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(CNN)   Short-term thinking, personal irresponsibility, cynicism about playing by the rules, an aversion to socially productive labor - this is why poor people are poor. Wait, scratch that, that's why rich people are rich   (cnn.com) divider line 68
    More: Ironic, Thomas Piketty, national income, selfishness, income inequality, productive labour, poverty, wealths, inner-city  
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2014-04-09 11:53:11 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: I've had the benefit of working with a number of very wealthy (enough to own multiple airplanes and rarely go into the office) people, most of which started from rather humble beginnings.  I'd say the headline is pretty accurate from my personal experience.

While many are workaholics, not all of them were.  The overwhelming trend I've seen was not caring about what the law was, if they thought they wouldn't get caught, or that the punishment was small enough (at least the first few times you were caught) to not care about it.  Also quite a few of them really enjoyed manipulating people for their amusement.


The ones that I've dealt with that always confuse me are the ones that are in a family business, rich as god, and they'll not think twice about completely farking over a family member if it means a few more bucks in their pocket. I just can't imagine any situation where I A) would not want to share my family wealth with my family, and B) would actively screw people over for money when I've already got more money than any honest person would ever need.

Maybe that's why I suffer from chrometophobia. I'm terrified that there's just something intrinsic to wealth that'll turn a normal person into a complete waste of skin.
 
2014-04-10 12:26:49 AM  

powtard: It's odd how all of our social & political structures tend to devolve into feudalism.  It's as if something is ingrained into our species that there always has to be "someone at the top".   You see it in companies large & small, political organizations, even charities and religious institutions.  It's as if most of the human population can't handle the idea of there not being someone at the top deserving more than everyone else.


Actually in a lot of preliterate cultures there will be a Big Man who will be the authority for the band, but there are also levelling mechanisms that ensure the Big Man doesn't monopolize the resources of the band. Basically, if the Big Man doesn't spread the wealth evenly he won't be Big Man for long.

As civilization developed and societies grew in population so too did the propensity for negative reciprocity. The bigger the population the less likely there would be negative consequences to screwing over people you are less familiar with. In band societies were there are only 50 to 100 people you start screwing people over it's not long until you're kicked out of the band and left to fend for yourself in the wilderness.

Of course levelling mechanisms take place in modern societies too. The rich can only stand on the necks of the poor for so long before the poor rise up and numbers are always on the side of the poor. The rich will run out of bullets long before the poor run out of bodies. Sadly these sort of levelling mechanisms are never good for anyone, rich or poor. Revolution almost always leads to a period of instability where suffering is even greater than it was before the revolution. The rich are aware of this, but frankly they just don't care. They know the backlash is coming, but they're banking that they'll be long cold and gone before things break. That's why they've always been so surprised when revolution comes because they always convince themselves it's a long ways away.

Hurray! I got to use my education in anthropology in a Fark post. My University education was worth it!
 
2014-04-10 12:33:29 AM  
"Socially productive labor" .. what are, Antonio Gramsci's dead cousin?
 
2014-04-10 01:11:32 AM  
Do the mods that greenlight threads work in a blue room or something?

This site is farther to the left than Rachel Maddows dick.
 
2014-04-10 01:12:52 AM  

powtard: It's odd how all of our social & political structures tend to devolve into feudalism.  It's as if something is ingrained into our species that there always has to be "someone at the top".   You see it in companies large & small, political organizations, even charities and religious institutions.  It's as if most of the human population can't handle the idea of there not being someone at the top deserving more than everyone else.


We are not returning to feudalism. We tried that and evolved past it. Rich people understand that feudalism is very bad for making money. Thats why we no longer are in a feudalistic society; because its economics don't work in our world.
 
2014-04-10 02:48:32 AM  

powtard: It's odd how all of our social & political structures tend to devolve into feudalism.  It's as if something is ingrained into our species that there always has to be "someone at the top".   You see it in companies large & small, political organizations, even charities and religious institutions.  It's as if most of the human population can't handle the idea of there not being someone at the top deserving more than everyone else.


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure"
 
2014-04-10 02:58:32 AM  

Eponymous: wesmon: Where are all these immoral actions against the rich happening? I haven't seen any.

I see a whole lot of actions by the rich against the poor, but nothing from the other side.

Maybe what we need is for the poor majority to join together and fight back instead of buying that extra lottery ticket and dreaming of becoming rich.

Ever hear of EBT fraud?   Don't worry though...we're approaching the tipping point where the takers will outnumber the producers....that's when we will officially run out of "other people's money"


Actually, the takers have been sitting on top of the makers for too long already, and the problem is that their numbers are getting smaller as they push more people from the middle to the lower classes.
 
2014-04-10 06:33:43 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.


Yeah but when a poor guy is immoral a gas station gets robbed. When a rich guy is immoral Wallstreet crashes. It becomes a matter of scale.
 
2014-04-10 06:33:47 AM  

powtard: It's odd how all of our social & political structures tend to devolve into feudalism.  It's as if something is ingrained into our species that there always has to be "someone at the top".   You see it in companies large & small, political organizations, even charities and religious institutions.  It's as if most of the human population can't handle the idea of there not being someone at the top deserving more than everyone else.


It's the human ego, nothing more. Someone will always believe they are better than everyone else. As we evolve socially and through critical thinking, equality slowly becomes more prevalent.

We went from god kings and accepted slavery to widespread condemnation of such things. The next step is admitting wealth inequality isn't just one person having more stuff, it's a larger voice in a democracy that leads to actual inequality.
 
2014-04-10 06:53:31 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Do the mods that greenlight threads work in a blue room or something?

This site is farther to the left than Rachel Maddows dick.


It takes a true ideologue to see wealth inequality as red vs blue issue. Modern Republicans are too f'ing dumb to stand up for the rights their own fathers and grandfathers tirelessly protested for through unions.

What's left is a manipulated subservient constituency that obsequiously licks the shoes of their wealthy masters. Yup, the modern republican constituency is nothing but trained biatches. Now go back to work, your master calls.
 
2014-04-10 06:58:38 AM  
My theory is that shamelessness is often a major key to success.
 
2014-04-10 08:29:36 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Do the mods that greenlight threads work in a blue room or something?

This site is farther to the left than Rachel Maddows dick.


You've figured out the mods' darkest secret!  Stay where you are, the gay Muslim abortionist hit squad is on its way to force you to gay marry a turtle and give all your money to homeless people.  Don't fight them and it will all be over quickly.
 
2014-04-10 09:40:20 AM  

codigo: better to be a wiseass, instead of a dumbass.


We prefer the term SMARTASS.
 
2014-04-10 11:44:51 AM  
Sounds more like an argument for a return to higher inheritance taxes?  But then again, are we wanting to deny parents the right to provide for their children as they see fit?

Too bad there's no "asshole tax" that could be levied based on how much an asshole someone is.  That would be the fairest tax of all.
 
2014-04-10 11:49:21 AM  

elchupacabra: Sounds more like an argument for a return to higher inheritance taxes?  But then again, are we wanting to deny parents the right to provide for their children as they see fit?

Too bad there's no "asshole tax" that could be levied based on how much an asshole someone is.  That would be the fairest tax of all.


Half of Fark would be broke as a result of that tax.
 
2014-04-10 11:54:00 AM  

Teufelaffe: elchupacabra: Sounds more like an argument for a return to higher inheritance taxes?  But then again, are we wanting to deny parents the right to provide for their children as they see fit?

Too bad there's no "asshole tax" that could be levied based on how much an asshole someone is.  That would be the fairest tax of all.

Half of Fark would be broke as a result of that tax.


LOL -- nah, I'm thinking "asshole" would be more meta, like someone's example of "robbing a bank" versus crashing Wall Street.  That level of asshole where someone else gets financially ripped off.
 
2014-04-10 02:17:11 PM  

MayoSlather: AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.

Jesus tap dancing christ.

This is a pretty farking easy argument...The rich have rigged the rules for decades and have created system where capital is king, and labor is worthless. There is no middle ground both sides are wrong argument to be had here.


this this this
/eat the rich
 
2014-04-10 05:35:56 PM  

MayoSlather: AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.

Jesus tap dancing christ.

This is a pretty farking easy argument...The rich have rigged the rules for decades and have created system where capital is king, and labor is worthless. There is no middle ground both sides are wrong argument to be had here.


While it looks easy on the surface there are many things under it which makes it far more complicated

Do the rich rig the system? Most certainly yes. Without question they do. I can say this will 100% certainty. Why? Because people in power do whatever they can to get more power. Its human nature.

Rich people understand that the feudalistic society did not lend itself to the primary purpose of the creation of modern technology. Rich people understand that this technological paradise is only possible in a capitalist society. Just like every other person a rich person wants more things, bigger and better things, and feudalism doesn't provide the opportunities that capitalism does.

This is where the government has failed. We live in a wonderful technological paradise where peoples lives were improving year after year. Unfortunately the balance of power has fallen from labor. This has given management far more power than they should have, and they are rigging the game because it is human nature to do so. In order to counteract this massive imbalance labor needs to reassert themselves.

We live in such a wonderful world where many things can happen, but we have shot ourselves in the foot. Anarchic capitalism isn't the answer, but ridding capitalism completely from our society isn't the answer as well.

/It took modern banking for the industrial revolution to start.
 
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