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2014-04-09 01:50:22 PM
Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.
 
2014-04-09 01:50:50 PM
A guy at my local food co-op told me that people are modifying automatic AR-47 assault rifles so they can shoot two 40-caliper clips of hollow-point shotgun shells at the same time.

Do we, as a people, really need weapons that are this needlessly destructive?
 
2014-04-09 01:51:26 PM
ooh, but at least you got your "man card" reissue for the penii-impaired
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 01:52:23 PM
And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 01:52:58 PM
The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.
 
2014-04-09 01:58:45 PM

James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.


my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke
 
2014-04-09 02:02:17 PM

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke


Did he then try to sell you a gun?

"You better buy this pop gun, Uncle Herring.  Obama's going to ban them pretty soon!  Only $500!"
 
2014-04-09 02:02:33 PM

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke



Did you tell him that "gullible" was being taken out of the dictionary?
 
2014-04-09 02:10:39 PM

SilentStrider: Did you tell him that "gullible" was being taken out of the dictionary?


I would have tried to sell him an over-priced gun.
 
2014-04-09 02:11:49 PM

Jackson Herring: James!: The gun market is probably the most easily manipulated market ever.

my ten year old cousin told me the other day that obama is going take away all my guns

this is not a joke


I know. I bought twenty because Obama had veal last night. I only paid 150% of retail, so I got an awesome deal.
 
2014-04-09 02:13:21 PM
You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.
 
2014-04-09 02:14:44 PM
My wife told me I seemed to love my guns more than my family. I told her that wasn't true. Little Timmy isn't going to college because it is full of liberals, not because I cashed out the college fund to buy another AR-15.
 
2014-04-09 02:15:30 PM

dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.


Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
 
2014-04-09 02:16:16 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.


Obama had Beef Wellington for dinner last Tuesday. They came and took a whole pile of guns after that.

Now tell me it's a joke.
 
2014-04-09 02:16:48 PM
Dictionary.reference.com:

assault rifle
noun1.
a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, ut i lizing an intermediate-powercartridge.
2.
a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually m o dified to allow onlysemiautomatic fire.
 
2014-04-09 02:17:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.
 
2014-04-09 02:17:47 PM
Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.
 
2014-04-09 02:18:35 PM

James!: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.


You're right. I'm actually about to go outside - it's a beautiful day.
 
2014-04-09 02:18:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You mean gun nuts are gullible morons? I have to sit down for this.


You mean they actually believed politicians who said they were going to try and ban assault weapons?  Why, the *FOOLS*!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/obama-gun-violence-task-for ce _n_2331238.html
WASHINGTON - Declaring the time for action overdue, President Barack Obama promised on Wednesday to send Congress broad proposals in January for tightening gun laws and curbing violence after last week's schoolhouse massacre in Connecticut.

Even before those proposals are drafted, Obama pressed lawmakers to reinstate a ban on military-style assault weapons, close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.


Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.
 
2014-04-09 02:21:13 PM

dittybopper: Even before those proposals are drafted, Obama pressed lawmakers to reinstate a ban on military-style assault weapons, close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks and restrict high-capacity ammunition clips.

Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.


What does that have to do with gullible morons buying assault weapons at 150% markup?
 
2014-04-09 02:21:52 PM
I mean, it's not as if they're a necessity. These people are just paying out the ass for a toy because they don't want daddy to take it away from them.
 
2014-04-09 02:22:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.


So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.
 
2014-04-09 02:23:51 PM

dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.


No you don't. English-speakers do. Too bad. You were wrong, just be a man and admit it.
 
2014-04-09 02:26:09 PM
Because "close loopholes that allow gun buyers to skirt background checks"

Is bad?
 
2014-04-09 02:26:12 PM

James!: Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.


Rule #4, it's one of their most powerful tricks to making you think they have a point

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 02:26:23 PM

dittybopper: gun owners must have been *STUPID*


Yep. Glad you admit it.
 
2014-04-09 02:27:05 PM

drew46n2: James!: Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.

Rule #4, it's one of their most powerful tricks to making you think they have a point

[img.fark.net image 850x929]


If that's one of their most powerful tricks, they are incredibly dumb.
 
2014-04-09 02:29:03 PM

cameroncrazy1984: If that's one of their most powerful tricks, they are incredibly dumb.



yet you will see entire threads of debate about because someone said "clip" instead of "magazine."

Heads. Up. Their. Asses.
 
2014-04-09 02:29:49 PM

drew46n2: And if you REALLY need to over-compensate,


[img.fark.net image 582x426]


You know this guy is packing a monster hog.

www.recoilweb.com
 
2014-04-09 02:31:59 PM

James!: cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: Actually, any assault rifle is going to net you a nice tidy profit if you hold on to it for a while, because they are by definition NFA items, and the supply was frozen by the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act.  Any assault rifle that wasn't registered with the ATF by the cut-off in 1986 is illegal to own.

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

An assault rifle is a select-fire (semi and full automatic) carbine with a removable magazine firing an intermediate cartridge that is more powerful than a handgun cartridge but less powerful than a full sized rifle cartridge.

Really? Because, uh, by definition you are wrong:

Merriam-Webster:

assault rifle
 noun

:any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Don't waste your time getting into a semantic argument over gun words.


It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.
 
2014-04-09 02:32:03 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dittybopper: cameroncrazy1984: Turns out,  dittybopper, that words actually mean things outside the gun-nut lexicon.

So a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up?  And we should ban ghost gun .30 round assault clips that can fire 30 caliber bullets in half a second?

Words have meaning.  Gun-nuts invented those words.  We get to decide what they mean.

No you don't. English-speakers do. Too bad. You were wrong, just be a man and admit it.


OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.

Or I can call my mountain bike a motorcycle?

Or I can call my Persian cats Pugs?

You don't get to redefine technical definitions.  If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.

...

Oh, wait, that's what your point is, right?   Just like Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center said back in 1988:

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.

You're trying to redefine "assault rifle" to cover both in order to confuse the issue, so that it's easier to get people agree to banning what they think are machine guns, but which actually operate quite differently.

Duly noted.
 
2014-04-09 02:32:49 PM
Sold one. I don't think it's been used to kill any children yet.
 
2014-04-09 02:38:38 PM

dittybopper: If you do, those technical definitions lose all meaning.


It already has.
 
2014-04-09 02:44:45 PM
Someone with a number of modern sporting rifles could have made quite a bit of money selling them off since Black Oblacka took office and started scaring the sh*t out of gun owners.  If they haven't sold theirs, especially after all the hot air about Newtown and Aurora I'd say they're pretty foolish.  Sure, keep one because even though they're totally the same as a traditional, wooden-stock semi-auto, they are cool and those accessory rails are like swiss army knives in their potential.  But why not sell the rest and buy a hunting cabin share with the profits?
 
2014-04-09 02:44:57 PM

Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.


*YES*.

SO VERY MUCH FARKING *THIS*.

The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.  This is perfectly encapsulated by Carolyn McCarthy whose signature issue was gun control (her husband was killed, and son wounded, in the Long Island Railroad massacre), who, when pressed about an assault weapons ban she introduced into Congress, couldn't define what a "barrel shroud" was, despite it being in the bill that she introduced, and ended up mistakenly calling it the "shoulder thing that goes up".

She literally didn't know the difference between a piece of sheet metal that surrounds the barrel of a gun, and a folding stock.

BTW, I don't know why it's OK to have a piece of walnut surrounding a barrel, but not a piece of steel.  Doesn't seem to be a rational difference to me, but then, I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to firearms.
 
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2014-04-09 02:47:39 PM

dittybopper: Duly noted.


Dude, the guy's just trolling you.  Ignore the ignorant.
 
2014-04-09 02:54:40 PM

dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.



again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.
 
2014-04-09 02:55:32 PM

Actual Farking: It will never happen, but I think the gun debate would be advanced massively if everyone could have a list of agreed upon nomenclature to work from.


Just look what it did for the long-haul trucking industry:

runningheavy.com
 
2014-04-09 02:55:49 PM
Heh, salty seaman.
 
2014-04-09 02:56:58 PM

factoryconnection: Someone with a number of modern sporting rifles could have made quite a bit of money selling them off since Black Oblacka took office and started scaring the sh*t out of gun owners.  If they haven't sold theirs, especially after all the hot air about Newtown and Aurora I'd say they're pretty foolish.  Sure, keep one because even though they're totally the same as a traditional, wooden-stock semi-auto, they are cool and those accessory rails are like swiss army knives in their potential.  But why not sell the rest and buy a hunting cabin share with the profits?


Or, you could sell them all, and just make new ones out of plastic.

No, seriously:

www.rainierarms.com

Just drill out the holes on your drill press, and assemble the gun.

Of course, if you're more handy than that, you could always build an AK out of a shiat-shovel.  Or an AR-15 lower out of hardwood. (guy used pine, which is soft, and it broke, but hardwood like brazilian walnut would probably work fine).
 
2014-04-09 02:57:20 PM

dittybopper: Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.


It took an ungodly amount of work to slightly improve our horrible healthcare situation, but yeah, sure...Obama totally would have been able to pass a new assault-weapons ban through Congress. Ayup.
 
2014-04-09 03:00:13 PM

drew46n2: dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.


again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.


Oh, you mean like this?

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.
 
2014-04-09 03:01:09 PM

dittybopper: No, seriously:


You for some reason think that this surprises me or that I don't know it.  But most gun owners are not gun smiths or even proficient with machine tools, so unless that was the case I left in the "keep one" caveat.
 
2014-04-09 03:04:43 PM

Lando Lincoln: dittybopper: Really, I mean, gun owners must have been *STUPID* to take Obama at his word.

It took an ungodly amount of work to slightly improve our horrible healthcare situation, but yeah, sure...Obama totally would have been able to pass a new assault-weapons ban through Congress. Ayup.


So people should have just ignored him, because they should have known he wouldn't be able to get anything passed in Congress?

Listen, I need some stock tips.  Because you are apparently able to see into the future, unlike the rest of us, give me a few tips.  I'm not greedy, I just want some new ham radio equipment.  I've been using a radio manufactured in the 1970's for the last 24 years, and I'd like something newer.
 
2014-04-09 03:04:57 PM

dittybopper: drew46n2: dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.


again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

Oh, you mean like this?

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.


again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.
 
2014-04-09 03:07:42 PM

drew46n2: dittybopper: drew46n2: dittybopper: The problem is that the people who hate guns the most know absolutely nothing about them.


again, rule #4. Dismiss valid criticism of gun violence and lax gun laws because the person doesn't have an obsession with the intricacies of firearms that enthusiasts do.

You can ignore the pile of bodies because someone said clip instead of mag, or auto instead of semi. Deflect and Deny, classic.

Oh, you mean like this?

The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.

again, here you are trying to engage in a pedantic "debate" that really has zero relevance to the issue of gun violence. I know you'd rather talk about how assault rifles differ from "sporting" or "assault style" rifles because that DEFLECTS attention away from that pile of dead 6-year-olds in Connecticut.


The dead 6-year-olds are completely irrelevant. What number off your bumper sticker written by someone else does that fall under?
 
2014-04-09 03:09:46 PM

dittybopper: OK, so I can call the manual transmission in my car an automatic?  That's *EXACTLY* what you are saying here.


Assault rifle means it's

1) for assault
2) a rifle

See Uzi.
 
2014-04-09 03:13:39 PM

dittybopper: factoryconnection: Someone with a number of modern sporting rifles could have made quite a bit of money selling them off since Black Oblacka took office and started scaring the sh*t out of gun owners.  If they haven't sold theirs, especially after all the hot air about Newtown and Aurora I'd say they're pretty foolish.  Sure, keep one because even though they're totally the same as a traditional, wooden-stock semi-auto, they are cool and those accessory rails are like swiss army knives in their potential.  But why not sell the rest and buy a hunting cabin share with the profits?

Or, you could sell them all, and just make new ones out of plastic.

No, seriously:

[www.rainierarms.com image 640x480]

Just drill out the holes on your drill press, and assemble the gun.

Of course, if you're more handy than that, you could always build an AK out of a shiat-shovel.  Or an AR-15 lower out of hardwood. (guy used pine, which is soft, and it broke, but hardwood like brazilian walnut would probably work fine).


I like my firearms to have less chance of being all explodey in my hands.
 
2014-04-09 03:14:04 PM

R.A.Danny: The dead 6-year-olds are completely irrelevant



Of course they are. When talking about guns and violence it's important to disregard those who have been shot. The REAL victims are the backyard commandos who's ability to shoot watermelons apart on weekends is being threatened!
 
2014-04-09 03:14:15 PM
dittybopper:

Unless, of course, subby means "assault weapons", which is a nebulous category that seems to basically mean "scary looking guns".  They are not the same thing as "assault rifles", which are by definition machine guns.

Subby here.  I contemplated using "clips" just to see if you'd have a seizure.
 
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