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(CNN)   Good news: if you sold an assault rifle in the past year then you made a nice profit. Bad news: if you bought an assault rifle in the past year then you're a sucker   (money.cnn.com) divider line 723
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2014-04-09 04:23:29 PM  
So for as little as $375 dollars I can buy an assult rifle and then be assured that I will meet Obama when he comes to take it from me?

That sounds like a bargain, meeting him otherwise would involve airfare, hotels, lucky timing, and maybe even a large campaign donation. I would literaly be saving thousands.
 
2014-04-09 04:24:10 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]
 controlled house.

That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?


Looks like one of these but I can't tell if his is bolt-action or not. I think I see the handle, but it's kind of dark.
 
2014-04-09 04:26:04 PM  

dittybopper: Of course, if you're more handy than that, you could always build an AK out of a shiat-shovel


That one is just amazing every time I see it...
 
2014-04-09 04:26:22 PM  

Farking Canuck: redmid17: For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.

The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


Semantics matter when you send people to jail over them.

Semantics matter when you want to deliberately confuse the public into thinking that a popular sporting rifle is a machine gun.
 
2014-04-09 04:26:50 PM  

redmid17: Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure


You don't seem to get that the AP stylebook jibes perfectly with the dictionary definition.
 
2014-04-09 04:26:52 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A guy at my local food co-op told me that people are modifying automatic AR-47 assault rifles so they can shoot two 40-caliper clips of hollow-point shotgun shells at the same time.

Do we, as a people, really need weapons that are this needlessly destructive?


Someone should put the brakes on that.
 
2014-04-09 04:27:48 PM  

Actual Farking: drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]

You know this guy is packing a monster hog.

[www.recoilweb.com image 618x412]


And he's about to break his farking jaw...
 
2014-04-09 04:28:21 PM  

gravy chugging cretin.: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Are you intimidated yet?

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x637]

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


Retards with guns should scare anyone.
 
2014-04-09 04:29:12 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?


Wasnt that thing in a Clint Eastwood movie?
 
2014-04-09 04:30:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure

You don't seem to get that the AP stylebook jibes perfectly with the dictionary definition.


Because Merriam Webster has final say on the actual legal definition of things, right?
 
2014-04-09 04:30:28 PM  

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


The people who will end up having to comply with the law care, because it's their ass on the line.

Is that reason enough?
 
2014-04-09 04:30:34 PM  

Farking Canuck: redmid17: For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.

The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


To risk being pedantic, there is a pretty big difference and it's not minutae. Like I said before, the ATF treats the two very differently. I don't really care about the assault weapon definition, even though I think it's a stupid designation. It's changed several times and exists in varying forms in different cities, states, and on a national level (past and proposed). An assault rifle is a 'machine gun' per the ATF. There is a small pool for civilians, who are heavily vetted, to legally purchase and it is heavily, heavily regulated . If you get caught in possession of an unregistered (or one not registered to you) machine gun in the US, you're looking at 10 years in jail, a felony, and up to 250K fine.  That is anywhere in the US and its territories.

Assault weapons might have similar penalties, but those weapons are legal some places, need to be registered elsewhere, and are completely banned in others. The functional and cosmetic aspects aside, there is a huge disparity on how the law treats them. That is why some people care.

/also plenty of people in this thread seem to care
//welcome to fark
 
2014-04-09 04:31:00 PM  
When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."
 
2014-04-09 04:32:56 PM  

steve42: When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."


That's because you are a paranoid gun nut and probably have mental problems.
 
2014-04-09 04:33:27 PM  

drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."


You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.
 
2014-04-09 04:33:27 PM  
Not sure how I came out. I bought an older a2 style ar15 last fall from a friend for $425. Decided I didn't like the a2 style and sold the upper for $225. I probably spent $7-800 on the new upper I built but it's all high quality shiat I wanted.
 
2014-04-09 04:33:55 PM  

dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.

You mean they actually believed politicians who said they were going to try and ban assault weapons?  Why, the *FOOLS*!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/obama-gun-violence-task-for ce _n_2331238.html
WASHINGTON - Declaring the time for action overdue, President Barack Obama promised on Wednesday to send Congress broad proposals in January for tightening gun laws and curbing violence after last week's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.

Even before those proposals are drafted, Obama pressed lawmakers to reinstate a ban on military-style assault weapons, close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.

Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.


If gun owners think a President makes laws without both houses of Congress having their say first, then, yes, they were quite stupid indeed.
 
2014-04-09 04:34:45 PM  

Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.


What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.
 
2014-04-09 04:35:25 PM  

Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.


OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?
 
2014-04-09 04:36:28 PM  

iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.

Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.

You know; my 76 year old mosin nagant has a barrel shroud. It's just made of wood. It's main utility is to allow me not to burn my hand on the barrel. Plenty of hunting rifles have full or partial shrouds.


Actually, I would think any rifle that didn't have a forward handgrip would have one. My SKS definitely has one, it's also known as the forward part of the stock...

Too bad people don't understand why the word definitions are important. you can type until your hands grow physically attached to the keyboard and the grabbers will just ignore you, unfortunately, but they're all for laws based on incomplete meanings unless it affects them directly.
 
2014-04-09 04:36:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure

You don't seem to get that the AP stylebook jibes perfectly with the dictionary definition.


No it doesn't. I can read, unlike you. An assault rifle is capable of auto AND semi-auto fire made for militaries and LEOs. An assault weapon looks similar to an assault rifle but is only capable of semi-auto fire. Your definitions, once again not from SMEs, include automatic OR semi-automatic and is made for militaries.

More to the point, the fleshed out encyclopedia entry right below the MW definition actually conflicts with its definition:

Full Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE
:  any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000-1,600 ft (300-500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. [ examples given but don't want to thread crap]


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20rifle
 
2014-04-09 04:38:14 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.


You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.
 
2014-04-09 04:39:45 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.


You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.
 
2014-04-09 04:40:44 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?


Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.
 
2014-04-09 04:41:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.

No you don't. English-speakers do. Too bad. You were wrong, just be a man and admit it.


Like what, put it up for a vote?  I don't see that working well.  I mean, what if we did the same thing with a programming language?
 
2014-04-09 04:42:17 PM  

Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.


In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...
 
2014-04-09 04:42:31 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
[www.therpf.com image 850x637]  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?


Actually, that was the gun from In The Line of Fire. The "Liberator" looks like this:

upload.wikimedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
 
2014-04-09 04:42:55 PM  

JesseL: impaler: JesseL: I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?

No, it's not designed for military forces.

True, it's not. This one was though:

[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


But it's not semi-auto or faster.
 
2014-04-09 04:43:12 PM  

CynicalLA: steve42: When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's because you are a paranoid gun nut and probably have mental problems.


You're right, of course. I own three.  They look like these:

img.fark.net
Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!
 
2014-04-09 04:43:17 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.


I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.
 
2014-04-09 04:44:01 PM  

BgJonson79: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...


Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do, nor as many zealots who would lock themselves in their homes and shoot at anyone who came near their property.
 
2014-04-09 04:44:13 PM  
gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

img.fark.net

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.
 
2014-04-09 04:45:19 PM  

Carn: Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do


Not anymore they don't.
 
2014-04-09 04:46:16 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.


A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.
 
2014-04-09 04:46:25 PM  

ultraholland: gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.


American flag outfit with an AK?  Seems conflicted.
 
2014-04-09 04:46:53 PM  

ultraholland: gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.


Damn, they scare me to death.  Oh wait, I'm not CynicalLA, no they don't.
 
2014-04-09 04:47:46 PM  

steve42: Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!


It's the irrational paranoia that makes you crazy.
 
2014-04-09 04:47:49 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.


Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.
 
2014-04-09 04:47:49 PM  

CynicalLA: A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone. You are not too bright.


We aren't talking about intelligence here, we're talking about how fearful you are of them.
 
2014-04-09 04:48:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.

Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.


Should they be?  Does that change the performance of the round as it exits the barrel?  After all, a firearm is simply designed to eject said lead downrange...
 
2014-04-09 04:48:48 PM  

Carn: BgJonson79: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...

Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do, nor as many zealots who would lock themselves in their homes and shoot at anyone who came near their property.


I guess that makes sense when you're the subject of the queen and not a citizen ;-)
 
2014-04-09 04:48:53 PM  

lamric: demaL-demaL-yeH: The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]
 controlled house.

That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?

MVP Patrol.  I think.


Bolt-action 7.62 with a 24" barrel. Not bad.
How does it shoot?
 
2014-04-09 04:49:19 PM  

R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.


People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.
 
2014-04-09 04:49:28 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.


That's awfully sexist.  Why shouldn't women have guns?
 
2014-04-09 04:49:39 PM  

Carn: BgJonson79: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...

Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do, nor as many zealots who would lock themselves in their homes and shoot at anyone who came near their property.


Yes, let's take our lead from Australia; where everything wants to kill you and you might actually need a gun.

/ with link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_TB6onHVE&sns=em (copy/pasta)
 
2014-04-09 04:49:43 PM  
lamric: American flag outfit with an AK? Seems conflicted.

No shiat. The black boots and camo helmet are a bit out of place, too. I don't see how this guy plans on remaining discrete with this approach.
 
2014-04-09 04:50:31 PM  

CynicalLA: R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.

People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.


The cops are cowards?  Marines in Afghanistan are cowards?
 
2014-04-09 04:50:44 PM  

steve42: Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!


No, what's crazy is when someone says "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

You hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's nuts.
 
2014-04-09 04:51:35 PM  

jaybeezey: dittybopper: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.

You shouldn't get too wound up about it. Liberal Progressives live in fear of of guns and people with guns. They don't understand the hobby and would rather, for the most part, would do away with anyone being able to  own anything might be used to harm another.

You can't blame them though, they have been trained since youth to fear things that they don't understand and are soft minded enough to think that anything for "the greater good" is acceptable and right. This is especially true if you can find some reason to form a new gov't agency to regulate anything that they have an issue with. Being good sheep is about being part of the collective, and they certainly don't want to be seen as bad sheep by their Central Planning handlers.


You know the real reason a lot of liberals hate and fear guns?  Because a lot of them have close friends or relatives who were killed with one.  A gun to somebody living in an urban area (IE, likely a liberal) is the thing a drug dealer shot a six year old with, not a tool for hunting or target practice, like it is to somebody living in a rural area (IE, likely a conservative).

I'll give you a very specific example.

Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot.  She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.

Of course, Harvey Milk was shot by an ex-cop with his former service revolver, so basically no gun control law could have ever prevented his murder (other than banning all guns by all private citizens).
 
2014-04-09 04:51:52 PM  

CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.


And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.
 
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