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2014-04-09 10:45:30 AM
knowing kids these days, the most hurt were the those that weren't stabbed. "Why am I not cool enough to be the victim of an arbitrary random act of violence?  See Mom, I told you no one likes me at this shiatty school"
 
2014-04-09 10:45:33 AM

justanothersumguy: Wonder if he was taking any of those so called "Black Box"  drugs...  Like all the mass killers?


You mean injecting the marijuanas?
 
2014-04-09 10:45:43 AM
Aw man I'm way too late to be the first asshole to make a lame assault knife joke, I might as well just go back to bed
 
2014-04-09 10:45:48 AM

d23: Oh come on. The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


A 16 year old girl shot 10 people,killed 2 in a school shooting in 1979
 
2014-04-09 10:45:49 AM

TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.


And you only need 70% of them right to pass btw.
 
2014-04-09 10:46:44 AM

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


Yes, but let's not pretend that the availability of weapons that are more efficient at inflicting harm upon others aren't a factor in this equation. The desire that some people have to hurt others is a major issue, that we as a society desperately need to seriously address. That doesn't mean that, until that issue is addressed, we shouldn't do anything at all about access to weapons that make it much easier to hurt more people more severely.
 
2014-04-09 10:47:06 AM

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


Because all the retards who think that any sort of gun registration/mental health check = gun grabbing have blown their saved up load of wharbagarble before anything remotely resembling an argument could form.

The bottom line is that this is a sad occurrence, but it would have been alot worse if he had a gun. And if we could get past all the BS, maybe we could figure out a way to keep guns out of the hand of people who would do these type of attacks. So that the headlines would stay 20 injured instead of 20 killed
 
2014-04-09 10:47:25 AM

TwoHead: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

A crazed gunman has to stop to reload but that maniac with a knife never runs out of ammo.  Guns, as our nation's founders intended, are inherently safer by far.


Boom goes the dynamite!
 
2014-04-09 10:47:28 AM

brokendownyota: FnkyTwn:It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!

Show me "right off the rails".  Dude claimed something that was retarded at face value, I pointed that out.  Wanna post something that relates to the reality we live in, then we can discuss, but if you say things that are patently false, it should be clarified to all who read that you haven't got a clue.


I was generalizing more about the guntards in this thread and your post was the first easily accessible one to Reply to, so don't feel completely singled out, however your original post does get pretty derpy pretty fast, but I'd imagine that's why the admin deleted my post because they understood the amount of crying panties it would elicit.


brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.
 
2014-04-09 10:47:37 AM
I'm  surprised that "New Math" doesn't make more kids flip out.
 
2014-04-09 10:48:24 AM

Another Government Employee: Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.


We won't know until we try. Someone write up a bill right meow!
 
2014-04-09 10:48:25 AM
I'm not going to let you damn knife grabbers take away my knives!!!  I just bought the 126 knife set from the home shopping network!!!    For 49.95 plus shipping!  Take that knife grabbers!
 
2014-04-09 10:48:54 AM

TNel: TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.

And you only need 70% of them right to pass btw.


You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. ..

false... no wait, true.. no no wait, false.. mmmm sometimes? Wait wait, safe for who?
 
2014-04-09 10:49:28 AM

TNel: Glitchwerks: Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies. You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff. Just seems stupid. They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead. Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.

I never get that.  All they need is a long branch and then sharpen it.  You are then 6 feet from them instead of being 2 inches.


Hell, why do they never wear armor? EVERYONE wears protection in the modern world for everything all the time. Butchers have chain gloves, cyclists have helmets, welders have masks. You'd think if they ran serious risk of being eaten, they'd all dress like it with durable, bite proof clothing.

The whole idea of a zombie apocalypse is silly. The original night of the living dead was just that: a single night. After that, Fayette County's indigenous hoopies struck back all the way to the Primantti's dahtahn with beer and deer rifles.
 
2014-04-09 10:50:19 AM

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


Plenty of knives are designed specifically to kill people.  Do you know what kind of knife was used in the attack and that it wasn't one of these designs?
 
2014-04-09 10:50:33 AM
Jesus, I hope I just caught that out of context... On the live feed, a woman was sitting at the press conference at the hospital, spelling out edged as "egyud ". I really hope she was just giving a phonetic spelling...

God, these reporters are stupid, also. "How did this happen?" "Well, the student was running down the hall with two knives, slashing at people." "You mean one in each hand?"---Stunned silence---
 
2014-04-09 10:51:07 AM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-09 10:51:26 AM
commando pro and lightweight...or he saved up for maniac juggernaut if you're with the modern ghost crowd...
 
2014-04-09 10:51:31 AM

KhamanV: HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin

So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?

I just like excuses to drink and threads like this one give me plenty of them.  It's a problem and I should probably seek help before I pickle half my internal organs just on this thread alone, but god damn it, patron tequila is so tasty.


I like beer to fuel my alcoholism--rarely if ever touch liquor. But Jesus Christ, Patron is one of the most delicious conconctions ever concocted. Fark those fools who do shots of it--deserves to be sipped.

/sorry about the stabbed people
 
2014-04-09 10:51:55 AM

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


Making a sandwich?
 
2014-04-09 10:52:05 AM
I'm glad it was a knife and not a gun. I'm glad that meant there's only one kid needing surgery and nearly two dozen wounded, instead of a few dead kids and fewer walking away wounded.
 
2014-04-09 10:52:44 AM

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


These people didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_knife_attacks
 
2014-04-09 10:53:05 AM

www.geekologie.com

Now this is an assault knife.

 
2014-04-09 10:53:11 AM
It's been a while since we've had a good, old-fashioned amok trot.
 
2014-04-09 10:53:29 AM

d23: Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


Yeah.  That means less dangerous.
 
2014-04-09 10:53:57 AM

Chris Ween: [www.geekologie.com image 450x450]Now this is an assault knife.


OMG I want that for my collection - that is farking hilarious
 
2014-04-09 10:54:06 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?

Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics


My point is that people get stabbed in vital organs, too. As a mater of fact, that's exactly what's going on at the hospital right now. I mean, I understand that the knife isn't as useful to you in your gaming environment, but it reality a stab wound can fit all of those things that you think are only related to guns.


You're more than welcome to challenge the next person you see with a knife though, so that you can show that it can never puncture a lung, nick the heart, injure tghe liver or sever an artery, since it's only guns that do that.
 
2014-04-09 10:54:21 AM

TNel: If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.


It took me more than a minute, because I didn't believe there wasn't a trick question in there. I'm thinking, no way it's THIS easy.
 
2014-04-09 10:55:38 AM

Johnny Texas: The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.


And the stats from Sandy Hook? From quick research it looks like: 28 shot. 28 dead. Granted, this is an extreme example. How about a more comparable example such as the VA tech shootings: 49 shot, 32 dead.

It can be argued that a single serious knife wound can be as deadly as a single gunshot wound.  I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

So should we ban guns? post armed guards? [insert extreme "solution here"]? No. These cases are extraordinarily rare and are (despite media sensation) NOT becoming more common. The same reasonable precautions taken 20 years ago require no updating.  Although it may feel like "we HAVE to do SOMETHING!", we do not.
 
2014-04-09 10:56:52 AM
Guys we should be more like the UK
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-09 10:56:56 AM
See! Gun control works! Instead of crazed schizophrenics running through schools shooting people, we have crazed schizophrenics running through schools stabbing people! Check and mate gun nuts!
 
2014-04-09 10:57:17 AM

TNel: MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)

If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsid ...


A basic literacy test shouldn't be terribly difficult, either.
 
2014-04-09 10:57:42 AM

Chris Ween: [www.geekologie.com image 450x450]Now this is an assault knife.


"How will I afford to buy that and something for my girlfriend?" said no one.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:08 AM

Chris Ween: Now this is an assault knife.


It's the little skulls for knuckles that really sell it.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:20 AM

Mikey1969: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

And what were knives designed "specifically" for? Killing, gutting and skinning animals. Interesting.


I think you meant 'interdasting'.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:43 AM

Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.


At least you admit it's just a feeling.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:58 AM
I'm not surprised to see the KNIFE NABBERS are in full effect in this thread.  When will you learn that the only thing to stop a bad guy with a cleaver is a good guy with a kirpan?
 
2014-04-09 10:59:35 AM
Is this one of those fabled student/teacher orgies I hear so much about?

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-09 10:59:42 AM

jaybeezey: skwerl: Middle school and high school students will only be dismissed to parents. Parents should report to Heritage Elementary for reunification. All parents will need to sign out students before dismissal. As parents arrive at Heritage Elementary, staff members will escort middle school and high school students to the building for reunification. Any high school student who drove to school will not be permitted to drive home without a parent.

OK, this is retarded. There are probably at least 1500+ students who are responsible enough to get themselves to and from school every day and don't have a parent available to carry them back and forth. So now these idiot administrators are going to disrupt the lives of all these parents whose children were completely uninvolved with the incident and make them leave their jobs to come take their kids home? How about the students with licenses that drove their own cars to school? This makes no sense other than idiot brainless administrators following some whacked 'policy' without any regard for the people whose lives they control.

This is likely because kids being let of school early will often not return home immediately and they don't want a bunch of panicky parents thinking their kid is among the wounded if they are not.


additionally they may not have contact information for all the parents. forcing them to check in lets them make contact with the folks who did have an injured child. not to mention it isn't like the schools know that much about how people get home or where they would even go. they don't want to tell a shiat ton of parents there kid is probably fine but they have no idea where they are now.

this is stupid anyways. if 20 people just got stabbed at your kids school and you think it is a major interuption to go get them and make sure they are ok you are a horrible person. I mean wtf?
 
2014-04-09 10:59:58 AM

Kome: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

Yes, but let's not pretend that the availability of weapons that are more efficient at inflicting harm upon others aren't a factor in this equation. The desire that some people have to hurt others is a major issue, that we as a society desperately need to seriously address. That doesn't mean that, until that issue is addressed, we shouldn't do anything at all about access to weapons that make it much easier to hurt more people more severely.


Here's the problem.

Actions like this are done by impulsive people. Impulsive people who grab the nearest firearms they have access to (typically shotguns or rifles, assault or otherwise) and perpetrate their headline-making spree of madness.
But the real problem is that most of the gun-associated crime is performed with handguns. And those people plan ahead. They tend to be meticulous and prepared as shiat, because handgun violence is associated with the black market economy, not random acts of violence.
 
2014-04-09 11:00:02 AM

ShadowKamui: vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.

These people didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_knife_attacks


There's a difference between a kid with a knife and 8 men with knives, just like there would likely be a significant difference in killcount between a kid with a gun and 8 men with guns.
 
2014-04-09 11:00:40 AM

Rapmaster2000: I'm not surprised to see the KNIFE NABBERS are in full effect in this thread.  When will you learn that the only thing to stop a bad guy with a cleaver is a good guy with a kirpan?


YOU CAN HAVE MY FALX WHEN YOU PRY IT OUT OF MY COLD, DEAD HAND... which is over there because cutting your own hand off is really easy with a falx. It's like a scythe made for arms.
 
2014-04-09 11:01:08 AM
I could make a joke; but I have--

(•_•). ( •_•)>⌐□-□. (⌐□_□)

Class.
 
2014-04-09 11:02:21 AM

Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?

Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics

My point is that people get stabbed in vital organs, too. As a mater of fact, that's exactly what's going on at the hospital right now. I mean, I understand that the knife isn't as useful to you in your gaming environment, but it reality a stab wound can fit all of those things that you think are only related to guns.


You're more than welcome to challenge the next person you see with a knife though, so that you can show that it can never puncture a lung, nick the heart, injure tghe liver or sever an artery, since it's only guns that do that.


So I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  Let me make it all Hellen Keller for you:

THE DATA SAYS THAT THE FATALITY RATE IS NEARLY THE SAME AS BEING SHOT.
 
2014-04-09 11:02:39 AM

doglover: Belias: I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.

At least you admit it's just a feeling.


Knives and guns are both deadly.

Would you not accept as fact though that there is a higher chance of inflicting a fatal wound, both accidentally and intentionally, with a gun than with a knife?
 
2014-04-09 11:02:41 AM

Belias: Johnny Texas: The dude at Fort Hood was a trained soldier and only killed 3 people with 35 shots fired.

And the stats from Sandy Hook? From quick research it looks like: 28 shot. 28 dead. Granted, this is an extreme example. How about a more comparable example such as the VA tech shootings: 49 shot, 32 dead.

It can be argued that a single serious knife wound can be as deadly as a single gunshot wound.  I don't think it can reasonably be argued that a knife is as deadly as a gun.


You're conveniently leaving out rehab time. While guns might kill people, rehabilitation from knife wounds takes a considerable amount of time and effort on the part of the victim, which isn't the case when a gun is used effectively. There's lots of travel time and gas isn't cheap these days (thanks Obama), and then there's all the emotional trauma you get to deal with as a survivor of a knife attack, which is again something you don't have to experience with guns. So in the end it really is a toss-up.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:05 AM
Best Princess Celestia

(•_•). ( •_•)>⌐□-□. (⌐□_□)

That's beautiful. Consider it viked.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:17 AM
Funny how the repeat greenlit thread of this incident now has 230 more posts than the original.

/That, or there were two mass stabbings at this school today
 
2014-04-09 11:03:18 AM
static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-04-09 11:03:32 AM
Well, I have to say that this perp was thinking outside the boxcutters.
 
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