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(CNN)   Short-term thinking, personal irresponsibility, cynicism about playing by the rules, an aversion to socially productive labor - this is why poor people are poor. Wait, scratch that, that's why rich people are rich   (cnn.com) divider line 68
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2014-04-09 05:51:48 PM  
Not true. Some rich people are workaholic. They are also assholes too.
 
2014-04-09 06:24:36 PM  
Most of the really rich people I know were born into it. There are exceptions of course. But I've never met a rich person who thinks he is or will admit that he's rich. Then I don't know any rappers.
 
2014-04-09 06:24:52 PM  
So basically sociopaths
 
2014-04-09 06:37:23 PM  

Mugato: Most of the really rich people I know were born into it. There are exceptions of course. But I've never met a rich person who thinks he is or will admit that he's rich. Then I don't know any rappers.


It's not a guarantee, but it's like buying a lotto ticket when there's only one number left to draw.
 
2014-04-09 06:38:45 PM  
After all this talk, I'm going to be really disappointed if I don't get to see a beheading.
 
2014-04-09 06:43:28 PM  

MisterTweak: It's not a guarantee, but it's like buying a lotto ticket when there's only one number left to draw.


I like that expression
 
2014-04-09 06:45:54 PM  

sithon: So basically sociopaths


How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?
 
2014-04-09 06:50:53 PM  

cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?


Hit a little close did it?
 
2014-04-09 07:06:56 PM  
I've had the benefit of working with a number of very wealthy (enough to own multiple airplanes and rarely go into the office) people, most of which started from rather humble beginnings.  I'd say the headline is pretty accurate from my personal experience.

While many are workaholics, not all of them were.  The overwhelming trend I've seen was not caring about what the law was, if they thought they wouldn't get caught, or that the punishment was small enough (at least the first few times you were caught) to not care about it.  Also quite a few of them really enjoyed manipulating people for their amusement.
 
2014-04-09 07:07:50 PM  

Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?


No I just felt like being a wiseass
 
2014-04-09 07:13:26 PM  
better to be a wiseass, instead of a dumbass.
 
2014-04-09 07:14:29 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: I've had the benefit of working with a number of very wealthy (enough to own multiple airplanes and rarely go into the office) people, most of which started from rather humble beginnings.  I'd say the headline is pretty accurate from my personal experience.

While many are workaholics, not all of them were.  The overwhelming trend I've seen was not caring about what the law was, if they thought they wouldn't get caught, or that the punishment was small enough (at least the first few times you were caught) to not care about it.  Also quite a few of them really enjoyed manipulating people for their amusement.


"The usual bet?"
"Sounds good, Mortimer"
 
2014-04-09 07:23:09 PM  

cman: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

No I just felt like being a wiseass


Would there be any credibility to a diagnoses that was pulled out of your ass if your ass were truly wise?
 
2014-04-09 07:24:53 PM  
 
2014-04-09 07:25:20 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: cman: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

No I just felt like being a wiseass

Would there be any credibility to a diagnoses that was pulled out of your ass if your ass were truly wise?


That is a great frain. Well, if that ass had a diploma, then I think the ass could do a diagnosis.
 
2014-04-09 07:25:39 PM  

MisterTweak: It's not a guarantee, but it's like buying a lotto ticket when there's only one number left to draw.


"Being born on third base, and thinking he hit a triple."
 
2014-04-09 07:27:34 PM  
Hmmm. I should be a freaking billionaire then
 
2014-04-09 07:33:12 PM  
Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.
 
2014-04-09 07:34:57 PM  

RanDomino: To drive it home, David Graeber: Caring too much- That's the curse of the working classes.


That explains why when I worked at grocery stores, it was always the stores in the poor neighborhoods that raised the most for donations for charity over the stores in rich neighborhoods.
 
2014-04-09 07:35:44 PM  

cman: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

No I just felt like being a wiseass


Yes, but a normal wiseass or a sociopathic one?
 
2014-04-09 07:41:23 PM  
I don't have the...

(sociopathic / psychopath / sacrifice others to benefit myself / "I got mine so fark you")

...gene required to make it to the top of today's America.
 
2014-04-09 07:42:09 PM  

Teufelaffe: cman: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

No I just felt like being a wiseass

Yes, but a normal wiseass or a sociopathic one?


Why not both?
 
2014-04-09 07:42:16 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: cman: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

No I just felt like being a wiseass

Would there be any credibility to a diagnoses that was pulled out of your ass if your ass were truly wise?


Cancer.
 
2014-04-09 07:43:32 PM  
So... How exactly do bootstraps play into this? Poor people should just start being bigger assholes?
 
2014-04-09 07:46:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.


Let's compromise.

Let's say both rich and poor are morally bankrupt. Let us also surmise that who is rich and who is poor comes down to luck or lack thereof.

Thus, to say that the poor are poor because of some character fault is a fallacy. Those same faults are also found in abundance with the rich.
 
2014-04-09 07:51:37 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.


It's painting one side or the other as evil that makes it easier to take immoral action against them.  That's the whole point of the class warfare going on right now, justification of doing things you know are wrong to whichever happens to be the other class from your perspective.  There are a lot of despicable people on both sides of the fence.
 
2014-04-09 07:51:53 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.

Let's compromise.

Let's say both rich and poor are morally bankrupt. Let us also surmise that who is rich and who is poor comes down to luck or lack thereof.

Thus, to say that the poor are poor because of some character fault is a fallacy. Those same faults are also found in abundance with the rich.


People is people.
 
2014-04-09 07:54:06 PM  
Money buys exemptions for bad choices.

That's really all you need to say.  The GOP constantly excoriates poor people for 'making bad choices', as that's the foundation of poverty in their dogma.  But they refuse to admit that the owner class can buy success for themselves, and for their children.   Affluenza means exactly how it was portrayed recently when that asshole kid killed people when he was driving.

You can't discharge your college debt by filing for bankruptcy, but New Jersey Real Housewives and their husbands can pay off $13 million in debt with just $7500.
 
2014-04-09 07:55:01 PM  

Teufelaffe: cman: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

No I just felt like being a wiseass

Yes, but a normal wiseass or a sociopathic one?


Certainly not a rich one.
 
2014-04-09 07:56:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.


Did you read the same article as the rest of us? It's a response to Paul Ryan's blatant attempt to badmouth the poor.  It doesn't do any of the things you claim it did.  At best, it shows how the upper 1% and the lowest 20% could be painted with the exact same description Ryan did.  The only difference the author points out is that the rich have money and the poor don't.
 
2014-04-09 07:58:46 PM  
You want to understand the situation?

The Pinata Theory
 
2014-04-09 07:59:23 PM  

Craw Fu: AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.

It's painting one side or the other as evil that makes it easier to take immoral action against them.  That's the whole point of the class warfare going on right now, justification of doing things you know are wrong to whichever happens to be the other class from your perspective.  There are a lot of despicable people on both sides of the fence.


Where are all these immoral actions against the rich happening? I haven't seen any.

I see a whole lot of actions by the rich against the poor, but nothing from the other side.

Maybe what we need is for the poor majority to join together and fight back instead of buying that extra lottery ticket and dreaming of becoming rich.
 
2014-04-09 08:01:07 PM  

Mugato: Most of the really rich people I know were born into it. There are exceptions of course. But I've never met a rich person who thinks he is or will admit that he's rich. Then I don't know any rappers.


I can introduce you to one. He grew up working in his grandpa's (and later his dad's) company. He started sweeping floors as a kid, and did pretty much every crap job in the place. He knows he's rich, and he knows why: all the guys and gals doing the dirty work.

Why yes, the company has a union. (it's a trade) No, there's never even been the threat of a strike. Yes, their pension is fully vested as written into the corporate rules by grandpa. No, he has no intent on changing that. Yes, his kids started sweeping the floors when they reached the proper age.
 
2014-04-09 08:02:53 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.


Jesus tap dancing christ.

This is a pretty farking easy argument...The rich have rigged the rules for decades and have created system where capital is king, and labor is worthless. There is no middle ground both sides are wrong argument to be had here.
 
2014-04-09 08:03:04 PM  

Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?


a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

Hmmm...Generally hate social gatherings and being around other people because they're annoying? Check. Not give a shiat that douchebag humans get hurt? Check. Generally not give a fark about people I have no control over or real way to help? Check.

What do I win?
 
2014-04-09 08:31:24 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.


So you disagree that ones morality affects their wealth? So how do you suppose people come to become rich or poor?
 
2014-04-09 08:32:03 PM  

Kit Fister: Ambivalence: cman: sithon: So basically sociopaths

How did you come by that diagnosis Doctor Sithon? Did you just pull it out of your ass?

Hit a little close did it?

a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

Hmmm...Generally hate social gatherings and being around other people because they're annoying? Check. Not give a shiat that douchebag humans get hurt? Check. Generally not give a fark about people I have no control over or real way to help? Check.

What do I win?


You should probably consider a career in politics but otherwise, nothing.
 
2014-04-09 08:37:15 PM  

EngineerAU: RanDomino: To drive it home, David Graeber: Caring too much- That's the curse of the working classes.

That explains why when I worked at grocery stores, it was always the stores in the poor neighborhoods that raised the most for donations for charity over the stores in rich neighborhoods.


True. When we road-blocked for charities, it was the poorest that gave the most.

/ashtray change is the dirtiest stuff ever.

Favorite road-block story: three times in one day a wealthy lady and her daughter in a new Mercedes went through our road-block collecting for leukemia. The third time, she finally said "we do all of our donations by check."
My fraternity brother did not skip a beat and responded: "we take checks.....if you have I.D."
She laughed and donated.
 
2014-04-09 08:41:50 PM  
Kevin Drum's review said that the rich only lose out in wars.  Yep, pretty much.  The rest of the time, wealth=power, and power gets to rig the rules.
 
2014-04-09 08:59:55 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 09:32:51 PM  

MayoSlather: After all this talk, I'm going to be really disappointed if I don't get to see a beheading.


I hear your tears go well with Chateau Rothschild.
 
2014-04-09 09:36:52 PM  
It is dangerous to stereotype anyone, but I think the article was spot on. The rich get away with acting the way they do because they CAN. If you gave the poor the same access and power do you really think they would act any different?

It's not a sickness of a class, its a sickness of the whole.

Having said that, the power that we hand over to these individuals by worshiping wealth is truly frightening.


/ abject poverty can warp your soul, but nothing like absolute power over your fellow man
// you have never seen real simpering and pandering until youve seen a billionaire walk into a room full of millionaires.
/// At least the poor have some pride.
 
2014-04-09 09:41:18 PM  

shift_DAWG: MisterTweak: It's not a guarantee, but it's like buying a lotto ticket when there's only one number left to draw.

"Being born on third base, and thinking he hit a triple."


Or in the case of the Waltons, being born on home plate for the World Series winning run, then proceeding to urinate on the rest of the team, the opposing team, the coaches, the media, and the fans.
 
2014-04-09 09:48:45 PM  

wesmon: Craw Fu: AverageAmericanGuy: Contrary to what the article author thinks, the problem isn't that the rich have money, but rather that the poor don't.

This article meets the very definition of class warfare. It declares the rich to be morally bankrupt and the cause of society's ills. It holds the irresponsibility of the poor up as a moral good while impugning the money-making actions of the rich as morally evil.

Wealth or lack thereof does not equate to morality. The crusaders on both sides of the aisle, from Paul Ryan on the right and the article author on the left, are wrong to make the leaps in logic and judgment they make to paint their targets as evil.

It's painting one side or the other as evil that makes it easier to take immoral action against them.  That's the whole point of the class warfare going on right now, justification of doing things you know are wrong to whichever happens to be the other class from your perspective.  There are a lot of despicable people on both sides of the fence.

Where are all these immoral actions against the rich happening? I haven't seen any.


Well, Obama got elected.  Twice.
 
2014-04-09 10:01:08 PM  
I work with poor disabled adults and rich peoples poor adult kids in a government employment program.

I have found rich people to have a totally unrealistic view of how social services work. They expect special treatment, all encompassing funding for all expenses and want every little problem solved immediately - screw the 200 other people on your case load.

They suck up all the resources they can while still providing plenty of under the table cash to their drug addicted children with dubious mental health disabilities related to throwing fits when not given what they want.

Rich peoples are often jerks - so are their snowflakes.

/ I would honestly rather try to find work for a blind one legged schizophrenic. Chances are they would actually be grateful and do all they could to stay employed.
 
2014-04-09 10:23:55 PM  

wesmon: Where are all these immoral actions against the rich happening? I haven't seen any.

I see a whole lot of actions by the rich against the poor, but nothing from the other side.

Maybe what we need is for the poor majority to join together and fight back instead of buying that extra lottery ticket and dreaming of becoming rich.


Ever hear of EBT fraud?   Don't worry though...we're approaching the tipping point where the takers will outnumber the producers....that's when we will officially run out of "other people's money"
 
2014-04-09 10:29:26 PM  

Mouser: wesmon: 

Where are all these immoral actions against the rich happening? I haven't seen any.

Well, Obama got elected.  Twice.


And he has been serving the Rich by only proposing Republican policies from twenty years ago.
His trade policies? Fast track "Free Trade" agreements
Number of bankers who destroyed the economy jailed? None.
Number tried? None.
His "stimulus"? About half was tax cuts for the rich.
ACA/Romneycare? Subsidy for the insurance companies
Cabinet and other top positions filled by Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, JP Morgan and oil industry alumni
 
2014-04-09 10:31:30 PM  
Eponymous:

Ever hear of EBT fraud?   Don't worry though...we're approaching the tipping point where the takers will outnumber the producers....that's when we will officially run out of "other people's money"

Yeah, it's running at about 2-4% which is incredibly good for any large program, corporate or government. The problem is that the real takers, the rich bastards, are running this country into the ground, turning the middle class poor and then starving the poor
 
2014-04-09 11:16:23 PM  

Mugato: Most of the really rich people I know were born into it. There are exceptions of course. But I've never met a rich person who thinks he is or will admit that he's rich. Then I don't know any rappers.


Chris Rock described it best.

Basketball players in the NBA are wealthy.

The white guy that signs their checks is rich.
 
2014-04-09 11:48:37 PM  
It's odd how all of our social & political structures tend to devolve into feudalism.  It's as if something is ingrained into our species that there always has to be "someone at the top".   You see it in companies large & small, political organizations, even charities and religious institutions.  It's as if most of the human population can't handle the idea of there not being someone at the top deserving more than everyone else.
 
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