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(WPXI.com)   Reports that 20 students have been hurt after multiple stabbings at Franklin Regional High School near Pittsburgh   (wpxi.com) divider line 742
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2014-04-09 11:04:09 AM  

Publikwerks: Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?

Because all the retards who think that any sort of gun registration/mental health check = gun grabbing have blown their saved up load of wharbagarble before anything remotely resembling an argument could form.

The bottom line is that this is a sad occurrence, but it would have been alot worse if he had a gun. And if we could get past all the BS, maybe we could figure out a way to keep guns out of the hand of people who would do these type of attacks. So that the headlines would stay 20 injured instead of 20 killed


is there a single school shooting a gun registration would have stopped?
 
2014-04-09 11:04:37 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


Dammit!! I was about 200+ comments too late to make this exact joke!
 
2014-04-09 11:05:15 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies
 
2014-04-09 11:05:25 AM  

Frank N Stein: [static.fjcdn.com image 467x624]


Get with the times, they break bottles and stab people with the broken glass.  They don't need to buy any stinking knives.
 
2014-04-09 11:05:29 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Please elaborate on your FASCINATING theory of how vital organs are knife proof?

Gun, knife, it doesn't matter. Face it. If you are focusing all your fear and energy on whatever tool a school assailant is using, you are part of the problem. The answer isn't "OMG! A GUN!!!!!" It should be "What can we do to identify these people and get them help before they ever get to the point that these assaults seem like a viable option no matter WHAT weapon is used."
 
2014-04-09 11:06:12 AM  

The Bestest: ShadowKamui: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

These people didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_knife_attacks

There's a difference between a kid with a knife and 8 men with knives, just like there would likely be a significant difference in killcount between a kid with a gun and 8 men with guns.


One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488
 
2014-04-09 11:06:44 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Frank N Stein: [static.fjcdn.com image 467x624]

Get with the times, they break bottles and stab people with the broken glass.  They don't need to buy any stinking knives.


Time for glass control
 
2014-04-09 11:06:50 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Are you out of your mind? I'll bet money several of these students will require stitches! Guns are no more dangerous than pillows!1

1Actual statement by actual 2nd Amendment absolutist!2
2It goes too far, I suppose, to say this statement conclusively proves the subhuman IQ of the typical 2nd Amendment absolutist.3
3But not by much; they routinely make less extreme versions of this statement. I.e., "Guns are no more dangerous than knives," etc.
 
2014-04-09 11:07:00 AM  
"Faustus" Scene III l. 74

"Why this is Hell nor am I out of it."
 
2014-04-09 11:07:20 AM  
If he had one of these, this never would have happened....img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 11:07:27 AM  

SeaMan Stainz: syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.

What if this had happened at a clown college?


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2014-04-09 11:07:30 AM  

FullMetalPanda: I'm not going to let you damn knife grabbers take away my knives!!!  I just bought the 126 knife set from the home shopping network!!!    For 49.95 plus shipping!  Take that knife grabbers!


I grab knives for fun

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2014-04-09 11:08:04 AM  
The only solution is for teachers and school staff to carry swords!
 
2014-04-09 11:08:14 AM  

FnkyTwn: You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.


Oh yeah? Well how about financial impact, eh??? Let's consider that, shall we?

Death by gun: $10,000 funeral
Injury by knife: $375,000 hospital costs

Hmm... you may have a point after all.
 
2014-04-09 11:09:09 AM  
Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?
 
2014-04-09 11:09:13 AM  

FnkyTwn: You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.


Yes dying vs living, but rehab and therapy.  A toss up that one.
 
2014-04-09 11:10:05 AM  

ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488


not sure what your point is
 
2014-04-09 11:10:28 AM  

BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?


Wait, how many years has it been since columbine?  About 15, right?
 
2014-04-09 11:10:48 AM  

doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.


Oh It's more than a feeling
More than a feeling
When I hear that old song they used to play
More than a feeling
And I begin dreaming
More than a feeling
'Til I see Mary Ann walk away
I see my Mary Ann walkin' away
 
2014-04-09 11:11:03 AM  

The Bestest: doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.

Knives and guns are both deadly.

Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?


Absolutely not. Knives are way scary. Also there's guns and then there's guns. There's knives and there's knives.

A 6" knife is like a .22 revolver or very powerful pellet gun. A deer rifle is more akin to a glaive.

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You wanna tell me a .306 round does more or less tissue damage than a naginata? I think it's academic at that point.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:05 AM  
Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:33 AM  

BigNumber12: Kids today seem to be far more helpless and fragile than they were 15 years ago when I was in high school. What gives? Self-Esteem Parenting not working out, I guess?


zero tolerence administrations. its an entire generation of people needing simple guidelines and breaking them is delt with severely, meanwhile no one ever is allowed to use any common sense.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:49 AM  
96% of "poor households" have access to a knife.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:54 AM  

TwoHead: A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.


Yeah, but sometimes you do run out of filled soul gems to recharge it's enchantment.

/why yes, I am playing way too much Skyrim lately
 
2014-04-09 11:12:16 AM  
This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.
 
2014-04-09 11:12:40 AM  

starsrift: Kome: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

Yes, but let's not pretend that the availability of weapons that are more efficient at inflicting harm upon others aren't a factor in this equation. The desire that some people have to hurt others is a major issue, that we as a society desperately need to seriously address. That doesn't mean that, until that issue is addressed, we shouldn't do anything at all about access to weapons that make it much easier to hurt more people more severely.

Here's the problem.

Actions like this are done by impulsive people. Impulsive people who grab the nearest firearms they have access to (typically shotguns or rifles, assault or otherwise) and perpetrate their headline-making spree of madness.
But the real problem is that most of the gun-associated crime is performed with handguns. And those people plan ahead. They tend to be meticulous and prepared as shiat, because handgun violence is associated with the black market economy, not random acts of violence.


And...? I do not disagree with anything you've said (I mean, I could quibble with certain qualifiers, like "most" or "tend to be", but that is at best a tangential semantic disagreement and not really substantive), but I fail to see how it acts as a counter to anything I wrote. Of course, it's already a busy morning and I haven't had any coffee yet, so perhaps there is something I'm not getting about your post. Would you please elaborate for me?
 
2014-04-09 11:12:46 AM  

doglover: You wanna tell me a .306 round does more or less tissue damage than a naginata?


Nanginata Please
 
2014-04-09 11:13:04 AM  
16 year old... wonder if they'll charge him as an adult.  Attempted murder?  Also, what IS it about the month of April and this kind of knucklehead shiat?
 
2014-04-09 11:13:10 AM  

Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.


Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?
 
2014-04-09 11:13:41 AM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: This thread is gonna be really really fun...

How many deaths would there have been if a gun was used instead of a knife?
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Yep.  And I've gotten to this post so far...

www.reactiongifs.us
 
2014-04-09 11:13:43 AM  
Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.
 
2014-04-09 11:14:01 AM  

nekom: 16 year old... wonder if they'll charge him as an adult.  Attempted murder?  Also, what IS it about the month of April and this kind of knucklehead shiat?


We call it suicide season herein vermont.
 
2014-04-09 11:15:00 AM  

nocturnal001: Hmm, several teenagers have been brutally attack, but I have an agenda where I dislike people associating guns with gun deaths so time to make jokes about how people should rush to ban knives even though this couldn't have anything less to do with that argument.


that you, Meow?
 
2014-04-09 11:15:04 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?

Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics

My point is that people get stabbed in vital organs, too. As a mater of fact, that's exactly what's going on at the hospital right now. I mean, I understand that the knife isn't as useful to you in your gaming environment, but it reality a stab wound can fit all of those things that you think are only related to guns.


You're more than welcome to challenge the next person you see with a knife though, so that you can show that it can never puncture a lung, nick the heart, injure tghe liver or sever an artery, since it's only guns that do that.

So I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  Let me make it all Hellen Keller for you:

THE DATA SAYS THAT THE FATALITY RATE IS NEA ...


I was addressing the other poster's Weeners time, got that shiat crossed up. Now it's like the Gordian Knot trying to figure out how I answered you instead of him.

BTW, all caps wouldn't have worked for Hellen Keller. The least you could have done is posted it in Braille dots so the insult would work.
 
2014-04-09 11:15:20 AM  

The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is


That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies
 
2014-04-09 11:15:38 AM  

Magorn: TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.  I for the record support the absolute right to keep and bear muzzle- loading Flintlocks by all Americans, as I believe most Citizen's attention spans are too damn short to successfully pull off a mass shooting with one of those babies


Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.

Go back to spreading your idiotic tripe this way, and MAYBE you would have an argument.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 11:15:54 AM  

Kome: And...? I do not disagree with anything you've said (I mean, I could quibble with certain qualifiers, like "most" or "tend to be", but that is at best a tangential semantic disagreement and not really substantive), but I fail to see how it acts as a counter to anything I wrote. Of course, it's already a busy morning and I haven't had any coffee yet, so perhaps there is something I'm not getting about your post. Would you please elaborate for me?


What I left unsaid is that because of hunting, fishing, and other sports, long-arms will never be restricted, and sprees of madness will always occur with them. The US isn't like Japan or Britain where they've already exterminated all of the natural predators and pests.
 
2014-04-09 11:16:05 AM  
Ban knives, screwdrivers, any pieces of metal and wood that can be sharpened to a point, pencils and pens, nails, screws, so on and so forth, immediately!!!
Let's start a petition right now and see how far that goes....
 
2014-04-09 11:16:12 AM  
All knives should be replaced with Sporks:

www.proforceequipment.com
 
2014-04-09 11:16:19 AM  
In Pittsburgh, this is known as the Immaculate Dissection.
 
2014-04-09 11:16:33 AM  
Time to ban assault knives.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:01 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Magorn

Well, especially if we get all "Originalist" on the 2nd amendment and not the founding father's CLEARLY meant single shot muzzle-loading firearms since that was all they knew existed.

Nothing to do with knife attacks, but you're misusing the concept of originalism. The intent of the founders was for most male citizens to be armed as a regular soldier. At the time, that was muzzle-loaders, as an army was only supposed to be raised for an exigent purpose.

Context.


They also intended the second amendment to apply only on the federal level. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that it also applied to states.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:18 AM  

tblax: Noah_Tall: This wouldn't happen if our culture didn't glorify knives. The school district needs to institute a zero tolerance for anything knife related. Ban all knives even plastic ones. And if anybody says a knife related word like cut, point, or thrust they immediately need to be expelled.

Don't you guys get tired of making these same jokes all the time?


Don't you get tired of ACTUAL politicians making the same stupid statements in earnest?

Read a damn history book. There's many good reasons the bill of rights was written the way it was that apply in every age of man. The factors leading to violent crimes are almost 100% socioeconomic and are almost always solved when those problems are addressed. Over legislation destroys societies. Every head of "draconian" law? Draconis was a real dude. Guess how well it worked out for him.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:41 AM  
I see it's been covered, but the whole argument that "people would kill with a knife if they didn't have a gun" just went to total shiat.
 
2014-04-09 11:17:42 AM  

ShadowKamui: hat maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies


Wow. Did you use a trampoline for that leap?
 
2014-04-09 11:17:51 AM  

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Guns also make a *really* loud noise, which helps to alert potential victims.
 
2014-04-09 11:18:39 AM  

ferretman: All knives should be replaced with Sporks:

[www.proforceequipment.com image 800x800]


That's an assault sport, its black and has a serrated edge
 
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2014-04-09 11:18:51 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: Yeah, and by your shiatty flawed logic, freedom of speech doesn't extend to such newfangled contraptions as radio, TV, and the Internet.


isn't this what "orginalism" is all about.

Actually... orginalism is like all other current political "principles", and that is it is only applied when it is in their favor.
 
2014-04-09 11:18:58 AM  
It's time to ban all high school students
 
2014-04-09 11:19:12 AM  

ShadowKamui: The Bestest: ShadowKamui: One of the last school shootings had a kill count of 0
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-25738488

not sure what your point is

That maybe you should stop using a bunch of dead and injured kids as props for you little totalitarian fantasies


Well, only if you stop considering dead and inured kids as the price of doing business.
 
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