Stay. Away."

Little kid looked like he got hit by a truck with how quickly he stopped running after me.


This felt like a non sequitur to me, but I enjoyed your anecdote nevertheless.
 
2014-04-10 09:54:26 AM  

ckccfa: Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.


that might be the best fark story i've ever read.
so awesome

you are 100% right.  i hope nobody thinks i am or ever would approve of this kind of stupidity - i'm just not convinced it should be regulated by the government.

i also want to be clear it's not something i'm out in the street protesting either, it's just fun to talk about.
 
2014-04-10 09:55:22 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?


He's not suggesting different prices for different people, he's suggesting the same price for everyone.  Do you see where your assertion falls apart?
 
2014-04-10 09:55:40 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Monkeyhouse Zendo

Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.


Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut.  Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.
 
2014-04-10 09:55:42 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.


I understood the story. There are a thousand places to get your hair cut and if I had to argue with the staff in order to not be charged for a service I didn't receive the first time I patronized the place, that is sufficient reason to find someplace else and never go back. I'm not speaking for  ckccfa but I suspect she's of a similar mind.
 
2014-04-10 09:56:09 AM  
My son eats like he's at a trough, so I gyess it's not bad for him. My wife and I do eschew buffets, opting for more traditional restaurants, unlike those "Tough and brew" types. MY son, when he eats, sounds like it did when I used to slop the hogs.
 
2014-04-10 09:56:31 AM  

tricycleracer: dikkcor28: and unlimited beer for about $8 a head.

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It's pretty Bud/Coors light-esque so you have to pee a lot.  Still worth it.  And they don't do the whole "you here __ hours" thing (at least to non-Asians) so you have plenty of time.
 
2014-04-10 09:58:41 AM  

FLMountainMan: He's not suggesting different prices for different people, he's suggesting the same price for everyone.  Do you see where your assertion falls apart?


Did you miss that he's supporting charging men and women different prices? How the fark is that the same price for everyone?
 
2014-04-10 10:01:49 AM  
Seems like the author's point was that, "If they charge me less for a buffet, I'm going to feel pressured to eat less and I don't want to feel guilty, so charge me the same price."

If you walk into an all-you-can-eat buffet, you should have no shame in the first place, so I don't see the problem.
 
2014-04-10 10:03:20 AM  

Pathman: ckccfa: Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.

that might be the best fark story i've ever read.
so awesome

you are 100% right.  i hope nobody thinks i am or ever would approve of this kind of stupidity - i'm just not convinced it should be regulated by the government.

i also want to be clear it's not something i'm out in the street protesting either, it's just fun to talk about.


I actually did say the word ovaries, and the look on that woman's face when I did was priceless.  She seemed just so flabbergasted and put upon that I was arguing.
I was shocked, that in a liberal college city like mine (New Haven), that they apparently hadn't had this problem before.


I think, in terms of fair pricing for important things like food and gas and other necessaries, that government intervention unfortunately winds up being the best option for the greatest amount of people.  Sure, in big cities and high-pop areas you have a lot of options, and the market can do a lot of its own correcting.  But you get into some smaller towns and more remotes places, and you can have a real problem.
 
2014-04-10 10:03:46 AM  

Pangea: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.

[teamshocker.com image 311x180]


The filter logic is sloppy and what one would expect from a Programming 101 student. Fark also implemented a change to the layout which is not reflected in the Preview making the Preview largely useless for anything other than checking whether an image will load. But yeah, I'm the one with the problem for pointing out the flaws, fark me right?
 
2014-04-10 10:05:09 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Englebert Slaptyback: The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.

I understood the story. There are a thousand places to get your hair cut and if I had to argue with the staff in order to not be charged for a service I didn't receive the first time I patronized the place, that is sufficient reason to find someplace else and never go back. I'm not speaking for  ckccfa but I suspect she's of a similar mind.


Pretty much.  The next place I went to wound up giving me the best hair cut of my life, and for only $15 dollars, so maybe I should send the first place a "thank you" card.
 
2014-04-10 10:05:19 AM  

Molavian: As a straight white male I'm completely used to paying more than everyone else for the same things, but I'm told that's ok due to the straight white male privilege I enjoy.


You sound privileged.

/pinkish hued male
 
2014-04-10 10:06:46 AM  

Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"


Men are stronger.  Because Biology.
 
2014-04-10 10:08:58 AM  
Monkeyhouse Zendo:

Personally, I like there to be a reason that I believe things to be true. When asked "why do you believe that" I like to be able to point to some evidence or a line of reasoning that supports the opinion resulting in better outcomes. But then I was raised to critically examine just about everything so I don't walk around saying dumb assed shiat and have to fall back on "it's just my opinion" when called on it.


yikes - you seem particularly dedicated to being nasty to me over this issue.  i'm sorry you disagree but this is a fairly benign topic to be rude about.

I told you "why i believe that"
because i think you should be able to charge whatever you want for something you own.  obviously there are legal, ethical and moral exceptions.  but that's the support for my argument that you accused me of not having.  i'm not sure i'd conflate evidence with support as they're not necessarily the same thing.

and i didn't miss your point entirely.
" If a woman chooses to get a high and tight, should she be charged for a cut and color?  "
she shouldn't.  I agree with you.
but here's the thing - what you should do and what you should be legally forced to do are two different things.
So I'm not sure i agree that it should be illegal for that establishment to try and charge a woman more simply because she's a woman.

If a glass of lemonade costs $0.01 to make, why should i be charged $100 if some kid sets that as his price at his lemonade stand?
I shouldn't.  Should that kid be legally barred from trying to charge me too much?  Does it matter WHY he was trying to charge me too much?

In my opinion, hate anddiscrimination are bad for business.   i'm not an anarchist - it would appear that there are places where government needs to step in which is why i conceded your point about the race example.  you're not going to catch me protesting for the right of some klansman to have a "whites only"restaurant for example.


you are aware that you can argue with people on the internet without being rude, right?
 
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2014-04-10 10:09:03 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


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2014-04-10 10:11:12 AM  

ckccfa


Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut. Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.


Fair enough, but on the flip side maybe all the managers would do the same and the stylist you had was the outlier. Of course there's no way to know that without additional visits but it doesn't look like a huge risk. Then again, you could confirm the price before getting the haircut and avoid any potential headache.

Also, the "unnecessary effort" statement - do you hear yourself? A conversation that took one minute, maximum, and got the desired result doesn't really appear to be effort but people see things differently.
 
2014-04-10 10:13:03 AM  

symptomoftheuniverse: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...


I know...you would expect an abacus.  They're pretty modern now, but I grew up as they were transitioning. You would walk into a store, and they would come in.  Power up the cash register.  Do you transaction.  Power it down.  Go figure.
 
2014-04-10 10:14:11 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


Men are, on average, significantly stronger than women (it turns out that the upper/lower body thing is BS). Because sexual dimorphism.

The other side of that coin is that two women are, one average, stronger than one man so relegating lifting heavy objects to the man can't be supported on the grounds that he is individually stronger. Team lift for the win.
 
2014-04-10 10:14:30 AM  

Sasquach: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

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Shady Maple?

/love their spiced blood "stuff"


That was one of them!

Now that I think about it. There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?  Sort of a family restaurant place where you could watch cartoons on an old school 3 bulb projector. They gave you popcorn too.  Loved that place.
 
2014-04-10 10:14:55 AM  

svanmeter: draft


If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?
 
2014-04-10 10:15:34 AM  
ckccfa:

I think, in terms of fair pricing for important things like food and gas and other necessaries, that government intervention unfortunately winds up being the best option for the greatest amount of people.  Sure, in big cities and high-pop areas you have a lot of options, and the market can do a lot of its own correcting.  But you get into some smaller towns and more remotes places, and you can have a real problem.

sure - those are inelastic goods and for better or worse we have price-gouging laws that apply to those situations in most places.

i'm not sure i'd be as comfortable taking this position if, for example, they were refusing to hire you because you're gay or trying to pay you less.  the law extends a higher duty of care with an employer employee relationship as there is arguably less choice when it comes to finding a job  but since you could make many of the same arguments i'm making against the pricing structure to justify them doing precisely that, making a distinction between those two things would be a fiction on my part so obviously this is a subjective call.
 
2014-04-10 10:16:16 AM  

reprobate1125: symptomoftheuniverse: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...

I know...you would expect an abacus.  They're pretty modern now, but I grew up as they were transitioning. You would walk into a store, and they would come in.  Power up the cash register.  Do you transaction.  Power it down.  Go figure.


everybody hates math, even the Amish
;-p
 
2014-04-10 10:24:00 AM  

Pathman: yikes - you seem particularly dedicated to being nasty to me over this issue.  i'm sorry you disagree but this is a fairly benign topic to be rude about.


I have a problem with "it's just an opinion" as an excuse for shallow thinking. It isn't you in particular, I'm always an asshole when it comes up.

Pathman: because i think you should be able to charge whatever you want for something you own.


And I agree with you. What I disagree with is setting the price based on the buyer which is what we're talking about. I absolutely believe that someone should be free to set the price for their goods and services with the caveat that it is the same price for all purchasers.

Pathman: If a glass of lemonade costs $0.01 to make, why should i be charged $100 if some kid sets that as his price at his lemonade stand?
I shouldn't.  Should that kid be legally barred from trying to charge me too much?  Does it matter WHY he was trying to charge me too much?


Here's where we diverge, I don't have a problem with that kid charging $100 for a glass of lemonade provided that he charges everyone $100 for a glass of lemonade.
 
2014-04-10 10:25:57 AM  

Pangea: LavenderWolf: When I took my dog for a walk yesterday, a bunch of kids ran up to us. One of them was just covered in blue chalk, and got my dog filthy with it. I yelled at him "What are you doing? You're getting blue all over my dog!" and the kid just laughed with a Nelson-like "Ha-Ha."

On the way back home I saw that little kid running up to him and I just got the sternest look I could muster, pointed at him, and yelled "Stay. Away."

Little kid looked like he got hit by a truck with how quickly he stopped running after me.

This felt like a non sequitur to me, but I enjoyed your anecdote nevertheless.


Yeah I do that sometimes.

One of my favourite things to do is to make a pages-long response to a simple one-line post on Reddit.
 
2014-04-10 10:26:06 AM  

reprobate1125: There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?


OH the memories!  I loved the Ground Round when I lived in St. Louis.  It was on Lindbergh if I remember correctly.  It's long gone now though.
 
2014-04-10 10:28:12 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Women got the big handbags taking what they can't eat.

/done it


This.  My mom had a huge purse when I was a kid.
 
2014-04-10 10:29:15 AM  

Pangea: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.

[teamshocker.com image 311x180]


Farking HILARIOUS!
 
2014-04-10 10:31:06 AM  

deadlyplatypus: svanmeter: draft

If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?


He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

While we do not currently have a draft and it is unlikely that we will have one in the future, the underlying assumption is that only men will be conscripted if a draft is needed. For reference, this is the issue which caused some women to oppose the ERA. At the time we still had a draft and some women feared being conscripted into military service although they apparently had no issue with men being similarly conscripted.

The answer to your question is that women should be required to register with selective service but currently are not.
 
2014-04-10 10:33:22 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?


The extra is to cover the tip that they won't be leaving.  'Cuz I've been told on Fark that black folks don't tip.
 
2014-04-10 10:34:37 AM  

Pathman: reprobate1125: symptomoftheuniverse: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...

I know...you would expect an abacus.  They're pretty modern now, but I grew up as they were transitioning. You would walk into a store, and they would come in.  Power up the cash register.  Do you transaction.  Power it down.  Go figure.

everybody hates math, even the Amish
;-p


i5.photobucket.com

I feel like there's not enough misogyny/misandry

/what's really funny is I misspelled misogyny and I was informed it was misspelled with a squiggly underline.  I also got a squiggly underline for misandry, because apparently that word isn't real.
//Men's Rights!
 
2014-04-10 10:35:35 AM  
Ok, lets look at the phrase "All You Can Eat", and determine where they go wrong by using discriminatory pricing...

"All" - Nope, no limit there. See dictionary meaning of the word 'all'.

"You" - Nope. No distinction between human beings there, assuming the business is targeting humans by addressing them using the word 'you' in its traditional sense.

"Can" - 'Permission given', or 'Are able to'.

"Eat" - The act of taking in nutrients to maintain one's life.

Seems PRETTY clear what this phrase means. Four simple English words.

You'd think (well, I would, anyway) if one were to open a restaurant centered on this phrase, they would understand its meaning. Example: 'Sushi Bar' can be reasonably expected to NOT serve enchiladas.

Moral of the story: If you DONT UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE POINT OF YOUR BUSINESS' EXISTENCE, DONT BE SURPRISED WHEN IT FAILS.
 
2014-04-10 10:41:24 AM  

Beeblebrox: The extra is to cover the tip that they won't be leaving.  'Cuz I've been told on Fark that black folks don't tip.


Well that and all the iced tea they drink.
 
2014-04-10 10:44:27 AM  

Pathman: you are aware that you can argue with people on the internet without being rude, right?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-10 10:45:41 AM  
Of course men eat more than women.  If they didn't they would starve to death.

Mind you some women also eat women (giggity) but they too must eat something else.

-Rick Romero
 
2014-04-10 10:51:13 AM  

Skr: Well unless they have a "Take only what you will Eat, Eat everything you Take" sign, then the male female thing is off base. Many people, of either gender, take a large variety of food, nibble, and trash the rest. More food is wasted that way than the difference between male and female patrons, I'd guess.


I ate at a truck stop that did that, had a guard in front of the trash can.

They'd weigh what was left on the plate after tossing bones and the like, then you'd get a per pound tossed surcharge before you left.

It was in Kansas, somewhere along I-70, East of Salina, ca. 1998. I always thought it was a good idea.
 
2014-04-10 10:54:11 AM  
Buffets are all about keeping you average cost of food per pound in line with the price of the buffet. That makes knowing that some people will eat more than their share of crabs legs and skip the potatoes immaterial.
 
2014-04-10 11:07:02 AM  

ckccfa: /csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb


I started getting flat tops when I was a kid and continued into my 20's, they started off the same price as other men cuts, but now they cost more at most barber shops.  It wasn't about the work because flat tops are just crew cuts with a little attention to the top, so less work than other men cuts.  Sometimes it isn't about the work, but demand.  I don't care for places that cater to lady's styles, mostly because they seem incapable of basic cuts, I stick to the small barbershops that cater to only men's styles.  Maybe that will work for you.  Sometimes the barbershop isn't just about the price, but also the cut done well and the conversation.

/It does bug me how they will charge a full cut rate when my daughter or wife goes in for a trim, sometimes lady's cuts aren't a big undertaking.
//I've seen my daughter get a cut in less time than it takes to buzz my head.
///I cut my sons' hair, practice doing their cuts with clippers and/or scissors.
////$20 what?  I expect change from a $10.
 
2014-04-10 11:16:31 AM  
They must not be in the south then.
 
2014-04-10 11:16:46 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: yikes - you seem particularly dedicated to being nasty to me over this issue.  i'm sorry you disagree but this is a fairly benign topic to be rude about.

I have a problem with "it's just an opinion" as an excuse for shallow thinking. It isn't you in particular, I'm always an asshole when it comes up.

Pathman: because i think you should be able to charge whatever you want for something you own.

And I agree with you. What I disagree with is setting the price based on the buyer which is what we're talking about. I absolutely believe that someone should be free to set the price for their goods and services with the caveat that it is the same price for all purchasers.

Pathman: If a glass of lemonade costs $0.01 to make, why should i be charged $100 if some kid sets that as his price at his lemonade stand?
I shouldn't.  Should that kid be legally barred from trying to charge me too much?  Does it matter WHY he was trying to charge me too much?

Here's where we diverge, I don't have a problem with that kid charging $100 for a glass of lemonade provided that he charges everyone $100 for a glass of lemonade.


I didn't say it was just an opinion as an excuse for shallow thinking.  Do you think you're blowing my mind here with your "what if they charged black people more" hypothetical?  Do you think i hadn't considered that?
I said it was an opinion because that's what it is.

so yes - we "diverge" in that you think the law should be able to force that child to charge a particular price because you believe the reason why the prices differ is important.

I don't think that's unreasonable, but where do you draw that line?
Would you have a problem with that child charging kids who go to his school less than other kids?
What about if he gives a discount to boy scouts (but not girl scouts)?
What if he charges black kids more?  or less?

I think most of us would agree that it's immoral to charge the black kid more.  Probably even the same for boy scouts v girl scouts.
What about the kids at his school?
What if his school is a Christian only school so he's now charging different rates based on religion?

You have three options here, regulate it completely (lemonade costs X and that's all you can charge end of story)
not regulate it at all or regulate it somewhere along the relatively obvious scale i just laid out.
Most people are going to fall somewhere in the middle.  And i don't think it's irrational to say "ok, you can't charge white people less simply because they're white but it's ok to maybe have a lady's night and charge them less" or something similar.


If you don't pick either extreme then how do you decide where to draw the line in the middle?  At some point you have to make a subjective call and guess what - that's largely based on opinion.
 
2014-04-10 11:18:42 AM  
Buffets should put up posters of healthy, trim people to shame their customers into eating less.
And/or pics of skinny models, and great toilet facilites to cater to the pro-ana crowd.
 
2014-04-10 11:20:59 AM  

lack of warmth: I don't care for places that cater to lady's styles, mostly because they seem incapable of basic cuts, I stick to the small barbershops that cater to only men's styles.  Maybe that will work for you.  Sometimes the barbershop isn't just about the price, but also the cut done well and the conversation.


I want the barber to lather me up, whip out that straight razor, and let it dance gently across my neck.

Trusting someone to do that requires a high level of confidence.

When I'm at the salon, I'm worried one of those cosmotologists is going to stab me with her shears, whilst she tells her neighbor about some inane shiat that happened in her personal life.

Give me a barber every time!
 
2014-04-10 11:22:27 AM  

lack of warmth: ckccfa: /csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb

I started getting flat tops when I was a kid and continued into my 20's, they started off the same price as other men cuts, but now they cost more at most barber shops.  It wasn't about the work because flat ...


This was a barbershop.  That's why I wasn't expecting any problems.
 
2014-04-10 11:22:29 AM  

Porous Horace: Buffets should put up posters of healthy, trim people to shame their customers into eating less.
And/or pics of skinny models, and great toilet facilites to cater to the pro-ana crowd.


That won't help.

We'll just think the world has enough skinny people and doesn't need to worry about us.

I'm 160 pounds with a gut.  And happy with it.
 
2014-04-10 11:25:16 AM  

Tommy Moo: However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance,


Now that doesn't even make sense.
 
2014-04-10 11:26:01 AM  

Poot beer: GORDON: But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.

Unless you're running a coffee/donut shop, if the revenue generated from the $1 coffee you provide in the lobby has a significant impact on any of those balance sheet items......you're doing it wrong.


Accounting, you're doing it wrong.

(Balance Sheet - Assets & Liabilities)
(Income Statement - Revenue & Expenses)
 
2014-04-10 11:28:01 AM  

cwolf20: Porous Horace: Buffets should put up posters of healthy, trim people to shame their customers into eating less.
And/or pics of skinny models, and great toilet facilites to cater to the pro-ana crowd.

That won't help.

We'll just think the world has enough skinny people and doesn't need to worry about us.

I'm 160 pounds with a gut.  And happy with it.


It'll get twisted into "there are starving people in America. I better eat ALL the foods"
 
2014-04-10 11:30:12 AM  
If I pay more and she pays less, it's a wash, because I'm paying for both. You see, I make more money than her for the same job, because when I knock her up, I won't be unproductive for 9-12 months.
 
2014-04-10 11:30:15 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: ckccfa

Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut. Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.


Fair enough, but on the flip side maybe all the managers would do the same and the stylist you had was the outlier. Of course there's no way to know that without additional visits but it doesn't look like a huge risk. Then again, you could confirm the price before getting the haircut and avoid any potential headache.

Also, the "unnecessary effort" statement - do you hear yourself? A conversation that took one minute, maximum, and got the desired result doesn't really appear to be effort but people see things differently.


This was a traditional looking barber shop, which is the kind of place that I've always gone to.  At every other shop I've asked for a "man's cut," gotten one, and paid the price for a man's cut.  I've never had this kind of issue before.

And yes, I hear myself--I have a beautiful voice, especially in my own head, and my jokes are hilarious.
The point was--I shouldn't have had to argue for a fair price for the work done in the first place, so I chose to take my money elsewhere.  As much as I enjoy debating and farking around on the internet, I don't enjoy actual face-to-face conflict, and I didn't enjoy having to argue back and forth with the woman.  I felt bad afterwards, enough though I really shouldn't have, and the whole thing just put a negative spin on my morning.  So fark them.  Maybe it works differently where you live, but I'm not obligated to spend my money at any particular establishment here, so I chose a more convenient option for my future haircut needs.  I'm sure they're doing just fine without my $20 (or maybe $30) every few weeks.
 
2014-04-10 11:36:36 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.


Is that just your opinion?
 
2014-04-10 11:42:40 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: deadlyplatypus: svanmeter: draft

If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?

He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

While we do not currently have a draft and it is unlikely that we will have one in the future, the underlying assumption is that only men will be conscripted if a draft is needed. For reference, this is the issue which caused some women to oppose the ERA. At the time we still had a draft and some women feared being conscripted into military service although they apparently had no issue with men being similarly conscripted.

The answer to your question is that women should be required to register with selective service but currently are not.


Oh, I know what he's talking about, I just didn't know if he was joking (believing that it would somehow be wrong for women to register for the draft/"selective service") or if he was actually rational/not a sexist and believed that they should have to register just like men have to.

This is one of the reasons I have less sympathy for some of the issues raised by people.

Everyone can now join the military, any branch. Women now serve on submarines. But only men can be conscripted to die because some politicians say so? That policy is just a little bit unbalanced and has larger implications than a lot of the policies people get ruffled about, but you never hear about it...don't know why.

/Doesn't apply to me
//Already active duty
///Just thinks possibly being forced to die for your country is a bigger inequality than those that actually get discussed.
 
2014-04-10 11:45:22 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Poot beer: GORDON: But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.

Unless you're running a coffee/donut shop, if the revenue generated from the $1 coffee you provide in the lobby has a significant impact on any of those balance sheet items......you're doing it wrong.

Accounting, you're doing it wrong.

(Balance Sheet - Assets & Liabilities)
(Income Statement - Revenue & Expenses)


Pedanticism

/nailed it
 
2014-04-10 11:48:16 AM  

ckccfa: This was a barbershop.  That's why I wasn't expecting any problems.


Wow, they did women's cuts.  The places I stuck to was those tiny places with maybe four chairs at most.  I definitely get the frustration of finding the right place after moving.  It took me a year to find a place I liked after moving to MI, but they didn't quite fit the bill (the price and conversation was there, but the cut wasn't), so I took over cutting my own hair.  The only perfect barber I found where all factors fell into place, is retired and opens shop at 'whenever he feels like it' times.

Pangea: I want the barber to lather me up, whip out that straight razor, and let it dance gently across my neck.

Trusting someone to do that requires a high level of confidence.

When I'm at the salon, I'm worried one of those cosmotologists is going to stab me with her shears, whilst she tells her neighbor about some inane shiat that happened in her personal life.

Give me a barber every time!


I recall the old days of barbers shaving the back of the neck, I didn't get my face straight razor shaved because they quit that service by the time I was old enough to shave.  I didn't care for the barber who took it upon himself to trim my mustache with his clippers.  I highly doubt he sanitized his clippers, at least the straight razor can be cleaned very easily.  I have been poked by shears a few times by a stylist, which is why I stuck to small barbershops.  I still remember a barber talking to everyone as he cut hair, but he would shut up and set to serious work when he started the shave.
 
2014-04-10 11:49:53 AM  

Pathman: so yes - we "diverge" in that you think the law should be able to force that child to charge a particular price because you believe the reason why the prices differ is important.


Are you serious? Is that what you got from me saying I didn't care what he charged as long as he charged everyone the same price for the same service?

It's clearly time to end this conversation.

Poot beer: Is that just your opinion?


It's my professional opinion informed by twenty years in the software industry. So, yes, it's my opinion.

Filtering against "firsts" twenty pages into a thread is boneheaded design. His process of stripping whitespace from a post and then applying a simple regex to the remaining text block is similarly a Programming 101 approach which generates what I would consider to be an unacceptable level of false positives in any real application. The whole thing reeks of "meh, good enough".
 
2014-04-10 11:51:53 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: reprobate1125: There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?

OH the memories!  I loved the Ground Round when I lived in St. Louis.  It was on Lindbergh if I remember correctly.  It's long gone now though.


I had my 10th grade bday there. Good times.  I thought they were just a Jersey thing.

Now we have this place 9 to 5 that took over a lot of their old buildings.
 
2014-04-10 11:53:21 AM  
Yeah, but men are the reason people go to buffet in the first place
/my wife could steak you under the table
 
2014-04-10 11:59:38 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The whole thing reeks of "meh, good enough".


As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.
 
2014-04-10 12:07:43 PM  
www.craveonline.com

Problem solved.

/Also came for John Pinette thread round 2,
 
2014-04-10 12:14:14 PM  

reprobate1125: Sasquach: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

[www.bitterwallet.com image 410x308]

Shady Maple?

/love their spiced blood "stuff"

That was one of them!

Now that I think about it. There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?  Sort of a family restaurant place where you could watch cartoons on an old school 3 bulb projector. They gave you popcorn too.  Loved that place.


I work about 5 minutes from where that used to be. The property is a bank now...

/free popcorn!
 
2014-04-10 12:14:38 PM  

Poot beer: As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.


It never ceases to amaze me that people not only accept shoddy work but actually defend it.

We're not talking about tracking bosons in a particle accelerator, an afternoon's work could vastly improve Fark's filter which has sucked for close to a decade. Regarding the changes to posting format not being reflected in the preview, that could have been caught by five minutes of QA.
 
2014-04-10 12:21:06 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: meow said the dog: Something is doing the telling of me that they do not have the knowledge of the roommate of me. She is quite the bigger person and let me say this to you. All she can have the eating of is the amount which will have to you the utterings of the awe inspiration. I am thinking sketch could put the Brazilion bikin waxing place and the restaurants out of the business.

I think the only question that can be asked here is "does she demolish the bathroom"?


I thought she just heels it down the drain in the shower.
 
2014-04-10 12:31:17 PM  
How is basic biology a fail? Is it that they noticed it? Is it that they're being mean to the poor, downtrodden menfolk?
 
2014-04-10 12:41:39 PM  
Not my fault the ladies can't keep up!
 
2014-04-10 12:42:57 PM  

ckccfa: Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?

/csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less t ...

 
2014-04-10 12:46:04 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Monkeyhouse Zendo

Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-10 12:51:03 PM  

ckccfa: Englebert Slaptyback: Monkeyhouse Zendo

Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.

Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut.  Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.


www.partow.net
 
2014-04-10 01:25:17 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?


Because you go, sister.
 
2014-04-10 01:29:35 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Are you serious? Is that what you got from me saying I didn't care what he charged as long as he charged everyone the same price for the same service?



yes i'm serious.  how on earth is that not exactly what you said?
the very next thing i said was "I don't think that's unreasonable, but where do you draw that line? "

I pay for parking at my work.  They charge a different rate for people based on how much they make and how long they have been there.
So they are absolutely charging people different prices for the exact same service.
Should that be illegal?
I am assuming you would say no.  Why?  because you are going to have a hard time convincing a judge that the reason they are charging different prices for the exact same service is discriminatory.  (although it absolutely is charging both older and wealthier people more for the same service)

So like i said - to you the reason matters.

I think if you own something you should be free to charge whatever you want for it.  It's yours, that's the point!
I understand that there are compelling arguments to make exceptions to that principle when it comes to protected classes of people.

But i believe we should be extremely conservative about applying those exceptions.  It's not hard to imagine why such an exception needed to be applied to American businesses in 1964 in an effort to desegregate society.  But does that extend to protecting men at an all you can eat buffet from being charged more than women?

There is no logical reason to my argument that these exceptions, if applied at all, are appropriate for one class over another beyond "common sense" and opinion.
Ie - yes it is reasonable to prevent a business from saying 'whites only' but no it's not reasonable to say "no half-off bowling for seniors only"


seems like you just want to bicker - go do that with someone else.
 
2014-04-10 01:36:26 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Poot beer: As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.

It never ceases to amaze me that people not only accept shoddy work but actually defend it.

We're not talking about tracking bosons in a particle accelerator, an afternoon's work could vastly improve Fark's filter which has sucked for close to a decade. Regarding the changes to posting format not being reflected in the preview, that could have been caught by five minutes of QA.


Maybe Fark can't afford the resources because you're a liter?

Complaining about something free is unlikely to win you a lot of support, no matter how justified you feel your criticisms are.
 
2014-04-10 01:38:40 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


Just for once I'd like to see the 'biology' argument go the other way. Seems we only try to compensate for biology when it's in the woman's interest. It's always "she gets to choose what to do about the pregnancy because it's her body. That's biology," But it's never "he gets to knock you up and leave because that's biology." That's the kind of biology that gets the courts get involved.

/don't support deadbeat dadism, just sayin' some consistency would be nice
 
2014-04-10 01:40:00 PM  

FLMountainMan: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?

He's not suggesting different prices for different people, he's suggesting the same price for everyone.  Do you see where your assertion falls apart?


Good, because you were about to be labeled a tribe-outsider. You have been warned.  Ծ_Ծ
 
2014-04-10 01:40:59 PM  

Two16: ckccfa: Englebert Slaptyback: Monkeyhouse Zendo

Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.

Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut.  Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.

[www.partow.net image 850x735]


When choosing where to spend my money, I most certainly base in on my experiences and the amount of headache I expect based on my previous visit.

Whose feelings would you suggest someone base their choice of a fungible service on?
 
2014-04-10 01:41:39 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.


See what I mean? It's biology.
 
2014-04-10 01:48:04 PM  

Pangea: Two16: ckccfa: Englebert Slaptyback: Monkeyhouse Zendo

Englebert Slaptyback: You got a man's cut. After consulting (not even arguing) with someone higher on the salon food chain you paid the lower man's cut price.

How exactly is that "sheer adherence to gender"? And how is it grounds never to go back, since you had just set the precedent for appropriate pricing?

Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?


That was the stylist's first plan of action (no filter pwnage) because the customer was a woman and that was how the rules were set up. Does anyone genuinely expect a lot of flexibility from someone at the lowest level of an organization, especially regarding pricing?

The stylist (i.e. the person on the bottom rung) didn't want to approve what she thought was a price change. As soon she took the matter to the manager, it was resolved immediately and with no further discussion - certainly with no argument. Read the story again: the manager agreed immediately to the man's price.

Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut.  Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.

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When choosing where to spend my money, I most certainly base in on my experiences and the amount of headache I expect based on my previous visit.

Whose feelings would you suggest someone base their choice of a fungible service on?


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2014-04-10 01:50:51 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: How is basic biology a fail? Is it that they noticed it? Is it that they're being mean to the poor, downtrodden menfolk?


Then you don't mind the idea of higher health insurance rates for women, I take it. In both cases it's discriminatory because it takes a general trend and applies it to everyone. Some string bean of a man is supposed to pay more than his fat fark mother in law? A woman who cannot conceive is supposed to pay more in health care because some women get pregnant?
 
2014-04-10 01:54:49 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pangea: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.

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The filter logic is sloppy and what one would expect from a Programming 101 student. Fark also implemented a change to the layout which is not reflected in the Preview making the Preview largely useless for anything other than checking whether an image will load. But yeah, I'm the one with the problem for pointing out the flaws, fark me right?

 
2014-04-10 01:56:33 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pangea: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.

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The filter logic is sloppy and what one would expect from a Programming 101 student. Fark also implemented a change to the layout which is not reflected in the Preview making the Preview largely useless for anything other than checking whether an image will load. But yeah, I'm the one with the problem for pointing out the flaws, fark me right?


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omoshiroi koto ni, shashin wo saishou ni checkku shinakatta.
 
2014-04-10 02:37:45 PM  

Poot beer: Zeb Hesselgresser: Poot beer: GORDON: But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.

Unless you're running a coffee/donut shop, if the revenue generated from the $1 coffee you provide in the lobby has a significant impact on any of those balance sheet items......you're doing it wrong.

Accounting, you're doing it wrong.

(Balance Sheet - Assets & Liabilities)
(Income Statement - Revenue & Expenses)

Pedanticism

/nailed it


i810.photobucket.com

Serious.  Business.
 
2014-04-10 02:45:26 PM  

lack of warmth: ckccfa: /csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb

I started getting flat tops when I was a kid and continued into my 20's, they started off the same price as other men cuts, but now they cost more at most barber shops.  It wasn't about the work because flat ...


There's also the fulmination factor. If you give a man a bad cut, he'll give you a dirty look and never come back. But some (not all, but some) women will burn your salon down (figuratively).
 
2014-04-10 02:49:09 PM  

Omnis_evil_twin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: vudukungfu: markfara: 1) The ones that charge a single price for "all you can eat" attract people with slobbish eating habits and poor hygiene (and fat children who touch the food with their fingers to help them decide if they want it or not).

I've seen skinny kids do it too.
No discipline in children nowadays.
I know who they get that from.

CSB time:

When my (now in his 30's) stepson was about 8, we were at a buffet.  Imagine my horror when I saw him take the spoon from a pan with a sample of the food on it, lick it, and start to return it to the pan.  I never knew I could put down my plate in a safe place, grab his hand, his plate, the spoon, shove them behind me out of the way then grab the pan out of the buffet slot (yes, it was incredibly hot, but I wasn't thinking of that) so that no one could touch it.  Of course I flagged down the nearest waitstaff I could and explained, and apologized, and they promptly replaced the pan with new food.

One of the many times our children can make up move faster than we ever thought possible.

We had a talk over dinner about how that was just not what you did in a public place.

/CSB

I used to work in a buffet.  I've seen far worse things from grown ass adults.

-Spatula licking.
-Using the dressing ladles for everything in the salad bar.  Chocolate pudding drizzled with Ranch. Creamy Cesar infused jello.
-After complaining that the plates fresh from the washer were damp customers would wipe them across the seat of their pants.
-Scratching their face with spatulas.  Also, picking pimples with cards.
-Using their bare hands to dish out food.  No, not pizza.  Fruit cocktail.  Salad.  Vegetable slices.  Dip.
-Dropping full plates or glasses and just...walking away.
-Touching every single piece of fruit/cake/pizza until finding that magical one they could commit to.

And don't even get me started on the piece of shiat parents that go to kaiten sushi and let their kids sit counter side touching and dripping their noses over each plate.


Spatula face scratching is kind of awesome.
 
2014-04-10 03:34:34 PM  

Anayalator: If I pay more and she pays less, it's a wash, because I'm paying for both. You see, I make more money than her for the same job, because when I knock her up, I won't be unproductive for 9-12 months.


You just cleaned up the hole thread. You must have one heck of a spinning wheel.
 
2014-04-10 03:40:04 PM  

Fafai: Monkeyhouse Zendo: He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

See what I mean? It's biology.


Nah, it's the law.
 
2014-04-10 03:43:39 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: so yes - we "diverge" in that you think the law should be able to force that child to charge a particular price because you believe the reason why the prices differ is important.

Are you serious? Is that what you got from me saying I didn't care what he charged as long as he charged everyone the same price for the same service?

It's clearly time to end this conversation.

Poot beer: Is that just your opinion?

It's my professional opinion informed by twenty years in the software industry. So, yes, it's my opinion.

Filtering against "firsts" twenty pages into a thread is boneheaded design. His process of stripping whitespace from a post and then applying a simple regex to the remaining text block is similarly a Programming 101 approach which generates what I would consider to be an unacceptable level of false positives in any real application. The whole thing reeks of "meh, good enough".


But it's hilarious EVERY TIME!
 
2014-04-10 03:45:17 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Poot beer: As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.

It never ceases to amaze me that people not only accept shoddy work but actually defend it.

We're not talking about tracking bosons in a particle accelerator, an afternoon's work could vastly improve Fark's filter which has sucked for close to a decade. Regarding the changes to posting format not being reflected in the preview, that could have been caught by five minutes of QA.


It's part of the culture. It's a plus to many of us.
 
2014-04-10 03:59:26 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: jehovahs witness protection:

Hey you!  *waves*


Mornin'
 
2014-04-10 04:21:09 PM  

ckccfa: Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?

/csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less t ...


Ha! As a man with long hair, I'm getting a kick...
 
2014-04-10 05:33:53 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


So, you should be fine with him being payed more, right; since he's required to do all the same work plus all the heavy lifting?
 
2014-04-10 06:37:46 PM  
Yes, and women should get payed less because they do less work.
 
2014-04-10 08:07:15 PM  

skinink: You been here four hour!


You scare my wife!
 
2014-04-11 12:19:12 PM  

DarkPascual: ckccfa: Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?

/csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers blah blah blah...


Ha! As a man with long hair, I'm getting a kick...

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