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2014-04-09 05:17:00 PM

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.

Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.

Projection once again.  I'm sure it make sense in your head.


You're getting boring, why don't you mix it up a little?

Projection!  Squawk!  Projection!
 
2014-04-09 05:17:09 PM

Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

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/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...


This is the silver lining.  It makes me happy to think that some fat old white dude is wasting all his money stocking up on ammo.
 
2014-04-09 05:17:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ban != confiscation. Assault weapons != all firearms

And you wonder why we call you gun  nuts


Oh really?
 
2014-04-09 05:18:37 PM

dittybopper: This text is now purple: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr3355enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr3355e nr .pdf

Pages 202 and 203.

OK, let's look at that:


The point was to provide the legal definition of "assault weapons" as defined by the 1994 statute that first defined the term. Thus to short-circuit Duke's semantic biatching.
 
2014-04-09 05:19:41 PM

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.

Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.

Projection once again.  I'm sure it make sense in your head.

You're getting boring, why don't you mix it up a little?

Projection!  Squawk!  Projection!


You don't even have an argument except saying thing I did except turning it around.  I never use ignore but you are getting annoying.
 
2014-04-09 05:21:09 PM

Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...


One reason gun prices might still be high in the retail stores is the dealers sold off inventory and had to replace it with the distributors astronomically-marked-up inventory.  What I have been noticing over the last few months is that wholesale dealers are almost pre-scare levels on their pricing now.  I have an e-mail from one distributor advertising the Colt line at $549.00 per rifle, and another with the whole-kit-minus-lower for $350.00.
 
2014-04-09 05:22:00 PM

lamric: CynicalLA: I own a couple guns and always skip your posts.  You are the biggest gun nut on this site and have no credibility.

Actually Dittybopper is quite accurate in his statistics.  Here's some open-source gun data for you to peruse at your leisure.


Accurate or not, there's also the issue of paranoia...

I used to enjoy the gun threads here. But for the last couple of years now, they've become shameless circle-jerks slanted towards one side or the other, with more dick references than a Robert Schimmel comedy special (and yes, I'm aware that I've probably just did the same thing), and the paranoia has gone to plaid. To hear the usual posters in these threads tell it, I'm either a complete monster for just knowing what I do about guns - not even owning any; I don't - or I'm damn near a traitor for thinking that perhaps 100-round C-mags aren't really something that needs to be available to civilians. No middle ground.
 
2014-04-09 05:22:20 PM

Geotpf: Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot. She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.


No one in the country has benefited more from less-strict gun laws than Dianne Feinstein. She owes most of her $100M net worth to the assassination of Harvey Milk.
 
2014-04-09 05:22:46 PM

CynicalLA: I own a couple guns...


Darn, I missed this amongst the rest of your wharrgarbl.  So, now I see the issue:

I'm a retarded, cowardly, nut because I support your right to own "a couple guns."

I will admit you're a convincing argument for some sort of a written test prior to being allowed to purchase one, though.
 
2014-04-09 05:22:48 PM

impaler: This is an assault GUN

[olive-drab.com image 504x325]


Good gosh, I hate 105s. They took away our nice M110A2 howitzers and gave us 105mm popguns.
 
2014-04-09 05:23:25 PM

CynicalLA: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...

This is the silver lining.  It makes me happy to think that some fat old white dude is wasting all his money stocking up on ammo.


So racism is OK when talking about White folk? Clear as a bell.
 
2014-04-09 05:24:22 PM

This text is now purple: Geotpf: Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot. She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.

No one in the country has benefited more from less-strict gun laws than Dianne Feinstein. She owes most of her $100M net worth to the assassination of Harvey Milk.


now this is an A+ comment. lol
 
2014-04-09 05:24:42 PM

Mikey1969: CynicalLA: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...

This is the silver lining.  It makes me happy to think that some fat old white dude is wasting all his money stocking up on ammo.

So racism is OK when talking about White folk? Clear as a bell.


I'm white so I can make fun of white trash all day.
 
2014-04-09 05:24:47 PM

dk47: redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.

Your issue is with English speakers, Merriam-Webster and the OED. Not me. YOU are the one redefining words. You don't get to just pick definitions of words just because you like them.

Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

The ATF doesn't use the term assault rifle either. To them it's either a machine gun, a destructive device, or a normal firearm (shotgun, rifle, pistol). The ATF considers an AR-15 just a rifle. It considers an M-16 a machine gun. There's not really a way to reconcile the difference between the two if you want to class the weapons together in any meaningful way according to US law. A journalist writing about weapons like an AR-15 and calling them "assault rifles" is miserably failing AP style for these reasons, and mass media is where the redefinition is primarily being pushed from.

The whole assault weapons ban is a non sequitur in my opinion.  What we really need is strict criminal background checks, waiting periods, licensing and removing loopholes due to private party sales. This inconveniences hunters, sporters, paranoid homeowners etc. but in the end law abiding citizens should still be able to get and use the ...


Background checks need to have databases shored up. I doubt many people disagree with that. Waiting periods don't really do much from my POV, and so far the only court case that has challenged it to my knowledge is leaning toward them being unconstitutional. I'm fine with licensing as long as it's not unduly long or costly process, though I don't particularly like it. I'd be fine with allowing private sales with the requirement that bill of sale, along with identifying information of the gun and purchaser are kept for say, 10 years. Illinois' current system actually looks decent, though it does have a FOID to work off of.
 
2014-04-09 05:25:37 PM

Skyd1v: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...

One reason gun prices might still be high in the retail stores is the dealers sold off inventory and had to replace it with the distributors astronomically-marked-up inventory.  What I have been noticing over the last few months is that wholesale dealers are almost pre-scare levels on their pricing now.  I have an e-mail from one distributor advertising the Colt line at $549.00 per rifle, and another with the whole-kit-minus-lower for $350.00.


Well, that's what TFA was saying, too, which is good news. I should buy more ammo for my SKS before people freak out again, though. remember, it wasn't just gun prices that were high, ammo not only went up, but was often out of stock..
 
2014-04-09 05:26:29 PM

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.

Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.

Projection once again.  I'm sure it make sense in your head.

You're getting boring, why don't you mix it up a little?

Projection!  Squawk!  Projection!

You don't even have an argument except saying thing I did except turning it around.  I never use ignore but you are getting annoying.


Still boring me.  You just can't grasp it, can you?  Your whole argument is "Look at these pussies with their guns.  Aren't these guys pussies?  I'm intimidated of them.  Yeah, they're the pussies." and you lacking any sort of self-observation to see what you are doing.  Projection indeed.
 
2014-04-09 05:27:05 PM
I could use the the exact same rationale as the anti gun folks in this thread and elsewhere to make an argument for the temperance movement. I don't think many folks would be quite as gung ho about that though.
 
2014-04-09 05:27:42 PM

CynicalLA: The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.


"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

"I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)

"Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option - keep your gun but permit it."
Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea ... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
Charles Krauthammer, columnist, 4/5/96 Washington Post

"Ban the damn things. Ban them all. You want protection? Get a dog."
Molly Ivins, columnist, 7/19/94

"[To get a] permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn't count!"
John Silber, former chancellor of Boston University and candidate for Governor of Massachusetts. Speech before the Quequechan Club of Fall River, MA. August 16, 1990

"I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um, people have woken up, quote, to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the banning of semiassault military weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step."
Mayor Barbara Fass, Stockton, CA

"Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed."
Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington Evening Star on September 19, 1969)

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, 11/18/93, Associated Press interview

"Yes, I'm for an outright ban (on handguns)."
Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., during a 60 Minutes interview.

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers... No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress
"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think - I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
William J. Clinton, 8/11/93

"The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take...we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases."
U.S. Representative William Clay, quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 6, 1991.

"I don't believe gun owners have rights."
Sarah Brady, Hearst Newspapers Special Report "Handguns in America", October 1997

"We must get rid of all the guns."
Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil Donahue Show" September 1994

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
Sarah Brady 7/1/88

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..."
U.S. Representative Charles Schumer, quoted on NBC, 11/30/93

"My bill ... establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of all handguns."
U.S. Representative Major Owens, Congressional Record, 11/10/93

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily, given political realities, going to be very modest. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns in the United States, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered, and the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns, and all handgun ammunition illegal."
Nelson T. Shields of Hangun Control, Inc. as quoted in `New Yorker' magazine July 26, 1976. Page 53f

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to buy a handgun."
President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Michael K. Beard, Washington Times 12/6/93 p.A1

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"The sale, manufacture, and possession of handguns ought to be banned...We do not believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to keep them."
The Washington Post - "Legal Guns Kill Too" - November 5, 1999

"There is no reason for anyone in the country, for anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to Change the Constitution."
USA Today - Michael Gartner - Former president of NBC News - "Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?" - January 16, 1992

"I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns,"
Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, 2012

" 4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
            (1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
            (2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
            (3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations."
Legislation introduced in Missouri. 2013

"Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective." NIJ Memo on a new "Assault Weapon" Ban. 2013
"The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection" (Warrantless searches by law enforcement?)
Washington State Senate Bill 5737 (2013)

"the state of Iowa should take semi-automatic weapons away from Iowans who have legally purchased them prior to any ban that is enacted if they don't give their weapons up in a buy-back program.  Even if you have them, I think we need to start taking them,"
Iowa state Iowa state Rep. Dan Muhlbauer (D-Manilla) 2013


California Senate Bill 374 (Steinberg 2013) would expand the definition of "Assault Weapons" to include ALL semi-auto rifles (including rimfire calibers) that accept a detachable magazine. SB374 would ban on the sale and possession of ALL Semi-Auto rifles and require registration to retain legal possession in the future.

California Senate Bill 47 (Yee 2013) would expand the definition of "Assault Weapons" to include rifles that have been designed/sold and or equipped to use the "bullet button" or similar device. SB47 would ban on the sale and possession of ALL those Semi-Auto rifles and require registration to retain legal possession in the future.

California Assembly Bill 174 (Bonta 2013) would ban the possession of any firearms that were "grandfathered " for possession if registered in previous "Assault Weapons" gun control schemes. Californians that trusted the State of California and registered their firearms will be required to surrender the firearms to the Government or face arrest. Passage of AB174 would make SB374/SB47 (above) into confiscation mandates.

California Senate Bill 396 (Hancock 2013) would ban the possession of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than 10 cartridges. ALL currently grandfathered "high-cap" magazines would become ILLEGAL to possess and the owners subject to arrest and the magazines confiscated. ("High-cap" means a capacity that has been standard, that the firearms were designed for, since the 40's--AK pattern rifles--or 60's--AR pattern rifles.)

"We want everything on the table. This is a moment of opportunity. There's no question about it...We're on a roll now, and I think we've got to take the-you know, we're gonna push as hard as we can and as far as we can."
Illinois Rep Jan Schakowsky says assault rifle ban just the beginning, 'moment of opportunity' and seeks to ban handguns (2013).

"People who own guns are essentially a sickness in our souls who must be cleansed."
Colorado Senator (Majority Leader) John Morse. 2013 (Cleansed?  "Final Solution" anyone?)

"We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate."
Discussion among Senator Loretta Weinberg (D37), Senator Sandra Cunningham (D31), Senator Linda Greenstein (D14) of New Jersey's State Legislature, May 9, 2013

"No one in this country should have guns."
Superior Court Judge, Robert C. Brunetti, Bristol, CT. September, 2013

Proposed Missouri Bill to ban "assault weapons":
4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.
 
2014-04-09 05:28:45 PM

BgJonson79: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.

If crime is that low, why ban guns to lower crime?

The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.

Aren't there several respectable links above me to direct President Obama quotes on the subject?


No. They include fake Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and Reagan quotes, so they are not respectable for all values of respectable that include being in accordance with empirical, historical, and factual reality.
 
2014-04-09 05:28:52 PM
dittybopper: Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

not only that, but he signed into law the ability for people to carry weapons in national parks.

media3.washingtonpost.com

this fruitcake with the sign was at that rally with his tri-cornered-hat-wearing buddies because they were allowed to be; yet they were protesting Obama, and guns, and tyranny, and whatever the fark else was on their minds. These farks bought up the guns. These farks bought up the ammo. These farks drove prices high, and me out of the market. These farks make gun owners look like shiat.

and all in response to Obama expanding gun rights.
 
2014-04-09 05:29:33 PM

JesseL: CynicalLA: The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

"I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)

"Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option - keep your gun but permit it."
Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea ... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that directio ...


Like I said, paranoid.  They are coming to take your guns.  You better stock up.
 
2014-04-09 05:30:16 PM

redmid17: dk47: redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.

Your issue is with English speakers, Merriam-Webster and the OED. Not me. YOU are the one redefining words. You don't get to just pick definitions of words just because you like them.

Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

The ATF doesn't use the term assault rifle either. To them it's either a machine gun, a destructive device, or a normal firearm (shotgun, rifle, pistol). The ATF considers an AR-15 just a rifle. It considers an M-16 a machine gun. There's not really a way to reconcile the difference between the two if you want to class the weapons together in any meaningful way according to US law. A journalist writing about weapons like an AR-15 and calling them "assault rifles" is miserably failing AP style for these reasons, and mass media is where the redefinition is primarily being pushed from.

The whole assault weapons ban is a non sequitur in my opinion.  What we really need is strict criminal background checks, waiting periods, licensing and removing loopholes due to private party sales. This inconveniences hunters, sporters, paranoid homeowners etc. but in the end law abiding citizens should still be able to get and us ...


Welp apparently there a bunch of people in one state who are against background checks.  We'll see if it passes this go 'round.

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/02/gun_background_che ck _bill_shuf.html
 
2014-04-09 05:30:59 PM

BgJonson79: He wants to re-up the assault weapons ban.  Isn't that the definition of banning guns?


The ban was on importing and manufacturing. If you're sane and not a criminal, you get to keep your personal knockoff of Stoner's Plastastic Folly.
 
2014-04-09 05:31:09 PM
My AR has yet to assault anyone. Must be broken.
 
2014-04-09 05:31:34 PM

dk47: The whole assault weapons ban is a non sequitur in my opinion.  What we really need is strict criminal background checks, waiting periods, licensing and removing loopholes due to private party sales. This inconveniences hunters, sporters, paranoid homeowners etc. but in the end law abiding citizens should still be able to get and use the ...


I agree.  Attempting to ban  types of guns (beyond the long existing near total ban on full autos) just results in petty arguments about how the ban is stupid, as it's nearly impossible for such a ban to be of any use unless it's massively broad, so you end up just banning things randomly (like the 1994 Assault Weapons ban, which (as mentioned many times) banned guns that were no more lethal than ones it didn't ban).

The proper response, IMHO, after Newtown would have been something along the lines of the following:

1. The Federal government would take control of all regulation of guns.  No state or local restriction could be tougher (or weaker) than the Federal one.  (Local gun control laws are useless because there a device called an automobile that allows criminals to drive from a place with weak laws and buy guns there and then take them to a place with strict laws, plus the Feds have the constitutional right to "well-regulate the milita").

2. There would be a website and toll free number which would need to be checked before any gun transfer of any kind (sale, gift, whatever).  The buyer would have to supply something like first and last name and date of birth, and it would shoot back a "Ok to sell" or a "Not ok to sell" binary answer to the seller when he looks them up.  The data on felons and people with mental health issues would be strengthened to make sure the "Not ok to sell" list was up to date and accurate as possible.

3. There would be a standard, nationwide, concealed carry permit process, run by the Federal government.

I think this type of thing could have passed Congress (including the House) and would have helped keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them (as well as expanding the rights of others to buy, own, and use guns for non-evil purposes).  But, nope, compromise is dead.
 
2014-04-09 05:32:23 PM

CynicalLA: They are coming to take your guns.


Nah, they may try, but they will fail.  Again.
 
2014-04-09 05:34:05 PM

Geotpf: Of course, Harvey Milk was shot by an ex-cop with his former service revolver, so basically no gun control law could have ever prevented his murder (other than banning all guns by all private citizens).


NYC basically does that (it bans guns possessed by on-duty National Guardsmen!), and even it has an exception for concealed carry by retired cops.
 
2014-04-09 05:34:39 PM

JesseL: CynicalLA: The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

"I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)

"Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option - keep your gun but permit it."
Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea ... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that directio ...


Man, you're really paranoid to make all that up.
 
2014-04-09 05:34:52 PM

ultraholland: dittybopper: Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

not only that, but he signed into law the ability for people to carry weapons in national parks.

[media3.washingtonpost.com image 707x470]

this fruitcake with the sign was at that rally with his tri-cornered-hat-wearing buddies because they were allowed to be; yet they were protesting Obama, and guns, and tyranny, and whatever the fark else was on their minds. These farks bought up the guns. These farks bought up the ammo. These farks drove prices high, and me out of the market. These farks make gun owners look like shiat.

and all in response to Obama expanding gun rights.


That's the one he specifically let die in court before he signed it because it was a rider attached to the largest economic bill he signed?
 
2014-04-09 05:34:57 PM
Geotpf: plus the Feds have the constitutional right to "well-regulate the milita"

uuhhhh....
 
2014-04-09 05:35:00 PM

CynicalLA: Like I said, paranoid. They are coming to take your guns. You better stock up.


I might be paranoid, but there are a number of people that really do want to start banning guns. To deny that they exist is just silly.

I'm not too worried though. There are fewer true believers on the opposing side every year. Their movement is in its death throes.

For myself, I have plenty of guns. If I'm honest with myself I have more than I'll ever need. Most of what I plan to have in the future I'll be building myself.
 
2014-04-09 05:35:35 PM

BgJonson79: Do you support disarming the police?


I support removing all police exceptions from arms and monitoring laws. Police should be civilians -- nothing less and nothing more.
 
2014-04-09 05:36:22 PM

CynicalLA: Like I said, paranoid. They are coming to take your guns. You better stock up.


Now that's funny.  Better.


quotes:  "We're coming to take your guns"

LA:  "Hahah, you're paranoid to think they're coming to take your guns"


Keep it up.  Entertain me, monkey.
 
2014-04-09 05:38:16 PM

This text is now purple: Geotpf: Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot. She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.

No one in the country has benefited more from less-strict gun laws than Dianne Feinstein. She owes most of her $100M net worth to the assassination of Harvey Milk.


No question her political career was advanced by such (she became mayor of San Fran since the then current mayor was also killed in the attack).  Most of her money is from her husband (who is an investment banker).  Of course, there are accusations that companies he owned got government contracts in part due to who he was married to.
 
2014-04-09 05:38:20 PM

JesseL: CynicalLA: The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

"I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)

"Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option - keep your gun but permit it."
Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea ... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that directio ...


Correct, the collection of all the "ban guns" type rhetoric is so small, 40 years of it can fit in one post in an Internet thread.
 
2014-04-09 05:38:42 PM

Farker Soze: But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.


I think what he's getting at, which genuinely (and no offense intended) might be too subtle for you, is that people who are so afraid that they carry guns everywhere might act irrationally in any situation that they perceive as the least bit threatening.  This situation varies from person to person according to level of fear, but could include everything from a clerk speaking too loudly at a supermarket to a bank robbery.

That terrified, unstable person in a crisis could be fatal in the most benign of situations.  If you, as a civilian, are truly so concerned with your safety that you need an immediate kill weapon at your disposable at all times, perhaps this is an indication that you are too twitchy to be trusted with one.

Of course, that's just my interpretation of the argument.
 
2014-04-09 05:39:12 PM

CynicalLA: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...

This is the silver lining.  It makes me happy to think that some fat old white dude is wasting all his money stocking up on ammo.


What about nonfat old Jewish dudes? I'm farking hating how the price of ammo, especially .45ACP, is cutting into my range time.
/Never hoarded or "stocked up" on ammunition.
 
2014-04-09 05:40:15 PM

CynicalLA: Like I said, paranoid.


You are a special kind of person.

You tell him that no one is trying to ban anything, then when he shows you statements by all kinds of people saying they want to ban them, you call him paranoid.

/Special
//Like the short bus
 
2014-04-09 05:40:32 PM

ultraholland: gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.


I gotta admit the guns don't bother me in the least but that outfit....

Wow that's just terrifying.
 
2014-04-09 05:40:36 PM

Geotpf: But, nope, compromise is dead.


Because the people suggesting ideas like yours in DC have no credibility when it comes to good-faith gun control. "Yes, let's get this passed so we can just defund article 2. No ability do a background check, no gun sales."
 
2014-04-09 05:40:47 PM

ultraholland: Geotpf: plus the Feds have the constitutional right to "well-regulate the milita"

uuhhhh....


Article I Section 8 Clauses 14-17.
 
2014-04-09 05:41:52 PM

gadian: Farker Soze: But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

I think what he's getting at, which genuinely (and no offense intended) might be too subtle for you, is that people who are so afraid that they carry guns everywhere might act irrationally in any situation that they perceive as the least bit threatening.  This situation varies from person to person according to level of fear, but could include everything from a clerk speaking too loudly at a supermarket to a bank robbery.

That terrified, unstable person in a crisis could be fatal in the most benign of situations.  If you, as a civilian, are truly so concerned with your safety that you need an immediate kill weapon at your disposable at all times, perhaps this is an indication that you are too twitchy to be trusted with one.

Of course, that's just my interpretation of the argument.


He's not interested in explaining any such thing.  He's interested in trolling.  So, I will just troll along also.  fark him.
 
2014-04-09 05:42:33 PM

USP .45: My AR has yet to assault anyone. Must be broken.


Some people complain about the kick when they fire my SKS, I'm assuming that this is the "assault" that they're talking about.
 
2014-04-09 05:43:32 PM

dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.


Oh for farks sake. Another gun nut trotting out the "barrel shroud' argument because a politician once miss identified it.

A barrel shroud allows a gun user to protect himself from a hot barrel. Howdo you get a hot barrel? Rapid fire.

Therefore a barrel shroud assists the user to use the weapon with a hot barrel due to rapid fire. Its a perfectly rational argument in the assault rifle argument.

But keep farking that chicken, I guess.
 
2014-04-09 05:44:10 PM

dittybopper: What you've done, at that point, is the equivalent of banning racing stripes and spoilers on cars, in an attempt to regulate street racing.  Think that'll work?


Oh yeah?  Well when's the last time any six year old died street racing???

OH YEAH!!! YOU BEEN TOLD!!! SNAP!!!
 
2014-04-09 05:44:51 PM
Rifles, sure.  But can i get .22 ammo yet?
 
2014-04-09 05:45:09 PM

This text is now purple: Geotpf: Of course, Harvey Milk was shot by an ex-cop with his former service revolver, so basically no gun control law could have ever prevented his murder (other than banning all guns by all private citizens).

NYC basically does that (it bans guns possessed by on-duty National Guardsmen!), and even it has an exception for concealed carry by retired cops.


Here's the logic shark jump I like to make. What if that cop had not used a gun, and say an ax or butcher knife.

weapon doesn't make the killer, killer picks the weapon.

/don't believe me, ask mr teen commando pro up in PA today
//and that one guy in china
//thank god my dad didn't go melee when he snaped, 6ft ex infantry does damage
 
2014-04-09 05:46:37 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH: Article I Section 8 Clauses 14-17.

aahhh
 
2014-04-09 05:46:50 PM

impaler: Correct, the collection of all the "ban guns" type rhetoric is so small, 40 years of it can fit in one post in an Internet thread.


So you actually think that is the entire collection of these?  Are you that dumb or do you just play that way on Fark?
 
2014-04-09 05:47:47 PM

tripleseven: A barrel shroud allows a gun user to protect himself from a hot barrel. Howdo you get a hot barrel? Rapid fire


And most guns don't have them nor do they need them. It was legislation targeting TEC-9s and similar derp pistols popular with thugs at the time.

Stop acting like it's a brilliant idea.
 
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