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2014-04-09 08:03:00 AM
FTFA: According to the Washington Post, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is building a huge computer database that will let it predict women's marital status.

That way they can "pinpoint unmarried women as the target of specific....


I need to acquire this technology.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 08:06:57 AM
IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.

Where do long term cohabiting, but still living in sin, women fall?
 
2014-04-09 08:16:48 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA: According to the Washington Post, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is building a huge computer database that will let it predict women's marital status.

That way they can "pinpoint unmarried women as the target of specific....

I need to acquire this technology.


As long as they can specify whether they're Unmarried without children, because who wants to deal with someone else's tag along?
 
2014-04-09 08:24:15 AM

ZAZ: Where do long term cohabiting, but still living in sin, women fall?


With or without kids?
 
2014-04-09 08:29:56 AM
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My god, it finally collapsed in on itself.
 
2014-04-09 08:31:04 AM
Can't read tfa due to 'unsupported form of compression' errors, otherwise I'd check there to see if this question's answered -- since marital status correlates positively a little bit with age (I think), and since we already know that age correlates somewhat with support of Repubs vs. Dems, should age be what they're really interested in looking at?
 
2014-04-09 08:31:16 AM
The comments on that site are precious.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 08:55:32 AM
Yes tailoring your message to the target audience = problem with married women.  Makes total sense.
 
2014-04-09 09:01:17 AM
For those of you with compression issues


  IBD Editorials

The Democrats Have a Marriage Problem

Posted 04/08/2014 06:38 PM ET

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Politics: This fall, Democrats will no doubt resurrect the "war on women" theme to try to hold the Senate. But they don't really care about all women, just the unmarried ones. The IBD/TIPP poll shows why.
According to the Washington Post, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is building a huge computer database that will let it predict women's marital status.
That way they can "pinpoint unmarried women as the target of specific, poll-test messages," according to one source quoted in the story.
Despite all the talk among Democrats and the media about the "gender gap" that has supposedly resulted from what they say are Republicans' anti-women policies, the real gap is between married and single women.
IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.
Single women are more content with the current state of affairs, more approving of Obama and far more likely to support his big-government policies.
Some examples:
• Direction of the country. While 57% of single women are satisfied with the direction of the country, just 32% of married women are. When asked about morals and ethics, the results are very much the same. And on each of these questions, the view of single women tracks those of self-identified liberals.
• Economy. Single women are far more upbeat about the economy as well. More than half (51%) think the economy is improving, and 50% don't think the country is in a recession right now. Among married women, those results are 39% and 41%, respectively. These answers, too, track the liberal/conservative split. (Oddly, single women are also far more likely to say that someone in their household is unemployed - 27% vs. 17%.)
• Obama. More than half of single women (55%) approve of the job President Obama is doing, compared with just 31% of married women. (His overall approval rate is 40%.) There are similar divides when it comes to grading Obama's leadership and his handling of the economy, the budget and job creation.
• ObamaCare. Fully 58% of married women think ObamaCare is a bad product, compared with just 39% of those who are unmarried, and 60% of married women want the law repealed, a figure that's far above the overall national average and twice as high as for single women.
• Minimum wage. When told about the Congressional Budget Office finding that raising the minimum wage to $10.10 could cost half a million jobs, support plunges to 38% among married women but holds strong at 60% among single women.
• Taxes. Single women are more supportive of tax hikes on the wealthy. Nearly two thirds, for example, agreed with Obama that the Bush tax cuts on those making more than $250,000 shouldn't be extended. Less than half of married women did. And while 60% of married women thought Obama would raise their income taxes, only 39% of single women did.
• Big government. Married women are also far more skeptical of big government - 73%, for example, say it's not the government's role to redistribute wealth, compared with just over half of single women.
However, women generally do agree on one thing that could spell trouble for Republicans in 2016.
When asked about Hillary Clinton, both camps overwhelmingly have a favorable opinion of her; they think she is trustworthy and has enough experience to be president. Both camps also say that "(a) woman president is long overdue."
Obama clearly understands this marriage gap - single women voted overwhelmingly for him in 2012, while married women favored Romney.
Which is no doubt why his administration has been fixated on issues like free contraception, pay equity and the minimum wage, all of which have little relevance to families who are more interested in job opportunities, economic growth and taxes.
But no matter how much Democrats try to distract single women with their micro-targeted "war on women" messaging, the real harm being done to all women, single or otherwise, is the lousy economy, the stagnant job market and the declining family incomes that Obama's big-government policies have produced.
The sooner single women come to understand this, the better everyone will be.


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2014-04-09 09:20:23 AM

vpb: Yes tailoring your message to the target audience = problem with married women.  Makes total sense.


Seriously.  Do they really want to tug at that thread?  Apply their logic to Republicans.  The list of people they have problems (while already evident) would endless.
 
2014-04-09 09:20:30 AM

kimwim: For those of you with compression issues


  IBD Editorials

The Democrats Have a Marriage Problem

Posted 04/08/2014 06:38 PM ET

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Politics: This fall, Democrats will no doubt resurrect the "war on women" theme to try to hold the Senate. But they don't really care about all women, just the unmarried ones. The IBD/TIPP poll shows why.
According to the Washington Post, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is building a huge computer database that will let it predict women's marital status.
That way they can "pinpoint unmarried women as the target of specific, poll-test messages," according to one source quoted in the story.
Despite all the talk among Democrats and the media about the "gender gap" that has supposedly resulted from what they say are Republicans' anti-women policies, the real gap is between married and single women.
IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.
Single women are more content with the current state of affairs, more approving of Obama and far more likely to support his big-government policies.
Some examples:
• Direction of the country. While 57% of single women are satisfied with the direction of the country, just 32% of married women are. When asked about morals and ethics, the results are very much the same. And on each of these questions, the view of single women tracks those of self-identified liberals.
• Economy. Single women are far more upbeat about the economy as well. More than half (51%) think the economy is improving, and 50% don't think the country is in a recession right now. Among married women, those results are 39% and 41%, ...


That certainly explains the sudden push across the board with multiple articles on how terrible Democrats are with women, and how they're meanies and don't really love the girlfolks...

Doesn't make the record any better on the other side, but hey, it's a new talking point to try to hammer away with, and distract folks from other policy failings.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:58 AM

Diogenes: vpb: Yes tailoring your message to the target audience = problem with married women.  Makes total sense.

Seriously.  Do they really want to tug at that thread?  Apply their logic to Republicans.  The list of people they have problems (while already evident) would endless.


Social Conservatives are usually typified by their radicalism as well as not really liking huge swaths of the population. It's sort of like government efficiency, Creation science, reality shows, and the Patriot Act...
 
2014-04-09 09:49:04 AM
What's the republicans problem with just about everybody?
 
2014-04-09 09:49:12 AM

ZAZ: IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.

Where do long term cohabiting, but still living in sin, women fall?


That's probably a component of the discrepancy (social liberalism leading them to wait on marriage), along with the relative ages (I'm assuming unmarried women often tend to be younger).  The article also makes a really basic fallacy:  Even if the left does better with single women than married women, that's not the same thing as saying the left does badly with married women.
 
2014-04-09 09:49:57 AM
It would be more interesting to see this adjusted for age.
 
2014-04-09 09:52:57 AM
Married women are considerably whiter, richer, and older than unmarried women. Which is only a "problem" for Democrats in the sense that they don't curbstomp Republicans in that demographic.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:12 AM
The liberals want government to be the head of the family and finally managed to accomplish that with the blacks.

Anybody who wants to end up like them should support their policies.
 
2014-04-09 09:57:17 AM

Skyrmion: It would be more interesting to see this adjusted for age.


I'm betting that if you broke out party affiliation v. marital status you'd see similar breaks.  "Obamacare is terrible because it says so on my Ted Cruz bumper sticker."
 
2014-04-09 09:58:23 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Married women are considerably whiter, richer, and older than unmarried women. Which is only a "problem" for Democrats in the sense that they don't curbstomp Republicans in that demographic.


What is the Democrats' problem with old, rich white women?
 
2014-04-09 09:59:50 AM
Could it be that married women skew older, and older women skew teabagger?

No, it's gotta be some kind of Uncle Sugar thing.
 
2014-04-09 10:00:06 AM
All women are unmarried at some point.
 
2014-04-09 10:01:41 AM

cchris_39: The liberals want government to be the head of the family and finally managed to accomplish that with the blacks.

Anybody who wants to end up like them should support their policies.


Dafuq?! You're insane. This is simply a counter argument to the Democrats hue and cry of "war on wimins!!"

Basically showing that to be a fallacy.
 
2014-04-09 10:03:16 AM

vernonFL: TofuTheAlmighty: Married women are considerably whiter, richer, and older than unmarried women. Which is only a "problem" for Democrats in the sense that they don't curbstomp Republicans in that demographic.

What is the Democrats' problem with old, rich white women?


They are less numerous than non old rich white women and are going to die soon enough - not exactly a demographic to build the future.
 
2014-04-09 10:04:07 AM

Last Man on Earth: ZAZ: IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.

Where do long term cohabiting, but still living in sin, women fall?

That's probably a component of the discrepancy (social liberalism leading them to wait on marriage), along with the relative ages (I'm assuming unmarried women often tend to be younger).  The article also makes a really basic fallacy:  Even if the left does better with single women than married women, that's not the same thing as saying the left does badly with married women.


There's that, and the fact that it's an IBD/TIPP poll. Their results seemed dubious to me, so to the Googles I went. Apparently, they have a history of being full of shiat, at least according to Nate Silver.
 
2014-04-09 10:05:33 AM

Wendy's Chili: Could it be that married women skew older, and older women skew teabagger?

No, it's gotta be some kind of Uncle Sugar thing.


That, and it's a snail mail survey.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:57 AM

vernonFL: TofuTheAlmighty: Married women are considerably whiter, richer, and older than unmarried women. Which is only a "problem" for Democrats in the sense that they don't curbstomp Republicans in that demographic.

What is the Democrats' problem with old, rich white women?


Hey man, not all of us like Hillary, OK?
 
2014-04-09 10:17:50 AM
so... did they control for age? Because that seems like a huge flaw if they didn't...
 
2014-04-09 10:21:28 AM
"the blacks"?

Oh, republicans.
 
2014-04-09 10:25:20 AM

cchris_39: The liberals want government to be the head of the family and finally managed to accomplish that with the blacks.

Anybody who wants to end up like them should support their policies.


i.kinja-img.com

 
2014-04-09 10:26:31 AM
Is anyone really surprised that (presumably only straight) married women skew more conservative? The nuclear family is the stated ideal for many conservative and religious groups.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-09 10:27:12 AM
raanne: so... did they control for age? Because that seems like a huge flaw if they didn't...

It's a flaw if they are trying to prove that marriage makes a woman conservative. It's not a flaw if they are trying to prove that married women are conservative.
 
2014-04-09 10:27:33 AM
I see the co-called "Investor's Business Daily" has completed its transformation from pump-and-dump payola to the 538 of derp...
 
2014-04-09 10:29:33 AM

raanne: so... did they control for age? Because that seems like a huge flaw if they didn't...


I'm rather curious about their methodology myself, especially the questions - were they done objectively, or leading-question style? 60% of women of any demographic wanting to see the Affordable Healthcare Act is extremely unlikely, while 60% of the people at the Early Bird Special at Golden Corral in Birmingham, AL wanting anything and everything with the name "Obama" attached to it repealed is not out of the question.
 
2014-04-09 10:32:20 AM

ZAZ: raanne: so... did they control for age? Because that seems like a huge flaw if they didn't...

It's a flaw if they are trying to prove that marriage makes a woman conservative. It's not a flaw if they are trying to prove that married women are conservative.


Correlation vs. causation - does thinking like a conservative mean a woman is more likely to want to get married, and thinking like a liberal mean she is more likely to wish to stay single? Or, as many Republicans seem to suggest, does getting married alter a woman's world view?
 
2014-04-09 10:32:41 AM

ox45tallboy: raanne: so... did they control for age? Because that seems like a huge flaw if they didn't...

I'm rather curious about their methodology myself, especially the questions - were they done objectively, or leading-question style? 60% of women of any demographic wanting to see the Affordable Healthcare Act is extremely unlikely, while 60% of the people at the Early Bird Special at Golden Corral in Birmingham, AL wanting anything and everything with the name "Obama" attached to it repealed is not out of the question.


From what I know, IDB/TIPP polls are done via snail mail. They also predicted that McCain would win in 2008. They've also released poll results before all the surveys are tallied up. So yeah, not really the most reliable poll.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:52 AM

cchris_39: The liberals want government to be the head of the family and finally managed to accomplish that with the blacks.

Anybody who wants to end up like them should support their policies.

www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2014-04-09 10:35:20 AM
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2014-04-09 10:36:34 AM
The Democratic party is a big friend to married women who use birth control or who need health care below the waist.  Which is, you know, like, almost all of them.
 
2014-04-09 10:38:04 AM

LectertheChef: Last Man on Earth: ZAZ: IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.

Where do long term cohabiting, but still living in sin, women fall?

That's probably a component of the discrepancy (social liberalism leading them to wait on marriage), along with the relative ages (I'm assuming unmarried women often tend to be younger).  The article also makes a really basic fallacy:  Even if the left does better with single women than married women, that's not the same thing as saying the left does badly with married women.

There's that, and the fact that it's an IBD/TIPP poll. Their results seemed dubious to me, so to the Googles I went. Apparently, they have a history of being full of shiat, at least according to Nate Silver.


Oh, immensely.  They almost make CATO and Heritage Foundation look reliable by comparison.  That's certainly a factor.  Just for the benefit of the doubt, though, I just figured I'd throw out a couple things that would explain the findings.
 
2014-04-09 10:40:57 AM

LectertheChef: From what I know, IDB/TIPP polls are done via snail mail. They also predicted that McCain would win in 2008. They've also released poll results before all the surveys are tallied up. So yeah, not really the most reliable poll.


Could be worse... they could be done via FW: FW: Fwd: FW: email....
 
2014-04-09 10:41:19 AM

cchris_39: The liberals want government to be the head of the family and finally managed to accomplish that with the blacks.

Anybody who wants to end up like them should support their policies.


lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-04-09 10:43:48 AM

Last Man on Earth: LectertheChef: Last Man on Earth: ZAZ: IBD/TIPP's monthly survey finds that, on issue after issue, single women are more liberal than their married counterparts - often by wide margins.

Where do long term cohabiting, but still living in sin, women fall?

That's probably a component of the discrepancy (social liberalism leading them to wait on marriage), along with the relative ages (I'm assuming unmarried women often tend to be younger).  The article also makes a really basic fallacy:  Even if the left does better with single women than married women, that's not the same thing as saying the left does badly with married women.

There's that, and the fact that it's an IBD/TIPP poll. Their results seemed dubious to me, so to the Googles I went. Apparently, they have a history of being full of shiat, at least according to Nate Silver.

Oh, immensely.  They almost make CATO and Heritage Foundation look reliable by comparison.  That's certainly a factor.  Just for the benefit of the doubt, though, I just figured I'd throw out a couple things that would explain the findings.


I'm just trying to envision single women that actually open. read, fill out, and mail back these surveys. I'm thinking the lack of control for ownership of double-digit numbers of cats might be a factor.
 
2014-04-09 10:46:21 AM

cchris_39: The liberals want government to be the head of the family and finally managed to accomplish that with the blacks.

Anybody who wants to end up like them should support their policies.


This is what conservatives actually believe.
 
2014-04-09 10:46:24 AM
3 greens this morning about how libs are the real sexists? Somebody woke up with a burr up their ass today.
 
2014-04-09 10:47:41 AM

ox45tallboy: Correlation vs. causation - does thinking like a conservative mean a woman is more likely to want to get married, and thinking like a liberal mean she is more likely to wish to stay single? Or, as many Republicans seem to suggest, does getting married alter a woman's world view?


I think its more that you are more likely to be married when you are older, and you are also more likely to be from an earlier generation that is more conservative. There are a lot more 55 year olds in the married column than the single column.

That said, I'm married, I have friends who are single - our ideologies are pretty much in sync because we are the same age. My ideologies are not in sync with people 30 years older than me (usually) and possibly not in sync with people who are just graduating HS or in college (more along the fiscal aspects, not so much the social aspects).
 
2014-04-09 10:50:51 AM
*sigh* The sad thing is this will work with the GOP base... As evidence by the moronic comment made in this thread.
 
2014-04-09 10:52:35 AM
I'm liberal and I'm very happily married...because I'm not too inhibited or sheltered to do all the fun stuff to keep the guy interested.
 
2014-04-09 10:53:00 AM
What is the Democrats' problem with married women America's Little Dumplins?
 
2014-04-09 10:54:11 AM
Which is no doubt why his administration has been fixated on issues like free contraception, pay equity and the minimum wage, all of which have little relevance to families who are more interested in job opportunities, economic growth and taxes. But no matter how much Democrats try to distract single women with their micro-targeted "war on women" messaging, the real harm being done to all women, single or otherwise, is the lousy economy, the stagnant job market and the declining family incomes that Obama's big-government policies have produced. The sooner single women come to understand this, the better everyone will be.

Ooh, I just...ooh.  First of all, contraception and pay equity are in fact relevant to married women (and men!) too.  And that last line...you run with that, Republicans.  There's nothing we like better than mansplaining.
 
2014-04-09 11:01:10 AM
Despite all the talk among Democrats and the media about the "gender gap" that has supposedly resulted from what they say are Republicans' anti-women policies, the real gap is between married and single women.

That must be why 60% of women vote Democratic: because there is no gender gap, only a gap between single and married women.
 
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