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(Daily Mail)   One million people are buried on this NYC island and no family members are allowed to visit their graves because it's too dangerous. To be a forgotten soul is pretty lonely   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 111
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2014-04-09 08:43:25 PM
The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.
 
2014-04-09 09:01:40 PM

urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.


Angel Island in San Francisco Bay had a battery, and no, they weren't nukes

/you can hike or bike up to it now
//Hart Island is pretty interesting on Google Earth, too
 
2014-04-09 09:17:33 PM

urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.


We have the Nike missile sites down on the Jersey shore and I visit them all the time. Especially the one on Sandy Hook. Look up the 1958 accident which killed 28 men.(not sure of dates and men off the top of my head)
 
2014-04-09 09:22:44 PM
Hmm, I don't think they'll notice.
 
2014-04-09 09:23:38 PM

rockforever: Hmm, I don't think they'll notice.


Yeah, what with them being dead.

Might be sad for us, though. I'll give you that.
 
2014-04-09 09:26:20 PM
we'll all get a cardboard box on hart island

I wrote a poem about that once

it was pretty.....
 
2014-04-09 09:27:30 PM
Yeah, my quondam G/F's dad got his medical degree from John's Hopkins many years ago, and ended up with a skull from some paupers-grave internee, probably a young black woman from Baltimore. Evidently it was fairly common practice to hand out bones like candy in medical schools for instructional purposes back in the day.
/ does not personally care... You're dead, get over it.
 
2014-04-09 09:28:43 PM
when the zombie apocalypse comes... don't be anywhere near here
 
2014-04-09 09:31:15 PM
Why bother?  Why not just chuck the carcasses in an incinerator and generate some power with them?
 
2014-04-09 09:32:10 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.

Angel Island in San Francisco Bay had a battery, and no, they weren't nukes

/you can hike or bike up to it now
//Hart Island is pretty interesting on Google Earth, too


AlwaysRightBoy: urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.

We have the Nike missile sites down on the Jersey shore and I visit them all the time. Especially the one on Sandy Hook. Look up the 1958 accident which killed 28 men.(not sure of dates and men off the top of my head)


I was referencing the once-upon-a-time reason. IIRC the launchers we deactivated in the 50s.   The other battery in NYC was at Fort Tilden and you can go right into the launch area - but it is in pretty rough shape. IIRC that one was still in use until SALT I
 
2014-04-09 09:32:44 PM

maxheck: Yeah, my quondam G/F's dad got his medical degree from John's Hopkins many years ago, and ended up with a skull from some paupers-grave internee, probably a young black woman from Baltimore. Evidently it was fairly common practice to hand out bones like candy in medical schools for instructional purposes back in the day.
/ does not personally care... You're dead, get over it.


Such a cavalier disrespect for others; are you a politician or cop? No? Lawyer?
 
2014-04-09 09:34:59 PM
"It is forbidden to film and photograph the uninhabited, windswept island. Visits must be authorized by the Department of Corrections, which runs the island."

BS.  I can take a picture of your stupid island if I want to.  The post 911 "can't take a picture of anything" BS is just BS.
 
2014-04-09 09:36:25 PM
Ahhhh...so THAT's where they bury the survivors.
 
2014-04-09 09:37:19 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.

We have the Nike missile sites down on the Jersey shore and I visit them all the time. Especially the one on Sandy Hook. Look up the 1958 accident which killed 28 men.(not sure of dates and men off the top of my head)


There is an abandoned Nike base in San Pedro, CA right by Fort MacArthur, and with the exception of a few old buildings, totally open to the public.  You can still see some of the concrete structures and such.  There were some nuclear warheads developed by the program (Nike Hercules, Zeus?) but I'm not sure how many were ever deployed.  In any event, the missiles would have been retired decades ago and wouldn't affect visiting the site any more than say, going to Montauk ( and old SAGE radar station) or the ICBM silos in the midwest that some people now live in.
 
2014-04-09 09:37:28 PM
We are a sick species.
 
2014-04-09 09:38:00 PM
The occupants don't care, I assure you.
 
2014-04-09 09:38:09 PM

RatMaster999: Why bother?  Why not just chuck the carcasses in an incinerator and generate some power with them?


I'm mostly pissed places like this and farking like 50% of Queens could be used for affordable housing (well, the island might not be affordable, but the queens graveyards could). farking dead people be jackin' my farking rent! farkers!
 
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2014-04-09 09:39:54 PM

JoieD'Zen: maxheck: Yeah, my quondam G/F's dad got his medical degree from John's Hopkins many years ago, and ended up with a skull from some paupers-grave internee, probably a young black woman from Baltimore. Evidently it was fairly common practice to hand out bones like candy in medical schools for instructional purposes back in the day.
/ does not personally care... You're dead, get over it.

Such a cavalier disrespect for others; are you a politician or cop? No? Lawyer?


That post evinces no "disrespect for others."
 
2014-04-09 09:41:27 PM
The most popular real estate in NYC.  Folks are just dying to get in there.
 
2014-04-09 09:42:04 PM

HexMadroom: when the zombie apocalypse comes... don't be anywhere near here


"When the zombie apocalypse comes" you don't want to be anywhere near a large population center to begin with.
 
2014-04-09 09:42:24 PM

p the boiler: We are a sick species.


We sure are. If we're civilized like other species, we'd eat our stillborn babies. What a waste of good meat.
 
2014-04-09 09:42:45 PM

maxheck: Yeah, my quondam G/F's dad got his medical degree from John's Hopkins many years ago,


I learned a new word today.

/I now wish to live in a quonset hut on Rhode Island, solely so I can move out and refer, knowingly, to my quondam Quonset in Quonset.
//little things...
 
2014-04-09 09:42:52 PM

urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.


its because the island is covered in dangerous, disintegrating buildings, unstable earth (from a century of burying bodies without a lot of thought for the future,) convict  work gangs for when they are doing the burials and a complete lack of budget or interest to make it safe and accessible for the tiny group of people who exist who would be willing to go see it.
 
2014-04-09 09:46:55 PM
Check out all the Chicago-area missile locations and scroll down for the great picture of a Nike Hercules missile being readied at Montrose Harbor on the lakefront.
 
2014-04-09 09:49:00 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: RatMaster999: Why bother?  Why not just chuck the carcasses in an incinerator and generate some power with them?

I'm mostly pissed places like this and farking like 50% of Queens could be used for affordable housing (well, the island might not be affordable, but the queens graveyards could). farking dead people be jackin' my farking rent! farkers!


But could you trust the developers to move the headstones and the BODIES?!?!?!
/poltergeist
 
2014-04-09 09:49:59 PM
Old NIKE base near Oxford, OH.
 
2014-04-09 09:53:41 PM

p the boiler: We are a sick species.


Your naivete is adorable.

Sentimentality connecting people to rotting piles of flesh is great and all for some folks, but they'd be better off as biofuel. Circle of life and all.

Damn normal people and their emotions getting in the way of progress...
 
2014-04-09 09:54:41 PM
What the fark is it with humans and graves. They're DEAD, people. I have lots of dead family members (including some very close) and not once have I ever wanted to visit their grave. I mean what is the point. This is why I want to be put in the ground plain or ground up in to tasty bits for micro-organisms when I die. No burying, no embalming, let my body be eaten by critters and put back in the dirt.
 
2014-04-09 09:58:14 PM

JosephFinn: Check out all the Chicago-area missile locations and scroll down for the great picture of a Nike Hercules missile being readied at Montrose Harbor on the lakefront.


"Nike Missile Base C-44 at Wolf Lake in Chicago"

I'll have to look for that next time I drive the skyway south out of Chicago. Might have to wait until next winter, I suspect even a little vegetation will hide it.

I've been to the San Pedro Nike site mentioned upthread, about ten years ago.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:33 PM

ArcadianRefugee: HexMadroom: when the zombie apocalypse comes... don't be anywhere near here

"When the zombie apocalypse comes" you don't want to be anywhere near a large population center to begin with.


I dunno they mostly just stumble around in a tight pack vying to get ahead of one another in some sort of oddball social decorum only the brainless would understand.  You can walk right among them and they'll even give you the right of way, all you gotta do is refer to yourself as an iGenius.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:59 PM

zerkalo: Serious Post on Serious Thread: RatMaster999: Why bother?  Why not just chuck the carcasses in an incinerator and generate some power with them?

I'm mostly pissed places like this and farking like 50% of Queens could be used for affordable housing (well, the island might not be affordable, but the queens graveyards could). farking dead people be jackin' my farking rent! farkers!

But could you trust the developers to move the headstones and the BODIES?!?!?!
/poltergeist


Dude. For a significant discount in rent, they could stack coffins in my apt lobby or mulch bodies for park fertilizer.

/THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH
 
2014-04-09 10:03:48 PM
Too dangerous? How does that explain the prohibition on taking photos?
 
2014-04-09 10:04:21 PM

rbuzby: "It is forbidden to film and photograph the uninhabited, windswept island. Visits must be authorized by the Department of Corrections, which runs the island."

BS.  I can take a picture of your stupid island if I want to.  The post 911 "can't take a picture of anything" BS is just BS.


There's lots of places where no, you may Not take pictures - and it's been that way long before 9/11. Tour any large manufacturing plant and try to snap a few photos. Some places will gently remind you to put your camera away, some places will make you lock everything up before hand. Boeing flat out says if you get caught with a camera they will take it from you and you will not get it back (and you'll be prosecuted, but you already knew that, right?)
Yes, a public cemetery is different than a business but until the courts rule against the policy, you don't have much choice.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:27 PM
The island is off limits because the department of corrections doesn't want people interacting with the convict work crews or leaving them contraband. Of course, for those people that have a legitimate reason to visit the island, the doc treats them like they do just about everyone else.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:53 PM

rbuzby: "It is forbidden to film and photograph the uninhabited, windswept island. Visits must be authorized by the Department of Corrections, which runs the island."

BS.  I can take a picture of your stupid island if I want to.  The post 911 "can't take a picture of anything" BS is just BS.


its only forbidden in the sense that since you are allowed on the island, you obviously can't take pictures on the island. if you want to take a boat, go over to whatever the restriction edge is and snap away with a camera, you're welcome to
 
2014-04-09 10:15:00 PM
Maybe the people need to recover it using Eminent Domain. Pay a fair market value for it. The same fair market they've been giving us; nothing.
 
2014-04-09 10:16:51 PM
New York City has a number of islands are were never inhabited, or were inhabited and abandoned for some reason or other.

Here are a few:

North Brother Island http://kingstonlounge.blogspot.com/2011/01/north-brother-island-river s ide-hospital.html

Rat Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Island,_New_York

Shooters Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooters_Island
 
2014-04-09 10:24:57 PM
I don't know anyone tht wld be buried there, but i'd love to explore the island for the creepy factor and because abaandoned buildings, especially institutional ones (schools, hospitals, churches, etc..) fascinate me. I got to explore the old Saint John General hospital one night a few months before it was demolished. It was awesome. Especially the view from the roof.
 
2014-04-09 10:25:09 PM

Momzilla59: rbuzby: "It is forbidden to film and photograph the uninhabited, windswept island. Visits must be authorized by the Department of Corrections, which runs the island."

BS.  I can take a picture of your stupid island if I want to.  The post 911 "can't take a picture of anything" BS is just BS.

There's lots of places where no, you may Not take pictures - and it's been that way long before 9/11. Tour any large manufacturing plant and try to snap a few photos. Some places will gently remind you to put your camera away, some places will make you lock everything up before hand. Boeing flat out says if you get caught with a camera they will take it from you and you will not get it back (and you'll be prosecuted, but you already knew that, right?)
Yes, a public cemetery is different than a business but until the courts rule against the policy, you don't have much choice.


That isn't the same thing. Factories are private property. They can do that. They can't, however, stop you from taking pictures on public property, even if the subject is private property.
 
2014-04-09 10:28:13 PM
Probably one of the most Famous person buried over there is Disney child star Bobby Driscoll, who died at age 31 in 1968 from a drug overdose. He was found in an abandoned building with no ID and was buried in Potters Field. A year later his mother was looking for him because his father was dying. Unable to retrieve his body she left a centopath on his father's grave.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Driscoll
 
2014-04-09 10:33:25 PM

urger: The real reason people weren't allowed to visit Hart Island was that it was also home to one of the Army's Nike Missile batteries - directly attached to NORAD, though I believe they were not nukes.


Got any wire cutters?
 
2014-04-09 10:33:47 PM
Since 2007, it has allowed a few visitors forced to view the grave sites from a distant gazebo

Those poor visitors, forced to view the dead.
 
2014-04-09 10:34:51 PM

Fissile: New York City has a number of islands are were never inhabited, or were inhabited and abandoned for some reason or other.

Here are a few:

North Brother Island http://kingstonlounge.blogspot.com/2011/01/north-brother-island-river s ide-hospital.html

Rat Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Island,_New_York

Shooters Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooters_Island


It doesn't seem as though any NY island isn't filled with weird creepy shiat.

And then there is Plum Island and it's monster lab that is now apparently going to be turned into Townhomes.
 
2014-04-09 10:36:47 PM
A couple of pictures of the old hospital I mentioned above, well, one picture, and one postcard depicting it...

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We climbed all the way up to the cupola... the whole thing was on a cliff, so the city view was amazing.
 
2014-04-09 10:42:02 PM
 
2014-04-09 10:46:21 PM
I've been on that island.  I interned for the city one summer and our boss made sure we had fun field trips every couple of weeks.

/Also shot at the Department of Corrections shooting range, toured the inside of several units at Rikers Island and cruised the harbor in Coast Guard speedboats.  It was a fun summer.
 
2014-04-09 10:46:52 PM

RatMaster999: Why bother?  Why not just chuck the carcasses in an incinerator and generate some power with them?



Humans don't make good firewood. Sure, we burn. But it takes energy to get us burning, and keep us burning.
 
2014-04-09 10:46:56 PM

dopekitty74: A couple of pictures of the old hospital I mentioned above, well, one picture, and one postcard depicting it...

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We climbed all the way up to the cupola... the whole thing was on a cliff, so the city view was amazing.


where's the cool button

such a shame. and it looks like new jersey is bound and determined to get rid of that kirkbride, the fools
 
2014-04-09 10:51:31 PM
Wouldn't cremation be easier?
 
2014-04-09 10:55:08 PM
Sounds like a great place for certain Mayors to dispose of......ahem.....problems.
 
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