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(WPXI.com)   Reports that 20 students have been hurt after multiple stabbings at Franklin Regional High School near Pittsburgh   (wpxi.com) divider line 119
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2014-04-09 09:49:06 AM  
10 votes:
It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.
2014-04-09 09:45:39 AM  
10 votes:
Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids
2014-04-09 08:07:25 AM  
7 votes:
If the guards and teachers in the school of this had the gun this would have had the ending in mere seconds so the argument of you has invalidity.
2014-04-09 01:08:10 PM  
6 votes:
When I was bouncing, the thing we were most worried about were knives. Guns in crowded spaces is bad news, no question, but knives turn my stomach to watery queasiness instantly. In the hands of even someone with no skills, they can do a fair amount of damage, fair quickly, and training for disarms is messy--no, really, the training leaves your hands, arms, legs, and chest with all sorts of ink marks, or welts from the dummy blades--and in the hands of someone who does have skill, they are absolutely terrifying.

Knives are quiet, they don't need to reload, and in the hands of someone with skill, a knife is deadly and fast. There's a reason that police are trained to NOT go for their guns when faced with an assailant with a blade if they're under 21 feet. Because in the time it takes to draw and fire, a person with a knife will be on you and cutting things, or putting sharp steel in places that just aren't designed to accommodate. A drawn gun, versus knife? That's a whole different question, but if you happen upon someone with a blade, and you are close, it's a bad situation. And knives are sneaky like that in that they can be hidden damn quickly.

We trained to deal with knives, and it's absolutely no fun.

That aside: this particular debate again comes down to addressing NOT the tools used, because any tool can be used as a weapon if you hold it right. The question is: why are folks turning to violence? And with frequency.

It's not about gun control. Gun control is a false debate. It's a bait and switch, because what BOTH sides really are talking about is safety. No gun control measure is going to do a damn bit of good, unless we talk about the reasons that folks turn to violence in the first place. Japan, the UK, they didn't cut out murder, they just changed the tools used in the commission of the crime--and in Japan, they skew their statistics a bit since they classify a LOT of their cases as "missing persons" as opposed to homicide investigations, which has prompted a lot of the organized criminals to disappear their victims into foundations, out to sea, or other creative methods to just make the bodies disappear so that the police aren't shamed with having all those murder investigations open. That doesn't address the real question: why are folks turning to violence?

We want to cut down on violence, we need to address hard questions. Mental health, economic and social mobility--which happens to fit into questions in our justice system as well, as folks without much hope economically, they tend to take chances to get ahead if they don't have many other options--and questions of education, which likewise fit into those issues of economic and social mobility. These aren't as easy to answer as "strap on and get some." These aren't as easy as "take all the dangerous stuff away and people won't have anything to use against one another." Those are both NOT solutions to the real issue. The real issue is why are folks turning to violence in the first place. Until we address issues of mental health, social and criminal justice, and economic reasons for turning to crime--and seeing crime as a viable option when faced with economic disparity--we aren't going to do much to really address violent crime. We can just talk about flavors of violence.

Until we, as a nation, take a hard look at why so many of our citizens feel that violence IS a viable option, then we're not really going to make any headway. Don't get me wrong: keeping weapons out of the hands of folks who are not well mentally isn't a bad idea. Actually getting these folks substantive help, and not stigmatizing them for looking for help in the first place is a better solution in the long run. Outlawing weapons in public, mandating folk have weapons, these aren't real solutions, until we look at what is causing folks to turn on one another, and actually do something to address these issues, we're just going to keep having problems with violence, and none of the "common sense" solutions are going to do a damn thing until we deal with the underlying causes.
2014-04-09 08:40:53 AM  
6 votes:
This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..
2014-04-09 09:59:25 AM  
5 votes:
Some kid hurts inside so much he takes a knife to school and stabs 20 people. These 20 people, who were just going to school on a normal spring day, are now being treated for serious knife wounds. But who cares, let's all jerk off about guns.
2014-04-09 09:48:41 AM  
5 votes:

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?
2014-04-09 08:12:22 AM  
5 votes:
I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 10:07:01 AM  
4 votes:

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


the Right is working on that...

//trollerific
2014-04-09 09:54:50 AM  
4 votes:
Looks like someone didn't have access to guns.
2014-04-09 09:44:04 AM  
4 votes:
Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 08:31:36 AM  
4 votes:
And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.
2014-04-09 01:19:23 PM  
3 votes:

thefatbasturd: Baz744: thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.

Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.

No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.

Wall of anti-gun rhetoric, opinion about correlation between pro-mental health beliefs and pro-gun control beliefs stated as fact, and personal attacks. Yep. You are not part of the problem at ALL.

You act like there is absolutely no gun control already. T ...


Funny, you don't hear about people getting mowed down with Thompsons anymore in this country. Or blown up with grenades. Or about mortar attacks against churches (granted, you have to go back a ways to find that one, and that one was actually a militia). Remember the roaring 20's and the days of prohibition? Those days weren't a joke, nor were they misrepresented in the history books.

Funny how after the NFA was passed....you started seeing stories about Chicago typewriters being used to clear a speakeasy disappear. All of a sudden the tools of overwhelming force preferred by gangland thugs were a huge liability. They could still get them, they weren't banned. But now they could be tracked back to them.

Gun control DOES work. So long as it's control. Case in point? From the passage of the NFA to the passage of FOPA in 1986 (which effectively relegated select fire weapons to luxuries) you can find 2, count them, 2 instances of NFA controlled weapons being used in crimes. Both of those crimes don't really count because they were committed by LEOs and to this day LEOs still have access to weapons banned under FOPA.

So, to that end, you have no farking idea what you're talking about.
2014-04-09 12:58:46 PM  
3 votes:

Deece: I'm bookmarking this thread to refer to anytime I start to think that I miss fark, and forget how derpy it's become.


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2014-04-09 10:00:53 AM  
3 votes:

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/20/chicago-shooting s -back-of-the-yards/2841251/">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio n/2013/09/20/chicago-shootings -back-of-the-yards/2841251/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/ i ndex.html">http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-stat e-shooting/i ndex.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-shooting-at-innocent-pe o ple_n_2638701.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-sho oting-at-innocent-peo ple_n_2638701.html

So in these 3 articles (the first that came up on my search), we have 31 people shot, 3 deaths.

Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.
2014-04-09 09:52:40 AM  
3 votes:
Figured the farkwit anti gun people would jump all over a story that's not even about farking guns.

Get the fark over it. Guns are here to stay.

/does not own a gun
//not one that is safe to shoot, that is
2014-04-09 09:44:27 AM  
3 votes:
I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.
2014-04-09 08:28:34 AM  
3 votes:

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.
2014-04-09 01:40:13 PM  
2 votes:

iq_in_binary: thefatbasturd: Baz744: thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.

Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.

No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.

Wall of anti-gun rhetoric, opinion about correlation between pro-mental health beliefs and pro-gun control beliefs stated as fact, and personal attacks. Yep. You are not part of the problem at ALL.

You act like there is absolutely no gun cont ...


 NFA was enacted June 26th 1934
Prohibition ended December 5th 1933

Which one do you think had more impact on ending those gang wars?
2014-04-09 01:31:37 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I don't think the status quo is working. Therefore I think some reforms need to be made. It would ne nice to discuss this like mature adults and try to find a middle ground everyone can be happy with. Instead we get the "gun grabber" BS.



If somebody thinks that banning "assault weapons" and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is the way to go, then they have earned the "gun grabber" title.
2014-04-09 12:43:49 PM  
2 votes:

TNel: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.

Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.


So your level of expertise is what, comic books?

That isn't how it works in real life.
2014-04-09 12:39:41 PM  
2 votes:

FullMetalPanda: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.

Knife stab wounds tend to be lethal while shootings are survivable depending on the ammo, shot placement.


This is a leftist nutjob thread about guns. Facts aren't allowed here.
2014-04-09 11:23:52 AM  
2 votes:

thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.


Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.


No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.
2014-04-09 11:15:38 AM  
2 votes:

Magorn: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies


Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.

Go back to spreading your idiotic tripe this way, and MAYBE you would have an argument.

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2014-04-09 11:05:29 AM  
2 votes:

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Please elaborate on your FASCINATING theory of how vital organs are knife proof?

Gun, knife, it doesn't matter. Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem. The answer isn't "OMG! A GUN!!!!!" It should be "What can we do to identify these people and get them help before they ever get to the point that these assaults seem like a viable option no matter WHAT weapon is used."
2014-04-09 11:03:18 AM  
2 votes:
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2014-04-09 10:52:05 AM  
2 votes:
I'm glad it was a knife and not a gun. I'm glad that meant there's only one kid needing surgery and nearly two dozen wounded, instead of a few dead kids and fewer walking away wounded.
2014-04-09 10:26:56 AM  
2 votes:

BravadoGT: Knives require you to get too close.  I rely on a boar spear!

[www.trueswords.com image 500x500]


Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies.  You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff.  Just seems stupid.  They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead.  Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.
2014-04-09 10:10:31 AM  
2 votes:
edge.liveleak.com

Britain welcomes the US to non-gun related violence. We are all hooligans now.
2014-04-09 10:09:36 AM  
2 votes:

TNel: mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/

"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.


"Just over three quarters (77.9 percent) of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, and just under a quarter (22.1 percent) suffered stab wounds."

I see cheyypicking is your forte.
2014-04-09 10:09:10 AM  
2 votes:
I hope they bulldoze this school then build a new one in the same spot. Also bulldoze the house of the person who did this.

/this is how people in the US think (in CT anyway)
2014-04-09 10:03:53 AM  
2 votes:

TNel: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.

Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.


Not exactly. Accidental knife wounds yes. Deliberate stabbings tend to be more of a victim gets gutted situation.
2014-04-09 09:59:58 AM  
2 votes:

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Actually, That doesn't hold true. Survivability rates are usually equal. With an advantage going to the survival of gunshot victims in severe cases.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/


10 years ago it was a greater divide. 70% gunshot survival compared to 30% stabbing survival.
2014-04-09 09:54:57 AM  
2 votes:

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids



Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.
2014-04-09 09:54:12 AM  
2 votes:

syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.


That is the first intelligent thing anyone has said in this thread.

Good day to you sir.
2014-04-09 09:54:00 AM  
2 votes:

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?
2014-04-09 09:48:04 AM  
2 votes:
Is this an April thing? 8 months in school and the kids crack. Imagine year round schooling. Unable to get away from your bullies and jocks.

/my last bully was a vice principal
2014-04-09 09:43:41 AM  
2 votes:
They should have had a zero tolerance for knives in the school... that should have kept it from happening.
2014-04-09 09:19:13 AM  
2 votes:

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.
2014-04-09 09:10:36 AM  
2 votes:

kronicfeld: The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.


That would teach them self sufficiency as well. They wouldn't need the free school lunch.
2014-04-09 08:59:04 AM  
2 votes:
The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.
2014-04-09 10:23:24 PM  
1 votes:
I fully expected this thread to be filled with gun nuts jizzing themselves and making sarcastic comments about banning "assault knives" or whatever, but it makes me pretty sad that the top comments are not more supportive for the students who were injured in what must have been a terrifying attack.
2014-04-09 04:16:03 PM  
1 votes:
I started teaching the year that Columbine happened.  Over the years this sort of story has become the new normal.  But I do find a number of things that are critical in our understanding of why this happens:

1.  They typically happen in the Spring...why?  Perhaps because people have had a year of being fed up and people are tired.

2.  It is typically the case that the individual was, in some way, marginalized if not bullied.  In some cases it seems that the perpetrator is autism spectrum, in other cases they are nerdy, but in any event...the bottom line is parents and schools are still not doing enough to stop the culture of bullying.

One might suggest that they've always had bullying.  My counter would be that it was not as pervasive given social media, people didn't have access to weapons that they do today, and we now have twenty years of incidents that those students can look at that says "when you've had enough...grab a knife, machete, gun, or all the above and start taking people out."

The discussion about the weapon is meaningless.  In the culture that we presently enjoy, when people are pushed to this extreme, they will do something to lash out.
2014-04-09 02:36:04 PM  
1 votes:

GnomePaladin: Wow, two decidedly non-liberal farkers on board with true universal healthcare.  I'm starting to think the Democrats are framing this issue all wrong.


that's entirely the problem. Healthcare in this country is, to many people, considered a service, like getting an oil change or having your house painted. It's neither a necessary service, nor essential to many people. "I only need a doctor if I have a problem, therefore I should only have to pay for the services I use for myself." I wouldn't pay for another man's oil change, and in this way, I take a dim view of demanding the state to pay for it.  Health Insurance, then, is merely a service provided optionally to offset the costs of paying for a doctor's services by paying a fixed monthly fee against the future need to draw against it.

It's like car insurance: many people view it as a nice-to-have policy that reimburses if you happen to fark up your car, and not a necessity. Thus, framing it and because it is viewed that way, people don't like being told they have to buy it, as well as being told to pay for it for other people.

Turn it around and reframe the issue such that you change the perception from a "pay-for-service" item to a "necessary component of life", and such make it into a public service that people see as a basic necessity like education and municipal roadwork, the attitude will change to see it as a civil function, and people will demand it be provided by the government.

The only problem with that is the accompanying perception of doctors and medical systems being akin to various mechanics shops: Some are better than others, and by virtue of having the choice of who to go to and being able to pay the person that does the best job for the work, you ensure better care than you get from the lowest-cost hack willing to do government work. I mean, look at public defenders. You get a basic attorney who is overworked, underpaid, unable to hire the necessary resources or provide more than barely-adequate legal protection. That's the perception you need to combat, and that perception is reinforced every time articles come out of countries who have socialized medical systems suffering budget shortages resulting in delinquent care. Doesn't matter if it's entirely representative or not, if that's what you see, that's what you're going to believe.

Long story short: You want universal healthcare to be accepted, get the public to accept it as a basic civil service like the police, army, fire, whatever and not as a pay-by-incident service like cable TV or the auto mechanic.
2014-04-09 02:27:39 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: GnomePaladin: Wow, two decidedly non-liberal farkers on board with true universal healthcare.

You don't mean me, do you?

I'm starting to think the Democrats are framing this issue all wrong.

Or that perhaps the multimillionaire "Democratic" legislators in Congress who make tons of money off investments in, say, insurance companies, might have an ulterior motive in advancing a health care bill that requires every person in America to purchase a product from those insurance companies, and includes a profit cap that is actually  double what the annual profit of those companies had previously been?


Holy shiat theets stop sounding sensible you're giving me the jitters here.
2014-04-09 02:26:02 PM  
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hubiestubert: When I was bouncing, the thing we were most worried about were knives. Guns in crowded spaces is bad news, no question, but knives turn my stomach to watery queasiness instantly. In the hands of even someone with no skills, they can do a fair amount of damage, fair quickly, and training for disarms is messy--no, really, the training leaves your hands, arms, legs, and chest with all sorts of ink marks, or welts from the dummy blades--and in the hands of someone who does have skill, they are absolutely terrifying.

Knives are quiet, they don't need to reload, and in the hands of someone with skill, a knife is deadly and fast. There's a reason that police are trained to NOT go for their guns when faced with an assailant with a blade if they're under 21 feet. Because in the time it takes to draw and fire, a person with a knife will be on you and cutting things, or putting sharp steel in places that just aren't designed to accommodate. A drawn gun, versus knife? That's a whole different question, but if you happen upon someone with a blade, and you are close, it's a bad situation. And knives are sneaky like that in that they can be hidden damn quickly.

We trained to deal with knives, and it's absolutely no fun.

That aside: this particular debate again comes down to addressing NOT the tools used, because any tool can be used as a weapon if you hold it right. The question is: why are folks turning to violence? And with frequency.

It's not about gun control. Gun control is a false debate. It's a bait and switch, because what BOTH sides really are talking about is safety. No gun control measure is going to do a damn bit of good, unless we talk about the reasons that folks turn to violence in the first place. Japan, the UK, they didn't cut out murder, they just changed the tools used in the commission of the crime--and in Japan, they skew their statistics a bit since they classify a LOT of their cases as "missing persons" as opposed to homicide investigations, which has pr...


Word.
2014-04-09 02:21:26 PM  
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Theaetetus: Plus, it requires that the person either (i) is seeking treatment  and the mental health professional has determined that they're an imminent threat to themselves or others that requires breaching confidentiality; or (ii) has already done something pretty violent and been arrested or committed.
It's certainly not proactive in any sense.


This is why you are farkied as "circle jerking moron." Doctors can't remove any constitutional right. That takes judicial review. We went through this whole thing during the Zimmerman debate, yet you are still spouting the same nonsense.
2014-04-09 01:52:51 PM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Weatherkiss: How about instead of going after tools used for attacking other human beings, we go after the motives human beings have to want to make them want to hurt other people to begin with?

No?

Okay, carry on.

That would be too hard! It's easier to just keep nerfing the world and hope people stop hurting people as badly!


Im sorry. I couldn't hear you guys over the sound of state mental health budgets being cut.

Im sure you guys will be protesting these cuts right?
2014-04-09 01:51:10 PM  
1 votes:
And the American Mental Health Crisis continues....
2014-04-09 01:44:23 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Lol, that's where you're gonna go with this eh..

Can always count on fark people to go full retard.
2014-04-09 01:38:02 PM  
1 votes:

TheYeti: farkette716: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

I think everyone is lonely and technology has made us this way. People are meaner to each other and don't care about others. Most people just try to dominate conversations and bring people down a notch.

Could be.  I agree that the isolation and the relative anonymity of the internet might have something to do with it, but I really have no idea.

Something has fundamentally changed in past couple of decades and it scares the shiat out of me.


We stopped locking up people that we knew were crazy, because they have rights too. The streets are full of them.

The other thing we stopped doing was giving a shiat about our children in an attempt to be their friends.
2014-04-09 01:06:12 PM  
1 votes:

Ned Stark: Mrtraveler01: Ned Stark: The Bestest: AngryDragon: I don't really consider "panic prone, fumble-fingered coward" to be countering an argument, but OK.  Thanks for proving my point though.

Wasn't referring to that (or any particular argument) specifically. I was commenting on the trend I see in every. gun. thread and on every talk show when guns come up.

The average "vigilant defender of the 2nd Amendment" has the optics of a paranoid loon, even if they start out with saying something rational. I'm not at all saying they ARE paranoid loons, but yeah, that's the perception.

The gun nut set is not all or even majority paranoid loon, but almost all paranoid loons are, by their nature, going to be gun nuts.

Such cases.

Doesn't help that the most vocal ones are the paranoid ones.

Oh? We seem to have pretty decisively won the issue. It certainly hasn't hurt.


Nah, Congress is just spineless when it comes to dealing with the NRA.
2014-04-09 12:58:29 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Kit Fister: some people will use any excuse to argue for banning guns, I guess.

Comparing all people that believe in sensible gun control to the few that actually want to ban guns is like comparing all Christians to members of the WBC.


Bolded is the official position of the Democrat party, CNN and MSNBC, so...
2014-04-09 12:55:22 PM  
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d23: bongmiester: TheShavingofOccam123: devilEther: This is a false flag operation by the NRA.

I don't think so. I think this is a real knife attack and the NRA just dodged a bullet.

Wait, wut?

countdown to the NRA claiming that this could have been prevented if teachers and students were packing heat ...

I love how the exact same group of people biatch about teachers being "overpaid," and yet they want them to carry and they want them to add yet another high-paying skill to their resume.  At some point any good teachers you have left become brain surgeons or rocket scientists because that's the level you have to be in order to do the job well.


When I was in elementary school, there was a science teacher (not just a regular teacher) who said that CD players work by vibrating the CD and those vibrations travel down the cord to your headphones and that is how you hear the sound.

The fact that we let morons be teachers is the problem. Basically everyone who fails out of their theater/English/history/etc degree becomes a teacher.
2014-04-09 12:51:27 PM  
1 votes:

The Bestest: AngryDragon: I don't really consider "panic prone, fumble-fingered coward" to be countering an argument, but OK.  Thanks for proving my point though.

Wasn't referring to that (or any particular argument) specifically. I was commenting on the trend I see in every. gun. thread and on every talk show when guns come up.

The average "vigilant defender of the 2nd Amendment" has the optics of a paranoid loon, even if they start out with saying something rational. I'm not at all saying they ARE paranoid loons, but yeah, that's the perception.


Pretty much why I can't stand them.
2014-04-09 12:45:27 PM  
1 votes:

brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.


Would have been with you in this, but there is zero correlation between video games and violence, so you can go fark yourself.
2014-04-09 12:44:15 PM  
1 votes:

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


The vast majority of shooting sprees have 1 or 0 fatalities, and the '1' is usually the shooter.  People aren't  that easy to kill, man.  Hospitalization is the bulk of the damage in the vast majority of attempted mass murders.

The first world does have an issue with aggravated violence, but it's a matter of crime-related violence and targeted murders of passion... while they're not unknown, spree killings really aren't a significant enough issue that we can or even should make large systemic changes to try to suppress them.
2014-04-09 12:41:26 PM  
1 votes:

Mobutu: Even a 1" blade can kill. Or a spoon.



A spoon?
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2014-04-09 12:41:12 PM  
1 votes:

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


I guess the doctors at the hospital are just lying about the conditions of the injured then? I'm sure you know better than they do. I mean, you read about it on the internet. That totally trumps firsthand knowledge and a medical degree.
2014-04-09 12:38:28 PM  
1 votes:
My favorite quote from this whole scenario was "20 children were wounded with four flown out by helicopter, but none with life threatening injuries." This was from WTOP. How stupid do you think your readership is? You don't stick a kid on a helicopter because he broke a bone, got stabbed but not too bad, or given themselves a mild concussion. You stick em on a helicopter when a local hospital is incapable of proper treatment and that the kid will most likely die by the time a ground transport gets them to the hospital that can. That, by definition, is an exceptionally life threatening injury.

farking doublespeak.
2014-04-09 12:38:21 PM  
1 votes:
some people will use any excuse to argue for banning guns, I guess.
2014-04-09 12:37:38 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Knives aren't designed to kill people?

Guess you don't get history class until what, the 7th grade?
2014-04-09 12:19:04 PM  
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Johnny Texas: I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.



Hardly ridiculous and you're using a distorted comparison in order to support your own beliefs.  The recent shooting at Fort Hood resulted in 3 dead and 16 wounded.  The victims were, to one degree or another, trained in how to respond to 1) an armed gunman and 2) followed proper protocols in response to the shooting.  One would expect that, of all possible victims, active duty soldiers wound be the most likely to rapidly and properly respond to a mass shooting.  As a result, the fact that there were fewer deaths (or a higher ratio of killed to wounded) is a perfectly reasonable result.

Even so, that's not always the case.  For instance, look at the Washington Navy Yard shooting.  In that case, the shooter killed 11 and wounded 8.  Most of the wounds were shots to the head at close range (but not hand-to-hand range) which accounts for the very high ratio of killed to wounded.

Then there's the 2009 Fort Hood shooting.  Of 214 rounds fired there were 13 fatalities and 29 wounded.  So he wasn't as accurate or efficient as the shooter at the recent Fort Hood shooting but it shows that lack of ability or efficiency with a weapon can be overcome by plentiful ammunition.  In terms of burden though, the difference between 80 rounds of .223 and 240 rounds of .223 is only a few pounds...which isn't an insurmountable burden for any shooter.

However, the proper comparison that should be drawn in this case, if one were interested in accuracy, would be between this case and other school shootings.  The Sandy Hook shooting is a recent and apt example given the proximity between victims and perpetrator.  At Sandy Hook, the shooter Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 at extremely close range and only left 2 wounded.

Therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume that the perpetrator of this incident, if armed with firearms, would have killed far more people than he did given how the situation played out.
2014-04-09 12:12:58 PM  
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2014-04-09 12:12:46 PM  
1 votes:

kronicfeld: The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.


doctorhavok.files.wordpress.com
/garbage-day!
2014-04-09 12:12:33 PM  
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: [static.fjcdn.com image 467x624]


I get the point, but I'm pretty sure a store in England wouldn't be selling things in dollars and cents...
2014-04-09 12:11:14 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-04-09 12:10:14 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure the school will be on edge the rest of the day.
2014-04-09 12:08:25 PM  
1 votes:

drew46n2: Makes perfect sense!

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You're forgetting the part in the middle where there are coultures chock full of blades and no stabbings, slashings, etc in the school.

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Weapons aren't the cause of the problem, they're just there. If they weren't it would be something else, like bombs or gasoline.
2014-04-09 12:06:34 PM  
1 votes:
Well, since neither knives or firearms are automated or self aware, the obvious answer is to ban all people. People are the root cause.
2014-04-09 11:41:29 AM  
1 votes:
Let's be sure to focus the discussion on what type of weapon he had, rather than on his lack of psychiatric help.
2014-04-09 11:37:12 AM  
1 votes:

EdNortonsTwin: If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

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God these are a stupid idea.

They can't get a biometric sensor to unlock a phone or laptop reliably in one try if you're lying comfortably in bed.  I'm going to rely on a fingerprint reader on a firearm in a self-defense situation where adrenaline has shot my fine motor skills?

What retards come up with these ideas?
2014-04-09 11:36:05 AM  
1 votes:
6 P.M News: 'murica is a fading Democratic Republic. the wealthy/big business has all but taken over its government, leaving the bottom ~98% without a voice in their Government. Violence is increasing across the Land.

Tune in to our 11 P.M. broadcast for explanations..............
2014-04-09 11:34:15 AM  
1 votes:
One saving grace in all this is that Pittsburgh has no shortage of excellent hospitals.  The victims are in the very best of hands.
2014-04-09 11:25:19 AM  
1 votes:
Publikwerks

They also intended the second amendment to apply only on the federal level. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that it also applied to states.

Largely unimportant in practice, as most state constitutions also affirm a right to bear arms. Further, we have a general understanding in this country that limits placed on the federal government can't be contradicted by state governments, i.e., Utah can't declare that the official and compulsory religion of Utah is Mormonism, because the supreme law of the land (that government can't force religious affiliation, in this case) trumps that.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
2014-04-09 11:23:45 AM  
1 votes:

Lord_Baull: I see it's been covered, but the whole argument that "people would kill with a knife if they didn't have a gun" just went to total shiat.


It's always been shiat, though.
2014-04-09 11:13:10 AM  
1 votes:

Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.


Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?
2014-04-09 11:08:14 AM  
1 votes:

FnkyTwn: You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.


Oh yeah? Well how about financial impact, eh??? Let's consider that, shall we?

Death by gun: $10,000 funeral
Injury by knife: $375,000 hospital costs

Hmm... you may have a point after all.
2014-04-09 11:07:20 AM  
1 votes:
If he had one of these, this never would have happened....img.fark.net
2014-04-09 11:05:15 AM  
1 votes:

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies
2014-04-09 10:56:56 AM  
1 votes:
See! Gun control works! Instead of crazed schizophrenics running through schools shooting people, we have crazed schizophrenics running through schools stabbing people! Check and mate gun nuts!
2014-04-09 10:56:52 AM  
1 votes:
Guys we should be more like the UK
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2014-04-09 10:54:21 AM  
1 votes:

TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.


It took me more than a minute, because I didn't believe there wasn't a trick question in there. I'm thinking, no way it's THIS easy.
2014-04-09 10:49:28 AM  
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TNel: Glitchwerks: Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies. You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff. Just seems stupid. They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead. Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.

I never get that.  All they need is a long branch and then sharpen it.  You are then 6 feet from them instead of being 2 inches.


Hell, why do they never wear armor? EVERYONE wears protection in the modern world for everything all the time. Butchers have chain gloves, cyclists have helmets, welders have masks. You'd think if they ran serious risk of being eaten, they'd all dress like it with durable, bite proof clothing.

The whole idea of a zombie apocalypse is silly. The original night of the living dead was just that: a single night. After that, Fayette County's indigenous hoopies struck back all the way to the Primantti's dahtahn with beer and deer rifles.
2014-04-09 10:39:01 AM  
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d23: wgb423: The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.

Oh come on.  The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


They don't like Mondays either.
2014-04-09 10:38:06 AM  
1 votes:

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


Because it's too soon to discuss measures that need to be taken. From all of the ("isolated") shootings that have occurred, it's become obvious that after a shooting, it's too soon to talk about what needs to be done until the next shooting, when it's both too late and too soon.
Or, because the same gun-huggers who say it's a mental health issue will move heavens and earth to make sure fewer people have access to have said mental health evaluated.
Or, maybe just because it's pointless to argue with unreasonable people who don't have the maturity to see facts for what they are, and are relying on their prejudices and fears to guide them.
2014-04-09 10:36:31 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


And what were knives designed "specifically" for? Killing, gutting and skinning animals. Interesting.
2014-04-09 10:34:42 AM  
1 votes:
Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.
2014-04-09 10:32:28 AM  
1 votes:

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


I think everyone is lonely and technology has made us this way. People are meaner to each other and don't care about others. Most people just try to dominate conversations and bring people down a notch.
2014-04-09 10:31:06 AM  
1 votes:

FnkyTwn: brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.

It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!


Actually, I think a lot of the gun crowd,at least me personally, had the point of this....

Guns are not directly the issue, the issue at hand is mental illness. You can ban guns, taking them away from hundreds of thousands of people who use them responsibly every year to stop the 1% (or less) of mentally ill people from using them in a crime, but facts are fact. They are simply going to find another means to commit the crime. It's not going to stop the violence, crazy is crazy and until you solve the main issue, banning things is simply a band-aid.
2014-04-09 10:28:22 AM  
1 votes:

topcon: Violent crime has been dropping since the early 90's.  That includes guns, knives, sporks, and everything else.


media.steampowered.com
2014-04-09 10:26:24 AM  
1 votes:

skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


If you work for a place that wouldn't let you go pick up your kid after someone went running through the halls stabbing other students, maybe you need to work for a better place? It would in no way be a "disruption" to me, and my job and my wife's job would let us go in a moment's notice.

Either you don't know what having kids is all about, or you need to burn down the place that you work.

www.centerforworklife.com

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2014-04-09 10:22:54 AM  
1 votes:
In order for someone to stab that many people, there was some serious anger issues.   Knives are much more personal than guns.  I hope everyone lives.
2014-04-09 10:20:29 AM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: But the guns are the problem.


Guns aren't the problem.
People with guns are the problem.
We just need to make sure that people don't have guns.
2014-04-09 10:18:16 AM  
1 votes:

d23: Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


Spiked wine and a boar?

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then there are the young whippersnappers:
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But really when I dismissed the idea of a woman doing it, it wasn't because the weapon was a knife. If it was a woman and the weapon was a knife one person will have been attacked and they'd be dead.
2014-04-09 10:16:32 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-04-09 10:16:24 AM  
1 votes:

skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


Maybe these people, unlike yourself, wouldn't find it too inconvenient to go and take care of their child after a traumatic event like this.  But then again those people aren't self absorbed turds that have no idea of what real parenting is.
2014-04-09 10:15:42 AM  
1 votes:
Last line of the CNN article:

"CNN first learned of the stabbings on Twitter. "
2014-04-09 10:15:24 AM  
1 votes:

skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


This is likely because kids being let of school early will often not return home immediately and they don't want a bunch of panicky parents thinking their kid is among the wounded if they are not.
2014-04-09 10:13:57 AM  
1 votes:
Same Franklin?
img4.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-04-09 10:13:55 AM  
1 votes:
I wonder if they made fun of him constantly because his parents were too poor to even afford a gun.
2014-04-09 10:12:37 AM  
1 votes:
If only the other students had knives, and all the teachers had knives, this would never have happened.

Replace "knives" with "guns" in the sentence above to see what gun nuts actually believe. It's fun!
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 10:10:00 AM  
1 votes:
You know what the one unifying factor is... mental health.

But since health care itself is a subject that cause us in the U.S. to have a sudden massive loss of IQ points, it's kind of hard to talk about when coupled with discussions with sensible weapons regulation.

We're screwed.  We're screwed massively.
2014-04-09 10:08:45 AM  
1 votes:
It's threads like these that underscore the fact that currently, the most divisive thing has become our political affiliations. Moreso than gender, ethnicity, or religion.

So carry on prattling over who is right and keep pushing America closer to the brink.

'In all things, moderation.' - Some smart guy.
2014-04-09 10:08:30 AM  
1 votes:

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


LOL. I always thought schools were like minimum-security prison, with graduation a form of release.
2014-04-09 10:05:52 AM  
1 votes:
The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!
2014-04-09 10:05:09 AM  
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Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.



OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.
2014-04-09 10:04:32 AM  
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TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


No, it is never the person, always the weapon.

We should really make the people who sell knives and the parents who let their children have access to knives civily liable for these sorts of indicidents.
2014-04-09 10:04:30 AM  
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mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/


"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.
2014-04-09 10:03:26 AM  
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Just for the record of this the administrator who provided the greening of the story changed the headline of this which was at first the trollifically ridiculous heading about how OM MAGOODNESS KNIVES ARE SO AS DANGEROUS AS THE GUNS because that is what people who have the brain disease have belief of.
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2014-04-09 10:02:23 AM  
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wgb423: The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.


Oh come on.  The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.
2014-04-09 09:57:52 AM  
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ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.
2014-04-09 09:53:38 AM  
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Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.

Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.
2014-04-09 09:52:47 AM  
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This is a false flag operation by the NRA.
2014-04-09 09:52:01 AM  
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Hey! That headline isn't funny.
2014-04-09 09:50:31 AM  
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Obviously if he had been armed with a gun the death toll certainly would have been considerably higher.
2014-04-09 09:44:00 AM  
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vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.

Knife stab wounds tend to be lethal while shootings are survivable depending on the ammo, shot placement.
2014-04-09 08:50:37 AM  
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And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!
2014-04-09 08:26:22 AM  
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This means Lanza's attack didn't really matter.
 
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