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2014-04-09 11:19:58 AM

nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.


Yeah. I'd actually be more sympathetic to the pro gun cause if they weren't so Goddamn douchy about it.
 
2014-04-09 11:20:09 AM
What really sucks is that someone pulled the fire alarm... The press conference people haven't been able to verify who did it, but if it was the attacker, it's a nice way to get a crowd together, and if it was a student or faculty member trying to "clear" the school, let's just say that it is a nice way to get a crowd together. If someone pulled this, trying to help, and it turns out that the attacker was able to increase his victim pool by even one as a result, that person is going to carry that weight for a long time.
 
2014-04-09 11:20:30 AM

Cold_Sassy: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Guns also make a *really* loud noise, which helps to alert potential victims.


and they smell bad and make a mess
 
2014-04-09 11:21:22 AM
TwoHead: "A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo."

Which is why every responsible citizen eschews firearms in favor of a self-defense knife by their bed, and on their person, in case of a home invasion or Red Dawn.
 
2014-04-09 11:21:34 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.


Context requires objectivity.
 
2014-04-09 11:21:47 AM

TNel: MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)
 
If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsid ...


Well, except for the part that is different from state to state, and sometimes city to city, sure...
 
2014-04-09 11:22:11 AM

ringersol: TwoHead: "A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo."

Which is why every responsible citizen eschews firearms in favor of a self-defense knife by their bed, and on their person, in case of a home invasion or Red Dawn.


Or the King of England.
 
2014-04-09 11:22:33 AM

Publikwerks: ShadowKamui: The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is

That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies

Well, only if you stop considering dead and inured kids as the price of doing business.


What is an acceptable level? Let's be honest it isn't 0 or nearly every activity out there would be banned.
 
2014-04-09 11:22:33 AM

NutWrench: That knife probably had a camo-colored blade and a rubberized grip. That's the real problem.
We need to ban "assault" knives with scarey attachments.


Well...you're probably one of the derpers who believe that unless you can identify the worlds arsenal, you shouldn't have an opinion on gun control. That about right?


Allow me to counter: unless you have a good command of the English language, you don't get to have any opinions.


Scary.

Not scarey
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 11:22:42 AM

AngryDragon: Facetious_Speciest: Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.

Context requires objectivity.


Every principle adopted by the far Right is simply a means to promote the ends they want.  That's all.

//Democrats are not really any better...
 
2014-04-09 11:23:45 AM

Lord_Baull: I see it's been covered, but the whole argument that "people would kill with a knife if they didn't have a gun" just went to total shiat.


It's always been shiat, though.
 
2014-04-09 11:23:52 AM

thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.


Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.


No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.
 
2014-04-09 11:24:29 AM

doglover: tblax: Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.

Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?

Don't you get tired of ACTUAL politicians making the same stupid statements in earnest?

Read a damn history book. There's many good reasons the bill of rights was written the way it was that apply in every age of man. The factors leading to violent crimes are almost 100% socioeconomic and are almost always solved when those problems are addressed. Over legislation destroys societies. Every head of "draconian" law? Draconis was a real dude. Guess how well it worked out for him.


So that's a no, I guess?
 
2014-04-09 11:24:31 AM

TheMega: Ban knives, screwdrivers, any pieces of metal and wood that can be sharpened to a point, pencils and pens, nails, screws, so on and so forth, immediately!!!
Let's start a petition right now and see how far that goes....


Why?  No one died.  It's not like this was a gun attack.
 
2014-04-09 11:24:44 AM
Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?
 
2014-04-09 11:25:19 AM
Publikwerks

They also intended the second amendment to apply only on the federal level. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that it also applied to states.

Largely unimportant in practice, as most state constitutions also affirm a right to bear arms. Further, we have a general understanding in this country that limits placed on the federal government can't be contradicted by state governments, i.e., Utah can't declare that the official and compulsory religion of Utah is Mormonism, because the supreme law of the land (that government can't force religious affiliation, in this case) trumps that.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
 
2014-04-09 11:25:27 AM
So we should ban knives now?  Because we've learned how fantastically great prohibition works, right dip shiats?
 
2014-04-09 11:25:32 AM
He was able to stab twenty people because a knife isn't as clumsy or random as a gun.
 
2014-04-09 11:25:44 AM

dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?


There are reports of up to 11 people dead.
 
2014-04-09 11:26:37 AM

Baz744: thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.

Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.

No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.


Hey, it's Time Cube guy. He's moved on to gun control, now.
 
2014-04-09 11:26:43 AM

doglover: Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?


Absolutely not. Knives are way scary.


Which is, of course, why the knife is the preferred weapon for soldiers.

Are you seriously arguing that a kid in a school with a knife is likely do to more damage than a kid in a school with a gun?  Is this real or am I being punked?
 
2014-04-09 11:27:50 AM

deanis: Another Government Employee: Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.

For kids? WTF man?


Get the aggression out early.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:02 AM

vudukungfu: nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.

that you, Meow?



You guys are real  crazy, hey look out for these guys. Hell I can say "meow". I can say "moo", for twenty bucks  I'll call the guy a  chickenfarker

Don't know who Meow is.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:05 AM

doglover: The Bestest: doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.

Knives and guns are both deadly.

Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?

Absolutely not. Knives are way scary. Also there's guns and then there's guns. There's knives and there's knives.

A 6" knife is like a .22 revolver or very powerful pellet gun. A deer rifle is more akin to a glaive.

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You wanna tell me a .306 round does more or less tissue damage than a naginata? I think it's academic at that point.


Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker. Even if I have my own gun in a holster, it's unlikely I'll get it out in time to save my life, and EVEN IF I DO draw like lightning, if his bullets are in the air, I'm not blocking them or shooting them out of their direct line to my head with my gun.

Whereas I can block a naginata blow with a stack of books I'm carrying to class, or with any common object I pick up. I can even block it (painfully) with my forearm if I move in close enough. Since he's using a melee weapon, he has to get close to me (though not as close as with a hunting knife) and that gives me extra seconds, extra opportunities, extra chances to live AND take down my attacker.

So you ask about whether I'd prefer a guy firing .306 rounds at me from 50 yards away, or taking a swing at me with a naginata 6-9 feet away, I'll take the guy swinging an polearm over the guy with a gun any day.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:10 AM

probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.


source?
 
2014-04-09 11:28:32 AM

NickelP: Publikwerks: ShadowKamui: The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is

That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies

Well, only if you stop considering dead and inured kids as the price of doing business.

What is an acceptable level? Let's be honest it isn't 0 or nearly every activity out there would be banned.


I'm not sure. But currently the level seems to be set at 
 
2014-04-09 11:28:46 AM
ITT: Calls to "ban knives" in an attempt to satirize largely nonexistant calls to "ban guns".
 
2014-04-09 11:28:54 AM
If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

www.wpw-lock.net
 
2014-04-09 11:28:55 AM

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


Yeah, since it's never actually happened, we have no way to know what might happen!

If you're really here to argue that guns aren't more effective for killing living things than knives, than why the hell would you ever want a gun?
When is knife hunting season?
I have a kitchen full of knives, why would I need a gun for home defense?
I'm not cooking and eating *that* chicken.
 
2014-04-09 11:29:11 AM

The Bestest: probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.

source?


No source, it's just what I'm reporting.
 
2014-04-09 11:30:01 AM

trappedspirit: So we should ban knives now?  Because we've learned how fantastically great prohibition works, right dip shiats?


Considering no one died, this seems like a dumb argument to make.
 
2014-04-09 11:31:02 AM

Cdr.Murdock: Magorn: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies

Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.

Go back to spreading your idiotic tripe this way, and MAYBE you would have an argument.

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Hey *I* am not an "Originalist" but a "Living Constitution" guy.   Its the Conservatives who espouse originialism and as Articulated by Nino Scalia, that means that every word in the Constitution means exactly, no more or less, what it meant in 1789 when the Constitution was written.  Thus, as was Argued in  Bowers v. Hardwick, the 14th amendment's right to privacy could NOT mean that it protected against criminalizing the conduct of two consenting adults behind closed doors, since when the 14th amendment was written, sodomy was illegal in nearly every state in the Union.

Apply that logic to the 2nd and you get Flintlocks and Cannon, no more no less.   And yes that would preclude television and radio from the 1st amendment as well but not the internet since this is also the printed word which existed in 1789.
 
2014-04-09 11:31:02 AM

probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.


Last I checked on CNN they said nobody was dead. There are 7 with critical injuries expected to survive.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/justice/pennsylvania-school-stabbing/i nd ex.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
2014-04-09 11:31:35 AM

nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.


The more accurate take-away is that neither guns nor knives nor sticks are responsible for hurting people; it's the people who wield them that are responsible. Arguments about relative per-weapon carnage do not address the cause of the violence or offer a solution at all. Making any object illegal does little to stop those people from committing violence. Banning anything doesn't actually remove much of a threat from anyone who does not obey the rule of law.

There are reasons for the violence that occurred today and I doubt that access to weapons of any kind are the cause of it.
 
2014-04-09 11:32:28 AM

naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.


i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-09 11:32:47 AM

probesport: The Bestest: probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.

source?

No source, it's just what I'm reporting.


Ah, gotcha.. I have a notoriously awful sarcasm/snark detector.

Trufax, though, last report I saw said 7 critical, but no fatalities yet.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 11:33:13 AM
First images of the killer coming in

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-09 11:33:15 AM

meow said the dog: If the guards and teachers in the school of this had the gun this would have had the ending in mere seconds so the argument of you has invalidity.



yea!  shoot 'em up!  baby!

 a fire fight would be like the movies, man.
 
2014-04-09 11:33:27 AM
Nix Nightbird

Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker.


I would also very much prefer to be attacked with a naginata than a firearm. That being said, don't be surprised if you get 21' ruled.
 
hej
2014-04-09 11:33:36 AM
Has anybody made a joke yet about how this means all students should carry knives?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 11:34:10 AM

SurelyShirley: naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.

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2014-04-09 11:34:15 AM
One saving grace in all this is that Pittsburgh has no shortage of excellent hospitals.  The victims are in the very best of hands.
 
2014-04-09 11:34:15 AM
static.flickr.com
I'm gonna go listen to Linkin Park stab 20 kids.
 
2014-04-09 11:34:32 AM

Magorn: Hey *I* am not an "Originalist" but a "Living Constitution" guy.   Its the Conservatives who espouse originialism and as Articulated by Nino Scalia, that means that every word in the Constitution means exactly, no more or less, what it meant in 1789 when the Constitution was written.  Thus, as was Argued in  Bowers v. Hardwick, the 14th amendment's right to privacy could NOT mean that it protected against criminalizing the conduct of two consenting adults behind closed doors, since when the 14th amendment was written, sodomy was illegal in nearly every state in the Union.

Apply that logic to the 2nd and you get Flintlocks and Cannon, no more no less.   And yes that would preclude television and radio from the 1st amendment as well but not the internet since this is also the printed word which existed in 1789.


I would have zero problems with everyone being armed with flintlocks, muzzle-loaders, and other black powder weapons common in 1789. That would be fine. People could still hunt and protect their homestead, but they'd have a really hard time blasting 50 people in 20 seconds, unless they brought a LOT of guns to their massacre.
 
2014-04-09 11:34:53 AM

wambu: nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.

The more accurate take-away is that neither guns nor knives nor sticks are responsible for hurting people; it's the people who wield them that are responsible. Arguments about relative per-weapon carnage do not address the cause of the violence or offer a solution at all. Making any object illegal does little to stop those people from committing violence. Banning anything doesn't actually remove much of a threat from anyone who does not obey the rule of law.

There are reasons for the violence that occurred today and I doubt that access to weapons of any kind are the cause of it.


I don't think a ban is effective either. But I do wonder if there are ways to limit who can buy a gun to help keep the crazies away from them.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 11:34:58 AM

d23: SurelyShirley: naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.

[i59.tinypic.com image 458x617]


crypes

static.yo-video.net
 
2014-04-09 11:36:04 AM

Facetious_Speciest: Nix Nightbird

Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker.

I would also very much prefer to be attacked with a naginata than a firearm. That being said, don't be surprised if you get 21' ruled.


I can also RUN AWAY from a guy with a naginata. He would have to run to catch me and kill me. The guy with a gun can stand there and pick me off.

Again, I'd prefer mass attackers to be armed with melee weapons. Most definitely.
 
2014-04-09 11:36:05 AM
6 P.M News: 'murica is a fading Democratic Republic. the wealthy/big business has all but taken over its government, leaving the bottom ~98% without a voice in their Government. Violence is increasing across the Land.

Tune in to our 11 P.M. broadcast for explanations..............
 
2014-04-09 11:36:46 AM

NightOwl2255: brokendownyota: Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.

Yet at Sandy Hook, there were next to no wounded people, they all died. A drive by spraying 9mm bullets at people 50 feet away is not the same as getting shot by a .223 in the head or chest from a few feet away.


Also, little kids have fewer hit-points.
 
2014-04-09 11:37:12 AM

EdNortonsTwin: If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

[www.wpw-lock.net image 555x741]


God these are a stupid idea.

They can't get a biometric sensor to unlock a phone or laptop reliably in one try if you're lying comfortably in bed.  I'm going to rely on a fingerprint reader on a firearm in a self-defense situation where adrenaline has shot my fine motor skills?

What retards come up with these ideas?
 
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