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(CNN)   Good news: if you sold an assault rifle in the past year then you made a nice profit. Bad news: if you bought an assault rifle in the past year then you're a sucker   ( money.cnn.com) divider line
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2014-04-09 01:50:22 PM  
Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.
 
2014-04-09 01:50:50 PM  
A guy at my local food co-op told me that people are modifying automatic AR-47 assault rifles so they can shoot two 40-caliper clips of hollow-point shotgun shells at the same time.

Do we, as a people, really need weapons that are this needlessly destructive?
 
2014-04-09 01:51:26 PM  
ooh, but at least you got your "man card" reissue for the penii-impaired
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 01:52:23 PM  
And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 01:52:58 PM  
The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.
 
2014-04-09 01:58:45 PM  

James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.


my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke
 
2014-04-09 02:02:17 PM  

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke


Did he then try to sell you a gun?

"You better buy this pop gun, Uncle Herring.  Obama's going to ban them pretty soon!  Only $500!"
 
2014-04-09 02:02:33 PM  

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke



Did you tell him that "gullible" was being taken out of the dictionary?
 
2014-04-09 02:10:39 PM  

SilentStrider: Did you tell him that "gullible" was being taken out of the dictionary?


I would have tried to sell him an over-priced gun.
 
2014-04-09 02:11:49 PM  

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke


I know. I bought twenty because Obama had veal last night. I only paid 150% of retail, so I got an awesome deal.
 
2014-04-09 02:13:21 PM  
You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.
 
2014-04-09 02:14:44 PM  
My wife told me I seemed to love my guns more than my family. I told her that wasn't true. Little Timmy isn't going to college because it is full of liberals, not because I cashed out the college fund to buy another AR-15.
 
2014-04-09 02:15:30 PM  

dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.


Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
 
2014-04-09 02:16:16 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.


Obama had Beef Wellington for dinner last Tuesday. They came and took a whole pile of guns after that.

Now tell me it's a joke.
 
2014-04-09 02:16:48 PM  
Dictionary.reference.com:

assault rifle
noun1.
a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, ut i lizing an intermediate-powercartridge.
2.
a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually m o dified to allow onlysemiautomatic fire.
 
2014-04-09 02:17:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.
 
2014-04-09 02:17:47 PM  
Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.
 
2014-04-09 02:18:35 PM  

James!: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.


You're right. I'm actually about to go outside - it's a beautiful day.
 
2014-04-09 02:18:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.


You mean they actually believed politicians who said they were going to try and ban assault weapons?  Why, the *FOOLS*!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/obama-gun-violence-task-for ce _n_2331238.html
WASHINGTON - Declaring the time for action overdue, President Barack Obama promised on Wednesday to send Congress broad proposals in January for tightening gun laws and curbing violence after last week's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.

Even before those proposals are drafted, Obama pressed lawmakers to reinstate a ban on military-style assault weapons, close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.


Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.
 
2014-04-09 02:21:13 PM  

dittybopper: Even before those proposals are drafted, Obama pressed lawmakers to reinstate a ban on military-style assault weapons, close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.

Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.


What does that have to do with gullible morons buying assault weapons at 150% markup?
 
2014-04-09 02:21:52 PM  
I mean, it's not as if they're a necessity. These people are just paying out the ass for a toy because they don't want daddy to take it away from them.
 
2014-04-09 02:22:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.


So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.
 
2014-04-09 02:23:51 PM  

dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.


No you don't. English-speakers do. Too bad. You were wrong, just be a man and admit it.
 
2014-04-09 02:26:09 PM  
Because "close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks"

Is bad?
 
2014-04-09 02:26:12 PM  

James!: Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.


Rule #4, it's one of their most powerful tricks to making you think they have a point

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 02:26:23 PM  

dittybopper: gun owners must have been *STUPID*


Yep. Glad you admit it.
 
2014-04-09 02:27:05 PM  

drew46n2: James!: Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.

Rule #4, it's one of their most powerful tricks to making you think they have a point

[img.fark.net image 850x929]


If that's one of their most powerful tricks, they are incredibly dumb.
 
2014-04-09 02:29:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: If that's one of their most powerful tricks, they are incredibly dumb.



yet you will see entire threads of debate about because someone said "clip" instead of "magazine."

Heads. Up. Their. Asses.
 
2014-04-09 02:29:49 PM  

drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]


You know this guy is packing a monster hog.

www.recoilweb.com
 
2014-04-09 02:31:59 PM  

James!: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.


It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.
 
2014-04-09 02:32:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.

No you don't. English-speakers do. Too bad. You were wrong, just be a man and admit it.


OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.

...

Oh, wait, that's what your point is, right?   Just like Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center said back in 1988:

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.

You're trying to redefine "assault rifle" to cover both in order to confuse the issue, so that it's easier to get people agree to banning what they think are machine guns, but which actually operate quite differently.

Duly noted.
 
2014-04-09 02:32:49 PM  
Sold one. I don't think it's been used to kill any children yet.
 
2014-04-09 02:38:38 PM  

dittybopper: If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.


It already has.
 
2014-04-09 02:44:45 PM  
Someone with a number of modern sporting rifles could have made quite a bit of money selling them off since Black Oblacka took office and started scaring the sh*t out of gun owners.  If they haven't sold theirs, especially after all the hot air about Newtown and Aurora I'd say they're pretty foolish.  Sure, keep one because even though they're totally the same as a traditional, wooden-stock semi-auto, they are cool and those accessory rails are like swiss army knives in their potential.  But why not sell the rest and buy a hunting cabin share with the profits?
 
2014-04-09 02:44:57 PM  

Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.


*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.
 
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2014-04-09 02:47:39 PM  

dittybopper: Duly noted.


Dude, the guy's just trolling you.  Ignore the ignorant.
 
2014-04-09 02:54:40 PM  

dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.



again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.
 
2014-04-09 02:55:32 PM  

Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.


Just look what it did for the long-haul trucking industry:

runningheavy.com
 
2014-04-09 02:55:49 PM  
Heh, salty seaman.
 
2014-04-09 02:56:58 PM  

factoryconnection: Someone with a number of modern sporting rifles could have made quite a bit of money selling them off since Black Oblacka took office and started scaring the sh*t out of gun owners.  If they haven't sold theirs, especially after all the hot air about Newtown and Aurora I'd say they're pretty foolish.  Sure, keep one because even though they're totally the same as a traditional, wooden-stock semi-auto, they are cool and those accessory rails are like swiss army knives in their potential.  But why not sell the rest and buy a hunting cabin share with the profits?


Or, you could sell them all, and just make new ones out of plastic.

No, seriously:

www.rainierarms.com

Just drill out the holes on your drill press, and assemble the gun.

Of course, if you're more handy than that, you could always build an AK out of a shiat-shovel.  Or an AR-15 lower out of hardwood. (guy used pine, which is soft, and it broke, but hardwood like brazilian walnut would probably work fine).
 
2014-04-09 02:57:20 PM  

dittybopper: Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.


It took an ungodly amount of work to slightly improve our horrible healthcare situation, but yeah, sure...Obama totally would have been able to pass a new assault-weapons ban through Congress. Ayup.
 
2014-04-09 03:00:13 PM  

drew46n2: dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.


again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.


Oh, you mean like this?

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.
 
2014-04-09 03:01:09 PM  

dittybopper: No, seriously:


You for some reason think that this surprises me or that I don't know it.  But most gun owners are not gun smiths or even proficient with machine tools, so unless that was the case I left in the "keep one" caveat.
 
2014-04-09 03:04:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: dittybopper: Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.

It took an ungodly amount of work to slightly improve our horrible healthcare situation, but yeah, sure...Obama totally would have been able to pass a new assault-weapons ban through Congress. Ayup.


So people should have just ignored him, because they should have known he wouldn't be able to get anything passed in Congress?

Listen, I need some stock tips.  Because you are apparently able to see into the future, unlike the rest of us, give me a few tips.  I'm not greedy, I just want some new ham radio equipment.  I've been using a radio manufactured in the 1970's for the last 24 years, and I'd like something newer.
 
2014-04-09 03:04:57 PM  

dittybopper: drew46n2: dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.


again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

Oh, you mean like this?

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.


again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.
 
2014-04-09 03:07:42 PM  

drew46n2: dittybopper: drew46n2: dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.


again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

Oh, you mean like this?

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.

again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.


The dead 6-year-olds are completely irrelevant. What number off your bumper sticker written by someone else does that fall under?
 
2014-04-09 03:09:46 PM  

dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.


Assault rifle means it's

1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
 
2014-04-09 03:13:39 PM  

dittybopper: factoryconnection: Someone with a number of modern sporting rifles could have made quite a bit of money selling them off since Black Oblacka took office and started scaring the sh*t out of gun owners.  If they haven't sold theirs, especially after all the hot air about Newtown and Aurora I'd say they're pretty foolish.  Sure, keep one because even though they're totally the same as a traditional, wooden-stock semi-auto, they are cool and those accessory rails are like swiss army knives in their potential.  But why not sell the rest and buy a hunting cabin share with the profits?

Or, you could sell them all, and just make new ones out of plastic.

No, seriously:

[www.rainierarms.com image 640x480]

Just drill out the holes on your drill press, and assemble the gun.

Of course, if you're more handy than that, you could always build an AK out of a shiat-shovel.  Or an AR-15 lower out of hardwood. (guy used pine, which is soft, and it broke, but hardwood like brazilian walnut would probably work fine).


I like my firearms to have less chance of being all explodey in my hands.
 
2014-04-09 03:14:04 PM  

R.A.Danny: The dead 6-year-olds are completely irrelevant



Of course they are. When talking about guns and violence it's important to disregard those who have been shot. The REAL victims are the backyard commandos who's ability to shoot watermelons apart on weekends is being threatened!
 
2014-04-09 03:14:15 PM  
dittybopper:

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

Subby here.  I contemplated using "clips" just to see if you'd have a seizure.
 
2014-04-09 03:14:44 PM  
An Uzi is a rifle?
 
2014-04-09 03:15:21 PM  

drew46n2: R.A.Danny: The dead 6-year-olds are completely irrelevant


Of course they are. When talking about guns and violence it's important to disregard those who have been shot. The REAL victims are the backyard commandos who's ability to shoot watermelons apart on weekends is being threatened!


Yep. The dead kids no longer have any rights.
 
2014-04-09 03:16:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


Grats on finding either a typo in the dictionary or pointing out that some lazy idiot needs to be fired at Websters
 
2014-04-09 03:17:49 PM  
I'm not sure how CNN came out with the article but AFAIK the price for the standard semi auto AR has been kinda sorta hovering around the same price point for the past couple years.
Maybe some of you more enthuse gun owners can shed some light on recent pricing.
 
2014-04-09 03:18:18 PM  

R.A.Danny: An Uzi is a rifle?


I'm pretty sure he's a Jew.
 
2014-04-09 03:18:49 PM  

dittybopper: So people should have just ignored him, because they should have known he wouldn't be able to get anything passed in Congress?


No, they should have totally freaked out and bought craploads of assault rifles and high-capacity magazines at exorbitant prices for naught, just like they did.

Obama can scream about banning assault rifles until he's blue in the face, but ain't nothing ever ever ever gonna happen. Not with this herpaderp Congress.
 
2014-04-09 03:20:12 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 03:20:31 PM  

Lando Lincoln: No, they should have totally freaked out and bought craploads of assault rifles and high-capacity magazines at exorbitant prices for naught, just like they did.


I sold the only "assault rifle" I had. Got a tidy sum for a shot out Czech POS.
 
2014-04-09 03:20:56 PM  
Thanks, Obama?
 
2014-04-09 03:21:15 PM  

R.A.Danny: An Uzi is a rifle?


No it's a glock.
 
2014-04-09 03:21:25 PM  
Fools and their money yadda yadda yadda.
 
2014-04-09 03:21:27 PM  

drew46n2: ooh, but at least you got your "man card" reissue for the penii-impaired
[img.fark.net image 466x626]


drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-09 03:21:29 PM  
Is this the thread where everyone insists they didn't get ripped off and whines about what a good investment their gun was and how many times they've already fended off hoards of intruders with it?
 
2014-04-09 03:21:55 PM  

drew46n2: ooh, but at least you got your "man card" reissue for the penii-impaired
[img.fark.net image 466x626]


Never really understood the matching between guns as phallic symbols.

Unless your penis shoots bullets, you can't really say ones in compensation for a lack of the other because they have nothing to do with each other.
 
2014-04-09 03:22:00 PM  
Oh good!  Time to buy.
 
2014-04-09 03:22:12 PM  
www.quickmeme.com

Well, round two is over. Buy up now and resell when/if Hillary is elected.

Capitalism, it's the American Way.
 
2014-04-09 03:22:12 PM  

dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.


Your issue is with English speakers, Merriam-Webster and the OED. Not me. YOU are the one redefining words. You don't get to just pick definitions of words just because you like them.
 
2014-04-09 03:23:22 PM  
I wouldn't mind getting an AR lower, but prices are just to insane right now, not to mention frenzy on ammo hoarding.
 
2014-04-09 03:23:49 PM  

Ghastly: [img.fark.net image 850x1307]


It's a good thing I can laugh quietly at work.
 
2014-04-09 03:23:54 PM  
Buying a new gun or rifle is sorta like getting a puppy from the mall pet store: if you do either, you probably aren't qualified to own a firearm / dog.

Even a moderately cared-for firearm will last decades. There are so many second hand firearms for sale, like dogs at the pound.

Unless it's for a gift or ceremonial purpose, buying new is for suckers.
 
2014-04-09 03:24:05 PM  

drew46n2: R.A.Danny: The dead 6-year-olds are completely irrelevant


Of course they are. When talking about guns and violence it's important to disregard those who have been shot. The REAL victims are the backyard commandos who's ability to shoot watermelons apart on weekends is being threatened!


True, because they listen to the laws more so than the whacko who clearly ignored the 'gun free zone' line.
 
2014-04-09 03:24:39 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


Some words in language shift over time. They have a "if everyone uses it a certain way for a while, it just becomes that new definition"

Technical terms on the other hand are, and should be, immune from that. Some words really do have specific meanings because they refer to a very specific thing and there are other terms that cover other things. Think of it this way: your metatarsal bones refer to specific bones in the human foot. If you got a bunch of non-doctors to start calling your jaw bone "the metatarsal" would that become the new definition? Of course not. Those people would just be wrong, no matter how many of them there are.

"Assault rifle" is a technical term for a specific group of firearms. Qualified gun experts, armorers, manufactures, etc know this. They are as much an authority on gun terms as a doctor would be on bones. Just because a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about, including those who write the Miriam Webster dictionary, don't really know what it means doesn't mean it doesn't have a specific definition.
 
2014-04-09 03:25:24 PM  

ShadowKamui: Grats on finding either a typo in the dictionary or pointing out that some lazy idiot needs to be fired at Websters


You'll note that I picked multiple dictionaries and they all have the same definition. Maybe it is you who is wrong, chief.
 
2014-04-09 03:25:27 PM  
But Obummer is gonna take 'em soon. A gun industry trade group said so.
 
2014-04-09 03:27:31 PM  
And I was going to retire from the t-shirt and coffee mug profits.

image16.spreadshirt.com
 
2014-04-09 03:27:56 PM  
ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.
 
2014-04-09 03:28:50 PM  

drew46n2: again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.


Again, here you are arguing on emotion, without considering the practical and technical issues surrounding what you want to ban.

You say "ban assault weapons".

Well, OK, define them.

There are only two possible ways to do that:  By function, and by cosmetics.

By function, you'd have to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.  That's the *ONLY* way to get an effective assault weapons ban, and it's *NEVER* going to happen because a lot of traditional hunting rifles and shotguns like the Ruger Mini-30, Remington 750 and 7500, Remington 1100, etc. would end up getting banned also.

That would upset the Fudds.

So really, the only way to ban assault weapons is based on cosmetic things that don't add to the lethality of the gun in the least:  Bayonet lugs, flash hiders/muzzle brakes, pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.

But that isn't going to do anything from a practical standpoint because you don't need those things for a functioning, lethal gun.

What you've done, at that point, is the equivalent of banning racing stripes and spoilers on cars, in an attempt to regulate street racing.  Think that'll work?
 
2014-04-09 03:30:25 PM  
www.gunnuts.net
 
KIA
2014-04-09 03:31:01 PM  
OMG, people own guns.  They also own knives and clubs and spears and swords and boomerangs.  Get over it.
 
2014-04-09 03:32:00 PM  
www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
2014-04-09 03:32:00 PM  
I have been furiously LOL'ing at the abundance of folks putting up their near new "blackrifles" for sale in certain forums and ad bulletins.  Every single one goes like this:

"Hey guys I'm selling my AR just bought last year, 100 rounds through it.  $800 firm"

[next day] "Reduced, to $750"

[next week] "I'll take $650 for it if someone will take it off my hands"


[week after] *crickets*
 
2014-04-09 03:32:04 PM  

dittybopper: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.


You shouldn't get too wound up about it. Liberal Progressives live in fear of of guns and people with guns. They don't understand the hobby and would rather, for the most part, would do away with anyone being able to  own anything might be used to harm another.

You can't blame them though, they have been trained since youth to fear things that they don't understand and are soft minded enough to think that anything for "the greater good" is acceptable and right. This is especially true if you can find some reason to form a new gov't agency to regulate anything that they have an issue with. Being good sheep is about being part of the collective, and they certainly don't want to be seen as bad sheep by their Central Planning handlers.
 
2014-04-09 03:32:30 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A guy at my local food co-op told me that people are modifying automatic AR-47 assault rifles so they can shoot two 40-caliper clips of hollow-point shotgun shells at the same time.


My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

/I don't get my weapons news at the farmers market.
//The produce is really fresh though.
 
2014-04-09 03:33:21 PM  
jaybeezey:

You can't blame them though, they have been trained since youth to fear things that they don't understand and are soft minded enough to think that anything for "the greater good" is acceptable and right. This is especially true if you can find some reason to form a new gov't agency to regulate anything that they have an issue with. Being good sheep is about being part of the collective, and they certainly don't want to be seen as bad sheep by their Central Planning handlers.

www.studybreakmedia.com
 
2014-04-09 03:33:26 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: But Obummer is gonna take 'em soon. A gun industry trade group said so.


Uh, no.  Obama said so.  He even said if Congress didn't act, he would look for ways to act on his own.  The fact that he failed miserably might have reasonably been foreseeable, but your statement is as wrong as wrong can be.
 
2014-04-09 03:33:52 PM  

Ghastly: I like my firearms to have less chance of being all explodey in my hands.


Lower receiver on an AR-15 doesn't need to be particularly strong.  That's why it was originally (and still is) made from an aluminum alloy.  And if it fails, it won't explode.

I'd shoot an AR-15 with a plastic or wooden lower.  Maybe I'd wear leather gloves so I don't get a splinter with the wooden one.

I also remember seeing an AR-15 lower a guy built from appropriately cut and drilled brass sheets.  It was held together by nuts and bolts, and IIRC, it was functional but heavier than an aluminum one.
 
2014-04-09 03:34:53 PM  

dittybopper: drew46n2: again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.

Again, here you are arguing on emotion, without considering the practical and technical issues surrounding what you want to ban.

You say "ban assault weapons".

Well, OK, define them.

There are only two possible ways to do that:  By function, and by cosmetics.

By function, you'd have to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.  That's the *ONLY* way to get an effective assault weapons ban, and it's *NEVER* going to happen because a lot of traditional hunting rifles and shotguns like the Ruger Mini-30, Remington 750 and 7500, Remington 1100, etc. would end up getting banned also.

That would upset the Fudds.

So really, the only way to ban assault weapons is based on cosmetic things that don't add to the lethality of the gun in the least:  Bayonet lugs, flash hiders/muzzle brakes, pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.

But that isn't going to do anything from a practical standpoint because you don't need those things for a functioning, lethal gun.

What you've done, at that point, is the equivalent of banning racing stripes and spoilers on cars, in an attempt to regulate street racing.  Think that'll work?


You sound like a child molester arguing over what exactly the word "consent" means.
 
2014-04-09 03:35:26 PM  

drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.


The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.
 
2014-04-09 03:36:48 PM  

BarleyGnome: I wouldn't mind getting an AR lower, but prices are just to insane right now, not to mention frenzy on ammo hoarding.


THIS.

Fark!  Anyone want to invest in a target ammunition company?  9mm, .223, .40, and .45.  We'll make millions.
 
2014-04-09 03:37:49 PM  

rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.


Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.
 
2014-04-09 03:38:14 PM  

dittybopper: drew46n2: again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.

Again, here you are arguing on emotion, without considering the practical and technical issues surrounding what you want to ban.

You say "ban assault weapons".

Well, OK, define them.

There are only two possible ways to do that:  By function, and by cosmetics.

By function, you'd have to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.  That's the *ONLY* way to get an effective assault weapons ban, and it's *NEVER* going to happen because a lot of traditional hunting rifles and shotguns like the Ruger Mini-30, Remington 750 and 7500, Remington 1100, etc. would end up getting banned also.

That would upset the Fudds.

So really, the only way to ban assault weapons is based on cosmetic things that don't add to the lethality of the gun in the least:  Bayonet lugs, flash hiders/muzzle brakes, pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.

But that isn't going to do anything from a practical standpoint because you don't need those things for a functioning, lethal gun.

What you've done, at that point, is the equivalent of banning racing stripes and spoilers on cars, in an attempt to regulate street racing.  Think that'll work?


Rule number one for having a discussion about anything is to actually know what the fark you're talking about. If you're going to debate a topic, you need to be informed about the topic. Basic definitions of words and terms is required. If you can't be bothered to actually know what something is before you start talking about it, much less talking about banning it, you cannot be taken seriously.

This is especially important when you're talking about  law. Law has to be specific, technical, and correct by its very nature. Why don't don't we just have one law in the whole country that just says "don't do bad stuff". Well what's bad stuff? What constitutes doing? Laws must be spelled out as precise as they can be so that people actually know if their own specific action is prohibited or if it's not. Middle ground and grey areas are a disaster and one of the reasons why we could fill warehouses with court opinions that spell things out even more precisely because the law wasn't specific enough when it was written.

So yes, if you're going to jump into a discussion about laws pertaining to gun, you damn well better know exactly what you're talking about, what things mean, what they don't mean and why. That's what laws are based on. And if you don't know that stuff your opinion is pretty much irrelevant.
 
2014-04-09 03:38:27 PM  
cybermech.net
 
2014-04-09 03:38:42 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A guy at my local food co-op told me that people are modifying automatic AR-47 assault rifles so they can shoot two 40-caliper clips of hollow-point shotgun shells at the same time.

Do we, as a people, really need weapons that are this needlessly destructive?


Depends on a) the size of your dick and b) how much of a coward you are.

If you're a real man, you don't need that crap.

And after having been shown how a ban a large clips isn't needed because they don't really slow anyone down, I'm convinced that a ban on large clips wouldn't hurt anyone, so why should anyone care if large clips are banned?
 
2014-04-09 03:39:05 PM  

Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr3355enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr3355e nr .pdf

Pages 202 and 203.
 
2014-04-09 03:40:25 PM  

Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,



So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.
 
2014-04-09 03:42:56 PM  

stonicus: You sound like a child molester arguing over what exactly the word "consent" means.


Nice ad hominem.

You sound like a prosecutor trying to convict someone of a sex crime because they took a piss in an alley behind a dumpster.
 
2014-04-09 03:43:56 PM  
Few things give me greater pleasure than seeing a butthurt gun nut.
 
2014-04-09 03:44:34 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.

Your issue is with English speakers, Merriam-Webster and the OED. Not me. YOU are the one redefining words. You don't get to just pick definitions of words just because you like them.


Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

The ATF doesn't use the term assault rifle either. To them it's either a machine gun, a destructive device, or a normal firearm (shotgun, rifle, pistol). The ATF considers an AR-15 just a rifle. It considers an M-16 a machine gun. There's not really a way to reconcile the difference between the two if you want to class the weapons together in any meaningful way according to US law. A journalist writing about weapons like an AR-15 and calling them "assault rifles" is miserably failing AP style for these reasons, and mass media is where the redefinition is primarily being pushed from.
 
2014-04-09 03:44:37 PM  

dittybopper: So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


And that's why the gun lobby loves you.
 
2014-04-09 03:44:58 PM  
You have to be pretty damn stupid to be a gun nut so this is not surprising.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:02 PM  

stonicus: dittybopper: drew46n2: again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.

Again, here you are arguing on emotion, without considering the practical and technical issues surrounding what you want to ban.

You say "ban assault weapons".

Well, OK, define them.

There are only two possible ways to do that:  By function, and by cosmetics.

By function, you'd have to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.  That's the *ONLY* way to get an effective assault weapons ban, and it's *NEVER* going to happen because a lot of traditional hunting rifles and shotguns like the Ruger Mini-30, Remington 750 and 7500, Remington 1100, etc. would end up getting banned also.

That would upset the Fudds.

So really, the only way to ban assault weapons is based on cosmetic things that don't add to the lethality of the gun in the least:  Bayonet lugs, flash hiders/muzzle brakes, pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.

But that isn't going to do anything from a practical standpoint because you don't need those things for a functioning, lethal gun.

What you've done, at that point, is the equivalent of banning racing stripes and spoilers on cars, in an attempt to regulate street racing.  Think that'll work?

You sound like a child molester arguing over what exactly the word "consent" means.


And you sound like a loon who thinks that all penetrative sex is rape.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:03 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


 Ban != confiscation. Assault weapons != all firearms

And you wonder why we call you gun  nuts.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:10 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.


I thought you said you were going outside because it was nice out.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:53 PM  

redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.


I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...
 
2014-04-09 03:46:07 PM  
dittybopper: "So people should have just ignored him, because they should have known he wouldn't be able to get anything passed in Congress?"

More or less, yeah. "Concerned" hunters and sportsmen should have, instead of freaking out and buying gobs of ammo and eating panic-induced price-hikes, just noted the political rhetoric and then chuckled.

1, because they ought to have paid attention in civics class and known that the President doesn't have much to do with it and 2, because they ought to have a memory longer than a goldfish.
There has been no shortage of high profile shootings since, say, Columbine, and each of those has seen political rhetoric about gun legislation in their wake. And time and again they've only demonstrated the NRA is in no way threatened. The politicians pushing legislation are people who have absolutely no political clout, are getting their clocks cleaned in the judiciary and are reduced to seeking political points with talk.

Never mind that "Obama coming for your guns" started as a meme long before Sandy Hook. For years the only 'evidence' was vague intimations that he was a Chicago politician or just a 'liberal' -- as if those were cause enough to justify the panic. Then there was the bit where the fear mongers and paranoiacs wet their pants because some 'new' guidelines from "Obama's" park service mentioned the responsibility that sportsmen have on public land, without explicitly declaring the *primacy* of their rights. Despite there being no real *actual* change in policy in that document that remotely threatened the status quo, it was paraded around as 'proof' of Obama-coming-for-your-guns. Or do you remember the co-opted Alex Jones/Glenn Beck nonsense about government agencies buying tons of ammo? How that was turned into the "reason" ammo prices shot up *and* (somehow) evidence that Obama's shock troops (probably Acorn) were preparing to go house-to-house to seize guns?

So let's not pretend like this idea was a response to any actual evidence. It's been something between a self-reinforcing delusion and money-making meme in search of a justification for years. Just because evidence of an intent finally showed up -- never mind us all knowing that intent was never going to be enough to enact change -- that doesn't retroactively justify the fear-mongering and profiteering.
 
2014-04-09 03:46:32 PM  

Lando Lincoln: dittybopper: So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

And that's why the gun lobby loves you.


When the ALA comes out in support of 1st amendment rights, do you accuse them of being in bed with Big Book?

http://www.ala.org/
 
2014-04-09 03:46:40 PM  

Actual Farking: drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]

You know this guy is packing a monster hog.

[www.recoilweb.com image 618x412]


I lost it when I saw the wall mount. LOL.
 
2014-04-09 03:46:46 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


But we have a government that was built on a system of checks and balances, the president is not a dictator, no matter how much the insane right wing wants you to believe it.

No gun control would ever pass a GOP controlled house, ever. They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a DNC controlled house. "Gun Control" is a political third rail in this country these days, Dems just have to keep paying lip service to it.

You were scared into buying soemthing by people who stood to profit substantially by doing so. You got duped, it happens to everyone. I bought a new HVAC system last year I'm not certain I needed.

Just take a deep breath and enjoy your hobby. Hobbies are fun and they're supposed to take your time and money.
 
2014-04-09 03:46:46 PM  
I'll never sell my ghost gun though.

www.everydaynodaysoff.com

"This is a ghost gun, this right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second."
 
2014-04-09 03:47:09 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

I thought you said you were going outside because it was nice out.


I did go outside. But that's not my quote.
 
2014-04-09 03:48:56 PM  

dittybopper: stonicus: You sound like a child molester arguing over what exactly the word "consent" means.

Nice ad hominem.

You sound like a prosecutor trying to convict someone of a sex crime because they took a piss in an alley behind a dumpster.


Ehhh, 5/10... I'll give you a second chance... try again... =)
 
2014-04-09 03:49:27 PM  

impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's

1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.


I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?

scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-04-09 03:49:47 PM  

rwhamann: (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.


Interesting. If I called up an antique gun parts store and asked if they carried any M1 Garand magazines, what would they think I was talking about? I'll give you a hint. If they mailed me some replacement stripper clips, they would have sent me the wrong part. The magazine on a Garand is actually part of the rifle itself and clips are used to press rounds into the magazine, then discarded.

The reason why clip and magazine aren't interchangeable is because some guns do use actual clips and some use detachable magazines, and they're not the same kind of part. You can't just call up an auto parts store and expect them to know if you're talking about disc brakes or drum brakes when you just say "brakes". They're not the same thing and the terms are not interchangeable. Thinking they are just makes you wrong and ignorant. It's the same with magazine and clip. Using them interchangeably just shows you haven't actually learned what they mean yet.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:13 PM  
For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:44 PM  

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke


That's nonsense.  Commieneticut is going to do it first.  They're already trying with great success.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:47 PM  

dittybopper: self important blabber.


It was just too much to ask that you read the article, wasn't it? Much more important that you indulge yourself in some self-aggrandizing pseudo intellectual "let me tell you about guns" bullsh*t.

You're "that gun owner" the rest of us walk away from...
 
2014-04-09 03:50:53 PM  
I sold one of my EBR's (evil black rifles) last year for about twice what I paid for it 10 years ago.

Then I bought a Bowtech compound bow.

The bow is fun to shoot and I can do it in the backyard, as long as the kiddos are inside.  I can't shoot the rifles I have due to the vicinity of other houses.

Well, I probably COULD shoot them, I just prefer not to get in trouble with the cops.  Or my neighbors.  Or my neighbor who is a cop.
 
2014-04-09 03:50:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...


I read it and you're wrong, to put it bluntly.
 
2014-04-09 03:53:02 PM  

dittybopper: Lower receiver on an AR-15 doesn't need to be particularly strong. That's why it was originally (and still is) made from an aluminum alloy. And if it fails, it won't explode.


One dude made a functioning(don't know how many shots) lower from paper mache.
 
2014-04-09 03:54:10 PM  

redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...

I read it and you're wrong, to put it bluntly.


I'm wrong because reasons, obviously.
 
2014-04-09 03:55:14 PM  
Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 03:55:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

I don't think you actually read the definition of assault rifle...

I read it and you're wrong, to put it bluntly.

I'm wrong because reasons, obviously.


Yeah. AP stylebook says Mr CNN is wrong in the article. Manufacturers, the ATF, militaries, and people who fix and sell them all disagree with you. Do you have a particular authority outside of non subject matter experts that you'd like to consult?
 
2014-04-09 03:55:49 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.


Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.
 
2014-04-09 03:56:20 PM  

drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]


Cowards that like to intimidate people.
 
2014-04-09 03:58:18 PM  

CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.


Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."
 
2014-04-09 03:59:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


And Merriam-Webster isn't a legal or firearms reference book. Try Jane's. Try the law.
 
2014-04-09 04:00:28 PM  
Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
www.therpf.com  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?
 
2014-04-09 04:00:35 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: drew46n2: ooh, but at least you got your "man card" reissue for the penii-impaired
[img.fark.net image 466x626]

Never really understood the matching between guns as phallic symbols.

Unless your penis shoots bullets, you can't really say ones in compensation for a lack of the other because they have nothing to do with each other.


The phrase shooting blanks to refer to male infertility is older than me.
/Old.
 
2014-04-09 04:00:50 PM  

redmid17: Manufacturers, the ATF, militaries, and people who fix and sell them all disagree with you. Do you have a particular authority outside of non subject matter experts that you'd like to consult?


I have the authority of the English language. The AP stylebook doesn't say what you'd like it to say, either.

Funny that you guys would rather talk about this meaningless bullsh*t that you're wrong on and avoid the topic of why cosmetic items are used to differentiate different types of firearms.
 
2014-04-09 04:01:12 PM  
Sheesh!

Yes, rifles have been really expensive lately.

But my question is this... when the hell is .22 lr going to be back in stock again and cheap. Because holy shiat am I tired of having to scrape around for whatever i can find. 22lr is just about as hard to find as hens teeth still.
 
2014-04-09 04:01:26 PM  

anuran: And Merriam-Webster isn't a legal or firearms reference book. Try Jane's. Try the law.


Merriam-Webster, last I checked, is an authority on the English language.  We're not debating law right now we are debating language.
 
2014-04-09 04:02:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: James!: 

Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.

You're right. I'm actually about to go outside - it's a beautiful day.


In other words: "I'm wrong! fark you! I'm taking my ball and running 

impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's

1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.


No, ignoramus. An assault rifle is a selective fire small-to-medium caliber rifle.
 
2014-04-09 04:03:05 PM  

anuran: In other words: "I'm wrong! fark you! I'm taking my ball and running


WTF are you talking about? I'm right here, dumbass. I took a break for an hour because it's one of the first beautiful days we've had in awhile.
 
2014-04-09 04:06:48 PM  

BarleyGnome: I wouldn't mind getting an AR lower, but prices are just to insane right now, not to mention frenzy on ammo hoarding.


Get a 70% or 80% lower and find someone with a decent shop.
 
2014-04-09 04:07:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Manufacturers, the ATF, militaries, and people who fix and sell them all disagree with you. Do you have a particular authority outside of non subject matter experts that you'd like to consult?

I have the authority of the English language. The AP stylebook doesn't say what you'd like it to say, either.

Funny that you guys would rather talk about this meaningless bullsh*t that you're wrong on and avoid the topic of why cosmetic items are used to differentiate different types of firearms.


Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure. I already typed it out for the thread, but I do love reiterating myself to people who can't or won't read. It's not just cosmetic differences differentiating the types of firearms. It's actual functionality too (ie semi-auto vs auto), the kind of distinctions that the laws make.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-09 04:08:28 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
[www.therpf.com image 850x637]  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?


The Liberator was basically a single-use pistol to be used to kill a German soldier for his weapon, it didn't use dum-dum rounds, just regular .45 ACP with full metal jacketed ammo.
 
2014-04-09 04:09:03 PM  

CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.


Are you intimidated yet?

www.opencarrytexas.org

www.opencarrytexas.org
 
2014-04-09 04:12:45 PM  

JesseL: I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?


No, it's not designed for military forces.
 
2014-04-09 04:12:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.


Nice deflection - the legislator pushing for the law could not trouble herself to educate herself on the basic points - which end is the bangy part and which end is the holdy part.  Get it?  What's your field of expertise?  Do you want someone making laws that govern you without knowing something taught in the first 5 minutes of whatever training you've taken?  If she'd mistaken upper and lower receiver, I wouldn't have commented.  If she'd mistaken clip and magazine, I'd laugh at people that complained.  If she'd mistaken bayonet lug for flash suppressor, I'd have sympathy for her.

She doesn't need to be Dr. Oakley, gun scientician, but she needs to show that she took the trouble to understand what she's doing.
 
2014-04-09 04:15:52 PM  
This is totally a bookmark.
 
2014-04-09 04:17:23 PM  

The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a

JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]
 controlled house.


That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?
 
2014-04-09 04:18:36 PM  

mediablitz: dittybopper: self important blabber.

It was just too much to ask that you read the article, wasn't it? Much more important that you indulge yourself in some self-aggrandizing pseudo intellectual "let me tell you about guns" bullsh*t.

You're "that gun owner" the rest of us walk away from...


Here, let me gunsplain this to you...
 
2014-04-09 04:19:30 PM  

This text is now purple: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr3355enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr3355e nr .pdf

Pages 202 and 203.


OK, let's look at that:

''(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept
a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of-
''(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
''(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
''(iii) a bayonet mount;
''(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed
to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
''(v) a grenade launcher;


So let's look at those features, shall we?

(i) a folding or telescoping stock

There is already a minimum overall length for rifles written into the law:  A rifle can be no shorter than 26 inches overall length with the stock folded.  So even if you have a folding stock, it still has to be more than 2 feet long (16 inches of which must be barrel).

So what happens if you ban them?  People just make shorter-stocked guns to make them handier.  You haven't gained anything.

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;


I'm pretty familiar with weapons, and I can't for the life of me see why this is a problem.  It's a consequence of design:  Pistol grips came about because in order to reduce the amount of muzzle climb, firearms designers moved the stock to be in-line with the axis of the barrel.  That means the recoil goes straight back into the shoulder, instead of up and back.  The problem was a traditional style stock would be *EXTREMELY* awkward in that configuration.  Take a yardstick (or any straight thing, like a hunk of PVC pipe), hold it up to your shoulder, and try to grip it like a rifle.  See how your trigger arm is all akimbo?  It's uncomfortable, and definitely not conducive to accurate shooting.

So the solution was to make a separate pistol grip.

That's what it's for, ergonomics when firing from the shoulder.

(iii) a bayonet mount;

OK, if you can come up with a serious reason why these need to go, you let me know.  I've been following this issue closely for 30 years now, and I've never heard of any serious bayonet attacks.

'(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed
to accommodate a flash suppressor;


Again, I'm at a loss for why these are "bad".  All flash suppressors do is diffuse the flash from firing.  It's still visible, and it doesn't effect the lethality of the projectile in the least.  In fact, a bunch of modern military rifles don't even have them.  For example, the AKM doesn't use one, and neither does the AK-74.  They have muzzle brakes, which help reduce muzzle climb similar to the Browning BOSS system or ported shotgun barrels used by civilian sportsmen.

'(v) a grenade launcher

Grenades themselves are classified as "destructive devices" under federal law and you have to register them with the ATF and pay a $200 tax for *EACH* one you own.

Also, this is actually meaningless because rod-type rifle grenades can be used by any rifle, including single-shot hunting guns.

In any event, again, I haven't heard of this being a problem.  *EVER*.

So let's sum up:  There is a legal minimum length for rifles that applies to all rifles, even those with a folding stock, pistol grips are the ergonomic solution to gripping a rifle that has a stock with no drop, flash hiders don't do anything to increase the ability to hide nor do they increase how deadly the gun is, nobody is going around bayoneting people, and neither is anyone doing rifle grenade massacres.

So what was the point again?
 
2014-04-09 04:19:35 PM  

impaler: JesseL: I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?

No, it's not designed for military forces.


True, it's not. This one was though:

scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-04-09 04:19:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]
 controlled house.

That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?


MVP Patrol.  I think.
 
2014-04-09 04:20:08 PM  

jaybeezey: dittybopper: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.

You shouldn't get too wound up about it. Liberal Progressives live in fear of of guns and people with guns. They don't understand the hobby and would rather, for the most part, would do away with anyone being able to  own anything might be used to harm another.

You can't blame them though, they have been trained since youth to fear things that they don't understand and are soft minded enough to think that anything for "the greater good" is acceptable and right. This is especially true if you can find some reason to form a new gov't agency to regulate anything that they have an issue with. Being good sheep is about being part of the collective, and they certainly don't want to be seen as bad sheep by their Central Planning handlers.


That is why I am a Compassionate Liberal. I often take out my gun collection, clean them, check my ammo stores, check my stock of rags and glass bottles. For when the revolution comes and we take back this country from the Republitards, the 1%ers, the Christians, and bankers I will eagerly be on the front lines burning, shooting and rapeing those people I don't insto submission. Compassionate Liberalism at it's finest.
 
2014-04-09 04:20:31 PM  

taurusowner: rwhamann: (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.

Interesting. If I called up an antique gun parts store and asked if they carried any M1 Garand magazines, what would they think I was talking about? I'll give you a hint. If they mailed me some replacement stripper clips, they would have sent me the wrong part. The magazine on a Garand is actually part of the rifle itself and clips are used to press rounds into the magazine, then discarded.

The reason why clip and magazine aren't interchangeable is because some guns do use actual clips and some use detachable magazines, and they're not the same kind of part. You can't just call up an auto parts store and expect them to know if you're talking about disc brakes or drum brakes when you just say "brakes". They're not the same thing and the terms are not interchangeable. Thinking they are just makes you wrong and ignorant. It's the same with magazine and clip. Using them interchangeably just shows you haven't actually learned what they mean yet.


In a gun store, yes, they are definitely distinct terms.  In a law, they damn well better be spelled out.  Talking head or otherwise discussing the broad idea that they want guns with a maximum load of 10 rounds, I could give a shiat what word he or she uses, because the effect they're trying to achieve is indistinguishable.
 
2014-04-09 04:20:33 PM  

redmid17: For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.


The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.
 
2014-04-09 04:22:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.

Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.


You know; my 76 year old mosin nagant has a barrel shroud. It's just made of wood. It's main utility is to allow me not to burn my hand on the barrel. Plenty of hunting rifles have full or partial shrouds.
 
2014-04-09 04:23:29 PM  
So for as little as $375 dollars I can buy an assult rifle and then be assured that I will meet Obama when he comes to take it from me?

That sounds like a bargain, meeting him otherwise would involve airfare, hotels, lucky timing, and maybe even a large campaign donation. I would literaly be saving thousands.
 
2014-04-09 04:24:10 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]
 controlled house.

That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?


Looks like one of these but I can't tell if his is bolt-action or not. I think I see the handle, but it's kind of dark.
 
2014-04-09 04:26:04 PM  

dittybopper: Of course, if you're more handy than that, you could always build an AK out of a shiat-shovel


That one is just amazing every time I see it...
 
2014-04-09 04:26:22 PM  

Farking Canuck: redmid17: For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.

The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


Semantics matter when you send people to jail over them.

Semantics matter when you want to deliberately confuse the public into thinking that a popular sporting rifle is a machine gun.
 
2014-04-09 04:26:50 PM  

redmid17: Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure


You don't seem to get that the AP stylebook jibes perfectly with the dictionary definition.
 
2014-04-09 04:26:52 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A guy at my local food co-op told me that people are modifying automatic AR-47 assault rifles so they can shoot two 40-caliper clips of hollow-point shotgun shells at the same time.

Do we, as a people, really need weapons that are this needlessly destructive?


Someone should put the brakes on that.
 
2014-04-09 04:27:48 PM  

Actual Farking: drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]

You know this guy is packing a monster hog.

[www.recoilweb.com image 618x412]


And he's about to break his farking jaw...
 
2014-04-09 04:28:21 PM  

gravy chugging cretin.: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Are you intimidated yet?

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x637]

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]


Retards with guns should scare anyone.
 
2014-04-09 04:29:12 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?


Wasnt that thing in a Clint Eastwood movie?
 
2014-04-09 04:30:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure

You don't seem to get that the AP stylebook jibes perfectly with the dictionary definition.


Because Merriam Webster has final say on the actual legal definition of things, right?
 
2014-04-09 04:30:28 PM  

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


The people who will end up having to comply with the law care, because it's their ass on the line.

Is that reason enough?
 
2014-04-09 04:30:34 PM  

Farking Canuck: redmid17: For everyone's edification, the 2009 AP Stylebook entry for assault rifle and assault weapon:

"assault rifle: a rifle that is capable of being fired in fully automatic and semi-automatic modes, at the user's option. Designed for, and used by, miltary forces. Also used by some law enforcement agencies. The form: "an M16 assault rifle""

"assault weapon: a semi-automatic firearm similar in appearance to a fully automatic firearm or military weapon.  Not synonomouswith assault rifle, which can be used in fully automatic mode. Wherever possible, be specific about the type of weapon: semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, semi-automatic pistol"

If you guys want, I can post the AP stylebook definition of "automatic" too.

The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


To risk being pedantic, there is a pretty big difference and it's not minutae. Like I said before, the ATF treats the two very differently. I don't really care about the assault weapon definition, even though I think it's a stupid designation. It's changed several times and exists in varying forms in different cities, states, and on a national level (past and proposed). An assault rifle is a 'machine gun' per the ATF. There is a small pool for civilians, who are heavily vetted, to legally purchase and it is heavily, heavily regulated . If you get caught in possession of an unregistered (or one not registered to you) machine gun in the US, you're looking at 10 years in jail, a felony, and up to 250K fine.  That is anywhere in the US and its territories.

Assault weapons might have similar penalties, but those weapons are legal some places, need to be registered elsewhere, and are completely banned in others. The functional and cosmetic aspects aside, there is a huge disparity on how the law treats them. That is why some people care.

/also plenty of people in this thread seem to care
//welcome to fark
 
2014-04-09 04:31:00 PM  
When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.


I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."
 
2014-04-09 04:32:56 PM  

steve42: When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."


That's because you are a paranoid gun nut and probably have mental problems.
 
2014-04-09 04:33:27 PM  

drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."


You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.
 
2014-04-09 04:33:27 PM  
Not sure how I came out. I bought an older a2 style ar15 last fall from a friend for $425. Decided I didn't like the a2 style and sold the upper for $225. I probably spent $7-800 on the new upper I built but it's all high quality shiat I wanted.
 
2014-04-09 04:33:55 PM  

dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.

You mean they actually believed politicians who said they were going to try and ban assault weapons?  Why, the *FOOLS*!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/obama-gun-violence-task-for ce _n_2331238.html
WASHINGTON - Declaring the time for action overdue, President Barack Obama promised on Wednesday to send Congress broad proposals in January for tightening gun laws and curbing violence after last week's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.

Even before those proposals are drafted, Obama pressed lawmakers to reinstate a ban on military-style assault weapons, close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.

Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.


If gun owners think a President makes laws without both houses of Congress having their say first, then, yes, they were quite stupid indeed.
 
2014-04-09 04:34:45 PM  

Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.


What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.
 
2014-04-09 04:35:25 PM  

Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.


OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?
 
2014-04-09 04:36:28 PM  

iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.

Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.

You know; my 76 year old mosin nagant has a barrel shroud. It's just made of wood. It's main utility is to allow me not to burn my hand on the barrel. Plenty of hunting rifles have full or partial shrouds.


Actually, I would think any rifle that didn't have a forward handgrip would have one. My SKS definitely has one, it's also known as the forward part of the stock...

Too bad people don't understand why the word definitions are important. you can type until your hands grow physically attached to the keyboard and the grabbers will just ignore you, unfortunately, but they're all for laws based on incomplete meanings unless it affects them directly.
 
2014-04-09 04:36:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Here, let me post a picture of the page of the AP Stylebook I'm staring at. I'm sure you have one that refutes the definition I found since you seem to be so sure

You don't seem to get that the AP stylebook jibes perfectly with the dictionary definition.


No it doesn't. I can read, unlike you. An assault rifle is capable of auto AND semi-auto fire made for militaries and LEOs. An assault weapon looks similar to an assault rifle but is only capable of semi-auto fire. Your definitions, once again not from SMEs, include automatic OR semi-automatic and is made for militaries.

More to the point, the fleshed out encyclopedia entry right below the MW definition actually conflicts with its definition:

Full Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE
:  any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000-1,600 ft (300-500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. [ examples given but don't want to thread crap]


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20rifle
 
2014-04-09 04:38:14 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.


You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.
 
2014-04-09 04:39:45 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.


You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.
 
2014-04-09 04:40:44 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?


Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.
 
2014-04-09 04:41:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.

No you don't. English-speakers do. Too bad. You were wrong, just be a man and admit it.


Like what, put it up for a vote?  I don't see that working well.  I mean, what if we did the same thing with a programming language?
 
2014-04-09 04:42:17 PM  

Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.


In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...
 
2014-04-09 04:42:31 PM  

Ex-Texan: Is anyone old enough to remember the "Liberator" guns from WWII, they'd drop them behind enemy lines in Europe, it was a single shot .45, intended for close range, with a single .45 "dum-dum" round. made for short range targets, due to the smooth bore. I've head stories of people getting shot with those kinda rounds, they'll messed someone up when a round goes whizzing through the body, on a roller coaster ride. Nowadays it's different:
[www.therpf.com image 850x637]  Time to ban epoxy now, I guess?


Actually, that was the gun from In The Line of Fire. The "Liberator" looks like this:

upload.wikimedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
 
2014-04-09 04:42:55 PM  

JesseL: impaler: JesseL: I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.

My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?

No, it's not designed for military forces.

True, it's not. This one was though:

[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


But it's not semi-auto or faster.
 
2014-04-09 04:43:12 PM  

CynicalLA: steve42: When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's because you are a paranoid gun nut and probably have mental problems.


You're right, of course. I own three.  They look like these:

img.fark.net
Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!
 
2014-04-09 04:43:17 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.


I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.
 
2014-04-09 04:44:01 PM  

BgJonson79: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...


Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do, nor as many zealots who would lock themselves in their homes and shoot at anyone who came near their property.
 
2014-04-09 04:44:13 PM  
gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

img.fark.net

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.
 
2014-04-09 04:45:19 PM  

Carn: Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do


Not anymore they don't.
 
2014-04-09 04:46:16 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.


A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.
 
2014-04-09 04:46:25 PM  

ultraholland: gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.


American flag outfit with an AK?  Seems conflicted.
 
2014-04-09 04:46:53 PM  

ultraholland: gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.


Damn, they scare me to death.  Oh wait, I'm not CynicalLA, no they don't.
 
2014-04-09 04:47:46 PM  

steve42: Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!


It's the irrational paranoia that makes you crazy.
 
2014-04-09 04:47:49 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.


Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.
 
2014-04-09 04:47:49 PM  

CynicalLA: A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone. You are not too bright.


We aren't talking about intelligence here, we're talking about how fearful you are of them.
 
2014-04-09 04:48:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: rwhamann: drew46n2: again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.  If you can't understand that simple difference, then defer to those who do.  Of course, this should apply to any technical issue where experts and engineers actually know what they're talking about, like medicine, internet access, encryption, etc.  (I agree with you that gun aficionados should just give up the fight on clip vs magazine - their broad function is quite similar, and colloquial language has made them interchangeable.  Language evolved - get over it.)

It'll never happen, but we can dream.

Let me ask you this: Is a barrel shroud or a folding stock more likely to be present on a hunting rifle or an assault rifle?

Once you can answer that question then you will understand why rifles are classified this way rather than on magazine or clip capacity or caliber.


Should they be?  Does that change the performance of the round as it exits the barrel?  After all, a firearm is simply designed to eject said lead downrange...
 
2014-04-09 04:48:48 PM  

Carn: BgJonson79: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...

Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do, nor as many zealots who would lock themselves in their homes and shoot at anyone who came near their property.


I guess that makes sense when you're the subject of the queen and not a citizen ;-)
 
2014-04-09 04:48:53 PM  

lamric: demaL-demaL-yeH: The Homer Tax: They couldn't even get healthcare reform through a JesseL: impaler: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Assault rifle means it's
1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
I picked this up from the distributor and sold it yesterday. Made all of $15 profit on it.
My question to you: Is it an Assault Rifle?
[scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x540]
 controlled house.

That looks like no Mossberg I've ever seen.
I give up: What the fark is it?

MVP Patrol.  I think.


Bolt-action 7.62 with a 24" barrel. Not bad.
How does it shoot?
 
2014-04-09 04:49:19 PM  

R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.


People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.
 
2014-04-09 04:49:28 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.


That's awfully sexist.  Why shouldn't women have guns?
 
2014-04-09 04:49:39 PM  

Carn: BgJonson79: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: dittybopper: Carn: ERberrrmerr is gonna come to take your guns any day now.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_tim e_ full.pdf
The President's Plan includes:
...
2. Banning military-style assault weapons and high-capacity 
 magazines,


So he was lying?

Well, he *IS* a politician, but generally, when someone says they want to do something, I take them at their word.

Says right there he's gonna beat down your door and personally rip them out of your hands.  Horror of horrors.  How will you ever protect yourself with just the rest of your hand guns, shotguns, and hunting rifles?  Oh and I know you're a black powder guy so those too.

OK, so, let me get this straight:  He wasn't coming for our guns, except that he said he was, but he was totally lying and we should have known that, because subsequent events have shown that he couldn't get any of his wish-list passed in Congress, right?

Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

In Australia, a ban did in fact mean the government went and took them away.  And since we all speak English...

Australia doesn't have the number of guns in circulation that we do, nor as many zealots who would lock themselves in their homes and shoot at anyone who came near their property.


Yes, let's take our lead from Australia; where everything wants to kill you and you might actually need a gun.

/ with link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_TB6onHVE&sns=em (copy/pasta)
 
2014-04-09 04:49:43 PM  
lamric: American flag outfit with an AK? Seems conflicted.

No shiat. The black boots and camo helmet are a bit out of place, too. I don't see how this guy plans on remaining discrete with this approach.
 
2014-04-09 04:50:31 PM  

CynicalLA: R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.

People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.


The cops are cowards?  Marines in Afghanistan are cowards?
 
2014-04-09 04:50:44 PM  

steve42: Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!


No, what's crazy is when someone says "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

You hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's nuts.
 
2014-04-09 04:51:35 PM  

jaybeezey: dittybopper: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.

You shouldn't get too wound up about it. Liberal Progressives live in fear of of guns and people with guns. They don't understand the hobby and would rather, for the most part, would do away with anyone being able to  own anything might be used to harm another.

You can't blame them though, they have been trained since youth to fear things that they don't understand and are soft minded enough to think that anything for "the greater good" is acceptable and right. This is especially true if you can find some reason to form a new gov't agency to regulate anything that they have an issue with. Being good sheep is about being part of the collective, and they certainly don't want to be seen as bad sheep by their Central Planning handlers.


You know the real reason a lot of liberals hate and fear guns?  Because a lot of them have close friends or relatives who were killed with one.  A gun to somebody living in an urban area (IE, likely a liberal) is the thing a drug dealer shot a six year old with, not a tool for hunting or target practice, like it is to somebody living in a rural area (IE, likely a conservative).

I'll give you a very specific example.

Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot.  She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.

Of course, Harvey Milk was shot by an ex-cop with his former service revolver, so basically no gun control law could have ever prevented his murder (other than banning all guns by all private citizens).
 
2014-04-09 04:51:52 PM  

CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.


And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.
 
2014-04-09 04:52:03 PM  

impaler: steve42: Because it couldn't be that I support other people's rights or anything like that, because that would be CRAZY!

No, what's crazy is when someone says "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

You hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's nuts.


Isn't that what lawyers do?
 
2014-04-09 04:52:16 PM  

CynicalLA: R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.

People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.


This is based on what? The fact that they have something in their possession that would be dangerous if it were in your possession?
 
2014-04-09 04:52:23 PM  

BgJonson79: CynicalLA: R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.

People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.

The cops are cowards?  Marines in Afghanistan are cowards?


I was talking about gun nuts.  Not people that are required to have one for their job.  It's no wonder you are a gun nut if you couldn't figure that out.
 
2014-04-09 04:53:02 PM  

CynicalLA: steve42: When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's because you are a paranoid gun nut and probably have mental problems.


Nice.  Calling people names.

This is why support for gun control keeps dropping despite mass shootings.

Instead of calling gun owners paranoiacs with mental problems, which allows you to easily dismiss their opinions and positions without actually having to face the possibility that you might actually be wrong, you should be engaging them, learning what actually makes the tick (it's not paranoia or mental illness, btw), and seeing what things you might find common ground on.

But it has to be *EARNEST*.  You can't fake it.  See what it's all about.  Go to the range.  Shoot some guns.  Take the myth and mystery out of it.  Learn the technology and science of it*.  Meet some actual gun owners.  Ask them why they feel like they do about the things you propose, and *LISTEN*.


*One of the things I like about shooting is that it's all just applied physics.
 
2014-04-09 04:53:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: anuran: And Merriam-Webster isn't a legal or firearms reference book. Try Jane's. Try the law.

Merriam-Webster, last I checked, is an authority on the English language.  We're not debating law right now we are debating language.


To be fair, the last few years have seen an increase in the 'Well, we're using the word wrong, but enough people are doing it that we're just going to change the definition"...
 
2014-04-09 04:53:22 PM  

CynicalLA: I was talking about gun nuts.


Please, define gun nuts.
 
2014-04-09 04:53:28 PM  

impaler: See Uzi.


An Uzi isn't a rifle.
 
2014-04-09 04:53:58 PM  

CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.

People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.

The cops are cowards?  Marines in Afghanistan are cowards?

I was talking about gun nuts.  Not people that are required to have one for their job.  It's no wonder you are a gun nut if you couldn't figure that out.


Then why did you say "People that carry" and not "gun nuts that carry" because after all, words have meanings.
 
2014-04-09 04:53:58 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.


You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.
 
2014-04-09 04:55:04 PM  

Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.


Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.
 
2014-04-09 04:55:36 PM  
demaL-demaL-yeH:

Bolt-action 7.62 with a 24" barrel. Not bad.
How does it shoot?


The reviews have been good. I haven't had a chance to try one myself yet.
 
2014-04-09 04:56:04 PM  

dittybopper: CynicalLA: steve42: When you say:

Farking Canuck: The real question is "Who cares?". Everyone is discussing the same thing ... gun nuts are just trying to use semantics to discredit opinions that have nothing to do with the minutia of gun terminology.

I hear: "All private gun ownership should be outlawed because violence."

That's because you are a paranoid gun nut and probably have mental problems.

Nice.  Calling people names.

This is why support for gun control keeps dropping despite mass shootings.

Instead of calling gun owners paranoiacs with mental problems, which allows you to easily dismiss their opinions and positions without actually having to face the possibility that you might actually be wrong, you should be engaging them, learning what actually makes the tick (it's not paranoia or mental illness, btw), and seeing what things you might find common ground on.

But it has to be *EARNEST*.  You can't fake it.  See what it's all about.  Go to the range.  Shoot some guns.  Take the myth and mystery out of it.  Learn the technology and science of it*.  Meet some actual gun owners.  Ask them why they feel like they do about the things you propose, and *LISTEN*.


*One of the things I like about shooting is that it's all just applied physics.


I own a couple guns and always skip your posts.  You are the biggest gun nut on this site and have no credibility.
 
2014-04-09 04:56:52 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.


I think you're level is over 10,000.  Truly an incredible pussy indeed.
 
2014-04-09 04:58:11 PM  
oops, your

"you can't even think for yourself"  Which alt was that from?  You mixing them up now?
 
2014-04-09 04:59:05 PM  

KidneyStone: I bought an AR15 the day of the Newton shootings because i knew this country would flip out and prices would go through the roof.  I liked it better than the AR I already owned so I sold the old one for $500 than I paid for it, which paid for the new one plus a few hundred in profit.  I could have sold it for $200-300 more but I sold it to a friend and didn't want to dick him.


Well, there you have it in a nutshell. Profiting off the bodies of dead children and bragging about it..
This is why I hate gun nuts.
Hopefully you'll all kill each other and your progeny through accidental shootings.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/former-ju-player-dies-in-accidental-sho ot ing/25392622

http://www.wesh.com/news/deputies-teen-held-without-bond-after-accid en tally-shooting-friend/25375896#!Dn1Ao


http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-04-07/story/dad-charged-acci de ntal-shooting-death-his-10-year-old-daughter


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dad-cuffed-girl-10-accident al ly-shot-killed-brother-georgia-home-article-1.1748219
 
2014-04-09 04:59:11 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.


I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.
 
2014-04-09 05:00:06 PM  

Maud Dib: KidneyStone: I bought an AR15 the day of the Newton shootings because i knew this country would flip out and prices would go through the roof.  I liked it better than the AR I already owned so I sold the old one for $500 than I paid for it, which paid for the new one plus a few hundred in profit.  I could have sold it for $200-300 more but I sold it to a friend and didn't want to dick him.

Well, there you have it in a nutshell. Profiting off the bodies of dead children and bragging about it..
This is why I hate gun nuts.
Hopefully you'll all kill each other and your progeny through accidental shootings.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/former-ju-player-dies-in-accidental-sho ot ing/25392622

http://www.wesh.com/news/deputies-teen-held-without-bond-after-accid en tally-shooting-friend/25375896#!Dn1Ao


http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-04-07/story/dad-charged-acci de ntal-shooting-death-his-10-year-old-daughter


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dad-cuffed-girl-10-accident al ly-shot-killed-brother-georgia-home-article-1.1748219


You wish death on your political enemies?  Mr. Putin, is that you?
 
2014-04-09 05:00:13 PM  
The entire gun debate is meant to fleece suckers.
 
2014-04-09 05:00:41 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The entire gun debate is meant to fleece suckers.


Care to elaborate?
 
2014-04-09 05:00:48 PM  
Hmm

I guess the AP definition of assault rifles did not match up with the MW definition, which was contradicted in the same entry, of assault rifle.
 
2014-04-09 05:01:05 PM  

BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.


I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.
 
2014-04-09 05:01:27 PM  

Geotpf: You know the real reason a lot of liberals hate and fear guns?  Because a lot of them have close friends or relatives who were killed with one.  A gun to somebody living in an urban area (IE, likely a liberal) is the thing a drug dealer shot a six year old with, not a tool for hunting or target practice, like it is to somebody living in a rural area (IE, likely a conservative).

I'll give you a very specific example.

Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot.  She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.

Of course, Harvey Milk was shot by an ex-cop with his former service revolver, so basically no gun control law could have ever prevented his murder (other than banning all guns by all private citizens).


So why does she feel that it's OK for just her to carry a gun, then? Besides, I watched my mother get beaten to death when I was 5, you don't see me advocating for the outlawing of work boots, do you?
 
2014-04-09 05:02:10 PM  

CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.


So the associate property doesn't work for stupidity?
 
2014-04-09 05:05:41 PM  
This is an assault GUN

olive-drab.com
 
2014-04-09 05:05:58 PM  

CynicalLA: I own a couple guns and always skip your posts.  You are the biggest gun nut on this site and have no credibility.


Actually Dittybopper is quite accurate in his statistics.  Here's some open-source gun data for you to peruse at your leisure.
 
2014-04-09 05:06:29 PM  

CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.


But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.
 
2014-04-09 05:07:01 PM  

ultraholland: gravy chugging cretin.: Are you intimidated yet?

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

of the patriotic gimp? Slightly.


That's only reasonable. How many flavors of prime rubber-room candidacy does it take to parade around in public carrying a chrome-plated commie AK variant while dressed up in a masked US flag costume?
 
2014-04-09 05:07:40 PM  

rwhamann: The difference between the barrel shroud and a folding stock is not minutiae.


The best part, "the shoulder thing that goes up" isn't even talking about folding stocks.  It's even more obscure than that.  On old rifles such as the original M-14 and the M1918A1 BAR, the butt plate was hinged to swing up.  When these rifles were fired on automatic they tended to have tremendous rise and the hinged butt plate would be swung up and placed on top of the shoulder. to help counter the muzzle climb.

It's an extra-ordinarily obscure firearms part and would be particularly useless on a semi-automatic firearm.... so,of course it must be banned!
 
2014-04-09 05:07:54 PM  
CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.
 
2014-04-09 05:08:01 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.


Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.
 
2014-04-09 05:08:41 PM  

redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.

Your issue is with English speakers, Merriam-Webster and the OED. Not me. YOU are the one redefining words. You don't get to just pick definitions of words just because you like them.

Even if common usage has muddled up the dictionary entry, the manufacturers and users (ie militaries, gun smiths, et al) of the world use the same definition that Ditty posted. I'd be very impressed if you could come up with a production model rifle with those characteristics that wasn't referred to specifically as an assault rifle (or battle rifle). Complicating that is that the most popular semi-auto rifle in the US was initially a military design that was reworked specifically for civilians, so it even fails your definition there.

The ATF doesn't use the term assault rifle either. To them it's either a machine gun, a destructive device, or a normal firearm (shotgun, rifle, pistol). The ATF considers an AR-15 just a rifle. It considers an M-16 a machine gun. There's not really a way to reconcile the difference between the two if you want to class the weapons together in any meaningful way according to US law. A journalist writing about weapons like an AR-15 and calling them "assault rifles" is miserably failing AP style for these reasons, and mass media is where the redefinition is primarily being pushed from.


The whole assault weapons ban is a non sequitur in my opinion.  What we really need is strict criminal background checks, waiting periods, licensing and removing loopholes due to private party sales. This inconveniences hunters, sporters, paranoid homeowners etc. but in the end law abiding citizens should still be able to get and use the firearms they want.

Then we need to educate people about giving said guns to their mentally ill children/friends/lovers.
 
2014-04-09 05:09:13 PM  
Glad there was a  'libertator ' pic there.  I remember as a kid, seeing a couple at gun shows. Lord knows where the old guy got them. One still had most of the bedraggled cardboard box it came in. That wad about 40 or so years ago.
 I wonder why most hobbyists, like I alluded to earlier, Built composite weapons? I mean, the materials are cheap enough, you don't really need much in the way of tooling to make one, so why not? Unless the machismo of open carry somehowmakes you feel like more of a person. Sure, I have guns, doesn't mean I have to wear them like a prosthetic peener everywhere I go.
 
2014-04-09 05:09:22 PM  

steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.


I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.
 
2014-04-09 05:09:48 PM  

Mikey1969: Geotpf: You know the real reason a lot of liberals hate and fear guns?  Because a lot of them have close friends or relatives who were killed with one.  A gun to somebody living in an urban area (IE, likely a liberal) is the thing a drug dealer shot a six year old with, not a tool for hunting or target practice, like it is to somebody living in a rural area (IE, likely a conservative).

I'll give you a very specific example.

Do you know why Diane Feinstein is so anti-gun?

Because she is the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body, moments after he was shot.  She checked his pulse, got his blood on her clothes.

Of course, Harvey Milk was shot by an ex-cop with his former service revolver, so basically no gun control law could have ever prevented his murder (other than banning all guns by all private citizens).

So why does she feel that it's OK for just her to carry a gun, then? Besides, I watched my mother get beaten to death when I was 5, you don't see me advocating for the outlawing of work boots, do you?


I'm sure her thinking is that she is a high profile elected official who might be a target of an assassination attempt.  You know, like Harvey Milk was.

Of course, on the flip side, the shooter, in addition to being an ex-cop, was also a (former) high profile elected official as well.
 
2014-04-09 05:10:26 PM  

CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.


If crime is that low, why ban guns to lower crime?
 
2014-04-09 05:11:10 PM  

CynicalLA: R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: drew46n2: CynicalLA: drew46n2: Can we at least agree on the open-carry attention whores? I mean, I think they're hurting the pro-gun proliferators, not helping.

[img.fark.net image 500x333]

Cowards that like to intimidate people.

Funny, on their Facebook page they refer to anti-gunners as "bullies."

You two are intimidated by them?  Sounds like you're the cowards.

What?  The pussy is the one that has to wear a gun everywhere.  Stop projecting.

You're terrified of a bunch of pussies.  Oh scary!  Stop projecting.

You don't make any sense and are obviously mentally challenged.  It's no wonder why you are a gun nut.

I'm saying that you are intimidated of a group of people you label as pussies.  You sound mental.  It's no wonder you're a gun grabber.

A pussy with a gun is not good for anyone.  You are not too bright.

Is this what you have? An angry bit of running around shouting "Pussy pussy pussy!"? No wonder you are anti gun, you're a raging danger to anyone around you.

People that carry all the time are definitely pussies.  They live in fear.


Just like you, it's a never ending cycle.
 
2014-04-09 05:11:30 PM  

CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.


Or when dozens of 6-year-old kids get shot and there's no one around that can do anything about it.
 
2014-04-09 05:11:32 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.


Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.
 
2014-04-09 05:11:51 PM  

mcmnky: Buying a new gun or rifle is sorta like getting a puppy from the mall pet store: if you do either, you probably aren't qualified to own a firearm / dog.

Even a moderately cared-for firearm will last decades. There are so many second hand firearms for sale, like dogs at the pound.

Unless it's for a gift or ceremonial purpose, buying new is for suckers.


Ah No; please post photo of your Flintstones Foot-mobile! Would love to see your Alexander Graham Bell, hand crank phone box; next to your wood fired Ben Franklin Stove! Oh wait, hard to scan image of your non-new goods with glass plate Mathew Brady~esque wooden box camera.

Many new firearms are made with different/ increased safety features, made out of new materials; and shoot new calibers of ammunition. Plus, new innovations in bolt technology to include Kriss Vector design, FN P-90 carbine, or even Glock Striker fire design...

Please sit down, thank you for playing, there are some nice party gifts for you as you leave to go back to your basement.
 
2014-04-09 05:12:02 PM  

BgJonson79: CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.

If crime is that low, why ban guns to lower crime?


The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.
 
2014-04-09 05:13:02 PM  

CynicalLA: I'm sure you cowards are all set to save the day when your fantasy retard home invasion happens, nuts.


FTFY

Wouldn't want to break your stride, would we?
 
2014-04-09 05:13:16 PM  

BgJonson79: The cops are cowards?


For the most part, yes, but their job requires them to be armed.

BgJonson79: Marines in Afghanistan are cowards?


No. Then, again, unlike Afghanistan, CONUS is not an active combat zone.
 
2014-04-09 05:13:22 PM  

violentsalvation: I'll never sell my ghost gun though.


I never noticed before.. that rifle has no sights.
 
2014-04-09 05:13:22 PM  

R.A.Danny: CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.

Or when dozens of 6-year-old kids get shot and there's no one around that can do anything about it.


Cite your source?
 
2014-04-09 05:13:39 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.

Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.


Projection once again.  I'm sure it make sense in your head.
 
2014-04-09 05:13:58 PM  

CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.

If crime is that low, why ban guns to lower crime?

The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.


Aren't there several respectable links above me to direct President Obama quotes on the subject?
 
2014-04-09 05:14:31 PM  

dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

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/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.


Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...
 
2014-04-09 05:15:09 PM  

BgJonson79: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.

If crime is that low, why ban guns to lower crime?

The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.

Aren't there several respectable links above me to direct President Obama quotes on the subject?


So Obama wants to ban guns?
 
2014-04-09 05:15:10 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: BgJonson79: The cops are cowards?

For the most part, yes, but their job requires them to be armed.

BgJonson79: Marines in Afghanistan are cowards?

No. Then, again, unlike Afghanistan, CONUS is not an active combat zone.


But he said people, with no qualifiers.  Maybe he should be more specific.

Do you support disarming the police?
 
2014-04-09 05:16:16 PM  

CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: steve42: CynicalLA: gun nuts, cowards, retards, pu**ies, nuts...

Don't strain your vocabulary too much, now.

After all, if the only home defense you have is your rapier wit, you might need to conserve ammo.

I'm sure you are all set to save the day when your fantasy home invasion happens.

If crime is that low, why ban guns to lower crime?

The only people talking about banning guns are idiot gun nuts.  You guys are delusional.  It's like you are fighting your own paranoia.

Aren't there several respectable links above me to direct President Obama quotes on the subject?

So Obama wants to ban guns?


He wants to re-up the assault weapons ban.  Isn't that the definition of banning guns?
 
2014-04-09 05:17:00 PM  

CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.

Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.

Projection once again.  I'm sure it make sense in your head.


You're getting boring, why don't you mix it up a little?

Projection!  Squawk!  Projection!
 
2014-04-09 05:17:09 PM  

Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...


This is the silver lining.  It makes me happy to think that some fat old white dude is wasting all his money stocking up on ammo.
 
2014-04-09 05:17:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Ban != confiscation. Assault weapons != all firearms

And you wonder why we call you gun  nuts


Oh really?
 
2014-04-09 05:18:37 PM  

dittybopper: This text is now purple: Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-103hr3355enr/pdf/BILLS-103hr3355e nr .pdf

Pages 202 and 203.

OK, let's look at that:


The point was to provide the legal definition of "assault weapons" as defined by the 1994 statute that first defined the term. Thus to short-circuit Duke's semantic biatching.
 
2014-04-09 05:19:41 PM  

Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: BgJonson79: CynicalLA: Farker Soze: CynicalLA: People that carry all the time are definitely pussies. They live in fear.

And like I've been saying, you're scared of them.  What level of pussy does that put you at?  Afraid of the fearful.  Sad, really.

You can't even think for yourself.  You really are a stupid person.

I guess that means everyone in the House of Reps is stupid, since their job is to listen and vote for their constituents' best interests.

I was talking about Farker Soz,  The guy is obviously retarded.  He just repeats your argument back to you and calls himself winner.

But I am the winner.  You are a far greater pussy than they are, because by your own admittance you are scared of pussies.  There is no denying this.

Yep, you are a real winner for totally not understanding what I was saying.

Everyone understands what you are saying, coward.  Thank you for the acknowledgment of victory though.

Projection once again.  I'm sure it make sense in your head.

You're getting boring, why don't you mix it up a little?

Projection!  Squawk!  Projection!


You don't even have an argument except saying thing I did except turning it around.  I never use ignore but you are getting annoying.
 
2014-04-09 05:21:09 PM  

Mikey1969: dittybopper: Carn: Does banning them say he's going to come to your house and take them away?  Or might they perhaps have to do something like allow existing ones and ban new purchases, since it's absolutely unfeasible to go house to house so Mr. Obama can rip them from your hands?  If you start off viewing him as the devil, there's no other way to look at anything.

Actually, I view him as the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry in my nearly 50 years of life.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x400]

/Haven't bought a gun since before the turn of the century.
//Sold a couple since then, though.

Not to gun owners though. Nobody can find ammo, and guns cost twice as much as they used to. These paranoid freaks are pissing me off. I got lucky and bought ammo for my SKS right before the first wave of "Obama's coming!" paranoia, and managed to find .45 ammo right before he got elected again, and people pulled out the fainting couches for the second time. Otherwise, I'd be totally screwed...


One reason gun prices might still be high in the retail stores is the dealers sold off inventory and had to replace it with the distributors astronomically-marked-up inventory.  What I have been noticing over the last few months is that wholesale dealers are almost pre-scare levels on their pricing now.  I have an e-mail from one distributor advertising the Colt line at $549.00 per rifle, and another with the whole-kit-minus-lower for $350.00.
 
2014-04-09 05:22:00 PM  

lamric: CynicalLA: I own a couple guns and always skip your posts.  You are the biggest gun nut on this site and have no credibility.

Actually Dittybopper is quite accurate in his statistics.  Here's some open-source gun data for you to peruse at your leisure.


Accurate or not, there's also the issue of paranoia...

I used to enjoy the gun threads here. But for the last couple of years now, they've become shameless circle-jerks slanted towards one side or the other, with more dick references than a Robert Schimmel comedy special (and yes, I'm aware that I've probably just did the same thing), and the paranoia has gone to plaid. To hear the usual posters in these threads tell it, I'm either a complete monster for just knowing what I do about guns - not even owning any; I don't - or I'm damn near a traitor for thinking that perhaps 100-round C-mags aren't really something that needs to be available to civilians. No middle ground.