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(Talking Points Memo)   McCain: Teddy Roosevelt spoke softly and carried a big stick, you're talking strongly and carrying a twig. Kerry: For fark's sake, at least I'm doing something over here. All you want to do is bomb the crap out of people   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 111
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2014-04-09 08:59:16 AM
They want to say they want to bomb the crap out of people because much of the American pubic (re: idiots) sees military intervention as a panacea, but if they were in power they'd be using the John Kerry strategy.

South Ossetia II:  Russian Boogaloo.
 
2014-04-09 09:02:17 AM

Rapmaster2000: They want to say they want to bomb the crap out of people because much of the American pubic (re: idiots) sees military intervention as a panacea, but if they were in power they'd be using the John Kerry strategy.


I liked the study published yesterday showing there was a direct correlation between an individual's ignorance of Ukraine's geographic location and that individual's belief in the necessity of military intervention.
 
2014-04-09 09:10:43 AM
If teddy Roosevelt is Mccain's hero, when is he gonna call for regulations to limit the power of corporate America and break up monopolies?
 
2014-04-09 09:11:43 AM
Too bad it was a hearing.  Otherwise I'd ignore the old sot.  McCain's entire perspective on things has officially become "get off my lawn."  He's got nothing left.

He always had that tendency.  But whatever good or sane in him has been squandered.  Leaving only crotchety comments hurled from the cheap seats.
 
2014-04-09 09:42:25 AM
Why should anyone bother to debate a senile old man? McCain just wants Russia to get off his lawn.
 
2014-04-09 09:56:16 AM
John McCain, where do I know that name? Wait, is that the guy who figured a flight attendant who won a game show should be his running mate back in 2008?
 
2014-04-09 09:57:52 AM
I still shiver at the thought of where we would be at war McCain was elected POTUS.
 
2014-04-09 10:00:22 AM
The "twig" in this case apparently being the largest military in the history of the world.
 
2014-04-09 10:00:47 AM
First, McCain blasted Kerry for taking what he considers tepid measures against Russia.

Did McCain suggest anything?
 
2014-04-09 10:04:41 AM
Watching this last night, John McCain looks like he's doing a slow-motion performance of that guy in Indiana Jones whose face melts off.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:35 AM
For a guy who has cost Uncle Sam at least 2 fighter-bombers, McCain needs to STFU about going around and bombing people.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:41 AM
it was fun to watch the video of this. there was a notable lack of the decorum they usually try and display.

then again holder and gohmert weren't being polite either.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:39 AM
Eh, McCain just takes up the position of bloodthirsty warmonger because it's usually the exact opposite of what Obama does.  When Obama thinks dropping bombs is a good idea, he pretends he has a problem with that too.
 
2014-04-09 10:10:52 AM

kbronsito: If teddy Roosevelt is Mccain's hero, when is he gonna call for regulations to limit the power of corporate America and break up monopolies?


Didn't McCain-Feingold work toward that end, at least in the campaign finance realm?

On an unrelated note, these two were both Navy officers in Vietnam; how much difference in age is there?  Googling... seven years.  I thought that was about it, LCDR vs. LTJG back when they were in the show.  Of course, a few years in the Hilton probably aged Senator McCain a lot.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:22 AM
Curious:

then again holder and gohmert weren't being polite either.

A lot of these right wing blowhards just say the garbage they say because it resonates with the mouthbreathers back home and IRL they are really calm rational human beings. But on the other hand, observers have commented that Gohmert actually is as much of a retarded sh*tgoblin in real life as he is on C-SPAN.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:51 AM

Rapmaster2000: They want to say they want to bomb the crap out of people because much of the American pubic (re: idiots) sees military intervention as a panacea, but if they were in power they'd be using the John Kerry strategy.

South Ossetia II:  Russian Boogaloo.


I wish I could believe that.
 
2014-04-09 10:15:52 AM
Pfft. McCain couldn't lift a big stick above his head.

/too soon?
 
2014-04-09 10:17:25 AM

TV's Vinnie: But on the other hand, observers have commented that Gohmert actually is as much of a retarded sh*tgoblin in real life as he is on C-SPAN.


He claimed that he was foregoing health insurance because it was too expensive.  I looked it up for his hometown given his age and it was vastly less expensive than his previous claimed plan.  So he's pretty clearly stupid.  Plus there's the small matter of everything else he says in public.
 
2014-04-09 10:18:30 AM
Teddy Rosevelt was a racist petulant man child who felt a need to prove his masculinity.

/Just sayin
 
2014-04-09 10:21:39 AM
We might want to work on the "speak softly" part.  It's gotten a bit rusty.
 
2014-04-09 10:22:52 AM
...because we haven't been using that big f*cking stick enough?

They know that we've got the might to back things up, but that we really don't want to push things too far, we know that they've got the men to make things really difficult to push them out, and their supply lines are damn sight shorter if things get hairy, and are not above commandeering equipment and supplies from locals who they helped outfit for generations.

It might be noted that Teddy was also credited for talking the Russians OUT of war with their neighbors, and kept the US out of any sort of conflict that was brewing, because it was best for all the sides, and for American interests.

If McCain wants to throw his hat in, and travel to Russia, and look deep into Putin's eyes and see his soul, then maybe he needs to book a trip, or let the folks on the ground on this do their damn jobs, and stop trying to make points at home...
 
2014-04-09 10:23:05 AM
Does Kerry mean like randomly ( or claiming "intelligence") drone bombing people?
 
2014-04-09 10:23:32 AM

Skyrmion: Rapmaster2000: They want to say they want to bomb the crap out of people because much of the American pubic (re: idiots) sees military intervention as a panacea, but if they were in power they'd be using the John Kerry strategy.

South Ossetia II:  Russian Boogaloo.

I wish I could believe that.


They already did that in 2008.  Going Hawkish would have worked out well for the Republicans in the election and they still didn't use it.  Hawkism always works well in the short-term.
 
2014-04-09 10:24:12 AM

CanisNoir: Teddy Rosevelt was a racist petulant man child who felt a need to prove his masculinity.

/Just sayin


He also did more to advance the US than any other American president in that era.
 
2014-04-09 10:25:26 AM

cameroncrazy1984: CanisNoir: Teddy Rosevelt was a racist petulant man child who felt a need to prove his masculinity.

/Just sayin

He also did more to advance the US than any other American president in that era.


Yeah, but he was totally compensating with that moustache.
 
2014-04-09 10:27:13 AM
If Teddy were in charge, a lot of things would be different.  Like he would bust up cable monopolies, give us more government conservation land, etc.....
 
2014-04-09 10:27:58 AM

CanisNoir: Teddy Rosevelt was a racist petulant man child who felt a need to prove his masculinity.

/Just sayin


While I wouldn't say it so brashly, there is truth to your statement. TR was a fan of the belief of Aryan superiority, as was not uncommon at the time of his presidency, and he believed Asians to be almost as good as whites, and could therefore be worked with (on) in foreign policy. Near the end of his term he and Taft went on a tour of several countries in Asia, with TR's daughter, the Paris Hilton of her time, keeping the reporters busy. Meanwhile, TR and Taft attempted closed-door negotiations with Japan, all but promising that as soon as Japan wants to take Korea over, the US of A would have its back. Fast forward a bit, Japan goes for Korea, and we were nowhere to be found. How did Japan take it?

www.history.navy.mil

Eh, not too well. Now you know...


/read "The Imperial Cruise" if you're interested. Very eye-opening and insightful, though some of the author's claims have been questioned.
 
2014-04-09 10:28:43 AM
Oh and Teddy did all the same showing off that Putin did, but better.
 
2014-04-09 10:29:51 AM
We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?
 
2014-04-09 10:31:49 AM
If McCain is unhappy with the current President, perhaps he shouldn't have lost to him in the largest non-incumbent landslide in U.S. history.
 
2014-04-09 10:34:29 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-09 10:34:38 AM

Bartman66: Does Kerry mean like randomly ( or claiming "intelligence") drone bombing people?


Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer post.
 
2014-04-09 10:36:40 AM

Cheron: We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?


Of course not.

We learned from Desert Storm that a Big War is a Money-Making War.  A short excursion into a hostile territory where the opposing force packs up and runs away just isn't going to make anyone any richer.  Sure, maybe you can sell some shirts with a good slogan on it and they become retro twenty years later but if were going to do what is intended then we need a good long protracted conflict.

The best part of this really for McCain is that they'd already put so much hard work into the Cold War that they get to go and dust off all that material and it's ready to go.
 
2014-04-09 10:37:26 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Watching this last night, John McCain looks like he's doing a slow-motion performance of that guy in Indiana Jones whose face melts off.




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2014-04-09 10:41:44 AM

Cheron: We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?


We'd be welcomed as liberators and the all the oil/gas deposits in Crimea would make it pay for itself.
 
2014-04-09 10:44:16 AM

hubiestubert: ...because we haven't been using that big f*cking stick enough?



Obviously, a defense budget that's larger than the next 8 nations combined isn't a big enough dick for the GOP.
 
2014-04-09 10:47:18 AM
Technically, bombing a country is "doing something".
 
2014-04-09 10:47:27 AM

Without Fail: Bartman66: Does Kerry mean like randomly ( or claiming "intelligence") drone bombing people?

Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer post.



I remember when we needlessly spent 1Trillion dollars and ended 4000 American lives rather than being pussies by drone bombing people. Ah, the good ole days.
 
2014-04-09 10:49:40 AM

wingnut396: Cheron: We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?

We'd be welcomed as liberators and the all the oil/gas deposits in Crimea would make it pay for itself.



An invasion would last 6 days, 6 weeks, I doubt six months.
 
2014-04-09 10:50:46 AM

God's Hubris: wingnut396: Cheron: We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?

We'd be welcomed as liberators and the all the oil/gas deposits in Crimea would make it pay for itself.


An invasion would last 6 days, 6 weeks, I doubt six months.


Russia is in its last throes.
 
2014-04-09 10:54:03 AM
It just occurred to me, congress has the power to declare war.  Johnny boy if you are truly serious declare war.
 
2014-04-09 10:54:29 AM
This old fart needs to be put out to pasture...
 
2014-04-09 10:56:16 AM

EyeballKid: God's Hubris: wingnut396: Cheron: We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?

We'd be welcomed as liberators and the all the oil/gas deposits in Crimea would make it pay for itself.


An invasion would last 6 days, 6 weeks, I doubt six months.

Russia is in its last throes.



We're turning the corner!
 
2014-04-09 10:56:24 AM

Skarekrough: We learned from Desert Storm that a Big War is a Money-Making War.  A short excursion into a hostile territory where the opposing force packs up and runs away just isn't going to make anyone any richer.  Sure, maybe you can sell some shirts with a good slogan on it and they become retro twenty years later but if were going to do what is intended then we need a good long protracted conflict.


I remember arguing with idiots on Fark 10 years ago about this.. 'How does spending all that money in Iraq make money?'  'Duh, you spend billions of other people's money to make millions for yourselves.'
 
2014-04-09 10:59:59 AM

Cheron: We spent the last 13 years chasing after fanatics in Toyota pickups and had a hard time of keeping it small. (no carpet bombing no flattening cities)  Now they want to go up against a large army with logistical advantages.  Is there some scenario where this doesn't get out of hand fast?


If we really wanted to get into a shooting war with Russia, we'd wipe them off the map.  Their army is much stronger on paper than it is in reality.

But nobody (well, beyond McCain maybe) wants to get into a shooting war with Russia, because even though we'd win rather easily, lots and lots of people (on both sides) would die.  Plus there's always the possibility that it could go nuclear, and then nobody wins.

The same goes for Iran, except without nuclear armageddon (although Iran could possibly chuck a couple nukes Israel's way).
 
2014-04-09 11:01:43 AM
So McCain is saying the American military is a "twig"?
 
2014-04-09 11:04:50 AM

The Mavrick: If McCain is unhappy with the current President, perhaps he shouldn't have lost to him in the largest non-incumbent landslide in U.S. history.


Um...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-09 11:06:44 AM
lol obama has an awesome crimean strategy, he's letting russia republican itself to death.
 
2014-04-09 11:09:26 AM

Geotpf: The Mavrick: If McCain is unhappy with the current President, perhaps he shouldn't have lost to him in the largest non-incumbent landslide in U.S. history.

Um...

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Well . . . maybe I'll just shut my ignorant mouth then.
 
2014-04-09 11:11:22 AM
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