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2014-04-09 12:04:59 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Facetious_Speciest: Nix Nightbird

Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker.

I would also very much prefer to be attacked with a naginata than a firearm. That being said, don't be surprised if you get 21' ruled.

I can also RUN AWAY from a guy with a naginata. He would have to run to catch me and kill me. The guy with a gun can stand there and pick me off.

Again, I'd prefer mass attackers to be armed with melee weapons. Most definitely.


Well fortunately I have pumped-up kicks so I can run, run faster than his bullets
 
2014-04-09 12:05:17 PM  
The only solution to this is to secure all schools with fences or walls, government approved back scatter machines and the TSA guarding the entrance. That will stop mass knife attacks.
 
2014-04-09 12:06:34 PM  
Well, since neither knives or firearms are automated or self aware, the obvious answer is to ban all people. People are the root cause.
 
2014-04-09 12:07:05 PM  
They deserved to get stabbed.
They wouldn't stop singing "Rains of Castamere."
 
2014-04-09 12:08:25 PM  

drew46n2: Makes perfect sense!

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You're forgetting the part in the middle where there are coultures chock full of blades and no stabbings, slashings, etc in the school.

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Weapons aren't the cause of the problem, they're just there. If they weren't it would be something else, like bombs or gasoline.
 
2014-04-09 12:08:27 PM  

tripleseven: NutWrench: That knife probably had a camo-colored blade and a rubberized grip. That's the real problem.
We need to ban "assault" knives with scarey attachments.

Well...you're probably one of the derpers who believe that unless you can identify the worlds arsenal, you shouldn't have an opinion on gun control. That about right?


Allow me to counter: unless you have a good command of the English language, you don't get to have any opinions.



And unless you have a good command of sarcasm, you're not allowed to post on Fark.
 
2014-04-09 12:08:37 PM  
I just came in to celebrate the fact these students were not wounded by a gun!

Wheeeeeeeeeee!!1!
 
2014-04-09 12:09:33 PM  

doglover: A 6" knife is like a .22 revolver or very powerful pellet gun. A deer rifle is more akin to a glaive.


That's not a glaive.

wherebadmovieslive.files.wordpress.com

THIS IS A GLAIVE

/love that awful movie
 
2014-04-09 12:10:14 PM  
I'm sure the school will be on edge the rest of the day.
 
2014-04-09 12:11:14 PM  
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2014-04-09 12:11:17 PM  

AngryDragon: EdNortonsTwin: If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

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God these are a stupid idea.

They can't get a biometric sensor to unlock a phone or laptop reliably in one try if you're lying comfortably in bed.  I'm going to rely on a fingerprint reader on a firearm in a self-defense situation where adrenaline has shot my fine motor skills?

What retards come up with these ideas?


The conditioning and training neccessary to manage these tools and weapons aren't for everyone - especially panic prone, fumble fingered cowards.
 
2014-04-09 12:11:19 PM  

fireclown: What a MANS Glaive might look like.


I shake my tiny fist composed of glaives at you.
 
2014-04-09 12:11:55 PM  
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2014-04-09 12:12:33 PM  

Frank N Stein: [static.fjcdn.com image 467x624]


I get the point, but I'm pretty sure a store in England wouldn't be selling things in dollars and cents...
 
2014-04-09 12:12:46 PM  

kronicfeld: The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.


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/garbage-day!
 
2014-04-09 12:12:50 PM  

Somacandra: doglover: A 6" knife is like a .22 revolver or very powerful pellet gun. A deer rifle is more akin to a glaive.

That's not a glaive.

[wherebadmovieslive.files.wordpress.com image 289x400]

THIS IS A GLAIVE

/love that awful movie


www.giggaheim.com
 
2014-04-09 12:12:58 PM  
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2014-04-09 12:14:16 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: [img2.wikia.nocookie.net image 510x546]


Worst FF in the series.
 
2014-04-09 12:14:45 PM  

RedRudy: I'm sure the school will be on edge the rest of the day.


Cutting to the quick aren't you?
 
2014-04-09 12:15:23 PM  
Wait till someone just waits for the school bus to arrive and then hops on with one of these.

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2014-04-09 12:15:30 PM  

probesport: RedRudy: I'm sure the school will be on edge the rest of the day.

Cutting to the quick aren't you?


That comment pierces him to the heart.
 
2014-04-09 12:16:55 PM  

devilEther: This is a false flag operation by the NRA.


I don't think so. I think this is a real knife attack and the NRA just dodged a bullet.

Wait, wut?
 
2014-04-09 12:18:45 PM  
These knives were made by companies trying to make as much money as possible selling weapons.  This must stop.
 
2014-04-09 12:18:57 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: devilEther: This is a false flag operation by the NRA.

I don't think so. I think this is a real knife attack and the NRA just dodged a bullet.

Wait, wut?


countdown to the NRA claiming that this could have been prevented if teachers and students were packing heat ...
 
2014-04-09 12:18:59 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: devilEther: This is a false flag operation by the NRA.

I don't think so. I think this is a real knife attack and the NRA just dodged a bullet.

Wait, wut?


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"Jesus... how many Irish gangs are there?"
 
2014-04-09 12:19:04 PM  

Johnny Texas: I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.



Hardly ridiculous and you're using a distorted comparison in order to support your own beliefs.  The recent shooting at Fort Hood resulted in 3 dead and 16 wounded.  The victims were, to one degree or another, trained in how to respond to 1) an armed gunman and 2) followed proper protocols in response to the shooting.  One would expect that, of all possible victims, active duty soldiers wound be the most likely to rapidly and properly respond to a mass shooting.  As a result, the fact that there were fewer deaths (or a higher ratio of killed to wounded) is a perfectly reasonable result.

Even so, that's not always the case.  For instance, look at the Washington Navy Yard shooting.  In that case, the shooter killed 11 and wounded 8.  Most of the wounds were shots to the head at close range (but not hand-to-hand range) which accounts for the very high ratio of killed to wounded.

Then there's the 2009 Fort Hood shooting.  Of 214 rounds fired there were 13 fatalities and 29 wounded.  So he wasn't as accurate or efficient as the shooter at the recent Fort Hood shooting but it shows that lack of ability or efficiency with a weapon can be overcome by plentiful ammunition.  In terms of burden though, the difference between 80 rounds of .223 and 240 rounds of .223 is only a few pounds...which isn't an insurmountable burden for any shooter.

However, the proper comparison that should be drawn in this case, if one were interested in accuracy, would be between this case and other school shootings.  The Sandy Hook shooting is a recent and apt example given the proximity between victims and perpetrator.  At Sandy Hook, the shooter Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 at extremely close range and only left 2 wounded.

Therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume that the perpetrator of this incident, if armed with firearms, would have killed far more people than he did given how the situation played out.
 
2014-04-09 12:20:03 PM  

Magorn


Well fortunately I have pumped-up kicks so I can run, run faster than his bullets


It helps if your kick game is ridiculous.
 
2014-04-09 12:20:06 PM  
Nix Nightbird
Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker. Even if I have my own gun in a holster, it's unlikely I'll get it out in time to save my life, and EVEN IF I DO draw like lightning, if his bullets are in the air, I'm not blocking them or shooting them out of their direct line to my head with my gun.

Whereas I can block a naginata blow with a stack of books I'm carrying to class, or with any common object I pick up. I can even block it (painfully) with my forearm if I move in close enough. Since he's using a melee weapon, he has to get close to me (though not as close as with a hunting knife) and that gives me extra seconds, extra opportunities, extra chances to live AND take down my attacker.

So you ask about whether I'd prefer a guy firing .306 rounds at me from 50 yards away, or taking a swing at me with a naginata 6-9 feet away, I'll take the guy swinging an polearm over the guy with a gun any day.


Everything you have said is quite true; but  for me personally there is something scarier about being cut / stabbed than shot.  Not being an ITT or anything; but I've been in both situations before and while I wasn't happy I was being shot at; I didn't have the same primal fear ask when a guy went to stab me.  I don't freak out over blood and guts in general; so I don't think it's the whole "being cut" aspect of it; I think it's more the fact that even with a polearm or such your attacker is likely to be much closer to you.  It's more  personal; even if the attack itself is one of opportunity.

Semi-relevant CSB; long before I was in the military; I was an armed courier (Armored truck specifically); as part of our firearm certifications an instructor would demonstrate how quickly someone could be on top of you by standing about 20' away (which is what we were told is the typical range for a shooting).  The instructor would count down from 3 and then charge you; while you were supposed to draw your weapon (a rubber gun, for safety); and shout bang to signify you'd shot him.  Out of the 20 or so people in my class; only 2 or 3 managed a "bang" before the instructor had "stabbed" us with his fake knife; even though we knew  exactly what was going to happen.

/ Fortunately no-one has actually succeeded in putting a bullet or a blade in me.
// Hope that record lasts indefinitely.
 
2014-04-09 12:21:18 PM  

bongmiester: TheShavingofOccam123: devilEther: This is a false flag operation by the NRA.

I don't think so. I think this is a real knife attack and the NRA just dodged a bullet.

Wait, wut?

countdown to the NRA claiming that this could have been prevented if teachers and students were packing heat ...


I love how the exact same group of people biatch about teachers being "overpaid," and yet they want them to carry and they want them to add yet another high-paying skill to their resume.  At some point any good teachers you have left become brain surgeons or rocket scientists because that's the level you have to be in order to do the job well.
 
2014-04-09 12:21:18 PM  

probesport: 96% of "poor households" have access to a knife.



I bet they keep most of them near their refridgerators, too.
Lousy stabbing poors!
 
2014-04-09 12:21:41 PM  
Hey guys!

In before "gun owners are limp dicked cowards!"

EdNortonsTwin: The conditioning and training neccessary to manage these tools and weapons aren't for everyone - especially panic prone, fumble fingered cowards.


...dammit.
 
2014-04-09 12:22:40 PM  

Johnny Texas: ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?

I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


Define "trained soldier."  He was in school during the years he was enlisted and became a psychiatrist with his commission.  The guy was a major so he probably never actually qualified on a weapon since Basic Training. I've shot more rounds in one week than this guy did in his entire life.  I don't understand why people think that anyone wearing a uniform is a good shot.  Anyone that subscribes to this nonsense needs to spend a weekend watching a POG Reserve unit "qualify" on their assigned weapons.  Half the people in the Army can't zero an M4 without someone else holding their dick for them.  The MP 9mm course ends with five shots from seven meters away; people miss all five.  Most people suck at shooting.
 
2014-04-09 12:23:13 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Hey guys!

In before "gun owners are limp dicked cowards!"

EdNortonsTwin: The conditioning and training neccessary to manage these tools and weapons aren't for everyone - especially panic prone, fumble fingered cowards.

...dammit.


Man you couldn't even find a good example of being persecuted. Sad little man.
 
2014-04-09 12:24:01 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Hey guys!

In before "gun owners are limp dicked cowards!"

EdNortonsTwin: The conditioning and training neccessary to manage these tools and weapons aren't for everyone - especially panic prone, fumble fingered cowards.

...dammit.


Now to be fair, there was no mention about limp dicks.

/somethings you have to assume
/jk
 
2014-04-09 12:25:36 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: AngryDragon: EdNortonsTwin: If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

[www.wpw-lock.net image 555x741]

God these are a stupid idea.

They can't get a biometric sensor to unlock a phone or laptop reliably in one try if you're lying comfortably in bed.  I'm going to rely on a fingerprint reader on a firearm in a self-defense situation where adrenaline has shot my fine motor skills?

What retards come up with these ideas?

The conditioning and training neccessary to manage these tools and weapons aren't for everyone - especially panic prone, fumble fingered cowards.


Panic prone, fumbled fingered cowards.

Like police officers?
Survival Stress in Law Enforcement - Traverse City Police Department

Why are gun grabbers such dumbasses when it comes to statistics?
 
2014-04-09 12:26:23 PM  
This is Murrysville's 9/11.
 
2014-04-09 12:26:51 PM  

AngryDragon: Why are gun grabbers such dumbasses when it comes to statistics?



You made a great point... then you lost it.
 
2014-04-09 12:28:15 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Hey guys!

In before "gun owners are limp dicked cowards!"


No, we are reasonably certain that you are a limp dicked coward even if you don't own a gun.
 
2014-04-09 12:29:46 PM  

d23: AngryDragon: Why are gun grabbers such dumbasses when it comes to statistics?


You made a great point... then you lost it.


He used a pejorative? Here on fark? Oh my, oh dear whatever shall we do??
 
2014-04-09 12:30:37 PM  

d23: AngryDragon: Why are gun grabbers such dumbasses when it comes to statistics?


You made a great point... then you lost it.


There are two kinds of people.

Those that believe the populace should have unfettered access to all firearms, and there's gun grabbers.
 
2014-04-09 12:31:50 PM  

Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?


Yup, 10-inch Henckels with a banana-clip...

//rabble rabble "MAGAZINE!!1!"
 
2014-04-09 12:32:38 PM  

d23: AngryDragon: Why are gun grabbers such dumbasses when it comes to statistics?


You made a great point... then you lost it.


Two actually, I pointed out that the sympathetic nervous system biologically acts a specific way under stress and that this inevitable reaction makes fingerprint scanners on firearms useless.  Then when called out, I provided empirical evidence that this is the case for a group of "highly trained" individuals as well as the average citizen.

I'm not hearing anyone calling out the other guy for denying basic biology.  Know why pro-self-defense people are always defending themselves?  Because even when we make a logical supported argument, no one else does.  It get a bit frustrating.
 
2014-04-09 12:33:57 PM  
 
2014-04-09 12:36:50 PM  

AngryDragon: Know why pro-self-defense people are always defending themselves?  Because even when we make a logical supported argument, no one else does.  It get a bit frustrating.


.. or maybe because the moment anyone counters their arguments even the slightest bit, they yell "gun grabber!" and look paranoid to everyone else?
 
2014-04-09 12:37:24 PM  

TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..


Even a 1" blade can kill.  Or a spoon.

Clearly, we should ban all cutlery, and eat our food with our bare hands as God intented.
 
2014-04-09 12:37:38 PM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Knives aren't designed to kill people?

Guess you don't get history class until what, the 7th grade?
 
2014-04-09 12:37:38 PM  
FALSE FLAG... Where are the bodies in this stabbing?
 
2014-04-09 12:37:52 PM  

NightOwl2255: d23: AngryDragon: Why are gun grabbers such dumbasses when it comes to statistics?


You made a great point... then you lost it.

There are two kinds of people.

Those that believe the populace should have unfettered access to all firearms, and there's gun grabbers.


Now look. You can say what you will about the general populace but I'm not going to stand around while you bad mouth United States' hookers. They grab guns, they grab guns for a living, and based on my experience, they're pretty damn good gun grabbers.

/I think a few of them were good at it because they had access to the equipment 24 hours a day
 
2014-04-09 12:38:19 PM  

The Bestest: AngryDragon: Know why pro-self-defense people are always defending themselves?  Because even when we make a logical supported argument, no one else does.  It get a bit frustrating.

.. or maybe because the moment anyone counters their arguments even the slightest bit, they yell "gun grabber!" and look paranoid to everyone else?


I don't really consider "panic prone, fumble-fingered coward" to be countering an argument, but OK.  Thanks for proving my point though.
 
2014-04-09 12:38:21 PM  
some people will use any excuse to argue for banning guns, I guess.
 
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