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2014-04-10 10:08:58 AM
Monkeyhouse Zendo:

Personally, I like there to be a reason that I believe things to be true. When asked "why do you believe that" I like to be able to point to some evidence or a line of reasoning that supports the opinion resulting in better outcomes. But then I was raised to critically examine just about everything so I don't walk around saying dumb assed shiat and have to fall back on "it's just my opinion" when called on it.


yikes - you seem particularly dedicated to being nasty to me over this issue.  i'm sorry you disagree but this is a fairly benign topic to be rude about.

I told you "why i believe that"
because i think you should be able to charge whatever you want for something you own.  obviously there are legal, ethical and moral exceptions.  but that's the support for my argument that you accused me of not having.  i'm not sure i'd conflate evidence with support as they're not necessarily the same thing.

and i didn't miss your point entirely.
" If a woman chooses to get a high and tight, should she be charged for a cut and color?  "
she shouldn't.  I agree with you.
but here's the thing - what you should do and what you should be legally forced to do are two different things.
So I'm not sure i agree that it should be illegal for that establishment to try and charge a woman more simply because she's a woman.

If a glass of lemonade costs $0.01 to make, why should i be charged $100 if some kid sets that as his price at his lemonade stand?
I shouldn't.  Should that kid be legally barred from trying to charge me too much?  Does it matter WHY he was trying to charge me too much?

In my opinion, hate anddiscrimination are bad for business.   i'm not an anarchist - it would appear that there are places where government needs to step in which is why i conceded your point about the race example.  you're not going to catch me protesting for the right of some klansman to have a "whites only"restaurant for example.


you are aware that you can argue with people on the internet without being rude, right?
 
Bf+
2014-04-10 10:09:03 AM

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


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2014-04-10 10:11:12 AM

ckccfa


Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut. Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.


Fair enough, but on the flip side maybe all the managers would do the same and the stylist you had was the outlier. Of course there's no way to know that without additional visits but it doesn't look like a huge risk. Then again, you could confirm the price before getting the haircut and avoid any potential headache.

Also, the "unnecessary effort" statement - do you hear yourself? A conversation that took one minute, maximum, and got the desired result doesn't really appear to be effort but people see things differently.
 
2014-04-10 10:13:03 AM

symptomoftheuniverse: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...


I know...you would expect an abacus.  They're pretty modern now, but I grew up as they were transitioning. You would walk into a store, and they would come in.  Power up the cash register.  Do you transaction.  Power it down.  Go figure.
 
2014-04-10 10:14:11 AM

Cold_Sassy: Lokkii: Everytime something like this comes up I flashxback to when I was the boss over an office with eight women and one guy. Generally things went OK but I always  remember the day the guy came into my office and asked,

"Why is it that men and women are equal when it's time to clean the breakroom, but when there's something heavy to lift, I'm the only guy in the office?"

Men are stronger.  Because Biology.


Men are, on average, significantly stronger than women (it turns out that the upper/lower body thing is BS). Because sexual dimorphism.

The other side of that coin is that two women are, one average, stronger than one man so relegating lifting heavy objects to the man can't be supported on the grounds that he is individually stronger. Team lift for the win.
 
2014-04-10 10:14:30 AM

Sasquach: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

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Shady Maple?

/love their spiced blood "stuff"


That was one of them!

Now that I think about it. There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?  Sort of a family restaurant place where you could watch cartoons on an old school 3 bulb projector. They gave you popcorn too.  Loved that place.
 
2014-04-10 10:14:55 AM

svanmeter: draft


If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?
 
2014-04-10 10:15:34 AM
ckccfa:

I think, in terms of fair pricing for important things like food and gas and other necessaries, that government intervention unfortunately winds up being the best option for the greatest amount of people.  Sure, in big cities and high-pop areas you have a lot of options, and the market can do a lot of its own correcting.  But you get into some smaller towns and more remotes places, and you can have a real problem.

sure - those are inelastic goods and for better or worse we have price-gouging laws that apply to those situations in most places.

i'm not sure i'd be as comfortable taking this position if, for example, they were refusing to hire you because you're gay or trying to pay you less.  the law extends a higher duty of care with an employer employee relationship as there is arguably less choice when it comes to finding a job  but since you could make many of the same arguments i'm making against the pricing structure to justify them doing precisely that, making a distinction between those two things would be a fiction on my part so obviously this is a subjective call.
 
2014-04-10 10:16:16 AM

reprobate1125: symptomoftheuniverse: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...

I know...you would expect an abacus.  They're pretty modern now, but I grew up as they were transitioning. You would walk into a store, and they would come in.  Power up the cash register.  Do you transaction.  Power it down.  Go figure.


everybody hates math, even the Amish
;-p
 
2014-04-10 10:24:00 AM

Pathman: yikes - you seem particularly dedicated to being nasty to me over this issue.  i'm sorry you disagree but this is a fairly benign topic to be rude about.


I have a problem with "it's just an opinion" as an excuse for shallow thinking. It isn't you in particular, I'm always an asshole when it comes up.

Pathman: because i think you should be able to charge whatever you want for something you own.


And I agree with you. What I disagree with is setting the price based on the buyer which is what we're talking about. I absolutely believe that someone should be free to set the price for their goods and services with the caveat that it is the same price for all purchasers.

Pathman: If a glass of lemonade costs $0.01 to make, why should i be charged $100 if some kid sets that as his price at his lemonade stand?
I shouldn't.  Should that kid be legally barred from trying to charge me too much?  Does it matter WHY he was trying to charge me too much?


Here's where we diverge, I don't have a problem with that kid charging $100 for a glass of lemonade provided that he charges everyone $100 for a glass of lemonade.
 
2014-04-10 10:25:57 AM

Pangea: LavenderWolf: When I took my dog for a walk yesterday, a bunch of kids ran up to us. One of them was just covered in blue chalk, and got my dog filthy with it. I yelled at him "What are you doing? You're getting blue all over my dog!" and the kid just laughed with a Nelson-like "Ha-Ha."

On the way back home I saw that little kid running up to him and I just got the sternest look I could muster, pointed at him, and yelled "Stay. Away."

Little kid looked like he got hit by a truck with how quickly he stopped running after me.

This felt like a non sequitur to me, but I enjoyed your anecdote nevertheless.


Yeah I do that sometimes.

One of my favourite things to do is to make a pages-long response to a simple one-line post on Reddit.
 
2014-04-10 10:26:06 AM

reprobate1125: There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?


OH the memories!  I loved the Ground Round when I lived in St. Louis.  It was on Lindbergh if I remember correctly.  It's long gone now though.
 
2014-04-10 10:28:12 AM

JoieD'Zen: Women got the big handbags taking what they can't eat.

/done it


This.  My mom had a huge purse when I was a kid.
 
2014-04-10 10:29:15 AM

Pangea: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.

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Farking HILARIOUS!
 
2014-04-10 10:31:06 AM

deadlyplatypus: svanmeter: draft

If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?


He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

While we do not currently have a draft and it is unlikely that we will have one in the future, the underlying assumption is that only men will be conscripted if a draft is needed. For reference, this is the issue which caused some women to oppose the ERA. At the time we still had a draft and some women feared being conscripted into military service although they apparently had no issue with men being similarly conscripted.

The answer to your question is that women should be required to register with selective service but currently are not.
 
2014-04-10 10:33:22 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: So?  A business should be able to charge whatever the hell it wants.  If you don't like it, eat somewhere else.

Dinner for white folks: $30
Dinner for colored folks people of color: $200

I trust you can see where your assertion starts to come apart?


The extra is to cover the tip that they won't be leaving.  'Cuz I've been told on Fark that black folks don't tip.
 
2014-04-10 10:34:37 AM

Pathman: reprobate1125: symptomoftheuniverse: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

Amish people using calculators? Hmmm...

I know...you would expect an abacus.  They're pretty modern now, but I grew up as they were transitioning. You would walk into a store, and they would come in.  Power up the cash register.  Do you transaction.  Power it down.  Go figure.

everybody hates math, even the Amish
;-p


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I feel like there's not enough misogyny/misandry

/what's really funny is I misspelled misogyny and I was informed it was misspelled with a squiggly underline.  I also got a squiggly underline for misandry, because apparently that word isn't real.
//Men's Rights!
 
2014-04-10 10:35:35 AM
Ok, lets look at the phrase "All You Can Eat", and determine where they go wrong by using discriminatory pricing...

"All" - Nope, no limit there. See dictionary meaning of the word 'all'.

"You" - Nope. No distinction between human beings there, assuming the business is targeting humans by addressing them using the word 'you' in its traditional sense.

"Can" - 'Permission given', or 'Are able to'.

"Eat" - The act of taking in nutrients to maintain one's life.

Seems PRETTY clear what this phrase means. Four simple English words.

You'd think (well, I would, anyway) if one were to open a restaurant centered on this phrase, they would understand its meaning. Example: 'Sushi Bar' can be reasonably expected to NOT serve enchiladas.

Moral of the story: If you DONT UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE POINT OF YOUR BUSINESS' EXISTENCE, DONT BE SURPRISED WHEN IT FAILS.
 
2014-04-10 10:41:24 AM

Beeblebrox: The extra is to cover the tip that they won't be leaving.  'Cuz I've been told on Fark that black folks don't tip.


Well that and all the iced tea they drink.
 
2014-04-10 10:44:27 AM

Pathman: you are aware that you can argue with people on the internet without being rude, right?


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2014-04-10 10:45:41 AM
Of course men eat more than women.  If they didn't they would starve to death.

Mind you some women also eat women (giggity) but they too must eat something else.

-Rick Romero
 
2014-04-10 10:51:13 AM

Skr: Well unless they have a "Take only what you will Eat, Eat everything you Take" sign, then the male female thing is off base. Many people, of either gender, take a large variety of food, nibble, and trash the rest. More food is wasted that way than the difference between male and female patrons, I'd guess.


I ate at a truck stop that did that, had a guard in front of the trash can.

They'd weigh what was left on the plate after tossing bones and the like, then you'd get a per pound tossed surcharge before you left.

It was in Kansas, somewhere along I-70, East of Salina, ca. 1998. I always thought it was a good idea.
 
2014-04-10 10:54:11 AM
Buffets are all about keeping you average cost of food per pound in line with the price of the buffet. That makes knowing that some people will eat more than their share of crabs legs and skip the potatoes immaterial.
 
2014-04-10 11:07:02 AM

ckccfa: /csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb


I started getting flat tops when I was a kid and continued into my 20's, they started off the same price as other men cuts, but now they cost more at most barber shops.  It wasn't about the work because flat tops are just crew cuts with a little attention to the top, so less work than other men cuts.  Sometimes it isn't about the work, but demand.  I don't care for places that cater to lady's styles, mostly because they seem incapable of basic cuts, I stick to the small barbershops that cater to only men's styles.  Maybe that will work for you.  Sometimes the barbershop isn't just about the price, but also the cut done well and the conversation.

/It does bug me how they will charge a full cut rate when my daughter or wife goes in for a trim, sometimes lady's cuts aren't a big undertaking.
//I've seen my daughter get a cut in less time than it takes to buzz my head.
///I cut my sons' hair, practice doing their cuts with clippers and/or scissors.
////$20 what?  I expect change from a $10.
 
2014-04-10 11:16:31 AM
They must not be in the south then.
 
2014-04-10 11:16:46 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Pathman: yikes - you seem particularly dedicated to being nasty to me over this issue.  i'm sorry you disagree but this is a fairly benign topic to be rude about.

I have a problem with "it's just an opinion" as an excuse for shallow thinking. It isn't you in particular, I'm always an asshole when it comes up.

Pathman: because i think you should be able to charge whatever you want for something you own.

And I agree with you. What I disagree with is setting the price based on the buyer which is what we're talking about. I absolutely believe that someone should be free to set the price for their goods and services with the caveat that it is the same price for all purchasers.

Pathman: If a glass of lemonade costs $0.01 to make, why should i be charged $100 if some kid sets that as his price at his lemonade stand?
I shouldn't.  Should that kid be legally barred from trying to charge me too much?  Does it matter WHY he was trying to charge me too much?

Here's where we diverge, I don't have a problem with that kid charging $100 for a glass of lemonade provided that he charges everyone $100 for a glass of lemonade.


I didn't say it was just an opinion as an excuse for shallow thinking.  Do you think you're blowing my mind here with your "what if they charged black people more" hypothetical?  Do you think i hadn't considered that?
I said it was an opinion because that's what it is.

so yes - we "diverge" in that you think the law should be able to force that child to charge a particular price because you believe the reason why the prices differ is important.

I don't think that's unreasonable, but where do you draw that line?
Would you have a problem with that child charging kids who go to his school less than other kids?
What about if he gives a discount to boy scouts (but not girl scouts)?
What if he charges black kids more?  or less?

I think most of us would agree that it's immoral to charge the black kid more.  Probably even the same for boy scouts v girl scouts.
What about the kids at his school?
What if his school is a Christian only school so he's now charging different rates based on religion?

You have three options here, regulate it completely (lemonade costs X and that's all you can charge end of story)
not regulate it at all or regulate it somewhere along the relatively obvious scale i just laid out.
Most people are going to fall somewhere in the middle.  And i don't think it's irrational to say "ok, you can't charge white people less simply because they're white but it's ok to maybe have a lady's night and charge them less" or something similar.


If you don't pick either extreme then how do you decide where to draw the line in the middle?  At some point you have to make a subjective call and guess what - that's largely based on opinion.
 
2014-04-10 11:18:42 AM
Buffets should put up posters of healthy, trim people to shame their customers into eating less.
And/or pics of skinny models, and great toilet facilites to cater to the pro-ana crowd.
 
2014-04-10 11:20:59 AM

lack of warmth: I don't care for places that cater to lady's styles, mostly because they seem incapable of basic cuts, I stick to the small barbershops that cater to only men's styles.  Maybe that will work for you.  Sometimes the barbershop isn't just about the price, but also the cut done well and the conversation.


I want the barber to lather me up, whip out that straight razor, and let it dance gently across my neck.

Trusting someone to do that requires a high level of confidence.

When I'm at the salon, I'm worried one of those cosmotologists is going to stab me with her shears, whilst she tells her neighbor about some inane shiat that happened in her personal life.

Give me a barber every time!
 
2014-04-10 11:22:27 AM

lack of warmth: ckccfa: /csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less time and effort than the two men on either side of me, just because I was female.  Stupid arbitrary differences are stupid.
/csb

I started getting flat tops when I was a kid and continued into my 20's, they started off the same price as other men cuts, but now they cost more at most barber shops.  It wasn't about the work because flat ...


This was a barbershop.  That's why I wasn't expecting any problems.
 
2014-04-10 11:22:29 AM

Porous Horace: Buffets should put up posters of healthy, trim people to shame their customers into eating less.
And/or pics of skinny models, and great toilet facilites to cater to the pro-ana crowd.


That won't help.

We'll just think the world has enough skinny people and doesn't need to worry about us.

I'm 160 pounds with a gut.  And happy with it.
 
2014-04-10 11:25:16 AM

Tommy Moo: However, if we're going to make men pay more for buffets and car insurance,


Now that doesn't even make sense.
 
2014-04-10 11:26:01 AM

Poot beer: GORDON: But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.

Unless you're running a coffee/donut shop, if the revenue generated from the $1 coffee you provide in the lobby has a significant impact on any of those balance sheet items......you're doing it wrong.


Accounting, you're doing it wrong.

(Balance Sheet - Assets & Liabilities)
(Income Statement - Revenue & Expenses)
 
2014-04-10 11:28:01 AM

cwolf20: Porous Horace: Buffets should put up posters of healthy, trim people to shame their customers into eating less.
And/or pics of skinny models, and great toilet facilites to cater to the pro-ana crowd.

That won't help.

We'll just think the world has enough skinny people and doesn't need to worry about us.

I'm 160 pounds with a gut.  And happy with it.


It'll get twisted into "there are starving people in America. I better eat ALL the foods"
 
2014-04-10 11:30:12 AM
If I pay more and she pays less, it's a wash, because I'm paying for both. You see, I make more money than her for the same job, because when I knock her up, I won't be unproductive for 9-12 months.
 
2014-04-10 11:30:15 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: ckccfa

Right, but I didn't want to depend upon that manager being right there every single time I went (or take the chance that a different manager wouldn't drop the price), nor did I want to farking haggle about the price of the work done every time I got a haircut. Also, the initial woman pissed me off by farking arguing with me and made me expend unnecessary effort to get fair pricing for the work done, so I decided to save myself some aggravation in the future and take my business elsewhere.


Fair enough, but on the flip side maybe all the managers would do the same and the stylist you had was the outlier. Of course there's no way to know that without additional visits but it doesn't look like a huge risk. Then again, you could confirm the price before getting the haircut and avoid any potential headache.

Also, the "unnecessary effort" statement - do you hear yourself? A conversation that took one minute, maximum, and got the desired result doesn't really appear to be effort but people see things differently.


This was a traditional looking barber shop, which is the kind of place that I've always gone to.  At every other shop I've asked for a "man's cut," gotten one, and paid the price for a man's cut.  I've never had this kind of issue before.

And yes, I hear myself--I have a beautiful voice, especially in my own head, and my jokes are hilarious.
The point was--I shouldn't have had to argue for a fair price for the work done in the first place, so I chose to take my money elsewhere.  As much as I enjoy debating and farking around on the internet, I don't enjoy actual face-to-face conflict, and I didn't enjoy having to argue back and forth with the woman.  I felt bad afterwards, enough though I really shouldn't have, and the whole thing just put a negative spin on my morning.  So fark them.  Maybe it works differently where you live, but I'm not obligated to spend my money at any particular establishment here, so I chose a more convenient option for my future haircut needs.  I'm sure they're doing just fine without my $20 (or maybe $30) every few weeks.
 
2014-04-10 11:36:36 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Because the Weeners was to charge her for a woman's cut rather than the cut she got? And the fact that she had to argue with the staff about it?

Your filter is still farking retarded, Drew. Also, your preview no longer displays the post as it appear on the page. You have shiatty programmers and should be embarrassed by the shoddy quality.


Is that just your opinion?
 
2014-04-10 11:42:40 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: deadlyplatypus: svanmeter: draft

If this is a joke...why shouldn't they have too?

He's referring to the requirement that all 18 year old males have to register with selective service (which is just a euphemism for a draft registry) while 18 year old females do not. There are significant penalties for failing to register which are selectively applied to men.

While we do not currently have a draft and it is unlikely that we will have one in the future, the underlying assumption is that only men will be conscripted if a draft is needed. For reference, this is the issue which caused some women to oppose the ERA. At the time we still had a draft and some women feared being conscripted into military service although they apparently had no issue with men being similarly conscripted.

The answer to your question is that women should be required to register with selective service but currently are not.


Oh, I know what he's talking about, I just didn't know if he was joking (believing that it would somehow be wrong for women to register for the draft/"selective service") or if he was actually rational/not a sexist and believed that they should have to register just like men have to.

This is one of the reasons I have less sympathy for some of the issues raised by people.

Everyone can now join the military, any branch. Women now serve on submarines. But only men can be conscripted to die because some politicians say so? That policy is just a little bit unbalanced and has larger implications than a lot of the policies people get ruffled about, but you never hear about it...don't know why.

/Doesn't apply to me
//Already active duty
///Just thinks possibly being forced to die for your country is a bigger inequality than those that actually get discussed.
 
2014-04-10 11:45:22 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Poot beer: GORDON: But I doubt it is a magical place that doesn't have any transportation, taxation, labor, energy, or storage costs.

Unless you're running a coffee/donut shop, if the revenue generated from the $1 coffee you provide in the lobby has a significant impact on any of those balance sheet items......you're doing it wrong.

Accounting, you're doing it wrong.

(Balance Sheet - Assets & Liabilities)
(Income Statement - Revenue & Expenses)


Pedanticism

/nailed it
 
2014-04-10 11:48:16 AM

ckccfa: This was a barbershop.  That's why I wasn't expecting any problems.


Wow, they did women's cuts.  The places I stuck to was those tiny places with maybe four chairs at most.  I definitely get the frustration of finding the right place after moving.  It took me a year to find a place I liked after moving to MI, but they didn't quite fit the bill (the price and conversation was there, but the cut wasn't), so I took over cutting my own hair.  The only perfect barber I found where all factors fell into place, is retired and opens shop at 'whenever he feels like it' times.

Pangea: I want the barber to lather me up, whip out that straight razor, and let it dance gently across my neck.

Trusting someone to do that requires a high level of confidence.

When I'm at the salon, I'm worried one of those cosmotologists is going to stab me with her shears, whilst she tells her neighbor about some inane shiat that happened in her personal life.

Give me a barber every time!


I recall the old days of barbers shaving the back of the neck, I didn't get my face straight razor shaved because they quit that service by the time I was old enough to shave.  I didn't care for the barber who took it upon himself to trim my mustache with his clippers.  I highly doubt he sanitized his clippers, at least the straight razor can be cleaned very easily.  I have been poked by shears a few times by a stylist, which is why I stuck to small barbershops.  I still remember a barber talking to everyone as he cut hair, but he would shut up and set to serious work when he started the shave.
 
2014-04-10 11:49:53 AM

Pathman: so yes - we "diverge" in that you think the law should be able to force that child to charge a particular price because you believe the reason why the prices differ is important.


Are you serious? Is that what you got from me saying I didn't care what he charged as long as he charged everyone the same price for the same service?

It's clearly time to end this conversation.

Poot beer: Is that just your opinion?


It's my professional opinion informed by twenty years in the software industry. So, yes, it's my opinion.

Filtering against "firsts" twenty pages into a thread is boneheaded design. His process of stripping whitespace from a post and then applying a simple regex to the remaining text block is similarly a Programming 101 approach which generates what I would consider to be an unacceptable level of false positives in any real application. The whole thing reeks of "meh, good enough".
 
2014-04-10 11:51:53 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: reprobate1125: There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?

OH the memories!  I loved the Ground Round when I lived in St. Louis.  It was on Lindbergh if I remember correctly.  It's long gone now though.


I had my 10th grade bday there. Good times.  I thought they were just a Jersey thing.

Now we have this place 9 to 5 that took over a lot of their old buildings.
 
2014-04-10 11:53:21 AM
Yeah, but men are the reason people go to buffet in the first place
/my wife could steak you under the table
 
2014-04-10 11:59:38 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The whole thing reeks of "meh, good enough".


As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.
 
2014-04-10 12:07:43 PM
www.craveonline.com

Problem solved.

/Also came for John Pinette thread round 2,
 
2014-04-10 12:14:14 PM

reprobate1125: Sasquach: reprobate1125: As a kid some of the Amish smorgasbords would charge kids by the pound...as in their weight. It was fun as a little kid but as I got into the tween years it was a little awkward to have people busting out calculators to figure out if they should charge my butt for as a kid or adult.

[www.bitterwallet.com image 410x308]

Shady Maple?

/love their spiced blood "stuff"

That was one of them!

Now that I think about it. There was a restaurant called The Ground Round.  Does anyone remember that?  Sort of a family restaurant place where you could watch cartoons on an old school 3 bulb projector. They gave you popcorn too.  Loved that place.


I work about 5 minutes from where that used to be. The property is a bank now...

/free popcorn!
 
2014-04-10 12:14:38 PM

Poot beer: As long as boob photos can still be posted, "meh, good enough" is, not surprisingly, good enough.

We're not tracking bosons in a particle accelerator here.


It never ceases to amaze me that people not only accept shoddy work but actually defend it.

We're not talking about tracking bosons in a particle accelerator, an afternoon's work could vastly improve Fark's filter which has sucked for close to a decade. Regarding the changes to posting format not being reflected in the preview, that could have been caught by five minutes of QA.
 
2014-04-10 12:21:06 PM

FirstNationalBastard: meow said the dog: Something is doing the telling of me that they do not have the knowledge of the roommate of me. She is quite the bigger person and let me say this to you. All she can have the eating of is the amount which will have to you the utterings of the awe inspiration. I am thinking sketch could put the Brazilion bikin waxing place and the restaurants out of the business.

I think the only question that can be asked here is "does she demolish the bathroom"?


I thought she just heels it down the drain in the shower.
 
2014-04-10 12:31:17 PM
How is basic biology a fail? Is it that they noticed it? Is it that they're being mean to the poor, downtrodden menfolk?
 
2014-04-10 12:41:39 PM
Not my fault the ladies can't keep up!
 
2014-04-10 12:42:57 PM

ckccfa: Pathman: as for your hairdresser example, how is the all you can eat principle any different?  Men tend to be able to eat more so they are being charged for what they are "getting done" as well.

Women tend to have longer hair and it costs more and takes more time to cut.  Why shouldn't that cost more than some guy getting a high and tight?

/csb
When I first moved to my current city, I went for a haircut.  Picked a place that had good reviews on Yelp.  I'm a woman, but I am also a very butch lesbian, so I go for a traditional man's cut--real short on the sides, a little less short on the top, straight line across the back, done.  My hair is stick straight, so easy to use the clippers for everything.
The shop I went to charged $20 for men's cuts, $30 for women's.  As I get there, two other guys are being seated to have their hair cut by the two old-man barbers.  I get picked up by one of the women.  I ask for a "man's cut," and she does my hair with just the clippers (which is totally fine).  My cut is finished before either of the men that were seated before me.  When it comes time to pay, the woman tries to charge me $30 for a women's cut.
Me: But I got a man's cut.
Her: Yes, but you're a woman.
Me: But the actual work you did was what you price as $20, not $30.
Her: But you're a woman.
Me: I'm not paying $10 more just for my ovaries.  I asked for a man's cut, and that's what you did.  According to your pricing board, I owe $20.
Her: Uuuhhh...I can't change the prices.
Me: Then I need to talk to someone who can.
She turns to some other woman, who waves her off and says it's "fine."  I pay my $20 and leave, to never return again.  At the time that I leave, the other two men are still getting their hair cut.

I've had the same haircut for years, and have always been charged the men's price, because that was the amount of work being done.  This place astounded me for it's sheer adherence to gender--I was supposed to pay $10 more for something that took waaaaay less t ...

 
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