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2014-04-09 03:45:02 PM  

stonicus: dittybopper: drew46n2: again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.

Again, here you are arguing on emotion, without considering the practical and technical issues surrounding what you want to ban.

You say "ban assault weapons".

Well, OK, define them.

There are only two possible ways to do that:  By function, and by cosmetics.

By function, you'd have to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.  That's the *ONLY* way to get an effective assault weapons ban, and it's *NEVER* going to happen because a lot of traditional hunting rifles and shotguns like the Ruger Mini-30, Remington 750 and 7500, Remington 1100, etc. would end up getting banned also.

That would upset the Fudds.

So really, the only way to ban assault weapons is based on cosmetic things that don't add to the lethality of the gun in the least:  Bayonet lugs, flash hiders/muzzle brakes, pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.

But that isn't going to do anything from a practical standpoint because you don't need those things for a functioning, lethal gun.

What you've done, at that point, is the equivalent of banning racing stripes and spoilers on cars, in an attempt to regulate street racing.  Think that'll work?

You sound like a child molester arguing over what exactly the word "consent" means.


And you sound like a loon who thinks that all penetrative sex is rape.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:03 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


 Ban != confiscation. Assault weapons != all firearms

And you wonder why we call you gun  nuts.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:10 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.


I thought you said you were going outside because it was nice out.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:53 PM  

redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.


I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...
 
2014-04-09 03:46:07 PM  
dittybopper: "So people should have just ignored him, because they should have known he wouldn't be able to get anything passed in Congress?"

More or less, yeah. "Concerned" hunters and sportsmen should have, instead of freaking out and buying gobs of ammo and eating panic-induced price-hikes, just noted the political rhetoric and then chuckled.

1, because they ought to have paid attention in civics class and known that the President doesn't have much to do with it and 2, because they ought to have a memory longer than a goldfish.
There has been no shortage of high profile shootings since, say, Columbine, and each of those has seen political rhetoric about gun legislation in their wake. And time and again they've only demonstrated the NRA is in no way threatened. The politicians pushing legislation are people who have absolutely no political clout, are getting their clocks cleaned in the judiciary and are reduced to seeking political points with talk.

Never mind that "Obama coming for your guns" started as a meme long before Sandy Hook. For years the only 'evidence' was vague intimations that he was a Chicago politician or just a 'liberal' -- as if those were cause enough to justify the panic. Then there was the bit where the fear mongers and paranoiacs wet their pants because some 'new' guidelines from "Obama's" park service mentioned the responsibility that sportsmen have on public land, without explicitly declaring the *primacy* of their rights. Despite there being no real *actual* change in policy in that document that remotely threatened the status quo, it was paraded around as 'proof' of Obama-coming-for-your-guns. Or do you remember the co-opted Alex Jones/Glenn Beck nonsense about government agencies buying tons of ammo? How that was turned into the "reason" ammo prices shot up *and* (somehow) evidence that Obama's shock troops (probably Acorn) were preparing to go house-to-house to seize guns?

So let's not pretend like this idea was a response to any actual evidence. It's been something between a self-reinforcing delusion and money-making meme in search of a justification for years. Just because evidence of an intent finally showed up -- never mind us all knowing that intent was never going to be enough to enact change -- that doesn't retroactively justify the fear-mongering and profiteering.
 
2014-04-09 03:46:32 PM  

Lando Lincoln: dittybopper: So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

And that's why the gun lobby loves you.


When the ALA comes out in support of 1st amendment rights, do you accuse them of being in bed with Big Book?

http://www.ala.org/
 
2014-04-09 03:46:40 PM  

Actual Farking: drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]

You know this guy is packing a monster hog.

[www.recoilweb.com image 618x412]


I lost it when I saw the wall mount. LOL.
 
2014-04-09 03:46:46 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


But we have a government that was built on a system of checks and balances, the president is not a dictator, no matter how much the insane right wing wants you to believe it.

No gun control would ever pass a GOP controlled house, ever. They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a DNC controlled house. "Gun Control" is a political third rail in this country these days, Dems just have to keep paying lip service to it.

You were scared into buying soemthing by people who stood to profit substantially by doing so. You got duped, it happens to everyone. I bought a new HVAC system last year I'm not certain I needed.

Just take a deep breath and enjoy your hobby. Hobbies are fun and they're supposed to take your time and money.
 
2014-04-09 03:46:46 PM  
I'll never sell my ghost gun though.

www.everydaynodaysoff.com

"This is a ghost gun, this right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second."
 
2014-04-09 03:47:09 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

I thought you said you were going outside because it was nice out.


I did go outside. But that's not my quote.
 
2014-04-09 03:48:56 PM  

dittybopper: stonicus: You sound like a child molester arguing over what exactly the word "consent" means.

Nice ad hominem.

You sound like a prosecutor trying to convict someone of a sex crime because they took a piss in an alley behind a dumpster.


Ehhh, 5/10... I'll give you a second chance... try again... =)
 
2014-04-09 03:49:27 PM  

impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's

1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.


I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?

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2014-04-09 03:49:47 PM  

rwhamann: (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.


Interesting. If I called up an antique gun parts store and asked if they carried any M1 Garand magazines, what would they think I was talking about? I'll give you a hint. If they mailed me some replacement stripper clips, they would have sent me the wrong part. The magazine on a Garand is actually part of the rifle itself and clips are used to press rounds into the magazine, then discarded.

The reason why clip and magazine aren't interchangeable is because some guns do use actual clips and some use detachable magazines, and they're not the same kind of part. You can't just call up an auto parts store and expect them to know if you're talking about disc brakes or drum brakes when you just say "brakes". They're not the same thing and the terms are not interchangeable. Thinking they are just makes you wrong and ignorant. It's the same with magazine and clip. Using them interchangeably just shows you haven't actually learned what they mean yet.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:13 PM  
For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:44 PM  

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke


That's nonsense.  Commieneticut is going to do it first.  They're already trying with great success.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:47 PM  

dittybopper: self important blabber.


It was just too much to ask that you read the article, wasn't it? Much more important that you indulge yourself in some self-aggrandizing pseudo intellectual "let me tell you about guns" bullsh*t.

You're "that gun owner" the rest of us walk away from...
 
2014-04-09 03:50:53 PM  
I sold one of my EBR's (evil black rifles) last year for about twice what I paid for it 10 years ago.

Then I bought a Bowtech compound bow.

The bow is fun to shoot and I can do it in the backyard, as long as the kiddos are inside.  I can't shoot the rifles I have due to the vicinity of other houses.

Well, I probably COULD shoot them, I just prefer not to get in trouble with the cops.  Or my neighbors.  Or my neighbor who is a cop.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...


I read it and you're wrong, to put it bluntly.
 
2014-04-09 03:53:02 PM  

dittybopper: Lower receiver on an AR-15 doesn't need to be particularly strong. That's why it was originally (and still is) made from an aluminum alloy. And if it fails, it won't explode.


One dude made a functioning(don't know how many shots) lower from paper mache.
 
2014-04-09 03:54:10 PM  

redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...

I read it and you're wrong, to put it bluntly.


I'm wrong because reasons, obviously.
 
2014-04-09 03:55:14 PM  
Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 03:55:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...

I read it and you're wrong, to put it bluntly.

I'm wrong because reasons, obviously.


Yeah. AP stylebook says Mr CNN is wrong in the article. Manufacturers, the ATF, militaries, and people who fix and sell them all disagree with you. Do you have a particular authority outside of non subject matter experts that you'd like to consult?
 
2014-04-09 03:55:49 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.
 
2014-04-09 03:56:20 PM  

drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]


Cowards that like to intimidate people.
 
2014-04-09 03:58:18 PM  

CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.


Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."
 
2014-04-09 03:59:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


And Merriam-Webster isn't a legal or firearms reference book. Try Jane's. Try the law.
 
2014-04-09 04:00:28 PM  
Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
www.therpf.com  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?
 
2014-04-09 04:00:35 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: drew46n2: ooh, but at least you got your "man card" reissue for the penii-impaired
[img.fark.net image 466x626]

Never really understood the matching between guns as phallic symbols.

Unless your penis shoots bullets, you can't really say ones in compensation for a lack of the other because they have nothing to do with each other.


The phrase shooting blanks to refer to male infertility is older than me.
/Old.
 
2014-04-09 04:00:50 PM  

redmid17: Manufacturers, the ATF, militaries, and people who fix and sell them all disagree with you. Do you have a particular authority outside of non subject matter experts that you'd like to consult?


I have the authority of the English language. The AP stylebook doesn't say what you'd like it to say, either.

Funny that you guys would rather talk about this meaningless bullsh*t that you're wrong on and avoid the topic of why cosmetic items are used to differentiate different types of firearms.
 
2014-04-09 04:01:12 PM  
Sheesh!

Yes, rifles have been really expensive lately.

But my question is this... when the hell is .22 lr going to be back in stock again and cheap. Because holy shiat am I tired of having to scrape around for whatever i can find. 22lr is just about as hard to find as hens teeth still.
 
2014-04-09 04:01:26 PM  

anuran: And Merriam-Webster isn't a legal or firearms reference book. Try Jane's. Try the law.


Merriam-Webster, last I checked, is an authority on the English language.  We're not debating law right now we are debating language.
 
2014-04-09 04:02:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: James!: 

Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.

You're right. I'm actually about to go outside - it's a beautiful day.


In other words: "I'm wrong! fark you! I'm taking my ball and running 

impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's

1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.


No, ignoramus. An assault rifle is a selective fire small-to-medium caliber rifle.
 
2014-04-09 04:03:05 PM  

anuran: In other words: "I'm wrong! fark you! I'm taking my ball and running


WTF are you talking about? I'm right here, dumbass. I took a break for an hour because it's one of the first beautiful days we've had in awhile.
 
2014-04-09 04:06:48 PM  

BarleyGnome: I wouldn't mind getting an AR lower, but prices are just to insane right now, not to mention frenzy on ammo hoarding.


Get a 70% or 80% lower and find someone with a decent shop.
 
2014-04-09 04:07:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Manufacturers, the ATF, militaries, and people who fix and sell them all disagree with you. Do you have a particular authority outside of non subject matter experts that you'd like to consult?

I have the authority of the English language. The AP stylebook doesn't say what you'd like it to say, either.

Funny that you guys would rather talk about this meaningless bullsh*t that you're wrong on and avoid the topic of why cosmetic items are used to differentiate different types of firearms.


Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure. I already typed it out for the thread, but I do love reiterating myself to people who can't or won't read. It's not just cosmetic differences differentiating the types of firearms. It's actual functionality too (ie semi-auto vs auto), the kind of distinctions that the laws make.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-09 04:08:28 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
[www.therpf.com image 850x637]  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?


The Liberator was basically a single-use pistol to be used to kill a German soldier for his weapon, it didn't use dum-dum rounds, just regular .45 ACP with full metal jacketed ammo.
 
2014-04-09 04:09:03 PM  

CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.


Are you intimidated yet?

www.opencarrytexas.org

www.opencarrytexas.org
 
2014-04-09 04:12:45 PM  

JesseL: I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?


No, it's not designed for military forces.
 
2014-04-09 04:12:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.


Nice deflection - the legislator pushing for the law could not trouble herself to educate herself on the basic points - which end is the bangy part and which end is the holdy part.  Get it?  What's your field of expertise?  Do you want someone making laws that govern you without knowing something taught in the first 5 minutes of whatever training you've taken?  If she'd mistaken upper and lower receiver, I wouldn't have commented.  If she'd mistaken clip and magazine, I'd laugh at people that complained.  If she'd mistaken bayonet lug for flash suppressor, I'd have sympathy for her.

She doesn't need to be Dr. Oakley, gun scientician, but she needs to show that she took the trouble to understand what she's doing.
 
2014-04-09 04:15:52 PM  
This is totally a bookmark.
 
2014-04-09 04:17:23 PM  

The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a

JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
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 controlled house.


That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?
 
2014-04-09 04:18:36 PM  

mediablitz: dittybopper: self important blabber.

It was just too much to ask that you read the article, wasn't it? Much more important that you indulge yourself in some self-aggrandizing pseudo intellectual "let me tell you about guns" bullsh*t.

You're "that gun owner" the rest of us walk away from...


Here, let me gunsplain this to you...
 
2014-04-09 04:19:30 PM  

This text is now purple: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr3355enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr3355e nr .pdf

Pages 202 and 203.


OK, let's look at that:

''(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept
a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-
''(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
''(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
''(iii) a bayonet mount;
''(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed
to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
''(v) a grenade launcher;


So let's look at those features, shall we?

(i) a folding or telescoping stock

There is already a minimum overall length for rifles written into the law:  A rifle can be no shorter than 26 inches overall length with the stock folded.  So even if you have a folding stock, it still has to be more than 2 feet long (16 inches of which must be barrel).

So what happens if you ban them?  People just make shorter-stocked guns to make them handier.  You haven't gained anything.

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;


I'm pretty familiar with weapons, and I can't for the life of me see why this is a problem.  It's a consequence of design:  Pistol grips came about because in order to reduce the amount of muzzle climb, firearms designers moved the stock to be in-line with the axis of the barrel.  That means the recoil goes straight back into the shoulder, instead of up and back.  The problem was a traditional style stock would be *EXTREMELY* awkward in that configuration.  Take a yardstick (or any straight thing, like a hunk of PVC pipe), hold it up to your shoulder, and try to grip it like a rifle.  See how your trigger arm is all akimbo?  It's uncomfortable, and definitely not conducive to accurate shooting.

So the solution was to make a separate pistol grip.

That's what it's for, ergonomics when firing from the shoulder.

(iii) a bayonet mount;

OK, if you can come up with a serious reason why these need to go, you let me know.  I've been following this issue closely for 30 years now, and I've never heard of any serious bayonet attacks.

'(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed
to accommodate a flash suppressor;


Again, I'm at a loss for why these are "bad".  All flash suppressors do is diffuse the flash from firing.  It's still visible, and it doesn't effect the lethality of the projectile in the least.  In fact, a bunch of modern military rifles don't even have them.  For example, the AKM doesn't use one, and neither does the AK-74.  They have muzzle brakes, which help reduce muzzle climb similar to the Browning BOSS system or ported shotgun barrels used by civilian sportsmen.

'(v) a grenade launcher

Grenades themselves are classified as "destructive devices" under federal law and you have to register them with the ATF and pay a $200 tax for *EACH* one you own.

Also, this is actually meaningless because rod-type rifle grenades can be used by any rifle, including single-shot hunting guns.

In any event, again, I haven't heard of this being a problem.  *EVER*.

So let's sum up:  There is a legal minimum length for rifles that applies to all rifles, even those with a folding stock, pistol grips are the ergonomic solution to gripping a rifle that has a stock with no drop, flash hiders don't do anything to increase the ability to hide nor do they increase how deadly the gun is, nobody is going around bayoneting people, and neither is anyone doing rifle grenade massacres.

So what was the point again?
 
2014-04-09 04:19:35 PM  

impaler: JesseL: I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?

No, it's not designed for military forces.


True, it's not. This one was though:

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2014-04-09 04:19:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
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 controlled house.

That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?


MVP Patrol.  I think.
 
2014-04-09 04:20:08 PM  

jaybeezey: dittybopper: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.

You shouldn't get too wound up about it. Liberal Progressives live in fear of of guns and people with guns. They don't understand the hobby and would rather, for the most part, would do away with anyone being able to  own anything might be used to harm another.

You can't blame them though, they have been trained since youth to fear things that they don't understand and are soft minded enough to think that anything for "the greater good" is acceptable and right. This is especially true if you can find some reason to form a new gov't agency to regulate anything that they have an issue with. Being good sheep is about being part of the collective, and they certainly don't want to be seen as bad sheep by their Central Planning handlers.


That is why I am a Compassionate Liberal. I often take out my gun collection, clean them, check my ammo stores, check my stock of rags and glass bottles. For when the revolution comes and we take back this country from the Republitards, the 1%ers, the Christians, and bankers I will eagerly be on the front lines burning, shooting and rapeing those people I don't insto submission. Compassionate Liberalism at it's finest.
 
2014-04-09 04:20:31 PM  

taurusowner: rwhamann: (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.

Interesting. If I called up an antique gun parts store and asked if they carried any M1 Garand magazines, what would they think I was talking about? I'll give you a hint. If they mailed me some replacement stripper clips, they would have sent me the wrong part. The magazine on a Garand is actually part of the rifle itself and clips are used to press rounds into the magazine, then discarded.

The reason why clip and magazine aren't interchangeable is because some guns do use actual clips and some use detachable magazines, and they're not the same kind of part. You can't just call up an auto parts store and expect them to know if you're talking about disc brakes or drum brakes when you just say "brakes". They're not the same thing and the terms are not interchangeable. Thinking they are just makes you wrong and ignorant. It's the same with magazine and clip. Using them interchangeably just shows you haven't actually learned what they mean yet.


In a gun store, yes, they are definitely distinct terms.  In a law, they damn well better be spelled out.  Talking head or otherwise discussing the broad idea that they want guns with a maximum load of 10 rounds, I could give a shiat what word he or she uses, because the effect they're trying to achieve is indistinguishable.
 
2014-04-09 04:20:33 PM  

redmid17: For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.


The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.
 
2014-04-09 04:22:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.

Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.


You know; my 76 year old mosin nagant has a barrel shroud. It's just made of wood. It's main utility is to allow me not to burn my hand on the barrel. Plenty of hunting rifles have full or partial shrouds.
 
2014-04-09 04:23:29 PM  
So for as little as $375 dollars I can buy an assult rifle and then be assured that I will meet Obama when he comes to take it from me?

That sounds like a bargain, meeting him otherwise would involve airfare, hotels, lucky timing, and maybe even a large campaign donation. I would literaly be saving thousands.
 
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