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2014-04-09 10:27:01 AM  
KNIFE FREE ZONES ARE STABBING RANGES!
 
2014-04-09 10:27:37 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


OK you're right, he should have had a gun then.
 
2014-04-09 10:27:42 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%


You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?
 
2014-04-09 10:28:05 AM  
Somebody had better tell Holder. Maybe we need bracelets for knives.
 
2014-04-09 10:28:20 AM  
This is why every principal should be equipped with the proper protection for this type of situation:

www.wonderlandblog.com
 
2014-04-09 10:28:22 AM  

topcon: Violent crime has been dropping since the early 90's.  That includes guns, knives, sporks, and everything else.


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2014-04-09 10:28:50 AM  

ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Interesting argument but you ended with an almost woefully incorrect conclusion requiring a better understanding of anatomy.
The most likely injury you listed is the liver.  It is huge and quite near the surface.
The Artery and lung would be somewhat less likely as the lungs are protected by ribs and the knife angle would have to be considered and most major arteries are deep excluding the neck.
The heart is brobably the most protected and least likely.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:06 AM  

gadian: With 25 stab wounds. Closer to 50 if there are also individually wrapped chocolates in her purse.


Joke all you want. But I offer my comment as a testament to their focus and resolute. I'm paying them a complement.

This kind of blind rage and sloppiness is beneath them
 
2014-04-09 10:29:06 AM  

nekom: Now they're saying 7 victims sent to hospitals and the suspect in custody is a male student.


I really couldn't have pictured a girl doing this.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:09 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


Or a good guy with a gun.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:22 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


I assume by "designed specifically to kill people" you are referring to guns. Which is a stretch.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:46 AM  

Glitchwerks: BravadoGT: Knives require you to get too close.  I rely on a boar spear!

[www.trueswords.com image 500x500]

Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies.  You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff.  Just seems stupid.  They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead.  Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.


Blood runs down pole
hands get covered in blood/gore
Lose grip on weapon
Zombie walks away with spear stuck in them
more zombies surround and eat you
 
2014-04-09 10:29:59 AM  

TNel: AngryDragon: lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.

You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.

Well it is freaking detroit.  If you live in the ghetto you should have a gun for protection.  Does Detroit have a castle law/Stand your ground law?


I think it is more of a "break a deal face the wheel" type arrangement versus actual codified law in Detroit
 
2014-04-09 10:30:49 AM  

Glitchwerks: Actually, I've always wondered why people never make spears in zombie apocalypse movies/television shows/etc.

Spears would be easy to make, and keep you out of arm's reach of zombies. You could use them to push back groups, and you would have less chance of getting yourself covered with blood and other squishy zombie matter when you kill them.

In the Walking Dead they always use knives and stuff. Just seems stupid. They could even use the spears to easily poke those "sleeping" zombies to make sure they're dead. Those are the zombies who always tend to kill off a disposable member of the group, so they seem especially dangerous.


I never get that.  All they need is a long branch and then sharpen it.  You are then 6 feet from them instead of being 2 inches.
 
2014-04-09 10:31:06 AM  

FnkyTwn: brokendownyota: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids


Right, that's why people shot by cops, who are supposedly professionals and thus trained and proficient in firearms manipulation and shot placement, never, EVER survive.

Guns = killmachines.  No wounding shots, ever.  Especially when used by wigged out, untrained, pre-pubescents who's only exposure to pulling the trigger involved clicking a mouse while badmouthing others on the internet.

/pants-on-head retarded statement is retarded
//unless that was a troll
///in which case, well done.

It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!


Actually, I think a lot of the gun crowd,at least me personally, had the point of this....

Guns are not directly the issue, the issue at hand is mental illness. You can ban guns, taking them away from hundreds of thousands of people who use them responsibly every year to stop the 1% (or less) of mentally ill people from using them in a crime, but facts are fact. They are simply going to find another means to commit the crime. It's not going to stop the violence, crazy is crazy and until you solve the main issue, banning things is simply a band-aid.
 
2014-04-09 10:31:36 AM  
No one could find a baseball bat?
 
2014-04-09 10:31:42 AM  
BAN HIGH CAPACITY ASSAULT KNIVES!
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2014-04-09 10:32:28 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


I think everyone is lonely and technology has made us this way. People are meaner to each other and don't care about others. Most people just try to dominate conversations and bring people down a notch.
 
2014-04-09 10:32:34 AM  
FnkyTwn:

It's funny to watch the guntards drive right off the rails when you happen to point out that knives aren't as effective at killing mass amounts of people as guns.

Next Up: Links to News articles from China/Japan about people who have effectively killed lots of people with knives to prove their point that Guns are safe cause FREEEEEEDUMB!


Show me "right off the rails".  Dude claimed something that was retarded at face value, I pointed that out.  Wanna post something that relates to the reality we live in, then we can discuss, but if you say things that are patently false, it should be clarified to all who read that you haven't got a clue.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:18 AM  

stonicus: The problem is clear... SCHOOLS ARE DANGEROUS!!!  Ban schools!!!


Well, yes. That would address the problem of kids snapping after 8 months of being mixed with the same batch of assholes.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:45 AM  
Actually, the one thing nobody is referring to in their statistics of knife deaths vs. gun deaths. What is the percentage of multiple people stabbed with the same knife dying? Whoever this kid was, I'm pretty sure he wasn't throwing the thing in an autoclave in between victims. How many people now have infections and such from blood contamination?
 
2014-04-09 10:34:36 AM  
Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?
 
2014-04-09 10:34:36 AM  
How many fewer people would have been stabbed had there been a good guy with a gub?
 
2014-04-09 10:34:42 AM  

HawgWild: And just where was the good guy with a knife? HUH?!


www.simonprior.com
The outback, most likely.


/mate
 
2014-04-09 10:34:42 AM  
Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.
 
2014-04-09 10:35:18 AM  

Another Government Employee: Looks like all the derp is accounted for.

Every spring a kid goes off, like clockwork.

I wonder if blowjobs for everybody wouldn't fix this.


For kids? WTF man?
 
2014-04-09 10:36:26 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Blood runs down pole
hands get covered in blood/gore
Lose grip on weapon
Zombie walks away with spear stuck in them
more zombies surround and eat you


And how is that any different from a machete, crow bar, hammer that you them use now?
 
2014-04-09 10:36:31 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


And what were knives designed "specifically" for? Killing, gutting and skinning animals. Interesting.
 
2014-04-09 10:36:42 AM  
Also what this shows is that simply banning guns won't prevent these attempted mass killings. The wacko will use whatever weapons they can - knives, bombs, etc.
 
2014-04-09 10:36:48 AM  

TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.


QUIET YOU!
 its easier to be outraged at the intimate objects that to deal with societal ills!

KNIVES!
GUN!
RAP MUSIC!
VIDEO GAMES!
JUSTIN BEIBER!
WHY WON"T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHIIILDREN.
 
2014-04-09 10:37:25 AM  

TNel: AngryDragon: lilplatinum: AngryDragon: 25 times so far in one city this year.

Liar.

You're right, I was wrong.

It was 25 in 2012.  10 so far this year.

Well it is freaking detroit.  If you live in the ghetto you should have a gun for protection.  Does Detroit have a castle law/Stand your ground law?


They are like one of the most restrictive states when it comes to guns.
A quick review of Michigan gun laws shows that law abiding citizens wishing to own a gun for self-protection are strongly regulated and actively discouraged. First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire. Then they have to apply for the Ten Day Handgun Purchase Permit to buy the gun and make sure they find and buy the gun of their choice within 10 days, otherwise they have start the process all over again. When they make their purchase, they have to fill out a Michigan Pistol Sales Record form and make sure the pistol has a valid firearm Safety Inspection Certificate.
Once the citizen has purchased their firearm, they have 10 days to take the gun to the local police department, have the sale recorded, and a new Safety Inspection Certificate issued in their name. Otherwise, they are considered in violation of the law and could be arrested on a misdemeanor gun violation.
Federal laws also require a background check if you purchase a gun from a licensed dealer with a Federal Firearms License.
Note that each and every legal gun buyer in Michigan, and particularly Detroit, must be approved by the local police at least twice each and every time they purchase a gun and undergo a background check by the federal government.


better off with this
www.c22webdesign.com
 
2014-04-09 10:37:27 AM  
They bought their tickets. I say, let 'em crash.
 
2014-04-09 10:38:00 AM  

Mikey1969: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: ikanreed: Johnny Texas: Frozboz: Kid with a knife = 20 kids with serious, but non-life threatening injuries.
Kid with a gun = 20 dead kids

So a kid with a gun suddenly becomes Rambo and only makes kill shots?

You'd be surprised what a weapon designed to maximize lethality does.  Anywhere in the center of mass is "you're almost certain to die if you're not in a hospital in 5 minutes" territory.

Lung filled with blood?  Goodbye.
Nick the heart?  Basically no one has survived this.
Liver?  High risk, toxic internal hemorrhaging.
Any major artery?  You're going to bleed out.

And only the last of those is a high likliehood of happening with a knife.  You have to know that guns are better oriented for killing, so why do you pretend?


Based on 2007 data firearm fatalities were at around 32% which included suicides which alters the number obviously
Penetrating trauma rates? 27%

You don't know how stabby, slashie things work, do you? Nobody has ever gotten stabbed in the abdomen?


Well I am not sure of your point here.  The data shows the relative same mortality rate regardless of the mechanism of injury.  The discussion wasn't body part specific.  My knowledge of "how slashie things work" is irrelevant to the statistics
 
2014-04-09 10:38:06 AM  

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


Because it's too soon to discuss measures that need to be taken. From all of the ("isolated") shootings that have occurred, it's become obvious that after a shooting, it's too soon to talk about what needs to be done until the next shooting, when it's both too late and too soon.
Or, because the same gun-huggers who say it's a mental health issue will move heavens and earth to make sure fewer people have access to have said mental health evaluated.
Or, maybe just because it's pointless to argue with unreasonable people who don't have the maturity to see facts for what they are, and are relying on their prejudices and fears to guide them.
 
2014-04-09 10:38:10 AM  

syrynxx: I'd say something funny but there's nothing funny about 20 people being stabbed.


What if this had happened at a clown college?
 
2014-04-09 10:38:11 AM  

Agatha Crispy: Some kid hurts inside so much he takes a knife to school and stabs 20 people. These 20 people, who were just going to school on a normal spring day, are now being treated for serious knife wounds. But who cares, let's all jerk off about guns.


Challenge accepted.

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2014-04-09 10:38:54 AM  

Cyrusv10: Why are those anti-gun Farkers so silent all the sudden?


It would have been a lot worse had he been using a couple of pistols instead of a knife?  I'm not sure where you're going with this.  You can go with "See!?  Knives are just as dangerous as guns!" but then that leads to our very next move being we stop issuing guns to any enlisted people in the armed forces because hey knives work and are way cheaper.  We would save billions so I guess I'm on board if you'd like to go with that.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:01 AM  

d23: wgb423: The Stealth Hippopotamus

2014-04-09 09:46:27 AM


Did anyone here really think it was a chick?


Yes.  It was literally the first thing I thought of.  Clearly you don't know any chicks that hail from a little US Territory south of Florida.

Oh come on.  The first school mass murder by a female will be something like "18 Students severely wounded by massive oral 'You've got thunderthighs' attack."

Females are more ruthless and a lot more dangerous, but their attacks are psychological, and the mass murder happens over weeks and years, not minutes.


They don't like Mondays either.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:26 AM  

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


Maybe the more pertinent issue is to query why any sort of attack is happening at all, rather than getting into the same pointless argument about guns. Instead of investigating why these sort of mass school attacks seem to happen far more frequently in the US than anywhere else and taking steps to understand then address the root causes, far too many people just want to see how they can turn the situation to their advantage in the never-ending 'GUNS!!!!' screaming match.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:31 AM  

farkette716: TheYeti: It's almost as if there is a deeper societal problem than that of the availability of weapons.

I think everyone is lonely and technology has made us this way. People are meaner to each other and don't care about others. Most people just try to dominate conversations and bring people down a notch.


Could be.  I agree that the isolation and the relative anonymity of the internet might have something to do with it, but I really have no idea.

Something has fundamentally changed in past couple of decades and it scares the shiat out of me.
 
2014-04-09 10:39:40 AM  
Oh, the shark babe...
 
2014-04-09 10:40:32 AM  

vpb: And I'll bet that most (if not all) survive.

It's almost as though you have a better chance of surviving if you aren't attacked with something that is designed specifically to kill people.


He should have watched "Gangs of New York" to learn how to properly use a knife.
 
2014-04-09 10:41:37 AM  
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A knife? Those kids are lucky it wasn't Reese with her spoon.
 
2014-04-09 10:41:43 AM  
MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)
 
If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsider buying a gun.
 
2014-04-09 10:42:16 AM  

kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.


img.fark.net
Aint you never heard of no 21 foot rule?
 
2014-04-09 10:42:19 AM  
1. We need to register and/or ban all knives, especially hunting, military and assault-style knives.

2. Knives kill people. Knives hurt people.

3. In 2011, nearly 1,700 people were stabbed to death in the US and nearly a half-million knife-related injuries are treated in US emergency rooms yearly.

4. Social factors and mental health factors should be ignored in all cases of knife violence.

5. Knives kill and maim our children.

KNIVES!

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Do it for the children.
 
2014-04-09 10:43:35 AM  

KhamanV: HaywoodJablonski: KhamanV: Opens thread.

Sees sadly expected gun wharrgarble masturbation already in full swing, like on every other link to this story elsewhere on the internet.

Observes occasional token mention of addressing mental health issues before using it as a segue back to guns, the real victims here.

Starts drinking before 10AM.

~Fin

So a thread on Fark that devolves into a gun debate drives you to drink? Do you live in Nerfworld?

I just like excuses to drink and threads like this one give me plenty of them.  It's a problem and I should probably seek help before I pickle half my internal organs just on this thread alone, but god damn it, patron tequila is so tasty.


That's true about Patron. They make a "perfect margarita" with everclear base and patron topper at a restaurant near me. One of those and I'm on my ass. And the frozen portion doesn't kill my teeth
 
2014-04-09 10:44:39 AM  

nekom: 6" students stabbed, suspect in custody.


They have 6" students? How did those farkers ever beat us in Football.
 
2014-04-09 10:44:59 AM  

SumJackass07: kronicfeld: I wonder what a comparative study would reveal about the relative fatality rate of a knife-wielding assailant versus a gun-wielding assailant?

Oh, wait, I don't wonder that at all.

[img.fark.net image 442x303]
Aint you never heard of no 21 foot rule?


Nice reference.
 
2014-04-09 10:45:08 AM  

TNel: MassAsster:  First, they have to take and pass the Michigan Basic Pistol Safety questionnaire.

Michigan Basic Pistol Safety Questionnaire
You should treat every pistol as if it were loaded. (True or False)
You should always keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction. (True or False)
You should never put your finger on the trigger until ready to fire at a proper target. (True or False)
When passing or receiving a pistol to or from another person, the action should be open and the pistol visually checked to make sure it is not loaded. (True or False)
It is illegal to sell a pistol to a person under 18 years of age. (True or False)
The law requires a person to report the theft of his or her pistol to police within one year. (True or False)
A person is permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. (True or False)
When storing a pistol, for safety reasons the ammunition should never be stored separately from the pistol. (True or False)
The law requires that when presenting a pistol to police for a safety inspection, the pistol is unloaded and encased or equipped with a trigger locking mechanism. (True or False)
When storing a pistol it should be unloaded and placed in a safe place out of the reach of children. (True or False)
Possession of a pistol while under the influence of alcohol is unlawful. (True or False)
A person can be held criminally and civilly liable for wrongfully pointing or discharging a pistol at another person. (True or False)
The first step to cleaning a pistol is to make sure it is unloaded. (True or False)
Dropping a loaded pistol will never cause an accidental discharge if the safety is on. (True or False)
Bullets fired at flat surfaces will never glance off in an unpredictable direction. (True or False)
 
If it takes you more than a minute to pass that "test" you might want to reconsid ...


LMAO, that is the test ?
Niccccce.....
 
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