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2014-04-09 08:07:25 AM  
If the guards and teachers in the school of this had the gun this would have had the ending in mere seconds so the argument of you has invalidity.
 
2014-04-09 08:09:36 AM  
KDKA reporting "5 or 6" students stabbed, suspect in custody.
 
2014-04-09 08:12:22 AM  
I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.
 
2014-04-09 08:26:22 AM  
This means Lanza's attack didn't really matter.
 
2014-04-09 08:28:34 AM  

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 08:31:36 AM  
And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.
 
2014-04-09 08:40:53 AM  
This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..
 
2014-04-09 08:50:37 AM  
And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!
 
2014-04-09 08:56:50 AM  
Story about how I grew up in a rural community and everyone brought machetes to school and it was never a big deal.
 
2014-04-09 08:58:31 AM  
Now they're saying 7 victims sent to hospitals and the suspect in custody is a male student.
 
2014-04-09 08:59:04 AM  
The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.
 
2014-04-09 08:59:09 AM  
If all children were properly diagnosed, supervised and medicated this would never happen
 
2014-04-09 09:09:02 AM  

nekom: Now they're saying 7 victims sent to hospitals and the suspect in custody is a male student.


Must have spent the night playing Grand Theft Kitchen.
 
2014-04-09 09:10:36 AM  

kronicfeld: The answer is to release wild boars into the local ecosystem so that residents are incentivized to carry firearms.


That would teach them self sufficiency as well. They wouldn't need the free school lunch.
 
2014-04-09 09:19:13 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.
 
2014-04-09 09:19:16 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Man, not bad. I thought you were serious for just a while there.
 
2014-04-09 09:41:31 AM  
20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?
 
2014-04-09 09:43:41 AM  
They should have had a zero tolerance for knives in the school... that should have kept it from happening.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:00 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.

Knife stab wounds tend to be lethal while shootings are survivable depending on the ammo, shot placement.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:03 AM  

Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?


No, a high-capacity knife would have jammed causing far fewer casualties, he was using the approved limited-capacity knife.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:04 AM  
Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin
 
2014-04-09 09:44:27 AM  
I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:28 AM  
We need to ban knives!

/this is how they think in the UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4581871.stm
 
2014-04-09 09:45:39 AM  
Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids
 
2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM  

nekom: Now they're saying 7 victims sent to hospitals and the suspect in custody is a male student.


well you can injured and not go to the hospital. And what about the mental trauma? Why are you discounting the emotional damage?!? jk

Did anyone here really think it was a chick?
 
2014-04-09 09:46:39 AM  

TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..


The bed-wetters in charge of England actually think that way.
 
2014-04-09 09:46:53 AM  

CanisNoir: Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?

No, a high-capacity knife would have jammed causing far fewer casualties, he was using the approved limited-capacity knife.


We need to restrict the amount of knife magazines!

i1153.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-09 09:47:04 AM  
Well, at least the kid respected that it was a gun-free zone.
 
2014-04-09 09:47:12 AM  

naughtyrev: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.


Fark that, I saw we need silo-based ICBMs.  Think about how long it takes to build those things, and how difficult they are to maintain properly!  Sure, you could use one, but it'd take you so long to reload that bystanders would definitely jump you before you detonated the second nuclear weapon.
 
2014-04-09 09:48:04 AM  
Is this an April thing? 8 months in school and the kids crack. Imagine year round schooling. Unable to get away from your bullies and jocks.

/my last bully was a vice principal
 
2014-04-09 09:48:41 AM  

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?
 
2014-04-09 09:49:06 AM  
It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.
 
2014-04-09 09:49:36 AM  
so, knife porn time?!
 
2014-04-09 09:50:31 AM  
Obviously if he had been armed with a gun the death toll certainly would have been considerably higher.
 
2014-04-09 09:50:38 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: naughtyrev: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.

Fark that, I saw we need silo-based ICBMs.  Think about how long it takes to build those things, and how difficult they are to maintain properly!  Sure, you could use one, but it'd take you so long to reload that bystanders would definitely jump you before you detonated the second nuclear weapon.


Plus, have you seen War Games?

Chances are that your partner in the silo is going to puss out anyway.
 
2014-04-09 09:52:01 AM  
Hey! That headline isn't funny.
 
2014-04-09 09:52:04 AM  

KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin


So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?
 
2014-04-09 09:52:40 AM  
Figured the farkwit anti gun people would jump all over a story that's not even about farking guns.

Get the fark over it. Guns are here to stay.

/does not own a gun
//not one that is safe to shoot, that is
 
2014-04-09 09:52:47 AM  
This is a false flag operation by the NRA.
 
2014-04-09 09:53:38 AM  

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.

Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.
 
2014-04-09 09:53:57 AM  
Before we get all crazy, we need to figure out what kind of knife it was. Butter? Ginsu? Maybe one of those scary looking ones with built-in brass knuckles?
 
2014-04-09 09:54:00 AM  

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?
 
2014-04-09 09:54:12 AM  

syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.


That is the first intelligent thing anyone has said in this thread.

Good day to you sir.
 
2014-04-09 09:54:50 AM  
Looks like someone didn't have access to guns.
 
2014-04-09 09:54:57 AM  

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids



Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 09:55:02 AM  

Walker: We need to ban knives!

/this is how they think in the UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4581871.stm


Yeah.  I knew this was going to be posted.
 
2014-04-09 09:56:12 AM  

sammyk: syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.

That is the first intelligent thing anyone has said in this thread.

Good day to you sir.


You're no fun :(
 
2014-04-09 09:56:30 AM  

TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..


meh
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 09:56:34 AM  
GIS

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

I love the Internet.  I want to marry the Internet.

carry on.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:07 AM  
Early reports are that a person ran through the school slashing or puncturing students with a knife or other sharp object.

Running in the halls? That is at least two day's detention right there.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 09:57:26 AM  

Revek: TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..

meh


I am glad I don't have access to a gun.  By the time the "let's ban knives" posts are over I would want to use it on myself.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:39 AM  
This thread is gonna be really really fun...

How many deaths would there have been if a gun was used instead of a knife?
/trollface.jpg
 
2014-04-09 09:57:52 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin

So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?


I just like excuses to drink and threads like this one give me plenty of them.  It's a problem and I should probably seek help before I pickle half my internal organs just on this thread alone, but god damn it, patron tequila is so tasty.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:52 AM  

ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:58 AM  
I think we're all entitled to a detailed explanation of Obama's whereabouts during this attack.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 09:58:44 AM  

ultraholland: I think we're all entitled to a detailed explanation of Obama's whereabouts during this attack.


This was all caused by Benghazi.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:13 AM  
Gun control works.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:25 AM  
Some kid hurts inside so much he takes a knife to school and stabs 20 people. These 20 people, who were just going to school on a normal spring day, are now being treated for serious knife wounds. But who cares, let's all jerk off about guns.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:34 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:42 AM  
fc03.deviantart.net
 
2014-04-09 09:59:58 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Actually, That doesn't hold true. Survivability rates are usually equal. With an advantage going to the survival of gunshot victims in severe cases.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/


10 years ago it was a greater divide. 70% gunshot survival compared to 30% stabbing survival.
 
2014-04-09 10:00:17 AM  
i blame the following, ever watch that show? like 100 people get stabbed every episode. Clearly tv is the problem here, its rampant unrestricted violence is giving kids the idea that they can just go around stabbing people. not cool
 
2014-04-09 10:00:45 AM  
ssfuturama.intya.cz
 
2014-04-09 10:00:53 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/20/chicago-shooting s -back-of-the-yards/2841251/">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio n/2013/09/20/chicago-shootings -back-of-the-yards/2841251/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/ i ndex.html">http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-stat e-shooting/i ndex.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-shooting-at-innocent-pe o ple_n_2638701.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/lapd-sho oting-at-innocent-peo ple_n_2638701.html

So in these 3 articles (the first that came up on my search), we have 31 people shot, 3 deaths.

Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.
 
2014-04-09 10:01:27 AM  

TNel: Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.


Not if you twist the knife after entry.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 10:02:23 AM  

wgb423: The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.


Oh come on.  The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:00 AM  

meow said the dog: If the guards and teachers in the school of this had the gun this would have had the ending in mere seconds so the argument of you has invalidity.


L O Loudness. Dubm.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:13 AM  
Goddam assault knives...
 
2014-04-09 10:03:16 AM  
In before the "we must ban knives" crowd....wait nevermind.

In before the "if a teacher had a gun the would have been stopped instantly" crowd....oops, too late.

In before the "mental health is the problem" crowd..shiat

Gun grabbers, settle your boners down. It's only a matter of time before the U.S. has another mass shooting situation where you will have the opportunity to blame something other than gun loving culture (video games, TV/Movies, music, LIBS!!).
 
2014-04-09 10:03:26 AM  
Just for the record of this the administrator who provided the greening of the story changed the headline of this which was at first the trollifically ridiculous heading about how OM MAGOODNESS KNIVES ARE SO AS DANGEROUS AS THE GUNS because that is what people who have the brain disease have belief of.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:33 AM  

Johnny Texas: ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?

I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


Hey!  No empirical evidence in a gun thread, thank you very much.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:53 AM  

TNel: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

No but bulletts tend to punch nice sized holes in people that if they don't die from the hit, bleeding out is a very real happening, or they get hit in very important organs.

Knive wounds can be severe depending on the location but the thing a knife wound has going for it is that it's usually a clean slice that can be sewed/glued shut.


Not exactly. Accidental knife wounds yes. Deliberate stabbings tend to be more of a victim gets gutted situation.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:57 AM  
Ugh. Next school shooter is gonna have a gun AND a knife probably. And this 11 days before Columbines anniversary. I fear for the rest of April.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:00 AM  

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


The kid was close enough to stab/slash people.  I think a kill shot would be pretty easy at that range considering that it takes much more rage to plow a blade into someone than it does to pull a trigger.

Could he have fallen short of 20 kills?  Certainly.  But we would still be talking about multiple casualties.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:30 AM  

mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/


"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:32 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


No, it is never the person, always the weapon.

We should really make the people who sell knives and the parents who let their children have access to knives civily liable for these sorts of indicidents.
 
2014-04-09 10:05:09 AM  

Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.



OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.
 
2014-04-09 10:05:52 AM  
The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!
 
2014-04-09 10:05:52 AM  
In before

TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..


nevermind
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 10:07:01 AM  

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


the Right is working on that...

//trollerific
 
2014-04-09 10:07:13 AM  

Johnny Texas: The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


The dude in Austin was a trained soldier and killed 16 people..
 
2014-04-09 10:07:44 AM  

Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 10:08:09 AM  

brokendownyota: Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.


Yet at Sandy Hook, there were next to no wounded people, they all died. A drive by spraying 9mm bullets at people 50 feet away is not the same as getting shot by a .223 in the head or chest from a few feet away.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:10 AM  
d23:
Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.

i.imgur.com

FEEEEMAAALES!
 
2014-04-09 10:08:15 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Eat you farking Brussels sprouts.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:30 AM  

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


LOL. I always thought schools were like minimum-security prison, with graduation a form of release.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:45 AM  
It's threads like these that underscore the fact that currently, the most divisive thing has become our political affiliations. Moreso than gender, ethnicity, or religion.

So carry on prattling over who is right and keep pushing America closer to the brink.

'In all things, moderation.' - Some smart guy.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:04 AM  
Obviously, if the students were allowed to carry knives of their own this wouldn't have happened.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:10 AM  
I hope they bulldoze this school then build a new one in the same spot. Also bulldoze the house of the person who did this.

/this is how people in the US think (in CT anyway)
 
2014-04-09 10:09:20 AM  

skwerl: OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


Jesus put down the rage.  This is common practice for any school violence.  My god take your meds you forgot this morning.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:36 AM  

TNel: mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/

"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.


"Just over three quarters (77.9 percent) of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, and just under a quarter (22.1 percent) suffered stab wounds."

I see cheyypicking is your forte.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 10:10:00 AM  
You know what the one unifying factor is... mental health.

But since health care itself is a subject that cause us in the U.S. to have a sudden massive loss of IQ points, it's kind of hard to talk about when coupled with discussions with sensible weapons regulation.

We're screwed.  We're screwed massively.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:19 AM  

lilplatinum: The dude in Austin was a trained soldier and killed 16 people..


And wounded 32, not a very good ratio.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:27 AM  
Is the press calling the suspect a knifeman?
 
2014-04-09 10:10:31 AM  
edge.liveleak.com

Britain welcomes the US to non-gun related violence. We are all hooligans now.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:34 AM  
How long before Wayne LaPierre gets on TV and says guns would have prevented this from happening?
 
2014-04-09 10:10:56 AM  

AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.


Liar.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:15 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?



Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%
 
2014-04-09 10:11:28 AM  
The soon to be renamed Shanklin Regional High School.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:39 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


You also run faster with a knife.  Source: Counterstrike.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:53 AM  

Johnny Texas: lilplatinum: The dude in Austin was a trained soldier and killed 16 people..

And wounded 32, not a very good ratio.


A lot more than he would have killed with a knife.  Hard to kill people with those from a clock tower.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 10:11:56 AM  

GungFu: [edge.liveleak.com image 615x409]

Britain welcomes the US to non-gun related violence. We are all hooligans now.


He'll never never do it again... not until the next time.
 
2014-04-09 10:12:11 AM  

d23: GIS

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 271x186]

I love the Internet.  I want to marry the Internet.

carry on.


I pronounce you mr and mrs tubgirl
 
2014-04-09 10:12:37 AM  
If only the other students had knives, and all the teachers had knives, this would never have happened.

Replace "knives" with "guns" in the sentence above to see what gun nuts actually believe. It's fun!
 
2014-04-09 10:12:53 AM  

lilplatinum: A lot more than he would have killed with a knife.  Hard to kill people with those from a clock tower.


Throwing knives, duh!
 
2014-04-09 10:13:28 AM  

kdawg7736: stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!

LOL. I always thought schools were like minimum-security prison, with graduation a form of release.


The danger of being dying in a murder spree is nothing compared to the brainwashing you'll receive.
 
2014-04-09 10:13:55 AM  
I wonder if they made fun of him constantly because his parents were too poor to even afford a gun.
 
2014-04-09 10:13:57 AM  
Same Franklin?
img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-09 10:14:16 AM  
Wonder if he was taking any of those so called "Black Box"  drugs...  Like all the mass killers?
 
2014-04-09 10:14:38 AM  

IgG4: Obviously if he had been armed with a gun the death toll certainly would have been considerably higher.


Speculative at best.
Its the attackers choice whether to kill and how to arm himself.
There were probably more lethal options at his disposal, but He chose a knife for whatever reason.

/You can't choose what the other guy brings to the assault, only what you bring for your defense.
 
2014-04-09 10:14:48 AM  
So, have they found the plane yet?
 
2014-04-09 10:14:56 AM  
cache.gawkerassets.com

Wanted for questioning.
 
2014-04-09 10:14:58 AM  

Johnny Texas: lilplatinum: A lot more than he would have killed with a knife.  Hard to kill people with those from a clock tower.

Throwing knives, duh!


The only thing to stop bad guys with throwing knives are good guys with ninja stars.
 
2014-04-09 10:14:59 AM  
Starting immediately, only these knives should be allowed.
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-04-09 10:15:01 AM  

mschwenk: TNel: mschwenk: http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/band/

"A third of patients with gunshot wounds (33.0 percent) died compared with 7.7 percent of patients with stab wounds. "  Nice source.   Now take into case also they do not list people that were dead on the scene since those people were not taken to the ER.

"Just over three quarters (77.9 percent) of the victims suffered gunshot wounds, and just under a quarter (22.1 percent) suffered stab wounds."

I see cheyypicking is your forte.


I'm not "cheyypicking" my facts.  7% of patients with stab wounds died.  Just because less people got stabbed doesn't mean stabbing is worse.  The percents are independant of each other.  They did not say 7% of victims that died had stab wounds they said 7% of patients with stab wounds died.  You are failing with reading comprehension.  Your cite says the complete opposite of what you want it to say.
 
2014-04-09 10:15:24 AM  

skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


This is likely because kids being let of school early will often not return home immediately and they don't want a bunch of panicky parents thinking their kid is among the wounded if they are not.
 
2014-04-09 10:15:42 AM  
Last line of the CNN article:

"CNN first learned of the stabbings on Twitter. "
 
2014-04-09 10:16:04 AM  
Knives require you to get too close.  I rely on a boar spear!

www.trueswords.com
 
2014-04-09 10:16:05 AM  

naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.


Less than seven seconds.

At last! Something that I am expert on in a Fark thread.
 
2014-04-09 10:16:11 AM  

neversubmit: Hey! That headline isn't funny.


It was submitted with a far more trolltastic headline, but a green is a green.

/Subby
 
2014-04-09 10:16:24 AM  

skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


Maybe these people, unlike yourself, wouldn't find it too inconvenient to go and take care of their child after a traumatic event like this.  But then again those people aren't self absorbed turds that have no idea of what real parenting is.
 
2014-04-09 10:16:32 AM  
dov5cor25da49.cloudfront.net
 
2014-04-09 10:16:39 AM  
I completely understand wanting to get out of a test or avoid not turning in undone homework, but there's a code, man.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 10:16:47 AM  

justanothersumguy: Wonder if he was taking any of those so called "Black Box"  drugs...  Like all the mass killers?


Somehow I got onto watching some of the old trollerific TV shows during the PMRC era.  If this was happening back then I am sure that somehow Tipper Gore would have blamed it on Prince.

It's always something.
 
2014-04-09 10:17:03 AM  

Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


FTFA:

A doctor at Forbes Regional Hospital says seven of the victims suffered life threatening injuries. Dr. Chris Kaufman says two victims were in the operating room and one was awaiting surgery.
 
2014-04-09 10:17:04 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%


My wife likes to use that term for some reason.

/ Hi-ohhhhh!
// Try the fish
 
2014-04-09 10:17:15 AM  
www.trekp.com
 
2014-04-09 10:18:03 AM  

lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.


You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.
 
2014-04-09 10:18:16 AM  

d23: Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


Spiked wine and a boar?

img855.imageshack.us

then there are the young whippersnappers:
img580.imageshack.us


But really when I dismissed the idea of a woman doing it, it wasn't because the weapon was a knife. If it was a woman and the weapon was a knife one person will have been attacked and they'd be dead.
 
2014-04-09 10:18:30 AM  

Lord Farkwad: Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?

[img.fark.net image 540x540]


not scary enough, needs to be black

www.tigeredge.com
 
2014-04-09 10:20:04 AM  
imageshack.com
 
2014-04-09 10:20:17 AM  
That knife probably had a camo-colored blade and a rubberized grip. That's the real problem.
We need to ban "assault" knives with scarey attachments.
 
2014-04-09 10:20:19 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But really when I dismissed the idea of a woman doing it, it wasn't because the weapon was a knife. If it was a woman and the weapon was a knife one person will have been attacked and they'd be dead.


With 25 stab wounds.  Closer to 50 if there are also individually wrapped chocolates in her purse.
 
2014-04-09 10:20:29 AM  

AngryDragon: But the guns are the problem.


Guns aren't the problem.
People with guns are the problem.
We just need to make sure that people don't have guns.
 
2014-04-09 10:21:23 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Before we get all crazy, we need to figure out what kind of knife it was. Butter? Ginsu? Maybe one of those scary looking ones with built-in brass knuckles?



image.rockynational.com
 
2014-04-09 10:22:13 AM  
Sounds like a klingon to me...

Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man.
 
2014-04-09 10:22:41 AM  

AngryDragon: lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.

You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.


Well it is freaking detroit.  If you live in the ghetto you should have a gun for protection.  Does Detroit have a castle law/Stand your ground law?
 
2014-04-09 10:22:54 AM  
In order for someone to stab that many people, there was some serious anger issues.   Knives are much more personal than guns.  I hope everyone lives.
 
2014-04-09 10:24:01 AM  
But the weapon was a bayonet!
 
2014-04-09 10:24:23 AM  

TommyJReed: This is a call to arms,  we must ban these dangerous Assault Knives.  there is no reason to have a knife that can cut people deep enough to kill them.  everyone should be happy and able to manage with a 1 inch blade, and anything longer should only be available only to licensed professionals who need them for their jobs, people like chefs.who are trained to properly use knives.  Look at the statistics, 90% of people will cut themselves with their own knives by accident, that number jumps to 150% of people if you count children who get their hands on their irresponsible parents knife blocks that aren't locked up with safety devices..


Substitute that with guns, and we are in complete agreement. (no, you're not trolling. I can spot a true gun nut).

Knifes with locking blades have no purpose at a school either btw., but your argument of "then only criminals will have guns" or, "criminals with an intend to kill will find a way".

Well woops, looks like noone is dead, invalidating your argument.
 
2014-04-09 10:25:11 AM  

TNel: AngryDragon: lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.

You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.

Well it is freaking detroit.  If you live in the ghetto you should have a gun for protection.  Does Detroit have a castle law/Stand your ground law?


Both actually.  Detroit Police Chief loves those laws.

Spoiler: He's black, go figure.
 
2014-04-09 10:25:23 AM  

lilplatinum: Johnny Texas: lilplatinum: The dude in Austin was a trained soldier and killed 16 people..

And wounded 32, not a very good ratio.

A lot more than he would have killed with a knife.  Hard to kill people with those from a clock tower.


What, exactly, do you hope to accomplish with a comment like that?  Do you think you're actually proving something?  Is it really just to get replies? Or is it to 'win'?

You can't win.  The only winning move is not to play.
 
2014-04-09 10:25:44 AM  
Violent crime has been dropping since the early 90's.  That includes guns, knives, sporks, and everything else.

FBI statistics.

Deal with it.  (Or keep on ranting, whatever.)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/02/18/fbi_crime_report_sh o ws_violent_crime_down_rape_up.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/
 
2014-04-09 10:25:58 AM  
labman: "Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man."

"qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH qetbogh loD."
 
2014-04-09 10:26:02 AM  

Hack Patooey: 20 people stabbed?  So it was a high-capacity knife?


From the article, quite a few were trambled as people tried to get away from this dude.
 
2014-04-09 10:26:15 AM  

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


 The circle jerk has begun.
 
2014-04-09 10:26:24 AM  

skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.


If you work for a place that wouldn't let you go pick up your kid after someone went running through the halls stabbing other students, maybe you need to work for a better place? It would in no way be a "disruption" to me, and my job and my wife's job would let us go in a moment's notice.

Either you don't know what having kids is all about, or you need to burn down the place that you work.

www.centerforworklife.com

content7.flixster.com
 
2014-04-09 10:26:27 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 10:26:46 AM  

JerseyTim: Story about how I grew up in a rural community and everyone brought machetes to school and it was never a big deal.


No, it's: "Now this is a story all about how" etc
 
2014-04-09 10:26:56 AM  

BravadoGT: Knives require you to get too close.  I rely on a boar spear!

[www.trueswords.com image 500x500]


Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies.  You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff.  Just seems stupid.  They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead.  Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.
 
2014-04-09 10:27:01 AM  
KNIFE FREE ZONES ARE STABBING RANGES!
 
2014-04-09 10:27:37 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


OK you're right, he should have had a gun then.
 
2014-04-09 10:27:42 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%


You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?
 
2014-04-09 10:28:05 AM  
Somebody had better tell Holder. Maybe we need bracelets for knives.
 
2014-04-09 10:28:20 AM  
This is why every principal should be equipped with the proper protection for this type of situation:

www.wonderlandblog.com
 
2014-04-09 10:28:22 AM  

topcon: Violent crime has been dropping since the early 90's.  That includes guns, knives, sporks, and everything else.


media.steampowered.com
 
2014-04-09 10:28:50 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Interesting argument but you ended with an almost woefully incorrect conclusion requiring a better understanding of anatomy.
The most likely injury you listed is the liver.  It is huge and quite near the surface.
The Artery and lung would be somewhat less likely as the lungs are protected by ribs and the knife angle would have to be considered and most major arteries are deep excluding the neck.
The heart is brobably the most protected and least likely.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:06 AM  

gadian: With 25 stab wounds. Closer to 50 if there are also individually wrapped chocolates in her purse.


Joke all you want. But I offer my comment as a testament to their focus and resolute. I'm paying them a complement.

This kind of blind rage and sloppiness is beneath them
 
2014-04-09 10:29:06 AM  

nekom: Now they're saying 7 victims sent to hospitals and the suspect in custody is a male student.


I really couldn't have pictured a girl doing this.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:09 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


Or a good guy with a gun.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:22 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


I assume by "designed specifically to kill people" you are referring to guns. Which is a stretch.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:46 AM  

Glitchwerks: BravadoGT: Knives require you to get too close.  I rely on a boar spear!

[www.trueswords.com image 500x500]

Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies.  You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff.  Just seems stupid.  They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead.  Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.


Blood runs down pole
hands get covered in blood/gore
Lose grip on weapon
Zombie walks away with spear stuck in them
more zombies surround and eat you
 
2014-04-09 10:29:59 AM  

TNel: AngryDragon: lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.

You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.

Well it is freaking detroit.  If you live in the ghetto you should have a gun for protection.  Does Detroit have a castle law/Stand your ground law?


I think it is more of a "break a deal face the wheel" type arrangement versus actual codified law in Detroit
 
2014-04-09 10:30:49 AM  

Glitchwerks: Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies. You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff. Just seems stupid. They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead. Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.


I never get that.  All they need is a long branch and then sharpen it.  You are then 6 feet from them instead of being 2 inches.
 
2014-04-09 10:31:06 AM  

FnkyTwn: brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.

It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!


Actually, I think a lot of the gun crowd,at least me personally, had the point of this....

Guns are not directly the issue, the issue at hand is mental illness. You can ban guns, taking them away from hundreds of thousands of people who use them responsibly every year to stop the 1% (or less) of mentally ill people from using them in a crime, but facts are fact. They are simply going to find another means to commit the crime. It's not going to stop the violence, crazy is crazy and until you solve the main issue, banning things is simply a band-aid.
 
2014-04-09 10:31:36 AM  
No one could find a baseball bat?
 
2014-04-09 10:31:42 AM  
BAN HIGH CAPACITY ASSAULT KNIVES!
img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-09 10:32:28 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


I think everyone is lonely and technology has made us this way. People are meaner to each other and don't care about others. Most people just try to dominate conversations and bring people down a notch.
 
2014-04-09 10:32:34 AM  
FnkyTwn:

It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!


Show me "right off the rails".  Dude claimed something that was retarded at face value, I pointed that out.  Wanna post something that relates to the reality we live in, then we can discuss, but if you say things that are patently false, it should be clarified to all who read that you haven't got a clue.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:18 AM  

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


Well, yes. That would address the problem of kids snapping after 8 months of being mixed with the same batch of assholes.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:45 AM  
Actually, the one thing nobody is referring to in their statistics of knife deaths vs. gun deaths. What is the percentage of multiple people stabbed with the same knife dying? Whoever this kid was, I'm pretty sure he wasn't throwing the thing in an autoclave in between victims. How many people now have infections and such from blood contamination?
 
2014-04-09 10:34:36 AM  
Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?
 
2014-04-09 10:34:36 AM  
How many fewer people would have been stabbed had there been a good guy with a gub?
 
2014-04-09 10:34:42 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


www.simonprior.com
The outback, most likely.


/mate
 
2014-04-09 10:34:42 AM  
Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.
 
2014-04-09 10:35:18 AM  

Another Government Employee: Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.


For kids? WTF man?
 
2014-04-09 10:36:26 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Blood runs down pole
hands get covered in blood/gore
Lose grip on weapon
Zombie walks away with spear stuck in them
more zombies surround and eat you


And how is that any different from a machete, crow bar, hammer that you them use now?
 
2014-04-09 10:36:31 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


And what were knives designed "specifically" for? Killing, gutting and skinning animals. Interesting.
 
2014-04-09 10:36:42 AM  
Also what this shows is that simply banning guns won't prevent these attempted mass killings. The wacko will use whatever weapons they can - knives, bombs, etc.
 
2014-04-09 10:36:48 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


QUIET YOU!
 its easier to be outraged at the intimate objects that to deal with societal ills!

KNIVES!
GUN!
RAP MUSIC!
VIDEO GAMES!
JUSTIN BEIBER!
WHY WON"T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHIIILDREN.
 
2014-04-09 10:37:25 AM  

TNel: AngryDragon: lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.

You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.

Well it is freaking detroit.  If you live in the ghetto you should have a gun for protection.  Does Detroit have a castle law/Stand your ground law?


They are like one of the most restrictive states when it comes to guns.
A quick review of Michigan gun laws shows that law abiding citizens wishing to own a gun for self-protection are strongly regulated and actively discouraged. First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire. Then they have to apply for the Ten Day Handgun Purchase Permit to buy the gun and make sure they find and buy the gun of their choice within 10 days, otherwise they have start the process all over again. When they make their purchase, they have to fill out a Michigan Pistol Sales Record form and make sure the pistol has a valid firearm Safety Inspection Certificate.
Once the citizen has purchased their firearm, they have 10 days to take the gun to the local police department, have the sale recorded, and a new Safety Inspection Certificate issued in their name. Otherwise, they are considered in violation of the law and could be arrested on a misdemeanor gun violation.
Federal laws also require a background check if you purchase a gun from a licensed dealer with a Federal Firearms License.
Note that each and every legal gun buyer in Michigan, and particularly Detroit, must be approved by the local police at least twice each and every time they purchase a gun and undergo a background check by the federal government.


better off with this
www.c22webdesign.com
 
2014-04-09 10:37:27 AM  
They bought their tickets. I say, let 'em crash.
 
2014-04-09 10:38:00 AM  

Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?


Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics
 
2014-04-09 10:38:06 AM  

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


Because it's too soon to discuss measures that need to be taken. From all of the ("isolated") shootings that have occurred, it's become obvious that after a shooting, it's too soon to talk about what needs to be done until the next shooting, when it's both too late and too soon.
Or, because the same gun-huggers who say it's a mental health issue will move heavens and earth to make sure fewer people have access to have said mental health evaluated.
Or, maybe just because it's pointless to argue with unreasonable people who don't have the maturity to see facts for what they are, and are relying on their prejudices and fears to guide them.
 
2014-04-09 10:38:10 AM  

syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.


What if this had happened at a clown college?
 
2014-04-09 10:38:11 AM  

Agatha Crispy: Some kid hurts inside so much he takes a knife to school and stabs 20 people. These 20 people, who were just going to school on a normal spring day, are now being treated for serious knife wounds. But who cares, let's all jerk off about guns.


Challenge accepted.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 10:38:54 AM  

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


It would have been a lot worse had he been using a couple of pistols instead of a knife?  I'm not sure where you're going with this.  You can go with "See!?  Knives are just as dangerous as guns!" but then that leads to our very next move being we stop issuing guns to any enlisted people in the armed forces because hey knives work and are way cheaper.  We would save billions so I guess I'm on board if you'd like to go with that.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:01 AM  

d23: wgb423: The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.

Oh come on.  The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


They don't like Mondays either.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:26 AM  

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


Maybe the more pertinent issue is to query why any sort of attack is happening at all, rather than getting into the same pointless argument about guns. Instead of investigating why these sort of mass school attacks seem to happen far more frequently in the US than anywhere else and taking steps to understand then address the root causes, far too many people just want to see how they can turn the situation to their advantage in the never-ending 'GUNS!!!!' screaming match.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:31 AM  

farkette716: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

I think everyone is lonely and technology has made us this way. People are meaner to each other and don't care about others. Most people just try to dominate conversations and bring people down a notch.


Could be.  I agree that the isolation and the relative anonymity of the internet might have something to do with it, but I really have no idea.

Something has fundamentally changed in past couple of decades and it scares the shiat out of me.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:40 AM  
Oh, the shark babe...
 
2014-04-09 10:40:32 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


He should have watched "Gangs of New York" to learn how to properly use a knife.
 
2014-04-09 10:41:37 AM  
img.fark.net
A knife? Those kids are lucky it wasn't Reese with her spoon.
 
2014-04-09 10:41:43 AM  
MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)
 
If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.
 
2014-04-09 10:42:16 AM  

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


img.fark.net
Aint you never heard of no 21 foot rule?
 
2014-04-09 10:42:19 AM  
1. We need to register and/or ban all knives, especially hunting, military and assault-style knives.

2. Knives kill people. Knives hurt people.

3. In 2011, nearly 1,700 people were stabbed to death in the US and nearly a half-million knife-related injuries are treated in US emergency rooms yearly.

4. Social factors and mental health factors should be ignored in all cases of knife violence.

5. Knives kill and maim our children.

KNIVES!

i.imgur.com
Do it for the children.
 
2014-04-09 10:43:35 AM  

KhamanV: HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin

So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?

I just like excuses to drink and threads like this one give me plenty of them.  It's a problem and I should probably seek help before I pickle half my internal organs just on this thread alone, but god damn it, patron tequila is so tasty.


That's true about Patron. They make a "perfect margarita" with everclear base and patron topper at a restaurant near me. One of those and I'm on my ass. And the frozen portion doesn't kill my teeth
 
2014-04-09 10:44:39 AM  

nekom: 6" students stabbed, suspect in custody.


They have 6" students? How did those farkers ever beat us in Football.
 
2014-04-09 10:44:59 AM  

SumJackass07: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

[img.fark.net image 442x303]
Aint you never heard of no 21 foot rule?


Nice reference.
 
2014-04-09 10:45:08 AM  

TNel: MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)
 
If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsid ...


LMAO, that is the test ?
Niccccce.....
 
2014-04-09 10:45:30 AM  
knowing kids these days, the most hurt were the those that weren't stabbed. "Why am I not cool enough to be the victim of an arbitrary random act of violence?  See Mom, I told you no one likes me at this shiatty school"
 
2014-04-09 10:45:33 AM  

justanothersumguy: Wonder if he was taking any of those so called "Black Box"  drugs...  Like all the mass killers?


You mean injecting the marijuanas?
 
2014-04-09 10:45:43 AM  
Aw man I'm way too late to be the first asshole to make a lame assault knife joke, I might as well just go back to bed
 
2014-04-09 10:45:48 AM  

d23: Oh come on. The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


A 16 year old girl shot 10 people,killed 2 in a school shooting in 1979
 
2014-04-09 10:45:49 AM  

TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.


And you only need 70% of them right to pass btw.
 
2014-04-09 10:46:44 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


Yes, but let's not pretend that the availability of weapons that are more efficient at inflicting harm upon others aren't a factor in this equation. The desire that some people have to hurt others is a major issue, that we as a society desperately need to seriously address. That doesn't mean that, until that issue is addressed, we shouldn't do anything at all about access to weapons that make it much easier to hurt more people more severely.
 
2014-04-09 10:47:06 AM  

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


Because all the retards who think that any sort of gun registration/mental health check = gun grabbing have blown their saved up load of wharbagarble before anything remotely resembling an argument could form.

The bottom line is that this is a sad occurrence, but it would have been alot worse if he had a gun. And if we could get past all the BS, maybe we could figure out a way to keep guns out of the hand of people who would do these type of attacks. So that the headlines would stay 20 injured instead of 20 killed
 
2014-04-09 10:47:25 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Boom goes the dynamite!
 
2014-04-09 10:47:28 AM  

brokendownyota: FnkyTwn:It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!

Show me "right off the rails".  Dude claimed something that was retarded at face value, I pointed that out.  Wanna post something that relates to the reality we live in, then we can discuss, but if you say things that are patently false, it should be clarified to all who read that you haven't got a clue.


I was generalizing more about the guntards in this thread and your post was the first easily accessible one to Reply to, so don't feel completely singled out, however your original post does get pretty derpy pretty fast, but I'd imagine that's why the admin deleted my post because they understood the amount of crying panties it would elicit.


brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.
 
2014-04-09 10:47:37 AM  
I'm  surprised that "New Math" doesn't make more kids flip out.
 
2014-04-09 10:48:24 AM  

Another Government Employee: Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.


We won't know until we try. Someone write up a bill right meow!
 
2014-04-09 10:48:25 AM  
I'm not going to let you damn knife grabbers take away my knives!!!  I just bought the 126 knife set from the home shopping network!!!    For 49.95 plus shipping!  Take that knife grabbers!
 
2014-04-09 10:48:54 AM  

TNel: TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.

And you only need 70% of them right to pass btw.


You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. ..

false... no wait, true.. no no wait, false.. mmmm sometimes? Wait wait, safe for who?
 
2014-04-09 10:49:28 AM  

TNel: Glitchwerks: Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies. You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff. Just seems stupid. They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead. Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.

I never get that.  All they need is a long branch and then sharpen it.  You are then 6 feet from them instead of being 2 inches.


Hell, why do they never wear armor? EVERYONE wears protection in the modern world for everything all the time. Butchers have chain gloves, cyclists have helmets, welders have masks. You'd think if they ran serious risk of being eaten, they'd all dress like it with durable, bite proof clothing.

The whole idea of a zombie apocalypse is silly. The original night of the living dead was just that: a single night. After that, Fayette County's indigenous hoopies struck back all the way to the Primantti's dahtahn with beer and deer rifles.
 
2014-04-09 10:50:19 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Plenty of knives are designed specifically to kill people.  Do you know what kind of knife was used in the attack and that it wasn't one of these designs?
 
2014-04-09 10:50:33 AM  
Jesus, I hope I just caught that out of context... On the live feed, a woman was sitting at the press conference at the hospital, spelling out edged as "egyud ". I really hope she was just giving a phonetic spelling...

God, these reporters are stupid, also. "How did this happen?" "Well, the student was running down the hall with two knives, slashing at people." "You mean one in each hand?"---Stunned silence---
 
2014-04-09 10:51:07 AM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-09 10:51:26 AM  
commando pro and lightweight...or he saved up for maniac juggernaut if you're with the modern ghost crowd...
 
2014-04-09 10:51:31 AM  

KhamanV: HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin

So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?

I just like excuses to drink and threads like this one give me plenty of them.  It's a problem and I should probably seek help before I pickle half my internal organs just on this thread alone, but god damn it, patron tequila is so tasty.


I like beer to fuel my alcoholism--rarely if ever touch liquor. But Jesus Christ, Patron is one of the most delicious conconctions ever concocted. Fark those fools who do shots of it--deserves to be sipped.

/sorry about the stabbed people
 
2014-04-09 10:51:55 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


Making a sandwich?
 
2014-04-09 10:52:05 AM  
I'm glad it was a knife and not a gun. I'm glad that meant there's only one kid needing surgery and nearly two dozen wounded, instead of a few dead kids and fewer walking away wounded.
 
2014-04-09 10:52:44 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


These people didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_knife_attacks
 
2014-04-09 10:53:05 AM  

www.geekologie.com

Now this is an assault knife.

 
2014-04-09 10:53:11 AM  
It's been a while since we've had a good, old-fashioned amok trot.
 
2014-04-09 10:53:29 AM  

d23: Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


Yeah.  That means less dangerous.
 
2014-04-09 10:53:57 AM  

Chris Ween: [www.geekologie.com image 450x450]Now this is an assault knife.


OMG I want that for my collection - that is farking hilarious
 
2014-04-09 10:54:06 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?

Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics


My point is that people get stabbed in vital organs, too. As a mater of fact, that's exactly what's going on at the hospital right now. I mean, I understand that the knife isn't as useful to you in your gaming environment, but it reality a stab wound can fit all of those things that you think are only related to guns.


You're more than welcome to challenge the next person you see with a knife though, so that you can show that it can never puncture a lung, nick the heart, injure tghe liver or sever an artery, since it's only guns that do that.
 
2014-04-09 10:54:21 AM  

TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.


It took me more than a minute, because I didn't believe there wasn't a trick question in there. I'm thinking, no way it's THIS easy.
 
2014-04-09 10:55:38 AM  

Johnny Texas: The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


And the stats from Sandy Hook? From quick research it looks like: 28 shot. 28 dead. Granted, this is an extreme example. How about a more comparable example such as the VA tech shootings: 49 shot, 32 dead.

It can be argued that a single serious knife wound can be as deadly as a single gunshot wound.  I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

So should we ban guns? post armed guards? [insert extreme "solution here"]? No. These cases are extraordinarily rare and are (despite media sensation) NOT becoming more common. The same reasonable precautions taken 20 years ago require no updating.  Although it may feel like "we HAVE to do SOMETHING!", we do not.
 
2014-04-09 10:56:52 AM  
Guys we should be more like the UK
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 10:56:56 AM  
See! Gun control works! Instead of crazed schizophrenics running through schools shooting people, we have crazed schizophrenics running through schools stabbing people! Check and mate gun nuts!
 
2014-04-09 10:57:17 AM  

TNel: MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)

If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsid ...


A basic literacy test shouldn't be terribly difficult, either.
 
2014-04-09 10:57:42 AM  

Chris Ween: [www.geekologie.com image 450x450]Now this is an assault knife.


"How will I afford to buy that and something for my girlfriend?" said no one.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:08 AM  

Chris Ween: Now this is an assault knife.


It's the little skulls for knuckles that really sell it.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:20 AM  

Mikey1969: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

And what were knives designed "specifically" for? Killing, gutting and skinning animals. Interesting.


I think you meant 'interdasting'.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:43 AM  

Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.


At least you admit it's just a feeling.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:58 AM  
I'm not surprised to see the KNIFE NABBERS are in full effect in this thread.  When will you learn that the only thing to stop a bad guy with a cleaver is a good guy with a kirpan?
 
2014-04-09 10:59:35 AM  
Is this one of those fabled student/teacher orgies I hear so much about?

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-09 10:59:42 AM  

jaybeezey: skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.

This is likely because kids being let of school early will often not return home immediately and they don't want a bunch of panicky parents thinking their kid is among the wounded if they are not.


additionally they may not have contact information for all the parents. forcing them to check in lets them make contact with the folks who did have an injured child. not to mention it isn't like the schools know that much about how people get home or where they would even go. they don't want to tell a shiat ton of parents there kid is probably fine but they have no idea where they are now.

this is stupid anyways. if 20 people just got stabbed at your kids school and you think it is a major interuption to go get them and make sure they are ok you are a horrible person. I mean wtf?
 
2014-04-09 10:59:58 AM  

Kome: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

Yes, but let's not pretend that the availability of weapons that are more efficient at inflicting harm upon others aren't a factor in this equation. The desire that some people have to hurt others is a major issue, that we as a society desperately need to seriously address. That doesn't mean that, until that issue is addressed, we shouldn't do anything at all about access to weapons that make it much easier to hurt more people more severely.


Here's the problem.

Actions like this are done by impulsive people. Impulsive people who grab the nearest firearms they have access to (typically shotguns or rifles, assault or otherwise) and perpetrate their headline-making spree of madness.
But the real problem is that most of the gun-associated crime is performed with handguns. And those people plan ahead. They tend to be meticulous and prepared as shiat, because handgun violence is associated with the black market economy, not random acts of violence.
 
2014-04-09 11:00:02 AM  

ShadowKamui: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

These people didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_knife_attacks


There's a difference between a kid with a knife and 8 men with knives, just like there would likely be a significant difference in killcount between a kid with a gun and 8 men with guns.
 
2014-04-09 11:00:40 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm not surprised to see the KNIFE NABBERS are in full effect in this thread.  When will you learn that the only thing to stop a bad guy with a cleaver is a good guy with a kirpan?


YOU CAN HAVE MY FALX WHEN YOU PRY IT OUT OF MY COLD, DEAD HAND... which is over there because cutting your own hand off is really easy with a falx. It's like a scythe made for arms.
 
2014-04-09 11:01:08 AM  
I could make a joke; but I have--

(•_•). ( •_•)>⌐□-□. (⌐□_□)

Class.
 
2014-04-09 11:02:21 AM  

Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?

Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics

My point is that people get stabbed in vital organs, too. As a mater of fact, that's exactly what's going on at the hospital right now. I mean, I understand that the knife isn't as useful to you in your gaming environment, but it reality a stab wound can fit all of those things that you think are only related to guns.


You're more than welcome to challenge the next person you see with a knife though, so that you can show that it can never puncture a lung, nick the heart, injure tghe liver or sever an artery, since it's only guns that do that.


So I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  Let me make it all Hellen Keller for you:

THE DATA SAYS THAT THE FATALITY RATE IS NEARLY THE SAME AS BEING SHOT.
 
2014-04-09 11:02:39 AM  

doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.


Knives and guns are both deadly.

Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?
 
2014-04-09 11:02:41 AM  

Belias: Johnny Texas: The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.

And the stats from Sandy Hook? From quick research it looks like: 28 shot. 28 dead. Granted, this is an extreme example. How about a more comparable example such as the VA tech shootings: 49 shot, 32 dead.

It can be argued that a single serious knife wound can be as deadly as a single gunshot wound.  I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.


You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:05 AM  
Best Princess Celestia

(•_•). ( •_•)>⌐□-□. (⌐□_□)

That's beautiful. Consider it viked.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:17 AM  
Funny how the repeat greenlit thread of this incident now has 230 more posts than the original.

/That, or there were two mass stabbings at this school today
 
2014-04-09 11:03:18 AM  
static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-04-09 11:03:32 AM  
Well, I have to say that this perp was thinking outside the boxcutters.
 
2014-04-09 11:04:09 AM  

Publikwerks: Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?

Because all the retards who think that any sort of gun registration/mental health check = gun grabbing have blown their saved up load of wharbagarble before anything remotely resembling an argument could form.

The bottom line is that this is a sad occurrence, but it would have been alot worse if he had a gun. And if we could get past all the BS, maybe we could figure out a way to keep guns out of the hand of people who would do these type of attacks. So that the headlines would stay 20 injured instead of 20 killed


is there a single school shooting a gun registration would have stopped?
 
2014-04-09 11:04:37 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


Dammit!! I was about 200+ comments too late to make this exact joke!
 
2014-04-09 11:05:15 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies
 
2014-04-09 11:05:25 AM  

Frank N Stein: [static.fjcdn.com image 467x624]


Get with the times, they break bottles and stab people with the broken glass.  They don't need to buy any stinking knives.
 
2014-04-09 11:05:29 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Please elaborate on your FASCINATING theory of how vital organs are knife proof?

Gun, knife, it doesn't matter. Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem. The answer isn't "OMG! A GUN!!!!!" It should be "What can we do to identify these people and get them help before they ever get to the point that these assaults seem like a viable option no matter WHAT weapon is used."
 
2014-04-09 11:06:12 AM  

The Bestest: ShadowKamui: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

These people didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_knife_attacks

There's a difference between a kid with a knife and 8 men with knives, just like there would likely be a significant difference in killcount between a kid with a gun and 8 men with guns.


One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488
 
2014-04-09 11:06:44 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Frank N Stein: [static.fjcdn.com image 467x624]

Get with the times, they break bottles and stab people with the broken glass.  They don't need to buy any stinking knives.


Time for glass control
 
2014-04-09 11:06:50 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Are you out of your mind? I'll bet money several of these students will require stitches! Guns are no more dangerous than pillows!1

1Actual statement by actual 2nd Amendment absolutist!2
2It goes too far, I suppose, to say this statement conclusively proves the subhuman IQ of the typical 2nd Amendment absolutist.3
3But not by much; they routinely make less extreme versions of this statement. I.e., "Guns are no more dangerous than knives," etc.
 
2014-04-09 11:07:00 AM  
"Faustus" Scene III l. 74

"Why this is Hell nor am I out of it."
 
2014-04-09 11:07:20 AM  
If he had one of these, this never would have happened....img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 11:07:27 AM  

SeaMan Stainz: syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.

What if this had happened at a clown college?


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 11:07:30 AM  

FullMetalPanda: I'm not going to let you damn knife grabbers take away my knives!!!  I just bought the 126 knife set from the home shopping network!!!    For 49.95 plus shipping!  Take that knife grabbers!


I grab knives for fun

upload.wikimedia.org

img1.wikia.nocookie.net

 
2014-04-09 11:08:04 AM  
The only solution is for teachers and school staff to carry swords!
 
2014-04-09 11:08:14 AM  

FnkyTwn: You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.


Oh yeah? Well how about financial impact, eh??? Let's consider that, shall we?

Death by gun: $10,000 funeral
Injury by knife: $375,000 hospital costs

Hmm... you may have a point after all.
 
2014-04-09 11:09:09 AM  
Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?
 
2014-04-09 11:09:13 AM  

FnkyTwn: You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.


Yes dying vs living, but rehab and therapy.  A toss up that one.
 
2014-04-09 11:10:05 AM  

ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488


not sure what your point is
 
2014-04-09 11:10:28 AM  

BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?


Wait, how many years has it been since columbine?  About 15, right?
 
2014-04-09 11:10:48 AM  

doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.


Oh It's more than a feeling
More than a feeling
When I hear that old song they used to play
More than a feeling
And I begin dreaming
More than a feeling
'Til I see Mary Ann walk away
I see my Mary Ann walkin' away
 
2014-04-09 11:11:03 AM  

The Bestest: doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.

Knives and guns are both deadly.

Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?


Absolutely not. Knives are way scary. Also there's guns and then there's guns. There's knives and there's knives.

A 6" knife is like a .22 revolver or very powerful pellet gun. A deer rifle is more akin to a glaive.

3.bp.blogspot.com

You wanna tell me a .306 round does more or less tissue damage than a naginata? I think it's academic at that point.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:05 AM  
Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:33 AM  

BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?


zero tolerence administrations. its an entire generation of people needing simple guidelines and breaking them is delt with severely, meanwhile no one ever is allowed to use any common sense.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:49 AM  
96% of "poor households" have access to a knife.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:54 AM  

TwoHead: A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.


Yeah, but sometimes you do run out of filled soul gems to recharge it's enchantment.

/why yes, I am playing way too much Skyrim lately
 
2014-04-09 11:12:16 AM  
This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.
 
2014-04-09 11:12:40 AM  

starsrift: Kome: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

Yes, but let's not pretend that the availability of weapons that are more efficient at inflicting harm upon others aren't a factor in this equation. The desire that some people have to hurt others is a major issue, that we as a society desperately need to seriously address. That doesn't mean that, until that issue is addressed, we shouldn't do anything at all about access to weapons that make it much easier to hurt more people more severely.

Here's the problem.

Actions like this are done by impulsive people. Impulsive people who grab the nearest firearms they have access to (typically shotguns or rifles, assault or otherwise) and perpetrate their headline-making spree of madness.
But the real problem is that most of the gun-associated crime is performed with handguns. And those people plan ahead. They tend to be meticulous and prepared as shiat, because handgun violence is associated with the black market economy, not random acts of violence.


And...? I do not disagree with anything you've said (I mean, I could quibble with certain qualifiers, like "most" or "tend to be", but that is at best a tangential semantic disagreement and not really substantive), but I fail to see how it acts as a counter to anything I wrote. Of course, it's already a busy morning and I haven't had any coffee yet, so perhaps there is something I'm not getting about your post. Would you please elaborate for me?
 
2014-04-09 11:12:46 AM  

doglover: You wanna tell me a .306 round does more or less tissue damage than a naginata?


Nanginata Please
 
2014-04-09 11:13:04 AM  
16 year old... wonder if they'll charge him as an adult.  Attempted murder?  Also, what IS it about the month of April and this kind of knucklehead shiat?
 
2014-04-09 11:13:10 AM  

Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.


Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?
 
2014-04-09 11:13:41 AM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: This thread is gonna be really really fun...

How many deaths would there have been if a gun was used instead of a knife?
/trollface.jpg


Yep.  And I've gotten to this post so far...

www.reactiongifs.us
 
2014-04-09 11:13:43 AM  
Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.
 
2014-04-09 11:14:01 AM  

nekom: 16 year old... wonder if they'll charge him as an adult.  Attempted murder?  Also, what IS it about the month of April and this kind of knucklehead shiat?


We call it suicide season herein vermont.
 
2014-04-09 11:15:00 AM  

nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.


that you, Meow?
 
2014-04-09 11:15:04 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?

Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics

My point is that people get stabbed in vital organs, too. As a mater of fact, that's exactly what's going on at the hospital right now. I mean, I understand that the knife isn't as useful to you in your gaming environment, but it reality a stab wound can fit all of those things that you think are only related to guns.


You're more than welcome to challenge the next person you see with a knife though, so that you can show that it can never puncture a lung, nick the heart, injure tghe liver or sever an artery, since it's only guns that do that.

So I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  Let me make it all Hellen Keller for you:

THE DATA SAYS THAT THE FATALITY RATE IS NEA ...


I was addressing the other poster's Weeners time, got that shiat crossed up. Now it's like the Gordian Knot trying to figure out how I answered you instead of him.

BTW, all caps wouldn't have worked for Hellen Keller. The least you could have done is posted it in Braille dots so the insult would work.
 
2014-04-09 11:15:20 AM  

The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is


That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies
 
2014-04-09 11:15:38 AM  

Magorn: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies


Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.

Go back to spreading your idiotic tripe this way, and MAYBE you would have an argument.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 11:15:54 AM  

Kome: And...? I do not disagree with anything you've said (I mean, I could quibble with certain qualifiers, like "most" or "tend to be", but that is at best a tangential semantic disagreement and not really substantive), but I fail to see how it acts as a counter to anything I wrote. Of course, it's already a busy morning and I haven't had any coffee yet, so perhaps there is something I'm not getting about your post. Would you please elaborate for me?


What I left unsaid is that because of hunting, fishing, and other sports, long-arms will never be restricted, and sprees of madness will always occur with them. The US isn't like Japan or Britain where they've already exterminated all of the natural predators and pests.
 
2014-04-09 11:16:05 AM  
Ban knives, screwdrivers, any pieces of metal and wood that can be sharpened to a point, pencils and pens, nails, screws, so on and so forth, immediately!!!
Let's start a petition right now and see how far that goes....
 
2014-04-09 11:16:12 AM  
All knives should be replaced with Sporks:

www.proforceequipment.com
 
2014-04-09 11:16:19 AM  
In Pittsburgh, this is known as the Immaculate Dissection.
 
2014-04-09 11:16:33 AM  
Time to ban assault knives.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:01 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.


They also intended the second amendment to apply only on the federal level. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that it also applied to states.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:18 AM  

tblax: Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.

Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?


Don't you get tired of ACTUAL politicians making the same stupid statements in earnest?

Read a damn history book. There's many good reasons the bill of rights was written the way it was that apply in every age of man. The factors leading to violent crimes are almost 100% socioeconomic and are almost always solved when those problems are addressed. Over legislation destroys societies. Every head of "draconian" law? Draconis was a real dude. Guess how well it worked out for him.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:41 AM  
I see it's been covered, but the whole argument that "people would kill with a knife if they didn't have a gun" just went to total shiat.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:42 AM  

ShadowKamui: hat maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies


Wow. Did you use a trampoline for that leap?
 
2014-04-09 11:17:51 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Guns also make a *really* loud noise, which helps to alert potential victims.
 
2014-04-09 11:18:39 AM  

ferretman: All knives should be replaced with Sporks:

[www.proforceequipment.com image 800x800]


That's an assault sport, its black and has a serrated edge
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:18:51 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.


isn't this what "orginalism" is all about.

Actually... orginalism is like all other current political "principles", and that is it is only applied when it is in their favor.
 
2014-04-09 11:18:58 AM  
It's time to ban all high school students
 
2014-04-09 11:19:12 AM  

ShadowKamui: The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is

That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies


Well, only if you stop considering dead and inured kids as the price of doing business.
 
2014-04-09 11:19:58 AM  

nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.


Yeah. I'd actually be more sympathetic to the pro gun cause if they weren't so Goddamn douchy about it.
 
2014-04-09 11:20:09 AM  
What really sucks is that someone pulled the fire alarm... The press conference people haven't been able to verify who did it, but if it was the attacker, it's a nice way to get a crowd together, and if it was a student or faculty member trying to "clear" the school, let's just say that it is a nice way to get a crowd together. If someone pulled this, trying to help, and it turns out that the attacker was able to increase his victim pool by even one as a result, that person is going to carry that weight for a long time.
 
2014-04-09 11:20:30 AM  

Cold_Sassy: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Guns also make a *really* loud noise, which helps to alert potential victims.


and they smell bad and make a mess
 
2014-04-09 11:21:22 AM  
TwoHead: "A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo."

Which is why every responsible citizen eschews firearms in favor of a self-defense knife by their bed, and on their person, in case of a home invasion or Red Dawn.
 
2014-04-09 11:21:34 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.


Context requires objectivity.
 
2014-04-09 11:21:47 AM  

TNel: MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)
 
If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsid ...


Well, except for the part that is different from state to state, and sometimes city to city, sure...
 
2014-04-09 11:22:11 AM  

ringersol: TwoHead: "A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo."

Which is why every responsible citizen eschews firearms in favor of a self-defense knife by their bed, and on their person, in case of a home invasion or Red Dawn.


Or the King of England.
 
2014-04-09 11:22:33 AM  

Publikwerks: ShadowKamui: The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is

That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies

Well, only if you stop considering dead and inured kids as the price of doing business.


What is an acceptable level? Let's be honest it isn't 0 or nearly every activity out there would be banned.
 
2014-04-09 11:22:33 AM  

NutWrench: That knife probably had a camo-colored blade and a rubberized grip. That's the real problem.
We need to ban "assault" knives with scarey attachments.


Well...you're probably one of the derpers who believe that unless you can identify the worlds arsenal, you shouldn't have an opinion on gun control. That about right?


Allow me to counter: unless you have a good command of the English language, you don't get to have any opinions.


Scary.

Not scarey
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:22:42 AM  

AngryDragon: Facetious_Speciest: Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.

Context requires objectivity.


Every principle adopted by the far Right is simply a means to promote the ends they want.  That's all.

//Democrats are not really any better...
 
2014-04-09 11:23:45 AM  

Lord_Baull: I see it's been covered, but the whole argument that "people would kill with a knife if they didn't have a gun" just went to total shiat.


It's always been shiat, though.
 
2014-04-09 11:23:52 AM  

thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.


Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.


No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.
 
2014-04-09 11:24:29 AM  

doglover: tblax: Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.

Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?

Don't you get tired of ACTUAL politicians making the same stupid statements in earnest?

Read a damn history book. There's many good reasons the bill of rights was written the way it was that apply in every age of man. The factors leading to violent crimes are almost 100% socioeconomic and are almost always solved when those problems are addressed. Over legislation destroys societies. Every head of "draconian" law? Draconis was a real dude. Guess how well it worked out for him.


So that's a no, I guess?
 
2014-04-09 11:24:31 AM  

TheMega: Ban knives, screwdrivers, any pieces of metal and wood that can be sharpened to a point, pencils and pens, nails, screws, so on and so forth, immediately!!!
Let's start a petition right now and see how far that goes....


Why?  No one died.  It's not like this was a gun attack.
 
2014-04-09 11:24:44 AM  
Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?
 
2014-04-09 11:25:19 AM  
Publikwerks

They also intended the second amendment to apply only on the federal level. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that it also applied to states.

Largely unimportant in practice, as most state constitutions also affirm a right to bear arms. Further, we have a general understanding in this country that limits placed on the federal government can't be contradicted by state governments, i.e., Utah can't declare that the official and compulsory religion of Utah is Mormonism, because the supreme law of the land (that government can't force religious affiliation, in this case) trumps that.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
 
2014-04-09 11:25:27 AM  
So we should ban knives now?  Because we've learned how fantastically great prohibition works, right dip shiats?
 
2014-04-09 11:25:32 AM  
He was able to stab twenty people because a knife isn't as clumsy or random as a gun.
 
2014-04-09 11:25:44 AM  

dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?


There are reports of up to 11 people dead.
 
2014-04-09 11:26:37 AM  

Baz744: thefatbasturd: Gun, knife, it doesn't matter.

Gun, knife; it matters because guns have a much higher lethality rate than knives. Guns are objectively more dangerous than knives. To deny this conclusively proves you are stupid or evil.

thefatbasturd: Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem.

No. People concerned about firearms safety are in no way part of the problem. Stupid or evil people who deny that guns are objectively more dangerous than nearly all other commonly used instruments of murder, however, are part of the problem.

This is doubly true because the people most likely to support compassionate, progressive mental health policy cross over heavily with the people concerned about firearms safety; while the people who support draconian or judgmental responses to assorted abnormal behaviors which may be predictive in these cases (thereby encouraging affected individuals to hide their abnormalities rather than seek support to address them) cross over heavily with the stupid and evil people who say guns are no more dangerous than pillows.

Moreover, those who support generous public funding of mental health support cross over heavily with the first group; those who believe public funding for anything other than the military and police constitutes tyranny cross over heavily with the second group.

Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places. But those who favor them are far less likely to be part of the problem than are the stupid and evil people who maintain that guns are no more dangerous than pillows/knives/milk/a bag of walnuts.


Hey, it's Time Cube guy. He's moved on to gun control, now.
 
2014-04-09 11:26:43 AM  

doglover: Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?


Absolutely not. Knives are way scary.


Which is, of course, why the knife is the preferred weapon for soldiers.

Are you seriously arguing that a kid in a school with a knife is likely do to more damage than a kid in a school with a gun?  Is this real or am I being punked?
 
2014-04-09 11:27:50 AM  

deanis: Another Government Employee: Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.

For kids? WTF man?


Get the aggression out early.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:02 AM  

vudukungfu: nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.

that you, Meow?



You guys are real  crazy, hey look out for these guys. Hell I can say "meow". I can say "moo", for twenty bucks  I'll call the guy a  chickenfarker

Don't know who Meow is.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:05 AM  

doglover: The Bestest: doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.

Knives and guns are both deadly.

Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?

Absolutely not. Knives are way scary. Also there's guns and then there's guns. There's knives and there's knives.

A 6" knife is like a .22 revolver or very powerful pellet gun. A deer rifle is more akin to a glaive.

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You wanna tell me a .306 round does more or less tissue damage than a naginata? I think it's academic at that point.


Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker. Even if I have my own gun in a holster, it's unlikely I'll get it out in time to save my life, and EVEN IF I DO draw like lightning, if his bullets are in the air, I'm not blocking them or shooting them out of their direct line to my head with my gun.

Whereas I can block a naginata blow with a stack of books I'm carrying to class, or with any common object I pick up. I can even block it (painfully) with my forearm if I move in close enough. Since he's using a melee weapon, he has to get close to me (though not as close as with a hunting knife) and that gives me extra seconds, extra opportunities, extra chances to live AND take down my attacker.

So you ask about whether I'd prefer a guy firing .306 rounds at me from 50 yards away, or taking a swing at me with a naginata 6-9 feet away, I'll take the guy swinging an polearm over the guy with a gun any day.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:10 AM  

probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.


source?
 
2014-04-09 11:28:32 AM  

NickelP: Publikwerks: ShadowKamui: The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is

That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies

Well, only if you stop considering dead and inured kids as the price of doing business.

What is an acceptable level? Let's be honest it isn't 0 or nearly every activity out there would be banned.


I'm not sure. But currently the level seems to be set at  ∞
 
2014-04-09 11:28:46 AM  
ITT: Calls to "ban knives" in an attempt to satirize largely nonexistant calls to "ban guns".
 
2014-04-09 11:28:54 AM  
If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

www.wpw-lock.net
 
2014-04-09 11:28:55 AM  

Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?


Yeah, since it's never actually happened, we have no way to know what might happen!

If you're really here to argue that guns aren't more effective for killing living things than knives, than why the hell would you ever want a gun?
When is knife hunting season?
I have a kitchen full of knives, why would I need a gun for home defense?
I'm not cooking and eating *that* chicken.
 
2014-04-09 11:29:11 AM  

The Bestest: probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.

source?


No source, it's just what I'm reporting.
 
2014-04-09 11:30:01 AM  

trappedspirit: So we should ban knives now?  Because we've learned how fantastically great prohibition works, right dip shiats?


Considering no one died, this seems like a dumb argument to make.
 
2014-04-09 11:31:02 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: Magorn: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies

Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.

Go back to spreading your idiotic tripe this way, and MAYBE you would have an argument.

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Hey *I* am not an "Originalist" but a "Living Constitution" guy.   Its the Conservatives who espouse originialism and as Articulated by Nino Scalia, that means that every word in the Constitution means exactly, no more or less, what it meant in 1789 when the Constitution was written.  Thus, as was Argued in  Bowers v. Hardwick, the 14th amendment's right to privacy could NOT mean that it protected against criminalizing the conduct of two consenting adults behind closed doors, since when the 14th amendment was written, sodomy was illegal in nearly every state in the Union.

Apply that logic to the 2nd and you get Flintlocks and Cannon, no more no less.   And yes that would preclude television and radio from the 1st amendment as well but not the internet since this is also the printed word which existed in 1789.
 
2014-04-09 11:31:02 AM  

probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.


Last I checked on CNN they said nobody was dead. There are 7 with critical injuries expected to survive.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/justice/pennsylvania-school-stabbing/i nd ex.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
2014-04-09 11:31:35 AM  

nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.


The more accurate take-away is that neither guns nor knives nor sticks are responsible for hurting people; it's the people who wield them that are responsible. Arguments about relative per-weapon carnage do not address the cause of the violence or offer a solution at all. Making any object illegal does little to stop those people from committing violence. Banning anything doesn't actually remove much of a threat from anyone who does not obey the rule of law.

There are reasons for the violence that occurred today and I doubt that access to weapons of any kind are the cause of it.
 
2014-04-09 11:32:28 AM  

naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.


i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-09 11:32:47 AM  

probesport: The Bestest: probesport: dkimball: Oh boy..here we go with guns/knives...

Anyway, how many people got killed by this knife attack?

There are reports of up to 11 people dead.

source?

No source, it's just what I'm reporting.


Ah, gotcha.. I have a notoriously awful sarcasm/snark detector.

Trufax, though, last report I saw said 7 critical, but no fatalities yet.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:33:13 AM  
First images of the killer coming in

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-09 11:33:15 AM  

meow said the dog: If the guards and teachers in the school of this had the gun this would have had the ending in mere seconds so the argument of you has invalidity.



yea!  shoot 'em up!  baby!

 a fire fight would be like the movies, man.
 
2014-04-09 11:33:27 AM  
Nix Nightbird

Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker.


I would also very much prefer to be attacked with a naginata than a firearm. That being said, don't be surprised if you get 21' ruled.
 
hej [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 11:33:36 AM  
Has anybody made a joke yet about how this means all students should carry knives?
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:34:10 AM  

SurelyShirley: naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.

[i59.tinypic.com image 458x617]

 
2014-04-09 11:34:15 AM  
One saving grace in all this is that Pittsburgh has no shortage of excellent hospitals.  The victims are in the very best of hands.
 
2014-04-09 11:34:15 AM  
static.flickr.com
I'm gonna go listen to Linkin Park stab 20 kids.
 
2014-04-09 11:34:32 AM  

Magorn: Hey *I* am not an "Originalist" but a "Living Constitution" guy.   Its the Conservatives who espouse originialism and as Articulated by Nino Scalia, that means that every word in the Constitution means exactly, no more or less, what it meant in 1789 when the Constitution was written.  Thus, as was Argued in  Bowers v. Hardwick, the 14th amendment's right to privacy could NOT mean that it protected against criminalizing the conduct of two consenting adults behind closed doors, since when the 14th amendment was written, sodomy was illegal in nearly every state in the Union.

Apply that logic to the 2nd and you get Flintlocks and Cannon, no more no less.   And yes that would preclude television and radio from the 1st amendment as well but not the internet since this is also the printed word which existed in 1789.


I would have zero problems with everyone being armed with flintlocks, muzzle-loaders, and other black powder weapons common in 1789. That would be fine. People could still hunt and protect their homestead, but they'd have a really hard time blasting 50 people in 20 seconds, unless they brought a LOT of guns to their massacre.
 
2014-04-09 11:34:53 AM  

wambu: nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.

The more accurate take-away is that neither guns nor knives nor sticks are responsible for hurting people; it's the people who wield them that are responsible. Arguments about relative per-weapon carnage do not address the cause of the violence or offer a solution at all. Making any object illegal does little to stop those people from committing violence. Banning anything doesn't actually remove much of a threat from anyone who does not obey the rule of law.

There are reasons for the violence that occurred today and I doubt that access to weapons of any kind are the cause of it.


I don't think a ban is effective either. But I do wonder if there are ways to limit who can buy a gun to help keep the crazies away from them.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:34:58 AM  

d23: SurelyShirley: naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.

[i59.tinypic.com image 458x617]


crypes

static.yo-video.net
 
2014-04-09 11:36:04 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Nix Nightbird

Here's the difference: If a guy comes at me with a naginata, or any other kind of bladed weapon, I have a FAR better chance to dodge, block the attack, and close with my attacker to take him down.

If a guy walks in the door with a gun, I'm not blocking or dodging shiat. I'm very likely not going to get close enough to enter melee combat with the attacker.

I would also very much prefer to be attacked with a naginata than a firearm. That being said, don't be surprised if you get 21' ruled.


I can also RUN AWAY from a guy with a naginata. He would have to run to catch me and kill me. The guy with a gun can stand there and pick me off.

Again, I'd prefer mass attackers to be armed with melee weapons. Most definitely.
 
2014-04-09 11:36:05 AM  
6 P.M News: 'murica is a fading Democratic Republic. the wealthy/big business has all but taken over its government, leaving the bottom ~98% without a voice in their Government. Violence is increasing across the Land.

Tune in to our 11 P.M. broadcast for explanations..............
 
2014-04-09 11:36:46 AM  

NightOwl2255: brokendownyota: Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.

Yet at Sandy Hook, there were next to no wounded people, they all died. A drive by spraying 9mm bullets at people 50 feet away is not the same as getting shot by a .223 in the head or chest from a few feet away.


Also, little kids have fewer hit-points.
 
2014-04-09 11:37:12 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.

[www.wpw-lock.net image 555x741]


God these are a stupid idea.

They can't get a biometric sensor to unlock a phone or laptop reliably in one try if you're lying comfortably in bed.  I'm going to rely on a fingerprint reader on a firearm in a self-defense situation where adrenaline has shot my fine motor skills?

What retards come up with these ideas?
 
2014-04-09 11:37:22 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: If the security guard was armed with a firearm, there would have likely been far fewer injured students - just one knife wielding maniac on the slab.


Also true if the security guard is armed with a taser.  And then the knife wielding maniac lives too.
 
2014-04-09 11:38:06 AM  

GnomePaladin: doglover: Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?


Absolutely not. Knives are way scary.

Which is, of course, why the knife is the preferred weapon for soldiers.

Are you seriously arguing that a kid in a school with a knife is likely do to more damage than a kid in a school with a gun?  Is this real or am I being punked?


Physics, how the hell do they work?

Projectile weapons are the preferred of any warrior. In ancient times, archers did terrible damage and almost every royal who fell in Europe was struck down by arrows, because no one with a sword could reach them through their bodyguard. As time marched on guns came in to play and have advanced to the point where they are superior to the bow. Of course you do more damage at a distance than close up.

That said, the trauma from a bullet isn't somehow more deadly just because a bullet caused it. It's just trauma, and any of it is bad. And to compare a high powered rifle to a kitchen knife is disingenuous. Those rounds are designed to blow though deer and elk. You have to compare them to swords and pole weapons. A knife is more like a .22. And given the choice, I'd take the .22.
 
2014-04-09 11:38:22 AM  
We're all done here.

i58.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-09 11:38:31 AM  

Baz744: Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places.



And what enhanced "gun safety" laws do you want to see passed?
 
2014-04-09 11:38:47 AM  

lennavan: Also true if the security guard is armed with a taser.  And then the knife wielding maniac lives too.



But we don't need them to live, perhaps an unrealistically strong taser?
 
2014-04-09 11:38:51 AM  
I know!!


Outlaw Knives!!

Problem solved!


People don't kill people, Knives kill people!!
 
2014-04-09 11:38:53 AM  

Skyrmion: NightOwl2255: brokendownyota: Tell me more about how every single gunshot wound is immediately fatal.

Yet at Sandy Hook, there were next to no wounded people, they all died. A drive by spraying 9mm bullets at people 50 feet away is not the same as getting shot by a .223 in the head or chest from a few feet away.

Also, little kids have fewer hit-points.


Oh that's terrible.... ly funny.
 
2014-04-09 11:40:50 AM  

gadian: BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?

Wait, how many years has it been since columbine?  About 15, right?


And it was shocking precisely because it was unheard-of at the time. It's been downhill ever since, to the point that these situations are now "ho-hum, how can I use this to score political points?" events anymore.
 
2014-04-09 11:40:58 AM  
Things that I dont like I want the government to ban.
Things I do like I want the government to require.
because I love freedom.  This is why I vote democrat.
 
2014-04-09 11:41:24 AM  
doglover

Projectile weapons are the preferred of any warrior.

Historically untrue. That's why knights could get slaughtered by peasants.
 
2014-04-09 11:41:29 AM  
Let's be sure to focus the discussion on what type of weapon he had, rather than on his lack of psychiatric help.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:42:04 AM  

The_Sponge: Baz744: Enhanced gun safety laws may or may not be part of the solution to the problem of mass violence in schools and public places.


And what enhanced "gun safety" laws do you want to see passed?



Let's diagram this argument out.

1) We don't know exactly the best way to write a "gun safety" law.
2) Therefore, lets not do it.

I am glad the Apollo program didn't take the same approach.
 
2014-04-09 11:42:17 AM  

SurelyShirley: naughtyrev: Think about how long it would take me to reload a tank, and I'd probably need help with operating it. That's even safer. I want a government issued tank.

[i59.tinypic.com image 458x617]


Now that's my kind of tank.
 
2014-04-09 11:42:28 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: Things that I dont like I want the government to ban.
Things I do like I want the government to require.
because I love freedom.  This is why I vote democrat.


Your syllable counts are off for your haiku. You need to clean that up.
 
2014-04-09 11:43:00 AM  
BigNumber12:
And it was shocking precisely because it was unheard-of at the time. It's been downhill ever since, to the point that these situations are now "ho-hum, how can I use this to score political points?" events anymore.

To hell with political points, how do we solve the problems?  Problem #1:  People go on rampages.  How do we make that less frequent?  Problem #2:  Not in this case, but in many cases those people get their hands on a gun.  How can we prevent this in the future?
 
2014-04-09 11:43:41 AM  

Walker: We need to ban knives!

/this is how they think in the UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4581871.stm


Those crazy doctors. They see many people coming in with stab wounds and want to do something about it. So they start researching the issue (and get published in the BMJ). All without any regard whatsoever for heated threads on internet fora. Stupid doctors.

Also "they" is one team from a university hospital. And this was almost a decade ago.

/don't necessarily agree with them
 
2014-04-09 11:44:04 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: doglover

Projectile weapons are the preferred of any warrior.

Historically untrue. That's why knights could get slaughtered by peasants.


4.bp.blogspot.com
The peasants had projectile weapons.
 
2014-04-09 11:44:51 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: Things that I dont like I want the government to ban.
Things I do like I want the government to require.
because I love freedom.  This is why I vote democrat.


Sounds like a conservative thing considering how much they want to ban abortions and gay marriage.
 
2014-04-09 11:45:00 AM  
Are Pennsylvania and Colorado in some kind of twisted competition that we don't know about?
 
2014-04-09 11:45:12 AM  
Theaetetus

The peasants had projectile weapons.

Kinda my point.
 
2014-04-09 11:45:42 AM  

syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.


Please return your Fark card immediately, it has been revoked.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:45:49 AM  

Theaetetus: Facetious_Speciest: doglover

Projectile weapons are the preferred of any warrior.

Historically untrue. That's why knights could get slaughtered by peasants.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x442]
The peasants had projectile weapons.


They were also in an anarcho-syndicalist commune, so helps.

//there is violence inherent in that system.
 
2014-04-09 11:48:03 AM  

Pincy: syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.

Please return your Fark card immediately, it has been revoked.


Just thankful no one died.
 
2014-04-09 11:48:37 AM  
Alright, I'm calling a moratorium on the "let's ban assault ____" jokes on this thread. It stopped being funny 7 3/4 pages ago.
 
2014-04-09 11:49:42 AM  

Theaetetus: Let's be sure to focus the discussion on what type of weapon he had, rather than on his lack of psychiatric help.


I'm gonna be honest here.. yes, I agree we could use better/more comprehensive mental health initiatives, but to what end?

A national database coupled with restrictions so that the Joker isn't able to buy an M-16 the day after getting out of Arkham? Sure.
Mandatory Rorschach tests for everyone in the second grade? I have a problem with that.

It's easy to just -say- "better mental health" in response to events like this, but what exactly do you mean when you say so?
 
2014-04-09 11:49:45 AM  

Mrtraveler01: I don't think a ban is effective either. But I do wonder if there are ways to limit who can buy a gun to help keep the crazies away from them.


Attempts to weed out people with mental health issues run afoul of privacy laws, the inconsistency of diagnoses and the fact that people with mental illnesses are often undiagnosed and untreated. This is why we, as a society, prefer to focus our anger on inanimate objects that are easier to identify and control so we can feel better about ourselves, even if we are not any more safe.
 
2014-04-09 11:50:24 AM  
Chris Ween:

img.fark.net


Now this is an assault knife.


Never has the ability to break your own wrist looked so badass.
 
2014-04-09 11:50:33 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Theaetetus

The peasants had projectile weapons.

Kinda my point.


Yes, but the preferred weapon of knights was peasants.
 
2014-04-09 11:51:13 AM  

AngryPanda: Alright, I'm calling a moratorium on the "let's ban assault ____" jokes on this thread. It stopped being funny 7 3/4 pages ago.


"let's ban assaults on free speech"
 
2014-04-09 11:51:13 AM  

Johnny Texas: ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?

I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


Let's check the stats for the Newtown shooting...
 
2014-04-09 11:51:16 AM  

wambu: Mrtraveler01: I don't think a ban is effective either. But I do wonder if there are ways to limit who can buy a gun to help keep the crazies away from them.

Attempts to weed out people with mental health issues run afoul of privacy laws, the inconsistency of diagnoses and the fact that people with mental illnesses are often undiagnosed and untreated. This is why we, as a society, prefer to focus our anger on inanimate objects that are easier to identify and control so we can feel better about ourselves, even if we are not any more safe.


So lets do nothing then.
 
2014-04-09 11:53:22 AM  

d23: They were also in an anarcho-syndicalist commune, so helps.

//there is violence inherent in that system.


I thought we were autonomous collective, but I was fooling myself.
 
2014-04-09 11:53:27 AM  

BigNumber12: gadian: BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?

Wait, how many years has it been since columbine?  About 15, right?

And it was shocking precisely because it was unheard-of at the time. It's been downhill ever since, to the point that these situations are now "ho-hum, how can I use this to score political points?" events anymore.


What else is there to talk about? You can't talk about how we are a society that worships violence, or that we are a society that worships guns AND violence. People don't want to admit that. Easier to just talk the politics.
 
2014-04-09 11:53:55 AM  

mediablitz: Johnny Texas: ikanreed: You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?

I never said that they weren't but it's a bit ridiculous to say that 20 shot people = 20 dead people.   The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.

Let's check the stats for the Newtown shooting...


Gunshot wounds have an 80-90% survivability rate with proper attention.
 
2014-04-09 11:54:42 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 11:55:11 AM  
doglover

Yes, but the preferred weapon of knights was peasants.

Lol. An excellent point.
 
2014-04-09 11:56:16 AM  

AngryPanda: Alright, I'm calling a moratorium on the "let's ban assault ____" jokes on this thread. It stopped being funny 7 3/4 pages ago.


I think you just don't understand how hilarious it is
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:56:30 AM  

gerrymander: [img.fark.net image 538x380]


This just came on the screen at some little high school somewhere... and at that somewhere the kid that viewed it is getting 9 months suspension because of the brand new "zero tolerance" policy that the egghead administrator just came up with.
 
2014-04-09 11:56:33 AM  

mediablitz: BigNumber12: gadian: BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?

Wait, how many years has it been since columbine?  About 15, right?

And it was shocking precisely because it was unheard-of at the time. It's been downhill ever since, to the point that these situations are now "ho-hum, how can I use this to score political points?" events anymore.

What else is there to talk about? You can't talk about how we are a society that worships violence, or that we are a society that worships guns AND violence. People don't want to admit that. Easier to just talk the politics.


Its a culture thing.

/wink wink nudge nudge
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-04-09 11:57:25 AM  

Mrtraveler01: mediablitz: BigNumber12: gadian: BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?

Wait, how many years has it been since columbine?  About 15, right?

And it was shocking precisely because it was unheard-of at the time. It's been downhill ever since, to the point that these situations are now "ho-hum, how can I use this to score political points?" events anymore.

What else is there to talk about? You can't talk about how we are a society that worships violence, or that we are a society that worships guns AND violence. People don't want to admit that. Easier to just talk the politics.

Its a culture thing.

/wink wink nudge nudge


I like sex, but it's banned from TV.