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2014-04-09 09:57:26 AM  

Revek: TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..

meh


I am glad I don't have access to a gun.  By the time the "let's ban knives" posts are over I would want to use it on myself.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:39 AM  
This thread is gonna be really really fun...

How many deaths would there have been if a gun was used instead of a knife?
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2014-04-09 09:57:52 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin

So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?


I just like excuses to drink and threads like this one give me plenty of them.  It's a problem and I should probably seek help before I pickle half my internal organs just on this thread alone, but god damn it, patron tequila is so tasty.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:52 AM  

ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:58 AM  
I think we're all entitled to a detailed explanation of Obama's whereabouts during this attack.
 
2014-04-09 09:58:44 AM  

ultraholland: I think we're all entitled to a detailed explanation of Obama's whereabouts during this attack.


This was all caused by Benghazi.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:13 AM  
Gun control works.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:25 AM  
Some kid hurts inside so much he takes a knife to school and stabs 20 people. These 20 people, who were just going to school on a normal spring day, are now being treated for serious knife wounds. But who cares, let's all jerk off about guns.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:34 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:42 AM  
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2014-04-09 09:59:58 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Actually, That doesn't hold true. Survivability rates are usually equal. With an advantage going to the survival of gunshot victims in severe cases.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/


10 years ago it was a greater divide. 70% gunshot survival compared to 30% stabbing survival.
 
2014-04-09 10:00:17 AM  
i blame the following, ever watch that show? like 100 people get stabbed every episode. Clearly tv is the problem here, its rampant unrestricted violence is giving kids the idea that they can just go around stabbing people. not cool
 
2014-04-09 10:00:45 AM  
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2014-04-09 10:00:53 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/20/chicago-shooting s -back-of-the-yards/2841251/">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio n/2013/09/20/chicago-shootings -back-of-the-yards/2841251/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/ i ndex.html">http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-stat e-shooting/i ndex.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-shooting-at-innocent-pe o ple_n_2638701.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-sho oting-at-innocent-peo ple_n_2638701.html

So in these 3 articles (the first that came up on my search), we have 31 people shot, 3 deaths.

Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.
 
2014-04-09 10:01:27 AM  

TNel: Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.


Not if you twist the knife after entry.
 
2014-04-09 10:02:23 AM  

wgb423: The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.


Oh come on.  The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:00 AM  

meow said the dog: If the guards and teachers in the school of this had the gun this would have had the ending in mere seconds so the argument of you has invalidity.


L O Loudness. Dubm.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:13 AM  
Goddam assault knives...
 
2014-04-09 10:03:16 AM  
In before the "we must ban knives" crowd....wait nevermind.

In before the "if a teacher had a gun the would have been stopped instantly" crowd....oops, too late.

In before the "mental health is the problem" crowd..shiat

Gun grabbers, settle your boners down. It's only a matter of time before the U.S. has another mass shooting situation where you will have the opportunity to blame something other than gun loving culture (video games, TV/Movies, music, LIBS!!).
 
2014-04-09 10:03:26 AM  
Just for the record of this the administrator who provided the greening of the story changed the headline of this which was at first the trollifically ridiculous heading about how OM MAGOODNESS KNIVES ARE SO AS DANGEROUS AS THE GUNS because that is what people who have the brain disease have belief of.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:33 AM  

Johnny Texas: ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?

I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


Hey!  No empirical evidence in a gun thread, thank you very much.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:53 AM  

TNel: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.

Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.


Not exactly. Accidental knife wounds yes. Deliberate stabbings tend to be more of a victim gets gutted situation.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:57 AM  
Ugh. Next school shooter is gonna have a gun AND a knife probably. And this 11 days before Columbines anniversary. I fear for the rest of April.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:00 AM  

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


The kid was close enough to stab/slash people.  I think a kill shot would be pretty easy at that range considering that it takes much more rage to plow a blade into someone than it does to pull a trigger.

Could he have fallen short of 20 kills?  Certainly.  But we would still be talking about multiple casualties.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:30 AM  

mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/


"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:32 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


No, it is never the person, always the weapon.

We should really make the people who sell knives and the parents who let their children have access to knives civily liable for these sorts of indicidents.
 
2014-04-09 10:05:09 AM  

Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.



OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.
 
2014-04-09 10:05:52 AM  
The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!
 
2014-04-09 10:05:52 AM  
In before

TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..


nevermind
 
2014-04-09 10:07:01 AM  

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


the Right is working on that...

//trollerific
 
2014-04-09 10:07:13 AM  

Johnny Texas: The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


The dude in Austin was a trained soldier and killed 16 people..
 
2014-04-09 10:07:44 AM  

Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?


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2014-04-09 10:08:09 AM  

brokendownyota: Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.


Yet at Sandy Hook, there were next to no wounded people, they all died. A drive by spraying 9mm bullets at people 50 feet away is not the same as getting shot by a .223 in the head or chest from a few feet away.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:10 AM  
d23:
Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.

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FEEEEMAAALES!
 
2014-04-09 10:08:15 AM  
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Eat you farking Brussels sprouts.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:30 AM  

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


LOL. I always thought schools were like minimum-security prison, with graduation a form of release.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:45 AM  
It's threads like these that underscore the fact that currently, the most divisive thing has become our political affiliations. Moreso than gender, ethnicity, or religion.

So carry on prattling over who is right and keep pushing America closer to the brink.

'In all things, moderation.' - Some smart guy.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:04 AM  
Obviously, if the students were allowed to carry knives of their own this wouldn't have happened.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:10 AM  
I hope they bulldoze this school then build a new one in the same spot. Also bulldoze the house of the person who did this.

/this is how people in the US think (in CT anyway)
 
2014-04-09 10:09:20 AM  

skwerl: OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


Jesus put down the rage.  This is common practice for any school violence.  My god take your meds you forgot this morning.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:36 AM  

TNel: mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/

"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.


"Just over three quarters (77.9 percent) of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, and just under a quarter (22.1 percent) suffered stab wounds."

I see cheyypicking is your forte.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:00 AM  
You know what the one unifying factor is... mental health.

But since health care itself is a subject that cause us in the U.S. to have a sudden massive loss of IQ points, it's kind of hard to talk about when coupled with discussions with sensible weapons regulation.

We're screwed.  We're screwed massively.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:19 AM  

lilplatinum: The dude in Austin was a trained soldier and killed 16 people..


And wounded 32, not a very good ratio.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:27 AM  
Is the press calling the suspect a knifeman?
 
2014-04-09 10:10:31 AM  
edge.liveleak.com

Britain welcomes the US to non-gun related violence. We are all hooligans now.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:34 AM  
How long before Wayne LaPierre gets on TV and says guns would have prevented this from happening?
 
2014-04-09 10:10:56 AM  

AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.


Liar.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:15 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?



Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%
 
2014-04-09 10:11:28 AM  
The soon to be renamed Shanklin Regional High School.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:39 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


You also run faster with a knife.  Source: Counterstrike.
 
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