nekom: Now they're saying 7 victims sent to hospitals and the suspect in custody is a male student.
kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.
TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo. Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.
CanisNoir: Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed? So it was a high-capacity knife?No, a high-capacity knife would have jammed causing far fewer casualties, he was using the approved limited-capacity knife.
kronicfeld: The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.
topcon: Violent crime has been dropping since the early 90's. That includes guns, knives, sporks, and everything else.
Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed? So it was a high-capacity knife?
Revek: TommyJReed: This is a call to arms, we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives. there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them. everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives. Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..meh
naughtyrev: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo. Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.
vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.
Hal5423: HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!Dammit!! I was about 200+ comments too late to make this exact joke!
syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.
Lord Farkwad: Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed? So it was a high-capacity knife?[img.fark.net image 540x540]
naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.
stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!! Ban schools!!!
Johnny Texas: ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people. The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.
Xcott: Naesen: My favorite quote from this whole scenario was "20 children were wounded with four flown out by helicopter, but none with life threatening injuries." This was from WTOP. How stupid do you think your readership is? You don't stick a kid on a helicopter because he broke a bone, got stabbed but not too bad, or given themselves a mild concussion. You stick em on a helicopter when a local hospital is incapable of proper treatment and that the kid will most likely die by the time a ground transport gets them to the hospital that can.Where I live, we have three hospitals in a 10-minute drive, one just a few blocks from our house. But the nearest pediatric ICU is in a hospital 90 minutes away. If there's any reason a kid needs to go to the ICU, it's an automatic helicopter ride.
Callous: neversubmit: Callous: Damn Wolf Blitzer says some really stupid things.He is almost as stupid as Donald Trump. He actually asked a doctor he was interviewing if the stab wounds to the chest were considered more serious than a stab wound "to the right hand or left hand". The doctor was on via phone and I swear he fought back laughing at him.
probesport: Bullseyed: That isn't how it works in real life.[fc09.deviantart.net image 640x288]
thefatbasturd: Baz744: thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.Wall of anti-gun rhetoric, opinion about correlation between pro-mental health beliefs and pro-gun control beliefs stated as fact, and personal attacks. Yep. You are not part of the problem at ALL.You act like there is absolutely no gun control already. T ...
Ned Stark: Mrtraveler01: Ned Stark: The Bestest: AngryDragon: I don't really consider "panic prone, fumble-fingered coward" to be countering an argument, but OK. Thanks for proving my point though.Wasn't referring to that (or any particular argument) specifically. I was commenting on the trend I see in every. gun. thread and on every talk show when guns come up.The average "vigilant defender of the 2nd Amendment" has the optics of a paranoid loon, even if they start out with saying something rational. I'm not at all saying they ARE paranoid loons, but yeah, that's the perception.The gun nut set is not all or even majority paranoid loon, but almost all paranoid loons are, by their nature, going to be gun nuts.Such cases.Doesn't help that the most vocal ones are the paranoid ones.Oh? We seem to have pretty decisively won the issue. It certainly hasn't hurt.
NightOwl2255: Kit Fister: some people will use any excuse to argue for banning guns, I guess.Comparing all people that believe in sensible gun control to the few that actually want to ban guns is like comparing all Christians to members of the WBC.
d23: bongmiester: TheShavingofOccam123: devilEther: This is a false flag operation by the NRA.I don't think so. I think this is a real knife attack and the NRA just dodged a bullet.Wait, wut?countdown to the NRA claiming that this could have been prevented if teachers and students were packing heat ...I love how the exact same group of people biatch about teachers being "overpaid," and yet they want them to carry and they want them to add yet another high-paying skill to their resume. At some point any good teachers you have left become brain surgeons or rocket scientists because that's the level you have to be in order to do the job well.
Kit Fister: LasersHurt: Kit Fister: some people will use any excuse to argue for banning guns, I guess.Are you high? The thread is like 85% arguing AGAINST banning guns, pre-emptively.No, I just read the first page and a bunch of reddit posts and got so frustrated with people getting a hardon about it that i commented before thinking.
brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.Kid with a gun = 20 dead kidsRight, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.Guns = killmachines. No wounding shots, ever. Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet./pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded//unless that was a troll///in which case, well done.
TNel: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.Kid with a gun = 20 dead kidsSo a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.
Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids
FullMetalPanda: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.Knife stab wounds tend to be lethal while shootings are survivable depending on the ammo, shot placement.
drew46n2: Makes perfect sense![img.fark.net image 540x327]
Nix Nightbird: Facetious_Speciest: Nix NightbirdHere's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker.I would also very much prefer to be attacked with a naginata than a firearm. That being said, don't be surprised if you get 21' ruled.I can also RUN AWAY from a guy with a naginata. He would have to run to catch me and kill me. The guy with a gun can stand there and pick me off.Again, I'd prefer mass attackers to be armed with melee weapons. Most definitely.
AngryPanda: Alright, I'm calling a moratorium on the "let's ban assault ____" jokes on this thread. It stopped being funny 7 3/4 pages ago.
bigsteve3OOO: Things that I dont like I want the government to ban.Things I do like I want the government to require.because I love freedom. This is why I vote democrat.
NightOwl2255: brokendownyota: Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.Yet at Sandy Hook, there were next to no wounded people, they all died. A drive by spraying 9mm bullets at people 50 feet away is not the same as getting shot by a .223 in the head or chest from a few feet away.
The Bestest: probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?There are reports of up to 11 people dead.source?
dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?
TwoHead: A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.
FnkyTwn: You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.
FullMetalPanda: I'm not going to let you damn knife grabbers take away my knives!!! I just bought the 126 knife set from the home shopping network!!! For 49.95 plus shipping! Take that knife grabbers!
TNel: Glitchwerks: Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies. You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff. Just seems stupid. They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead. Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.I never get that. All they need is a long branch and then sharpen it. You are then 6 feet from them instead of being 2 inches.
TNel: TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.And you only need 70% of them right to pass btw.
HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!
TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.
AngryDragon: But the guns are the problem.
d23: Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.
d23: GIS[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 271x186]I love the Internet. I want to marry the Internet.carry on.
ultraholland: I think we're all entitled to a detailed explanation of Obama's whereabouts during this attack.
ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?
HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.Starts drinking before 10AM.~FinSo a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?
sammyk: syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.That is the first intelligent thing anyone has said in this thread.Good day to you sir.
HMS_Blinkin: naughtyrev: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo. Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.Fark that, I saw we need silo-based ICBMs. Think about how long it takes to build those things, and how difficult they are to maintain properly! Sure, you could use one, but it'd take you so long to reload that bystanders would definitely jump you before you detonated the second nuclear weapon.
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